Wikileaks cable hints that Obama wanted to issue apology for Hiroshima; Update: Or not?

posted at 12:05 pm on October 12, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

See update.

Don’t worry too much about this story.  I’m sure Barack Obama would have waited for Japan’s apology for Pearl Harbor, the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, the treatment of American POWs …

The cable indicates the Japanese government was then effectively discouraging Obama from visiting Hiroshima despite growing expectations over it following his call for a world free from nuclear weapons in a speech in Prague in April 2009.

The cable, dated Sept. 3, 2009, and sent to U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton, reported Japan’s then Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling Ambassador John Roos on Aug. 28 that antinuclear groups would speculate over whether the president would visit Hiroshima in light of his Prague speech on nuclear nonproliferation.

“He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter’,” said the cable.

The most fascinating part of this was the discouragement given by the Japanese Vice Foreign Minister.  Presumably, a Japanese government that got an American President to bow to their national sense of victimhood from the consequences of launching a brutal war of conquest in the 1930s — bowing in the rhetorical sense, of course  — would have acquired a huge amount of political goodwill. The government in Tokyo at that time certainly needed a political boost.

Why not let Obama apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then?  For one thing, Japan understands better than most that they rely on the American nuclear umbrella for their safety — and not so much from China but from North Korea.  At some point, Japan has to decide whether to adopt its own nuclear deterrent to push Kim Jong-il into real negotiations.  The last thing they need is an American President using Hiroshima as a platform for unilateral disarmament while China bristles with nukes and the DPRK keeps testing more of its home-grown nuclear devices, which they are apparently preparing to do again.

Obama wisely took Yabunaka’s advice and decided not to address the issue at all.  The fact that the Japanese had to tell Obama to curtail his 2009 apology tour is both ironic and, well, appalling.

Update: Let’s take a look at the text of the cable itself, via e-mailer AKElvis:

VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public will have high expectations toward President Obama’s visit to Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a “non-starter.”

This seems to indicate that Yabunaka was afraid of the p0litical backlash of Obama not apologizing at Hiroshima — or perhaps worried that an Obama appearance there would give the impression of an apology.  The “non-starter” quote appears to be from Yabunaka himself, but it also notes that a “simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare [as the Obama administration had apparently suggested] is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message.”  It’s not entirely clear whether the “message” referenced was disarmament or apology; I’d lean towards disarmament, since Yabunaka is referencing that immediately preceding this sentence.   It’s at least a substantial possibility that the Obama administration didn’t get the nuance that a Hiroshima visit on its own might suggest a symbolic apology, rather than intending to deliver that message.

It’s worth noting that just the hint of a Hiroshima trip at the time started rumors of an Obama apology even apart from this cable, but the alternate conclusion of this cable is at least as legitimate as what I wrote above, and perhaps more so.

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Wish I could say I was shocked…

JohnGalt23 on October 12, 2011 at 12:09 PM

And I’m supposed to be shocked and surprised by this?

Dopenstrange on October 12, 2011 at 12:09 PM

The only thing that prevents me from saying that this man is a complete idiot is that he didn’t go through with it.

princetrumpet on October 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

So you’re saying he hasn’t yet?

Jaibones on October 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

You will not hear this brought in next year’s debates because Mitt Romney will be too busy playin kissy-face with Barack.

SouthernGent on October 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

I think 52% of America should apologize to the world at large for electing this buffoon.

Key West Reader on October 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Why can’t Obama apologize for being a “dick” ?

J_Crater on October 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Not shocked and yet somehow able to be appalled by seeing the words.

myrenovations on October 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Is that the photo negative of Brian Williams bowing to Obama?

50sGuy on October 12, 2011 at 12:12 PM

I am completely SHOCKED! – that he didn’t.

VegasRick on October 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Dear Germany,

On behalf of the United States, I apologize for the damage we inflicted on that really cool fence you constructed along the French shoreline.

BobMbx on October 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Why not apologize to the Germans, too, for our participation in a kinetic military intervention in the ’40s that ultimately led to their leader taking his own life inside a bunker?

TXUS on October 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Obama’s actions speak louder than words….

For the last 3 years he’s been apologizing to the entire world by augering this country into the ground….

BigWyo on October 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM

He really wants to apologize for the “US Racist Empire” winning the war.

mankai on October 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM

One thing is for sure. Our next POTUS will have to issue many apologies to our foreign friends, both near and far, because of Obama.

Christien on October 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM

We have nobody to blame but ourselves for this travesty of a POTUS. Start saving your pennies and get ready to support a conservative candidate in 2012.

NickDeringer on October 12, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I wish he’d apologize to America for being born.

Labamigo on October 12, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Don’t worry too much about this story. I’m sure Barack Obama would have waited for Japan’s apology for Pearl Harbor, the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, the treatment of American POWs …

..don’t bet the ranch on their issuing an apology to us, Ed. The previous-and-most-recently-shed prime minister is [almost] a bigger tool than Obama is. My bride tells me his egotism in dealing with the Tsunami and reactor meltdown crisis was incredible and left a lot of Japanese absolutely flummoxed.

The War Planner on October 12, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Showing them a reset button would have been hilarious, but I suppose it wasn’t a time for humor.

a capella on October 12, 2011 at 12:18 PM

In other news, Barack Obama is set to issue an official apology to the 1980 Soviet Union men’s hockey team for any embarrasment caused by their humiliating loss to the Americans.

Beo on October 12, 2011 at 12:18 PM

He actually ASKED PERMISSION OF THE JAPANESE FIRST?!?!?!?!?!

tree hugging sister on October 12, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Will the next president go on a worldwide apology tour apologizing for the last SCOAMF president?

NotCoach on October 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Honestly, nothing shocks me about Obama any more…

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Unstinkingbelievable

cmsinaz on October 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM

He actually ASKED PERMISSION OF THE JAPANESE FIRST?!?!?!?!?!

Wait. What am I thinking? He wanted to see if they had Greek columns there for the big moment, or if he should bring his own.

tree hugging sister on October 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM

WTF? The first Anti-American President.

FYI, my great uncle is a WWII vet, when he finds out it….it will hit the fan

Oil Can on October 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Had (and have) older family members who fought in the Pacific. My Stepfather, a sailor on the carrier USS Belleau Wood during WWII, described how he and his shipmates felt when they heard about the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Belleau Wood, along with the rest of the fleet, was headed for Japan at the time. American casualities alone were expected to be a least a million men, with God knows how many millions of Japanese military and civilian casualties. The battle for Japan was expected to be an inferno, a kamikaze fight to the death, a thousand Iwo Jimas.

He told me some men–seasoned combat veterans–wept openly at the news.

The Left is full of fools, with no sense of history and no perspective a sense of history would give them. All they know is what they so badly want to believe, truth be damned.

troyriser_gopftw on October 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Beo on October 12, 2011 at 12:18 PM

He has to apologize first for skipping their hosting of the 1980 Summer Olympics.

NotCoach on October 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Showing them a reset button would have been hilarious, but I suppose it wasn’t a time for humor.

a capella on October 12, 2011 at 12:18 PM

You mean something like a detonator button with the word “DETONATE” covered by a piece of masking tape with the word “RESET” written on it? Then they all could have shared a big laugh and held a Sapporo beer summit.

Beo on October 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

I would like to apologize to the Japanese for their Hell Ships.

Bishop on October 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Obama is at war… with us. Let that sink in.

faraway on October 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Color me surprised.

txag92 on October 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I just puked.

JAM on October 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Obama wisely took Yabunaka’s advice

Obama lacks wisdom therefor he is unable to make “wise” decisions. He simply does as he is told.

Rod on October 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM

You mean something like a detonator button with the word “DETONATE” covered by a piece of masking tape with the word “RESET” written on it? Then they all could have shared a big laugh and held a Sapporo beer summit.

Beo on October 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

You nailed it!

a capella on October 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Mitt Romney says Obama is well-meaning

flyfisher on October 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Further wikileaks reveal that Obama wanted to apologize to England for the Revolutionary War, the war of 1812, to Spain for the Spanish-American War, and to Americans for the Finale of the TV series Lost.

portlandon on October 12, 2011 at 12:26 PM

This guy is the biggest con job ever in the history of the USA. An experiment gone horribly wrong. For all who are surprised, shame on you, the writing was on the wall.

rjoco1 on October 12, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Ridiculous. Obama thinks these things matter…they don’t, and even the Japanese realized it.

Just curious…and I don’t know the answer…did the Japanese ever, in fact, apologize for Pearl Harbor? I don’t need an apology, but just wondering.

neoavatara on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Hey, what about Dresden?

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Ward Cleaver on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I did a lot of research for a book I published on the Death March and ended up researching about the slave camps and death ships. Few nations have fought a war with as much evil. Thank God their defeat and humiliation ended the bushido mindset which held prisoners to be less than dogs (just like our Godless left and their biodiversity games)
The death rate for POWs was approximately as follows -Germany 3% died as POWS while Japan was nearer to 40%.

The atrocities they committed upon their own POWs when they took Bataan, was indescribably evil and stomache churning.

I for one forgive them, but I for one see no need to apologize for defeating the madness that was bushido inspired Japan.

Don L on October 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM

We have nobody to blame but ourselves for this travesty of a POTUS. Start saving your pennies and get ready to support a conservative candidate in 2012.

NickDeringer on October 12, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Wait, I thought Mittens was inevitable.

I am so glad we did nuke Japan. My sister’s father-in-law was slated to be part of the invasion, instead his life was spared and now my sister has a good husband and two great kids.

This guy is a perpetual college freshman: “hey man, wouldn’t it be great if we just taxes the rich a bit more, and if we apologized to the whole world everyone would love us.”

rbj on October 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM

This is exactly what Ron Paul would be doing, regardless if Foreign Leaders tell him its bad idea, in fantasy world he became President.

jp on October 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Japan is smarter than Obama.

What a creep Obama is!

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I think 52% of America should apologize to the world at large for electing this buffoon.

Key West Reader on October 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Well, I am still waiting for an apology from all of the Republicans who stayed home in 2008 because they wanted to “teach the Party a Lesson”. If they had held their noses and voted for McCain, we might not be where we are today.

Actually heard one of them calling in to Limbaugh yesterday-she said she and many of her Republican friends would stay home again next year if so-and-so was the nominee.

Stupid people like her are guaranteeing that O’bama will win re-election.

Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Obama has stopped bowing, mostly because so many world leaders want nothing to do with Obama.

Though, I hear the family of Samir Khan is available for bowing.

William Teach on October 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Just curious…and I don’t know the answer…did the Japanese ever, in fact, apologize for Pearl Harbor? I don’t need an apology, but just wondering.

neoavatara on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I don’t have a link but believe their version of Pearl Harbor history as taught to their schoolchildren is not wholly accurate. I’ve read this in a couple of places.

a capella on October 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Weeelllll…

… you just have to understand Obomwa to understand his actions.

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 12, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Just curious…and I don’t know the answer…did the Japanese ever, in fact, apologize for Pearl Harbor? I don’t need an apology, but just wondering.

Finally, just a few years ago, a Japanese official visited the annual Bataan Death March survivor memorial in Texas and apologized on behalf of his nation.

Few realize that the necessary surrender (only 10% of his starving and diseased troops could even lift a rifle) by General King was the largest surrender ever in the uSA military history and the defeat of Japan in the Phillipines by General Douglas MacArthur was the largest invasion in USA military history -larger than D-DAY.

Don L on October 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I wish he had. WWII veterans would have torn him to pieces upon his return. My 84 year old uncle would have beaten him to a pulp with his seven iron. In 1945 he was 18 years old and staged for the invasion of Japan when the bombs were dropped. And, credits them for saving his life and millions of Japanese.

SC.Charlie on October 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Followed soon by apologies to blacks for pretending to be black, Arabs for pretending to be Arabic and Muslim, the U.S. for pretending to be a moderate, Christian, and a citizen of the U.S., and even marginally capable of hitting his arse with either hand.

trl on October 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

she said she and many of her Republican friends would stay home again next year if so-and-so was the nominee.

Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

99% of these callers are lefty trolls.

faraway on October 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Dear Germany,

On behalf of the United States, I apologize for the damage we inflicted on that really cool fence you constructed along the French shoreline.

BobMbx on October 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

We’re sorry that we barged into that really cool Jewish recreational camp that you had set up. It was near Weimar. Lemmee think of its name…wait a minute…it started with a B…hang on…now I remember…you called it Buchenwald.
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annoyinglittletwerp on October 12, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Dear Japan,

Sorry we don’t buy enough Octopus porn.

lorien1973 on October 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Well, I am still waiting for an apology from all of the Republicans who stayed home in 2008 because they wanted to “teach the Party a Lesson”. If they had held their noses and voted for McCain, we might not be where we are today.

Yeah sure -as if driving off the grand Canyon slowly or quickly has a different result.

Don L on October 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Just curious…and I don’t know the answer…did the Japanese ever, in fact, apologize for Pearl Harbor? I don’t need an apology, but just wondering.

neoavatara on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

They tried to at the end of the US Occupation…Hirohito actually went to General MacArthur’s office to offer an apology.

Doug refused to see him.

Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Sorry USSR for collapsing that whole communist empire you had going on there. Sweet while it lasted, no? At least for those in power, know what I’m sayin’? – Obama

lorien1973 on October 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM

“he (Obama) has met with experts to learn “whose ass to kick kiss.”

tpitman on October 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Hey, what about Dresden?

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Ward Cleaver on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Herr Pat Buchanan thinks we should apologize. Buchanan also thinks that Hitler only started murdering Jews in response to France and Britain declaring war on Germany after Poland was attacked.
Consider the source.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM

We have nobody to blame but ourselves for this travesty of a POTUS. Start saving your pennies and get ready to support a conservative candidate in 2012.

NickDeringer on October 12, 2011 at 12:17 PM

The way it’s going he will win re-election, when a candle holder should beat him. Fools deserve no less.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Didn’t Obama say a while back that “the bomb” went off at
Pearl Harbor?

betsyz on October 12, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Can you imagine the lsm if a gop prez did this

cmsinaz on October 12, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Actually – and I hate to be the one to do this because I like your posts – but Republicans and Conservatives simply didn’t stay home in 2008.

Using figures from American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate, 36,600,000 voters identified as Republicans in 2004, and in 2008 between 36,305,000 and 36,880,000 of those who cast ballots described themselves as Republicans in 2008.

The difference was that Bush supplemented that base with a majority of independents, and McCain lost the independents badly.

Washington Nearsider on October 12, 2011 at 12:38 PM

The fact that the Japanese asked him not to apologize is fascinating.

SC.Charlie on October 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM

The Left is full of fools, with no sense of history and no perspective a sense of history would give them. All they know is what they so badly want to believe, truth be damned.

troyriser_gopftw on October 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM

The left has been so brainwashed they are embarassed by our nation and have learned not only to hate it, but to join in taking down the birthplace of freedom from arbitrary government control, and freedom to worship -or not.

Don L on October 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Obama wisely took Yabunaka’s advice and decided not to address the issue at all. The fact that the Japanese had to tell Obama to curtail his 2009 apology tour is both ironic and, well, appalling.

A good, descriptive paragraph. Although I can think of at least 20 more adjectives to describe how disgusting this is. Just unbelievable.

Communism is not the blind leading the blind…it’s the idiots, teaching how to be a bigger idiot.

capejasmine on October 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM

My Dad graduated from Flight Officer training in the Army Air Corps in July, 1945. Where do you suppose he would have headed if there was no bomb dropped? I’ll tell you — the Pacific theatre. And quite possibly shot down and killed. So, maybe, the dropping of “Little Boy” on Hiroshima saved my Dad’s life, and therefor, is the reason I’m alive.

And I think apologizing for Hiroshima is a truly awful idea. Naive, foolish. Stupid. It saved so many innocent lives. That’s Obama, America Last. Nothing special about America. And at times, American is downright evil. Actually I’d love to see an Obama apology, so people could see who he really is. A clueless fool.

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I just can’t relate to the liberal desire for symbolism over substance. What good is an apology from a president who had nothing to do with dropping the bombs, indeed wasn’t even born?

flyfisher on October 12, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Just curious…and I don’t know the answer…did the Japanese ever, in fact, apologize for Pearl Harbor? I don’t need an apology, but just wondering.

neoavatara on October 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Emperor Showa let it be known during the occupation that he was prepared to deliver an apology, but was rebuffed by MacArthur.

DarkCurrent on October 12, 2011 at 12:47 PM

and McCain lost the independents badly.

Washington Nearsider on October 12, 2011 at 12:38 PM

And after he tried so hard to reach out to them, too.

Missy on October 12, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Actually, the Japanese Vice Foreign Minister agreed to let Øbama apologize, but only if he left his Styrofoam pillars at home.

petefrt on October 12, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Because Japan’s “national sense of victimhood” is a manufactured political tool and not useful if undercut by an American apology that does nothing more than increase pressure on Japan to issue apologies for their 1930′s adventure. The Japanese are politically savvy enough to realize that having an American president apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki would immediately turn the rest of Asia upon them to demand (another) apology for comfort women and Nanjing.

The Japanese refuse to do this for reasons other than just a sense of national pride (which they have every right to have). First, it would damage Japanese control of the Southern Kuril Islands that have been occupied and claimed by Russia and the uninhabited Senkaku Islands that the Chinese (and Taiwanese) are trying to claim. Issuing an apology would undermine the legitimacy of Japanese ownership of the islands on both sides. If you want my reasons for both, it would require and essay I’m not prepared to write here.

Ed’s point on nuclear weapons would work for South Korea, but not Japan. It is politically unfeasible for Japan to pursue “nuclear deterrents” in any form. More likely, an apology from Obama would lead to a strengthening of support for Article 9 and make it more difficult for Japan to continue expanding the SDF and its own research on anti-missile technology.

Also, Japan has been lobbying for an FTA with the US for quite some time. Images of the Japanese praising Obama for apologizing over the atomic bombs would likely result in a backlash by American citizens and lessen support for any new trade contracts between America and Japan. The last thing Japan wants is another early 90s trade war with the US like they had under Clinton. Obama is clearly open to one as is seen by the misinformation pushed by GM and the administration about Toyota vehicle safety.

Lastly, the Japanese are astute enough to realize that Obama will not be in power forever and see no need to strain U.S.-Japan relations that were strengthened by Pres Bush and PM Koizumi. Furthermore, the Genbaku (atomic-bomb) generation is dying out and the younger generations don’t have the same perceptions and animosity that their parents and grandparents had toward the US.

Pattosensei on October 12, 2011 at 12:58 PM

The actions of this administration have been — Unprecedented

Koa on October 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM

I apologize to Japan for not having a third bomb.
Have the Japanese ever apologized for Pearl Harbor? Or Nanking?

Bevan on October 12, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Raff Out Roud

Bishop on October 12, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Every day is some new and scaldingly hot piece of nuttiness.

Here he is exposed as such an idiot that only our allies were able talk him down of the ledge, since no one in the administration can do it, and that reflects particularly badly on VP-to-be Hillary Clinton.

MTF on October 12, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Artie Fufkin comes to mind.

Christien on October 12, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Now I’m just confused. I’m going with the explanation where Obama is an azz.

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Before anyone apologizes to Japan for any of our actions during WWII, they need to visit some of the battleground sites in the south Pacific, where we took on one of the most savage fighting forces of all time. Particularly, Obama needs to visit the American Cemetery in Manila, and Corregidor before apologizes to anyone we fought to preserve our freedom.

simkeith on October 12, 2011 at 1:49 PM

I apologize to Japan for not having a third bomb.
Have the Japanese ever apologized for Pearl Harbor? Or Nanking?

Bevan on October 12, 2011 at 1:21 PM

We had plenty of other A-bombs coming off the assembly line. What would you have done with them? Nuke Japan again after they surrendered? Maybe drop a few on Berlin, Munich, and Hamburg for good measure? I heard those Nazis weren’t particularly nice guys either.

fiatboomer on October 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Funny how this story was easily believable.

If you said that Reagan was going to apologize, 99.99999999999% of people would have said BS.

Oil Can on October 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I’d like to see a Republican go to Mexico and, with great fanfair, apologize for the Obama administration’s killing of at least 200 Mexican citizens with their Fast & Furious program.

RJL on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I want President Barack Hussein Obama to bow as deep as he possibly can, until the top of his head touches the red carpet if possible, while standing subservient before the Emperor of Japan, the Prime Minister of Japan, and the entire National Diet of Japan in a televised live grandiose apology for the actions of America taken against Japan to put a decisive end to World War II. It would be a supremely marvelous spectacle to behold.

The fact that President Barack Hussein Obama has even considered doing such a thing is marvelous in itself… but I want the whole American Spring roll.

FlatFoot on October 12, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Don L on October 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Actually True Bushido was not the problem, it was just the excuse. A true warrior would not have demeaned himself by committing the atrocities that the Japanese military took so much delight in during WWII.

The military dictatorship of WWII Japan was built on brutality. The Japanese enlisted personal were victims as well, and like abused children they often expressed their rage on others when given the chance.

Given the (optimist to wildly optimistic) projected Japanese casualties of invading the Japanese home islands, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved Japanese lives by the millions. The only real regret is that we did not destroy the Japanese culture because of the A-bombs.

Slowburn on October 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM

The only real regret is that we did not destroy the Japanese culture because of the A-bombs.

Slowburn on October 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Huh?

DarkCurrent on October 12, 2011 at 3:38 PM

When’s he going to apologize for what his administration has done to us?

John Deaux on October 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Funny how this story was easily believable.

If you said that Reagan was going to apologize, 99.99999999999% of people would have said BS.

Oil Can on October 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Welcome to the age of the internet where truth comes from blog posts and some people will trumpet it as fact in future threads.

DarkCurrent on October 12, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Slowburn and Bevan are slugs.

The ignorance about the end of WW2 irt Japan, MaCarthur’s role, and the bombs is sad. You have lived there and know more than most I would suspect.

Bradky on October 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM

japanese war crimes went well beyond ‘comfort women’. the rape of nanking( even nazis living in nanking complained to hitler about japanese barbarism) and heinous medical experiments on the chinese population that rivaled those of mengele (they let plague and other diseases into the ‘ wild’ and performed experiments as if they were butchering hogs not performing medical experiments on actual human beings.). the japanese rulers were as race conscious as the nazis and their constructed sense of national identity revolved around many of the same hateful,vicious ideologies. america let them slide because we needed a base close to the major cold war powers ( japan spent the end of the war being toyed with by the ussr whom they thought was going to help them fight america) and, perhaps somewhat, european victims of these totalitarian regimes were more readily identified with by countries largely made up of and ruled by western europeans . westerners felt free to make japan over into mirror of themselves-maybe negating their war crimes was thought to make the enemy somewhat less resentful and more pliant.

and what about the bataan death march, the treatment of allied POWs, pearl harbor? while we’re setting the world straight with the social justices. oh, forgot- that justice only goes one way- against america.

the japanese aren’t stupid-the chinese historically loathe them and are now in a position of incredible power . no matter what azz clown is POTUS, pissing off american popular opinion would not be advantageous nor wise.

many japanese ‘ warriors’, particularly the pilots were high on methamphetamine, first synthesized in japan. they were like true bushido methheads- how impressive and nobel. the SS also viewed themselves as teutonic knights in the same sort of religious warrior cult of superiors.(the SS was structured based upon the Jesuit order.). casting it as some sacred tradition marred by the few ignores the actual scope of their depravations, the piles of their unarmed victims and the totalitarian and racist views that were the base of the beliefs and motivations of their nations. knights and bushido warriors are romanticized myths of particular cultures that have never existed in the forms people tend to admire.

mittens on October 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM

mittens on October 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM

I get the sense you’re quite ignorant of Japanese culture and history prior to 1941, at least. Did the Chinese loathe them for the centuries Japan was at peace both internally and externally, before Western imperialist powers, including the US, used military force to compel them to adapt?

DarkCurrent on October 13, 2011 at 2:19 AM

Obama apologizing for the “A” bomb would be urinating on the graves of 4,000,000 military deaths

DSchoen on October 13, 2011 at 3:08 AM

US, used military force to compel them to adapt?
DarkCurrent on October 13, 2011 at 2:19 AM

how did we use military force to compel them to adapt? Adapt to what?

DSchoen on October 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM

how did we use military force to compel them to adapt? Adapt to what?

DSchoen on October 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM

The US sent warships steaming into Edo Bay (modern Tokyo Bay) to insist under threat of violence that Japan accept various demands.

See here for a summary of events leading to Japan becoming a modern imperialist power.

DarkCurrent on October 13, 2011 at 4:30 AM

Wait, I thought Mittens was inevitable.

I am so glad we did nuke Japan. My sister’s father-in-law was slated to be part of the invasion, instead his life was spared and now my sister has a good husband and two great kids.

This guy is a perpetual college freshman: “hey man, wouldn’t it be great if we just taxes the rich a bit more, and if we apologized to the whole world everyone would love us.”

rbj on October 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM

This is one of the more silly claims people like to insert about the war. There is no way to prove that the relative would have been killed – higher risk yes.
It is a bit insulting to the thousands of US casualties that really did occur. Many of those people didn’t get the opportunity to marry and have kids.
Quit trying to insert perceived drama or karma into your life. Honor the ones who really did give all.

Bradky on October 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM