Cain: Time for me to be a job creator

posted at 11:25 am on October 13, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Herman Cain’s days of running a shoestring operation may be coming to an end.  Responding to concerns about the lack of significant staff, Cain promised that his campaign would shortly begin hiring to meet the demands on a front-running candidate:

Seizing modest momentum in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, businessman Herman Cain promised to invest in additional staff and campaign more aggressively in New Hampshire and Iowa.

“We have run this very lean by design. We are now going to ramp up,” he told reporters near the New Hampshire State House Wednesday afternoon. “We now have the money to do so. I didn’t want to get out in front and commit to spending a whole lot of money before I knew that the American people were going to say, ‘You know what? This long shot may not be such a long shot.’”

Cain also declared an end to his book tour, which had drawn criticism as a sign of a lack of seriousness:

Cain has put little effort into visiting early voting states or building a ground game in the states where presidential contests are typically won and lost. Cain launched a recent book tour that fueled speculation he was more interested in profiting from his growing national profile than winning the election.

“The book tour is over,” Cain declared Wednesday, vowing to add staff in New Hampshire and Iowa and bring his campaign bus to the Granite State in the coming weeks. He hadn’t visited New Hampshire since midsummer.

The most significant part of this story is Cain’s statement that they have enough money flowing into the campaign to compete in Iowa and New Hampshire.  The latter is a long shot, and Cain might be better advised to focus on South Carolina, given Mitt Romney’s advantage in the Granite State.  Cain’s probably not drawing so much cash that he can afford to blow it on a state he’s likely to lose.  South Carolina will be a more fertile ground for Cain’s combination of fiscal and social policies, and a win in Iowa and South Carolina would put him on good footing in the early days of primary voting.

Still, the expansion comes at a time when some wondered whether Cain could develop a ground organization that would produce votes.  His recent rise in polling has taken place almost entirely in the fourth quarter, so we won’t get a look at Cain’s finances for another three months.  It’s not surprising that his strong debate performances in the past two weeks has produced a boom in contributions, and with Perry’s continued struggles in these forums, some of the anybody-but-Romney donors might shift from Perry to Cain immediately.  If Cain can produce another robust performance next Tuesday in Las Vegas, where the other candidates will undoubtedly attack Cain on foreign policy rather than economics, that Perry-to-Cain drift might accelerate.

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Whoa. Haley Barbour Says Herman Cain Would Sweep The South Against Obama. That’s got to leave Mitt with a little sting.

Rational Thought on October 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Mitt? Are you kidding me? That’s a huge slap in the face to Rick Perry!

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Whoa. Haley Barbour Says Herman Cain Would Sweep The South Against Obama. That’s got to leave Mitt with a little sting.

Rational Thought on October 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Mitt? No way. Perry. If Barbour winds up endorsing Cain, Cain suddenly gets access to new streams of money.

KingGold on October 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Why are conservatives using liberal meme’s against other conservstives?

Madness.

upinak on October 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM

First, they’re not conservatives that do such things. And second, it’s called astroturfing which only can work where genuine soul-searching is going on.

platypus on October 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Mitt? No way. Perry. If Barbour winds up endorsing Cain, Cain suddenly gets access to new streams of money.

KingGold on October 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM

And endorsement from Haley Barbour would render Perry’s campaign over. Do you smell trouble in River City?

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I cannot get myself to trust Romney, on anything. Not only is he a recidivist flip-flopper, but he is operating in a culture that expects politicians to be lie from time to time and does not hold them accountable for their lies. This combination of circumstances suggests to me that Romney feels free to say whatever he needs to say to get elected, and that the Republican establishment expects and accepts that, because they know Romney is a RINO like them.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Another 4 years of a charismatic leader who doesn’t have the necessary background to be President? No thanks.

Paul-Cincy on October 13, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Yeah, those professional politicians have done so well the last 50 years…energy, eduction, economics, they seem to have missed that one day in class when they learned “e” was in the alphabet.
I doubt you will be able to convince anyone that “experienced” politicians is what this country needs…let’s try something different, a leader for a change.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on October 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

He belongs to the past — a dying political way and world. He’s a living denial of the future and the new world we’ve sensed through the tea party and the conservative revival of the past two or three years. He and the establishment are racing to seal the deal before enough of us realize this. They will try everything in the next few months to jam him down our throats. If we hold out, time is on our side. He will fall apart. Finally, we’ll wonder how and why we even considered him in the first place.

rrpjr on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

The rumor is, one of his economic advisers will be Thomas Sowell…not a bad start.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

So tell me what Romney has that Cain doesn’t.

Doughboy on October 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Beautiful hair…

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

You can rationalize it all you want…thinking you can run the most powerful country in the free world because you ran a campaign is ludicrous….especially when the vote is still out whether the campaign was even successful or not.

tencole on October 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Wow, you learned a lot being a Palin supporter, you know all the “attacks”.
Don’t forget he is a “quitter”, he quit his VP job at Pillsbury for his being President of Godfather’s Pizza.
He also went to a couple of different colleges, and he dropped out of school…He also has children with different names: Luther and Lenora.
Don’t forget to include all the above in your next attacking post…you betcha!

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

The rumor is, one of his economic advisers will be Thomas Sowell…not a bad start.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Okay that gave me goosebumps. Let it be so.

txmomof6 on October 13, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Yeah, those professional politicians have done so well the last 50 years…energy, eduction, economics, they seem to have missed that one day in class when they learned “e” was in the alphabet.
I doubt you will be able to convince anyone that “experienced” politicians is what this country needs…let’s try something different, a leader for a change.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM

God forbid we get a President with an understanding of how the government works.

It seems kinda weird to realize that some people think Obama had too much political experience before being President.

Mister Mets on October 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

…you betcha!

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

chuckle.

who doesn’t have the necessary background to be President? No thanks.

Paul-Cincy on October 13, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Pretty rich coming from a nista.

CW on October 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM

If the GOP nomination were to go to Cain I don’t think I would bother voting. I find the choice absurd. I cite total inexperience in elected office as the main reason. The only other 2 I don’t think I could vote for is Paul and Santorum. Paul is brilliant on economic policy, but batty on defense and foreign policy, while Santorum just cant seem to keep himself out of people bedrooms and marriages. I would also want someone a little more even tempered than Santorum.

TonyR on October 13, 2011 at 6:05 PM

You could even go so far as to call TJ a “career politician”.

Punchenko on October 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Really? Even been to Monticello?

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

It’s time for Cainsian economics!!!

TheQuestion on October 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Ryan didn’t endorse the 999 Plan. I don’t think anyone of any importance has.
huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Art Laffer did.
MeatHeadinCA on October 13, 2011 at 4:25 PM

No endorsement by Laffer. And it appears that Laffer was only commenting on the 9% corporate tax rate, not the 9% income tax and 9% sales tax. Same with Ryan. No endorsement of 999. Misleading headlines out there.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

God forbid we get a President with an understanding of how the government works.

It seems kinda weird to realize that some people think Obama had too much political experience before being President.

Mister Mets on October 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Umm, he worked for the Navy and he was the head of the National Restaurant Association, in which he served as a major lobbyist. Who would better know the workings of the government than a lobbyist?

lovingmyUSA on October 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

No endorsement by Laffer. And it appears that Laffer was only commenting on the 9% corporate tax rate, not the 9% income tax and 9% sales tax. Same with Ryan. No endorsement of 999. Misleading headlines out there.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Gee, I’m listening to Art Laffer right now on Fox with Bret Baier and you are mistaken. He’s all in.

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

No endorsement by Laffer. And it appears that Laffer was only commenting on the 9% corporate tax rate, not the 9% income tax and 9% sales tax. Same with Ryan. No endorsement of 999. Misleading headlines out there.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Sheesh. I’ll say.

Barbour tweeted that it was his WIFE that said she would vote for Cain if the primary was today, and I called Ryan’s D.C. office, asked if he was endorsing 999 and the staffer, very quickly I might add, said “No.”

Guns are being jumped all over the place. What’s up with that?

capitalist piglet on October 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I really want to like Cain, but I am not too impressed with his resume. I gotta say… I think he is our very own affirmative action candidate. Really, what is Papa John’s tax plan?

bitsy on October 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Gee, I’m listening to Art Laffer right now on Fox with Bret Baier and you are mistaken. He’s all in.
Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Just heard him too and immediately come back to post I was wrong. Laffer is also wrong because it does raise taxes on lower income taxpayers.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Rasmussen Poll after Tuesdays Debate.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Republican Primary voters shows Cain and Romney each attracting 29% of the vote while Gingrich is a distant third at 10%. Texas Governor Rick Perry was the frontrunner when he entered the race and has suffered through a series of poor debate performances while sliding to fourth place at nine percent (9%). (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Other candidates include Congressman Ron Paul who earns five percent (5%) and Congresswoman Michele Bachmann who earns four percent (4%). Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman trail at two percent (2%) each. Three percent (3%) would prefer some other candidate and seven percent (7%) are not sure.

In a two-way race, 43% would prefer Cain and 42% Romney. Cain leads Perry 54% to 29% in a two-man match and Romney leads Perry 54% to 30%.

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Who is trying to start a stampede?
We must be looking somewhat foolish because of all of this.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I don’t care if Cain understand how the government works, only that he understands how to make it stop working.

Its the same with Romney re: Mormonism. I don’t care what they believe – faith is nothing more than a cynical prop for politicians anyway – as long as he has no religious objection to fractions and subtraction, as Obama does.

HitNRun on October 13, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Bush knew how the Government worked. Obama still doesn’t.

Neither of these points are a positive.

CW on October 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

It’s not surprising that his strong debate performances in the past two weeks has produced a boom in contributions, and with Perry’s continued struggles in these forums, some of the anybody-but-Romney donors might shift from Perry to Cain immediately.

Whenever the discussion turns to what to do with illegal aliens, liberals and “compassionate conservatives” tell us that it is impossible to deport 11 – 25 million illegal aliens currently residing in the United States.
But, as Alabama and Arizona so vividly illustrate, if states simply enforce the laws and remove the perks they enjoy, illegal aliens will likely leave on their own. Unfortunately, if these laws and the removal of perks are not put into effect nationwide, illegal aliens will simply move from states that enforce the laws and remove the “entitlements” to illegal immigrant-friendly states like Kalifornia and Texas.

Jan Brewer: “Why don’t you illegals all head out to California and Texas? You won’t have Sheriff Joe to harrass you and they have governors who are bleeding hearts – not a mean old witch like me. They will welcome you with open arms and give you lots of goodies.”

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Someone explain this chart to me so I can counter my leftist friends. http://i.imgur.com/NGCIW.jpg

BrianVII on October 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

I like Cain a lot.

I think Newt is extremely intelligent but I still have my doubts.

I don’t trust Romney.

I was hoping to see Perry come out of the gate running strong, and he has disappointed me so far, but I have not yet written him off.

In the end I will vote for ANY one of these candidates versus Barry Hussein. We have to remember that every candidate currently running on the Republican ticket has vastly more experience than Barry Hussein did or does. I agree that it makes sense to optimize this opportunity that we have and that we should make every effort to nominate the most philosophically pure conservative that we can. That would be the ultimate victory over this Socialist Thug Regime that has occupied the White House.

vboscaino on October 13, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Cain names Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan as possible 2012 vice presidential picks

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I want DeMint to remain in the Senate, we need his voice. I also would like Ryan to stay in the House and keep write up the reforms Cain needs to pass. Cain needs a foreign Policy expert like John Bolton. If he could somehow snag General Petraeus, he’s golden.

Daemonocracy on October 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Just saw this article. Looks like Paul Ryan has some love for 9-9-9, at least as a starting point for a much needed discussion amongst the candidates:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/13/paul-ryan-loves-herman-cains-9-9-9-tax-plan/

vboscaino on October 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Someone explain this chart to me so I can counter my leftist friends. http://i.imgur.com/NGCIW.jpg

BrianVII on October 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

I believe its accurate but not the whole story.

It looks like they have also added the top 1% on top of the Quintile separation to make the gap more noticeable.

Share of Total Federal Tax Liabilities

2006
Lowest Quintile 0.8
Second Quintile 4.1
Middle Quintile 9.1
Fourth Quintile 16.5
Highest Quintile 69.3

Quintile: (A statistical value of a data set that represents 20% of a given population)

Top 10% 55.4
Top 5% 44.7
Top 1% 28.3

sharrukin on October 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

I totally believe that the moment Romney is the nominee he will flip on at least one major position he’s taken during the primary campaign. And if he actually becomes president, his first move will be to “shiv” conservatives and play to the tune of the press corps and the great center-left middle of “No Labels” yore.

Robert_Paulson on October 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Very well reasoned, and very reasonably said.

This!

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

The rumor is, one of his economic advisers will be Thomas Sowell…not a bad start.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

@win!!! +1000!

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Cain names Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan as possible 2012 vice presidential picks

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM

It’ll be Newt. I just know it.

jhffmn on October 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM

The rumor is, one of his economic advisers will be Thomas Sowell…not a bad start.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

I’m all in Cain if that’s true.

jhffmn on October 13, 2011 at 7:40 PM

The rumor is, one of his economic advisers will be Thomas Sowell…not a bad start.

right2bright on October 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Racists!

davidk on October 13, 2011 at 7:42 PM

I’m all in Cain if that’s true.

jhffmn on October 13, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Me to, been reading Sowell for years and he is the Voice of Sanity.

Going Rogue (i.e. SANE!)

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 7:43 PM

As a matter of fact, when I started reading Thomas Sowell was when I became a Fiscal Conservative, which lead to becoming a T.E.A. partier, which lead to my Going “Galt”.

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM

lower income taxpayers.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Define please.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Cain names Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan as possible 2012 vice presidential picks

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I saw that too! well I am glad the spot lite has been put on cain. I dont agree with all of his views THANK GOD. because if I did then I would assume I was part of a cult. Again glad he is in the fire, the fire will either temper his metal or cause it to break, better to find out now before we get too far into it.

ColdWarrior57 on October 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Hi, Jase!

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Howdy.

took me a second to figure out who you were, Braz-Portie got it for me ‘tho.

I’m pretty deep in the Gulch now myself.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM

MNHawk was over in the “should conservatives support 999 thread”

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM

I really want to like Cain, but I am not too impressed with his resume. I gotta say… I think he is our very own affirmative action candidate.
bitsy on October 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

You’re kidding right?

Excerpted from wiki,

“graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics. … graduate studies at Purdue, received a Masters in computer science there in 1971, while he also worked full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy. … Coca-Cola as a computer systems analyst. … director of business analysis … Burger King where he managed 400 stores in the Philadelphia area. … At Burger King, Cain “established the BEAMER program, which taught our employees, mostly teenagers, how to make our patrons smile” by smiling themselves. … President and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza. … CEO of the National Restaurant Association, … member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City … on the board of directors of Aquila, Inc. and board member for Nabisco, Whirlpool, Reader’s Digest, and AGCO, Inc.”

So what part of this is unimpressive to you?

Mr_Magoo on October 13, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Cain names Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan as possible 2012 vice presidential picks

Knucklehead on October 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Interesting. That is sure to upset some around here.

MeatHeadinCA on October 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Braz-Portie got it for me ‘tho.

New search engine?

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

It ain’t going to be Allen West as VP. He already put down the 9-9-9 plan as the soon to become 15-15-15 plan.

Kermit on October 13, 2011 at 9:40 PM

I’m pretty deep in the Gulch now myself.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM

We should talk; Manhattan software engineer to truck driver is about as “Galt” as you can get (excepting Galt’s Genius, of course). IMHO.

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 9:57 PM

New search engine?

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Brazilian-Portugese

I noticed the CDL, that is pretty GALT.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The injury started my process, but when Pelosi got her Big Gavel, I dumped everything that wasn’t cemented to the floor, then got out the jackhammer.

Kept the cannon, and bought some rocket launchers to go with.

I guess I’m more of a Ragnar to your John.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I guess I’m more of a Ragnar to your John.

Jason Coleman on October 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I’m an outstanding shot/gunner; I just have to carry lighter hardware and less ordnance since I’m mobile :(

And biding time, it’ll be rough times during the Fall 2012 rioting/mayhem/election “postponing” “crisis” that will bring us out in full force, being mobile.

Less of a challenge from a fixed base; easier re-supply :)

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 10:22 PM

http://www.berdansharpshooters.org/Rockets/index.htm

Not difficult but accuracy is.

Who is John Galt on October 13, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Yeah, they aren’t accurate at all. Fun to shoot even if they are a little expensive. Great sound and really impressive/scary for those downrange.

I’ve gotten pretty consistent with the cannon since I’ve had more time to shoot, can hit a pizza box at 1500 yards with round shot 80 percent of the time.

Have a great night, keep on truckin’.

Jason Coleman on October 14, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Someone explain this chart to me so I can counter my leftist friends. http://i.imgur.com/NGCIW.jpg

BrianVII on October 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

It is also absolute $ instead of % increase. With that y axis, 50k increasing to $70k barely registers, but it sure would if it were your $70k…

Empiricist on October 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM

I also think the “1%” is out of hand, mostly due to the socialization of risk in the financial industry. I just disagree with OWS on what to do about it… Let Them Fail!
This includes all those who can’t or won’t read a closing statement when they buy twice as much house as they can afford AND the banker left holding the bag when the loan crashes. Instead we bail them out. If we allowed it to hurt, they wouldn’t keep doing it and wouldn’t get obscene bonuses for certain failure. Not Risk, because that implies some chance of success…the market would take care of it, if allowed to work.

Empiricist on October 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Jan Brewer: “Why don’t you illegals all head out to California and Texas? You won’t have Sheriff Joe to harrass you and they have governors who are bleeding hearts – not a mean old witch like me. They will welcome you with open arms and give you lots of goodies.”

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Jan Brewer to Christine O’Donnell: Sorry, I AM a witch!

Steve Z on October 14, 2011 at 9:42 AM

I would ask just how Romney suporters envision this race against the Left and their blueprint for victory.

rrpjr on October 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Exactly. Plus I don’t trust him when I see how hard he obfuscates about RomneyCare. I’m glad the donks couldn’t wait to expose him now, rather than hold it for the general.

AH_C on October 14, 2011 at 10:33 AM

No endorsement by Laffer. And it appears that Laffer was only commenting on the 9% corporate tax rate, not the 9% income tax and 9% sales tax. Same with Ryan. No endorsement of 999. Misleading headlines out there.

huckleberryfriend on October 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I’m not sure what Laffer and Ryan might have said, but the Cain 9-9-9 plan needs some serious adjustment before it will pass Congress.

If any candidate has a plan that robs Peter to pay Paul, it will only pass Congress if there are more Pauls (winners) than Peters (losers).

In deciding whether to support Cain and his 9-9-9 plan, people will compare his plan with the current tax system, and decide whether they’re Peter or Paul.

If Cain imposes a flat 9% income tax and 9% sales tax on EVERYONE, the total tax rate is 18%, but they would save the 7.5% payroll tax that Cain would eliminate. People who pay more than 10.5% of their income in income tax under the current system would benefit from Cain’s plan (Pauls), and those who pay less than 10.5% income tax would be hurt (Peters).

Although millions of taxpayers are in 15% or 25% MARGINAL brackets, how many pay more than 10.5% of their gross income in Federal income tax? Actually, not many, because everyone gets the standard deduction and personal exemptions tax-free, plus $12,000 taxed at only 10% (thank you George W. Bush), and people with children get $1,000 CREDITS.

Let’s assume a “typical family of four” with husband, wife, and two children which does NOT itemize deductions. Standard deduction is $11,400, four personal exemptions x $3,650 are $14,600, meaning that the first $26,000 of income is tax-free. If I represents their total income, their Net taxable income (N) is

N = I – 26,000

Let T represent their Federal income tax from the tax table, but since they get $2,000 in child tax credits, their actual Federal income tax is T – 2,000.

Such a family would prefer Cain’s 9-9-9 plan if they pay more than 10.5% of their Gross income in Federal income taxes, or

T – 2000 > 0.105(N + 26,000), or
T > 0.105 N + 4,730

According to the 2010 Tax Tables in the instructions to Form 1040, the “break-even point” where T = 0.105 N + 4,730 is N = $85,250 (NET taxable income), which would correspond to a gross income of 85,250 + 26,000 = $111,250.

Families making less than $111,250 per year would be net LOSERS (Peters) under Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, and those making over $111,250 would be net winners (Pauls).

Since the median family income is less than $50,000 (by definition of the median, 50% of families make less than the median), and another sizable fraction make between $50,000 and $111,250, it follows that a substantial MAJORITY of families would be HURT by Cain’s tax plan, and would not support it if they did the math.

This doesn’t mean that there is no merit to Cain’s plan, but that it needs fine-tuning. Lowering the corporate tax rate (say to 15%) would make America a competitive place to do business, and would encourage multi-national corporations to stay in America and/or move to America. Changing to a flatTER income tax would help by not discouraging wealthier people from buying expensive goods and services that put other people to work. Doing away with the corporate payroll tax would lower the cost of hiring people, and bring more taxpayers into the system.

But the sudden imposition of a 9% national sales tax would clobber the poor and middle-class, and most people would reject it, unless exemptions were made for necessities such as food and clothing. In addition, a large sales tax would suddenly make goods sold in the USA 9% more expensive, which could cause people living near borders to buy cheaper goods in Canada or Mexico, and this could spur short-term inflation and a devaluation of the dollar, which would make imported goods (including oil!) more expensive. IMHO, any national sales tax would have to be imposed gradually, at no more than 2% per year, to avoid serious short-term shocks that would outweigh long-term benefits.

Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is a good starting point, but Michele Bachmann is right–there ARE some devils in the details. Herman Cain now needs to do some homework and research and revise his plan with extra “details” so that a majority of voters will find it better than the current system.

Steve Z on October 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM

. . . . If Cain imposes a flat 9% income tax and 9% sales tax on EVERYONE, the total tax rate is 18%, but they would save the 7.5% payroll tax that Cain would eliminate. People who pay more than 10.5% of their income in income tax under the current system would benefit from Cain’s plan (Pauls), and those who pay less than 10.5% income tax would be hurt (Peters). . . .

Steve Z on October 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Your initial reasoning here is flawed. It would not be an 18% tax on them. If you take 9% in tax off the top, then that leaves 91% of their income subject to the 9% sales tax, not 100% of their income. And you assume that the remaining 91% of their income will all be spent that year, no savings and will all be spent on NEW goods and services. A lot of a person’s income goes to their mortgage on used homes. There are used car payments. There are education costs for some. A lot of their income goes to real estate taxes. You take those out and a lot of other costs of living that I am forgetting because I am rushed right now and you will see that that doesn’t leave as much as you think for purchasing new goods and services that will be the only remaining things subject to the Fair tax/sales tax.

And like so many others, you are forgetting the PREBATE that will cover the basics for the poor. In fact, I think not only the poor will get the prebate.

I can understand people having questions about the plan. It is new to many and radical. And I applaud the time you took to analyze it with actual numbers. But you are missing pieces and assume static numbers.

This is not your fault. We need more details on this plan and more REAL analysis of the ACTUAL plan’s details in full, not pieces here and there and misconceptions.

My advice to those who have not embraced 999 or Cain, wait until you learn more actual facts about this plan. It will come.

Don’t jump to conclusions and discard the plan or his candidacy. If there are any major flaws in this plan it can be tweaked and changed. If nothing else, Cain’s thinking is a step in the right direction. We cannot continue as a country with the system we have, even if we reduce some taxes on some of the people.

Elisa on October 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Elisa on October 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Only a minor point, but I forgot that some of a person’s income goes towards contributions so those would not be subject to the sales tax and they are still deductible from the income tax in 999.

Elisa on October 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM

One last thing because I have to go.

Anyone working in Marketing will tell you 2 facts.

The rich buy more things and buy more expensive things and will pay more sales tax than other people.

Besides families of 4 examples, there are alot of Senior citizens (55 and older) who do not buy as much as old people. One reason Nielsen ratings prized 49 yr old and younger categories. They buy less and less as they age and they would be subject to less sales tax consequently.

Elisa on October 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM

(sorry, wish there was an edit button)

And the Seniors would like the end of capital gains taxes and death taxes.

Elisa on October 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM

If I can be convinced the the 999 plan is a great as he says it is I’ll send him 50 bucks! I’m just not convinced yet but I really like the guy.

MCGIRV on October 16, 2011 at 1:02 AM

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