“Unusual”: U.S. ambassador confronts Iranian officials over terror plot

posted at 7:52 pm on October 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Obama acknowledged at today’s presser that the U.S. had contacted Iran about the plot but State was coy later when asked about the who and how. According to CBS, though, it was Susan Rice who met with the Iranians at their mission to the UN. Offhand, I can’t remember the last time a U.S. diplomat ranked that high had a face-to-face with officials from Iran. Sounds like the conversation wasn’t pleasant:

In a reflection of U.S. concern about the incident and its implications, Mr. Obama took the unusual step of authorizing U.S. diplomats to deliver a tough message directly to Iranian representatives. The U.S. doesn’t have formal diplomatic ties with Iran.

“The message said this type of action is outrageous and a clear violation of international law, that the Iranian government has an obligation to hold any individuals associated with this plot accountable, to cease its support for terrorism and to meet its obligations to the international community,” a senior administration official said.

That’s good optics for the White House but I wonder how much of this meeting was “we know you did it” versus “no, seriously, did you do it?” U.S. intel theorizes that no plot to attack America could have happened without Khamenei’s approval, so this must go straight to the top. The only alternative is that some faction within the Quds Force has gone rogue and is now independently ordering operations that could have enormous consequences for the country. (If you doubt Obama’s willingness to impose those consequences, remember that the Saudis are involved here too.) That’s not totally unthinkable — Pakistan’s ISI has the same problem — but Khamenei’s ability to flush out and discipline rogue operators within his security ranks is much greater than Kayani’s in Pakistan, I suspect. If the “rogue” theory is true and responsibility for this plot goes all the way up the chain within the IRGC, then we’re either on the verge of a military coup in Iran or the plotters are about to be quietly disappeared by Iranian agents for defying the supreme leader’s authority.

Obama might task Rice with raising the issue before the Security Council and demanding new sanctions on some Iranian institution to be named later. Iran’s central bank is a prime target but, per the Journal, that could wreak havoc on international oil markets. The money question right now isn’t what we’ll do, though, it’s what Iran might still be planning to do. Apparently the Senate got a mighty ominous briefing yesterday:

Emerging from the nearly two-hour briefing , Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif, speculated that, “There may be a chain of these things. … It’s hard for me to believe that there is just one plot involving the United States. I think we need to explore whether there are other plots going on … in other countries.”…

“This is a very unusual thing,” she said. “And because it’s unusual, because it’s Quds force, because it’s Revolutionary Guard, two agencies very high in the hierarchy in the Iranian government, you’ve got to think if they’re going after a Saudi ambassador here, what about a Saudi ambassador there or an Israeli ambassador there, or an American ambassador. So I think we should all be alert to that. But I am not saying there is a broader plot.”

I can’t tell if she’s just spitballing there or alluding to hard intel they got at the briefing, but if this really is just part of some massive “five families” operation where Iran hits a bunch of its enemies at once, something very strange must be going on inside the regime. Both David Ignatius and Martin Indyk reason that an act this desperate is evidence of just how weak and stressed Iran’s terror infrastructure is by all the upheaval in the region, but in that case, I’d expect them to tone things down for awhile so that they could focus on suppressing internal dissent, not come after the United States and Saudi Arabia not knowing what sort of destabilization mechanisms we might unleash in response. Yeah, yeah, I know: They’re a wounded animal and wounded animals tend to lash out. That logic badly underestimates their strategic cunning, though. And like I said yesterday, if they’re hell bent on starting a war with the U.S. or Saudi Arabia, there’s no need to go as far afield as they did. There are things they could do to American troops next door in Iraq or Afghanistan to provoke. I still don’t see the logic of any of this.


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Oh? Is there an election coming up?

davidk on October 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Was there a bow involved before the meeting?

alohapundit on October 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

There is something that isn’t right with this whole thing – it smells funny from our end.

gophergirl on October 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

if they’re hell bent on starting a war with the U.S. or Saudi Arabia, there’s no need to go as far afield as they did. There are plenty of things they could do to American troops next door in Iraq or Afghanistan to provoke. I still don’t see the logic of any of this.

Havent the Iranians, through there support of the “resistance” in Iraq and Afghanistan been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Americans. What else do we need?

joepub on October 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM

it smells funny from our end.

gophergirl on October 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Please, do not make it so easy.

davidk on October 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM

There is something that isn’t right with this whole thing – it smells funny from our end.

gophergirl on October 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

It smells funny from every end. It’s the most ridiculous story I’ve ever heard. Every single person to whom I’ve explained the details simply bursts out laughing. Offering such a pittance to mexican drug cartels to murder a saudi ambassador?! Is this a new Naked Gun script we’re reading??

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM

I don’t believe this anymore.

What Obama and crowd are doing is too out of character with how they have behaved in the past, and being talked up too much for me to buy this. The events may have actually happened, but I suspect their interpretation is being ‘massaged’.

Anyone got a spare tinfoil hat I can borrow?

sharrukin on October 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Beck had an interesting take on this on his tv show. Basically said goal of the gov/regime was revolution so they could usher in the mahdi

offroadaz on October 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM

PBHO is taking this very seriously though, just as seriously as Gunwalker.

Bishop on October 13, 2011 at 8:03 PM

The cartel thing simply boggles the mind.

No way does the Quds Force go that route.

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 8:05 PM

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Welcome back, Ernie!

How’re things goin’ down at the Stinkfest?

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM

………… Anyone seen Bill Ayers?

ThePrez on October 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM

The cartel thing simply boggles the mind.

No way does the Quds Force go that route.

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Not only that, but the money they offered?! The cartels wipe their @ss with that kind of cash. It’s a joke, this whole thing is a f*cking joke.

As for the stinkfest, the real true believers are gearing up for a showdown tomorrow. I went there, said my piece about public higher ed tuition and whatnot, got bombarded with lots of wacky slogans, and left – it mirrored my experience at the NY tea party almost exactly.

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Obama is looking for another war.

These are very grave times. Very. 13 months and will we make it? 2 more after that until the GOP is sworn in.

We’ve got Democrats calling on Obama to suspend elections, suspend congress and declare himself a dictator. Obama himself has repeatedly publicly verbalized his desire to become a dictator. Serious scandals are beginning to bubble into the mainstream media. The clock is ticking and the sands are draining from the hourglass of his time on office… he is not going to be re-elected. And when he goes, so goes all the Democrat/Marxist dreams! All they have achieved these past 4 years and more may be lost.
Does anyone really seriously think he is not going to try whatever he thinks he can get away with to stay in office? Who would oppose him? John Boehner? Ha!

I’ve said it before, I hope Nov. 2012 is not a bridge too far.

JellyToast on October 13, 2011 at 8:14 PM

– it mirrored my experience at the NY tea party almost exactly.

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM

You almost had me ’till that last line, ernie.

listens2glenn on October 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Got any good pics/video?

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Is there a link between this and Iran wanting to send warships into US waters? Did they get a heads up that this was going to be news in the US and had to flex their muscles? I have yet to hear if the two may be connected.

mcptek on October 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Yeah, yeah, I know: They’re a wounded animal and wounded animals tend to lash out.

Well, if they try anything naval, I can tell you with absolute certainty we are ready and have been for years.

JeffWeimer on October 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM

There are things they could do to American troops next door in Iraq or Afghanistan to provoke.

You mean like killing them and providing shaped charge IEDs?

Yeah, we totally dealt with them when they were doing that. Hell, the candidate for President in 2008 said he’d sit down for direct talks with Dinnerjacket, no conditions, when he was sworn in.

Bleh.

Nuke ‘em from orbit.

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Wag. The. Dog.

BKeyser on October 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM

You almost had me ’till that last line, ernie.

listens2glenn on October 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Why, it was a similar experience. Hell, the march I attended began at the exact spot where the tea party was held. There was lots of wacky, incoherent sloganeering going on at both events. There were pretty girls at both events. There were angry people at both events. They were similar experiences, how can you tell me otherwise?

Got any good pics/video?

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Not really. I started taking video of that big union march last week, but someone came up and asking if i was marching or making a movie. I said both, and kept going, but after a while I decided to just put the phone back in the pocket.

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM

I still don’t see the logic of any of this.

Me either. That the Iranians are just stupid would help explain some of this. But they’re not stupid.

And then there’s the DEA involvement in this with one of their paid informants. A paid DEA informant – that sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

It just doesn’t pass the smell test.

SlaveDog on October 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

The big problem with attempting to follow the logic driving this plot is either (a) there is no logic as we understand it and the Iranians are simply acting out a doomsday fantasy in accordance with their beliefs–beliefs to which Ahmadinejad, for one, publicly subscribes; or (b) the Iranians are being their usual cunning Persian selves and are preparing to unveil their fully operational long-range nuclear capability, with justification being Iran was driven to transform its peaceful pursuit of atomic energy into a weapons program by an aggressive, war-hungry Great Satan. No one but already virulently anti-American tyrannies and predominantly Muslim countries would buy into this, but maintaining the fiction would be diplomatically useful in the short-term.

The Iranians may be crazy but they aren’t stupid. I go with (b).

troyriser_gopftw on October 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

We’ve got Democrats calling on Obama to suspend elections, suspend congress and declare himself a dictator. ………..
JellyToast on October 13, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Whoa, I missed that one. Got some links?

iurockhead on October 13, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Fast and Furious? What? Is that a new Vin Diesel movie?

Rambotito on October 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Smart power… First Libya, then Iran… No surprise with this bunch…

Khun Joe on October 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM

U.S. diplomats to deliver a tough message directly to Iranian representatives.

Let me guess, it was strongly worded, blah, blah, blah, slap on the hand, blah, blah, blah, tighter sanctions, blah, blah, blah, and next week the UN is going to draft a resolution to have Iran be the in charge of the UN international anti-terrorism group!

Same shiite, same lame response. The US needs to stop coddling these whacko Imams/Iranian regime and start kicking some azz BEFORE these kooks get a nuke! The azzhole Iranians have been kicking sand in our face since 1979, enough is enough, time to start kickin’ some serious mullah azz NOW!!

Liberty or Death on October 13, 2011 at 8:35 PM

The Iranians may be crazy but they aren’t stupid. I go with (b).

troyriser_gopftw on October 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

What about the possibility that the Iranian connection is rather tenuous and the administration is ginning up that connection in order to walk tall at a time when their poll numbers need a boost?

sharrukin on October 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM

(If you doubt Obama’s willingness to impose those consequences, remember that the Saudis are involved here too.)

That’s like having a prepaid “A-Rab League onside” card in your pocket.

BL@KBIRD on October 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Susan Rice is a Jew hating delusional fool. Not a good sign.

pat on October 13, 2011 at 8:38 PM

There’s something very strange about this whole scenario. I also question the timing. Why would we bother to get tough on Iran anyway, it will only lead to an apology down the line.

scalleywag on October 13, 2011 at 8:38 PM

You start being a good thuggish theocracy and maybe we’ll ignore this one.

AshleyTKing on October 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

If we don’t make them afraid to pull that kind of crappola again, they will escalate. That is what bothered me the most about people saying we overreacted to 9-11. 9/11 was an escalation from previously shrugged-off attacks. If we had shrugged 9/11 off, Al-Qaeda would have escalated. I don’t want to see that which would be an escalation from 9/11.

Sekhmet on October 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I still don’t see the logic of any of this.

One thing we must be careful not to do is project our own logic on their culture. What might seem completely illogical to us might be perfectly logical to them.

First of all remember we are dealing with a martyr culture here. Killing them is no deterrent. Also, parts of this culture believe they can influence the coming of the Mahdi by creating a crisis. Thirdly, they may well have a nuclear weapon or three. If they believe they have the capability to destroy Israel (and also the taking of the holy mosques is a part of the whole Mahdi thing) then they may feel religiously obligated to try to do so even if it means their own annihilation as then they would simply be martyred to paradise. So we might be dealing with leaders who are prepared to martyr their entire population if necessary if they can reach their goal.

But looking at this in the context of the Mahdi, provoking a war with Saudi Arabia might be their goal and they probably didn’t care if they get caught or not because they win either way. If they blow up the ambassador and start a war with Saudi Arabia they win. If they get caught and that starts a war with Saudi Arabia they still win in their mind because it precipitates the coming of the Mahdi.

We need to be very careful not to project our own notions of logic onto a nation run by an odd religious cultist.

crosspatch on October 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

“Lawmakers” again attack free speech.

Lawmakers seek to strip citizenship from people supporting “terrorism” against U.S.

Spathi on October 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I still don’t see the logic of any of this.

The UN General Assembly froze for 40 minutes as Monkeyjad spoke, bathed in a green light, a sign of the immanent return to of the 12th imam.

Please, let’s not even mention logic. Just lock, load, and aim.

AshleyTKing on October 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

usual cunning Persian

Monkeyjad does not strike one as cunning or Persian. Just a dirt-bag.

AshleyTKing on October 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Notice its Democrats who’re hyping this in the media, the President is desperate for an issue to use in his campaign, we’ll see how far and how fast this incident is escalated. Ordinarily this would be good for some UN mock threats and some more pretend sanctions, it’ll be a bellwether for how desperate Obama is and how willing he is to use the attempted assassination of a foreign diplomat to gain political points. Isn’t this a Saudi issue more than an American one?

Speakup on October 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM

We need to be very careful not to project our own notions of logic onto a nation run by an odd religious cultist.

crosspatch on October 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Iran has been behind the attacks in Iraq and they are very careful to cover their tracks even when it is rather obvious that they are indeed supporting certain groups there. They have a solid reason for assisting Iraqi groups.

Now they decide to carry out an attack inside the US knowing what happened after 911? Al Qaeda is one thing because they are already in the fire and are a non-state actor.

What does Iran get out of this enormous risk?

sharrukin on October 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

iurockhead on October 13, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Here you go:
Jackson, Jr: Obama should ‘declare a national emergency,’ add jobs with ‘extra-constitutional’ action

Illinois Democratic Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that congressional opposition to the American Jobs Act is akin to the Confederate “states in rebellion.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/12/jackson-obama-should-declare-a-national-emergency-add-jobs-with-extra-constitutional-action/#ixzz1ag1Vl4yK

Democratic Governor Says Elections Should Be Suspended
http://ology.com/politics/democratic-governor-says-elections-should-be-suspended

I’m not going to look up all the links. Anybody who hangs around HotAir long enough has seen these. There are more including several clips where Obama verbalizes his desire to do things without congress.

JellyToast on October 13, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Man it’s hard not to get tinfoily about this, but why would Iran want to give another reason to the U.S. to keep troops in Iraq.

Bishop on October 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Finally, something I agree with ernesto on.

J.E. Dyer on October 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Note to Iranians

Probably a good idea to stay away from Asprin factorie at least till the election is over.

TomAnon on October 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Interesting that, if true, Iran targeted the Zetas. And their enemy is the Sinolas. Guess which cartel got the Fast & Furious guns: the Sinolas. Remember, korans have been found on the border. There is something going on.

rbj on October 13, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Sharrukin, I don’t buy the ‘wag the dog’ stuff people are floating out there. Risking yet another Middle Eastern war with a probable nuclear-armed state equipped with long-range ballistic missiles and ran by murderous fanatics as a distraction from Holder’s involvement in the Fast and Furious scandal is too conspiratorial even for me.

I don’t agree with President Obama on just about anything you can name but I’m not going to demonize the man. He doesn’t skulk around, twirling a mustache, devising nefarious schemes to steal from ugly widows and crippled orphans. I look at what the fringe Left did to President Bush with that Truther stuff. Not going anywhere near there, thanks.

troyriser_gopftw on October 13, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I don’t agree with President Obama on just about anything you can name but I’m not going to demonize the man. He doesn’t skulk around, twirling a mustache, devising nefarious schemes to steal from ugly widows and crippled orphans. I look at what the fringe Left did to President Bush with that Truther stuff. Not going anywhere near there, thanks.

I’ll say this. I can’t stand Obama. But the one thing I think he has done well is keep the pressure on Al Quaeda. I didnt think he had it in him.

joepub on October 13, 2011 at 10:00 PM

. . . if they’re hell bent on starting a war with the U.S. or Saudi Arabia, there’s no need to go as far afield as they did.

In normal times, yeah. But? Well, Obama. If they want war with the US now, they’d almost have to strike openly on US soil. Even that won’t be enough if they leave D’OhBama any wriggle room, though.

Sort of a reverse ‘Mouse that Roared’ attempt?

starboardhelm on October 13, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Sharrukin, I don’t buy the ‘wag the dog’ stuff people are floating out there. Risking yet another Middle Eastern war with a probable nuclear-armed state equipped with long-range ballistic missiles and ran by murderous fanatics as a distraction from Holder’s involvement in the Fast and Furious scandal is too conspiratorial even for me.

troyriser_gopftw on October 13, 2011 at 9:55 PM

He’s not risking anything of the sort unless things go way south. They can posture and look tough, and as we have seen before it all amounts to a hill of beans in the end. As for being a distraction from the Mexican scandal, I am not sure I believe that is the reason. I suspect the polls have more to do with it.

sharrukin on October 13, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Considering their record thus far, I put nothing past this administration.

Nothing.

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Hell, Bammy and Ajihad could be in this together; it helps them both tremendously, domestically speaking, if they are publicly at odds with one another with all of the accompanying bluster.

I know, that’s pretty far out there in left field but as I said above, I put nothing past these guys.

hillbillyjim on October 13, 2011 at 10:20 PM

The world’s foremost sponsor of Terror forments a terrorism plot and people cannot comeprehend why on earth why?

Why did Iran blow up marine baracks in Lebanon killing US + French? Because they wanted to send a message to those countries.

Why did they assist in Khobar towers, because they wanted to send a message. Why have they been formenting terrorism, it’s never been to provoke a war. Allahpundit keeps looking for something they could do to American soldiers in Iraq or Afgh – But they Did do something there for past 7 years – No one cared including America.

They are threatened on multiple fronts, they are also acting on multiple fronts. It just so happens that this particular effort was exposed. But it’s not out of the blue. We just don’t see or have access to all the other things they do and have been doing, if we did it might not look so out of the blue, and more like a comprehensive foreign policy of terrorism which is what they employ.

Why would Iran risk killing US soldiers for a decade, maybe provoking war. Why would they sail warships through Suez maybe provoking war w/ Israel, why would they speed fast attacks boats past US warships in gulf possibly provoking a war, why would they do a million things they do often. Becuase what they do is calculated, always pushing the heat without provoking out right war. They are in a corner they turn up the heat – and like it or not they know it would not provoke a war with America because the whole world (sorry becuase I love you guys) knows you don’t have the stones to go to war with them right now.

They have gambled much larger than this before. Including using proxies to start *actual* wars safe in the knowledge / calculus that those wars will not involve Iran.

They told you they are going to sail warships to coast of America, well they have. Americans just too busy taking things literally all the time, terrorism and Iran are a lot more subtle in motives and operation mixed with crazy. If the attack had worked the Iranian warships would *indeed* have been on the coast of america, but you are busy looking for *actual* boats.. These are their warships – Terrorism.

saus on October 13, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Sorry, left it out at the end there..
They told you, you are just not listening.

saus on October 13, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Susan Rice couldn’t make a hard case for anything unless she needed personal satisfaction. The interests of this country are just not that high in what she lives on, what sustains her. Assuming a conversation took place, I doubt she laid down any napalm. That would require too much from Obama and Shrillary. And Rice cannot make up for them even if she thought it wise.

As to Iranians hiring Mexican shooters, a good story, sounds like a permutation of Fast + Furious, tracking walked guns to Mexico and busting a bunch of caudillos with “illegal” (heh) weapons in their grubby paws. Right, that’s close. The Zetas care about Saudi Arabia, and just hire themselves out for relatively small sums. That could be considered an insult to the Zetas. Pemex can barely get out of its own way, how would Zetas get anything from what is a Middle East pissing contest. I suspect they have bigger problems locally, and that is their focus. The offer could have been made, Iranians can be so wrong in their self-esteem. A deal doesn’t sound likely.

The patience of the mullahs should not be underestimated, nor their conviction to their cause, nor their increasing isolation from the spotlight of global islamic supremacy.

Recall how long the mullahs played tag with communists, local and foreign, in working to unseat the Shah. Once that goal was met, the communists were systematically hunted down and killed, without mercy or much trouble. The mullahs are patient and mean.

Radical Islam reveres death in the cause. It makes devotion to Marx look like liar’s poker. While I have met many Muslims who are more than happy to live and let live, those really into the cause cannot take that path. It defiles all they have lived for, how they have defined themselves, and their intensity for this life and definition is way outside anything a person of the West has, save a very small minority of loons. Or what we think are loons.

Iran’s fortunes are not on the rise, whether they are making progress on a bomb or not. A 7th century cultural baseline is going to have a hard time coexisting with and applying 21st century technologies. Instability at home might prompt a Islamic Final Solution…”let’s get the Mahdi down here NOW to sort things out”. There are multiple ways to do this.

Obama has a hard time understanding anyone not interested in free arugula and golf balls, so to speak. As long as he can provide favors and get paid for it, the system he lives for works. How far he might go, in ignorance or personal evil, to maintain the status quo, is a concern. The “botched” ATF op only reinforces that there is no apparent bottom to what Obama and cadre think is moral when it comes to political goals, what they will do. The stakes in 2012 are much bigger than civilian disarmament.

And little Eric Holder might have his wanker in a trap, at grave risk to his boss, and need a diversion to show off how he is so clever and looking out for us all.

Might be coincidence and actually real, but it’s like a stack of pancakes. Keep adding to it and eventually it all falls over, a sticky mess that is hard to eat. The credibilty of the Regime is so weak…all the good stories and all the “good speeches”…and a pattern of bad decisions that surpasses mere incompetence in its batting average.

IMO: Another turd is being buried, someone hopes.

Harry Schell on October 13, 2011 at 10:34 PM

So, Obama’s now okay with regime change?

Tzetzes on October 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM

As an old military guy, I’d respond like this:

1. Notify all the countries of the world that maintain embassies and consulates in Iran, that they have two weeks to leave in order to protect their safety.

2. Let Iran know, that as a minimum, that their airfields (particularly in their capitol)will soon cease to exist.

3. Just as a demonstration, eliminate their naval installations.

4. Remind the Iranians that we’ve been at war since they stormed our embassy.

5. Sit back and wait for their response. There is a reason that the embassy hostages were released prior to the inauguration of President Reagan.

We tend to forget that the Iraqis fought these guys for years and we beat the Iraqis in weeks.

Special Forces Grunt on October 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Oh hey look now Holder’s a hero. Awesome.

Kenosha Kid on October 13, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Finally, something I agree with ernesto on.
J.E. Dyer on October 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

and what would that be?

As for Iran

they will cover tor our commies as they covered for them when it was apparent they were helping kill our troops

should have mopped the desert with them but our commies provided cover ceaselessly

Sonosam on October 14, 2011 at 1:31 AM

Sonosam on October 14, 2011 at 1:31 AM

Sorry, Sonosam. It was this one:

ernesto on October 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM

J.E. Dyer on October 14, 2011 at 4:21 AM

(Reuters)

Iran’s supreme leader and the shadowy Quds Force covert operations unit were likely aware of an alleged plot to kill Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States, but hard evidence of that is scant, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

Why would we make a global spectacle of accusing Iran of acts of war when there is scant evidence available to back it up. Stinks on ice.

petefrt on October 14, 2011 at 6:02 AM

Oh, hello Hans Brix, what are you doing here? Do you have another strongly worded letter?

Alden Pyle on October 14, 2011 at 9:20 AM

The Los Zetas cartel, that the Iranians thought they were talking to, is the same cartel identified as responsible for killing an ICE agent back in Feburary. The cartel that’s been getting the arms from Fast and Furious is their deadly enemy, so Los Zetas would be the perfect fall guys.

Perhaps Iran hoped to throw gasoline on Obama’s F&F scandal while whacking a Saudi ambassador at the same time.

LarryD on October 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM

J.E. Dyer on October 14, 2011 at 4:21 AM

I’m with ya on that one

Sonosam on October 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM

“The core objective of the Jihadists type of confrontation action is outrageous and is a clear violation of international law, and that the Iranian government has an obligation to hold any individuals associated with this plot accountable, to cease its support for terrorism and to meet its obligations to the international community,”

First and foremost when did the left begin to fell obligated to follow a set of Laws and Rules which we are not obligated to do so.

MSGTAS on October 15, 2011 at 9:54 AM