Lightning strikes twice: Cain 27, Romney 23, Perry 16, Paul 11

posted at 9:38 pm on October 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

In case you thought the PPP poll was a fluke, rest assured that he really is the frontrunner now.

In the previous survey, conducted in late August, Perry led the field at 38 percent, Romney stood at 23 percent, while Cain was at only 5 percent.

Cain’s numbers are sky-high among Republican primary voters. Fifty-two percent view him favorably, versus just 6 percent who see him unfavorably. Among Tea Party supporters, his favorable/unfavorable score is 69 percent to 5 percent. And among Republicans who identify themselves as “very conservative,” it’s 72 percent to 2 percent.

In follow-up interviews with respondents supporting Cain, they argue that he’s not a politician, and that he seems real. “He has common-sense answers and is in touch with the heartbeat of America,” said one respondent, a 46-year-old male from Florida…

Despite Cain’s rise and Perry’s fall over the past month and a half, Romney’s standing in the Republican horse race hasn’t changed—it was 23 percent in August, and it’s unchanged at 23 percent now.

Perry’s lost 22 points since the last poll — and not a single one went to Romney. That’s how reluctant base voters are to back him over some other conservative in the field. The good news for Romney is that he still has an electability argument against Perry. His favorables are 27/29 overall and he trails Obama by just two points head-to-head. Perry’s favorables are 19/36(!) and O leads him by an even dozen, 51/39, in a hypothetical match-up; Perry also trailed Obama by double digits in Rasmussen’s latest poll released this morning. (Cain’s favorables are 24/18 but, being mostly unknown, he trails Obama 49/38.) More interesting are the numbers for Romney and Perry among Republican voters. Mitt, the great RINO flip-flopper, has a favorable rating of 51/16 compared to just 43/23 for Perry. Even Gingrich, at 49/23, does better than that. Romney also beats Perry head-to-head, 54/39, and incredibly leads him ever so slightly when Republicans are asked how much a candidate shares their position on the issues. Here’s Romney’s line on that:

The first column is the number who rate him as “very good” (5 on a scale of 5), the second column is 4 on a scale of 5, etc. Here’s Perry’s line:

Amazing given that the whole reason Perry got into the race was because the base wanted a “Not Romney” who … shared their positions on the issues! Even more inexplicably, compare how Perry’s key vulnerability fares among Republicans with Romney’s key vulnerability. The “Ponzi scheme” rhetoric is no problem — in the primary, that is:

What is a problem, despite Chris Christie’s insistence that it’s intellectually dishonest to compare RomneyCare to ObamaCare, are health-care mandates at the state level. Here’s how primary voters responded when asked, respectively, whether a particular position makes them much more likely, somewhat more likely, somewhat less likely, or much less likely to vote for a candidate:

And here’s what they said about Romney specifically:

Not only is this issue toxic with Republicans, it’s become more toxic over the past three months — and yet Romney still clobbers Perry head to head. I wonder why. Could … this explain it? (Again, the columns represent much/somewhat more likely and somewhat/much less likely.)

Given Perry’s trajectory, the only path he has now to the nomination is by completely backing into it. Cain has to implode somehow, possibly by showing that he has less of a grasp on the issues than Perry (which wouldn’t be easy at this point), and then Perry would have to convince wary Republicans that Romney’s health-care heresy is so grave that it’s worth nominating him even though Romney’s better liked by the general electorate and almost certainly more electable against Obama. Good luck.

There’s actually quite a bit of good news for Obama in this poll too — the public supports his jobs bill, 63/32, supports raising taxes on “the wealthy” and corporations, 64/31, and supports Occupy Wall Street 38/17 — but I want to end on a positive note so I’ll leave you with two encouraging data points. One: On the question of whether people “feel comfortable” with Romney and don’t worry that his Mormonism will influence his decisions, the split among the general public is 47/21. Among Republicans, it’s 66/13. And two: You know that Mediscare campaign that Democrats are preparing to roll out next fall? It’s not as much of a winner as they might wish. Behold the results when voters are asked whether the issue would make them much/somewhat more likely to vote for a candidate or somewhat/much less:

Paul Ryan 1, Obama 0?

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Oh, but he mentioned Greenspan, so kiss of death or something.

John the Libertarian on October 12, 2011 at 9:39 PM

I thought his campaign was over when he allegedly threw the race card on Perry.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Oh, and his nan-nan-nan plan introduces a sales tax, which we’ve never heard of, or something.

John the Libertarian on October 12, 2011 at 9:41 PM

So basically it’s anybody’s race.

gophergirl on October 12, 2011 at 9:41 PM

You know who this doesn’t help?

Good Solid B-Plus on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Someone had a link earlier to someone who wrote that the GOP will be passing Ryan’s plan in 2013 if they get the house/senate and that all we need from the president is a functional hand to sign it with. Got that link, by chance?

lorien1973 on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Uh, I hope you people know what you are doing….

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Paul Ryan 1, Obama 0?

Paul Ryan won, Obama Zero.

Electrongod on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Breaking: Perry has just come out with his federal tax plan…he calls it the 10-10-10 plan. I am not sure where he got the idea…/

d1carter on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

bruh’man smiles!

I shall enjoy this day, and each additional one, that Herman Cain is the front runner.

BruthaMan on October 12, 2011 at 9:43 PM

I wish someone would’ve called him out on his explanation of TARP. I thought, “That’s it? Everyone is just going to let him get away with this “communism is great but the problem with how it is implemented” line?”

But then I realized most of the people up there voted for it too.

Notorious GOP on October 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Looking at Perry at the debates is a lot like looking at a fish out of water. Sad.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Breaking: Perry has just come out with his federal tax plan…he calls it the 10-10-10 plan. I am not sure where he got the idea…/

d1carter on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

After two months as a candidate, he’s not come out with any plan. That’s part of the reason he’s plummeting.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

So barring a screwup at the CNN debate next Tuesday, Cain is likely to emerge as the top “Not Romney” candidate heading into the primaries. I look for Perry to exit either before Iowa or shortly thereafter. He’s done.

Doughboy on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Breaking: Perry has just come out with his federal tax plan…he calls it the 10-10-10 plan. I am not sure where he got the idea…/

d1carter on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

The Romney acolytes are wondering what’s stopping that from being a 10-10-321 plan.

/that joke’s a decade old

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Uh, I hope you people know what you are doing….

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

What gave you that idea?

sharrukin on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Breaking: Perry has just come out with his federal tax plan…he calls it the 10-10-10 plan. I am not sure where he got the idea…/

d1carter on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

His 10-10-10 plan is probably for 10 feet of fence, 10 border patrol guards and 10 tacos in every pot.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Breaking: Perry has just come out with his federal tax plan…he calls it the 10-10-10 plan. I am not sure where he got the idea…/

d1carter on October 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

The price of pizza in the near future.
Flip those numbers upside down…
Whoa…

Electrongod on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Uh, Allah? I think there needs to be some more reference points on that last graph. What do the numbers correspond to?

John the Libertarian on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Romney has screwed the pooch by the way his team as rigged the primary process. He’s going to get attacked hard as soon as it’s known no one else can get into the race.

ninjapirate on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

I look for Perry to exit either before Iowa or shortly thereafter. He’s done.

Doughboy on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Yeah, I agree. Perry was not prepared to run as president, plain and simple. He’s being smoked by a relative political novice. Pitiful.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 9:48 PM

* run FOR president, I should’ve said.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Godfather of Supply-Side Economics Supports Cain’s ’9-9-9′ Plan


As businessman Herman Cain​ surges atop state and national polls and becomes a top-tier presidential contender, his signature “9-9-9″ plan, which calls for a nine percent tax on income, a nine percent national sales tax, and a nine percent corporate income tax, has come under scrutiny from the right and the left.

Famed supply-side economist Art Laffer​ told HUMAN EVENTS that Cain’s “9-9-9″ plan was a pro-growth plan that would create the proper conditions for America’s economy to grow and thrive again.

“Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be a vast improvement over the current tax system and a boon to the U.S. economy,” Laffer told HUMAN EVENTS in a statement. “The goal of supply-side tax reform is always a broadening of the tax base and lowering of marginal tax rates.”

Added Laffer: “Mr. Cain’s plan is simple, transparent, neutral with respect to capital and labor, and savings and consumption, and also greatly decreases the hidden costs of tax compliance. There is no doubt that economic growth would surge upon implementation of 9-9-9.”

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Cain/West/2012!

Catch the Fever!

canopfor on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Knucklehead rejoices. :-)

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Romney has screwed the pooch by the way his team as rigged the primary process. He’s going to get attacked hard as soon as it’s known no one else can get into the race.

ninjapirate on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

That’s now. Christie and Palin slammed the door shut. The field is the field, and all we can do now is take bets on who quits first.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

What gave you that idea?

sharrukin on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Le gulp.

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

BTW, don’t sleep on Newt. There’s a great white paper on his site about 50+ years of Judicial overreach and how he would change it as President using strictly Constitutional measures.

http://www.newt.org/contract/legislative-proposals

It’s nearly all the way down the page. A direct link is:

http://www.newt.org/sites/newt.org/files/Courts.pdf

But the whole page about his 10 point legislative plan re: the new Contract with America is worth reading.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I’m curious. If Romney/Cain was out team going against Obama. Would the Obamatons call them both racist?

Zaggs on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

That’s now. Christie and Palin slammed the door shut. The field is the field, and all we can do now is take bets on who quits first.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

So did Giuliani, I think. There went Perry’s only hope.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Mitt, the great RINO flip-flopper, has a favorable rating of 51/16 compared to just 43/23 for Perry.

I think Mitt’s cautiousness is keeping his favorable rating high. He doesn’t play too risky and doesn’t stick his neck out too much. I could be wrong…

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Obama, Axelrod, Jarrett, Cornel West, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Keith Ellison, Rev. Wright, Jackson Jr., Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-lee, Morgan Freeman, Samuel Jackson, Kanye West, Russell Simmons, etc. and every other race hustling douchebag out there just collectively SH*T their pants!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JAM on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

out=our in my last post

Zaggs on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

These Romney numbers scare the hell out of me. He’s going to get the nomination, and Republican enthusiasm for him is just non-existent. In an election in which turnout will be everything, Romney will not be able to turn out voters. With Romney at the top of the ticket, Obama will probably win N.C., Virginia, and Florida, and that’s the whole thing.

Rational Thought on October 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Love it, No Romney!

bluemarlin on October 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Klaus Nomi – Lightning Strikes
*******************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VelGCEqtVbQ

(sarc).

canopfor on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

JAM on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You forgot Brother Tavis Smiley and Harry Belafonte.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Not only is this issue toxic with Republicans, it’s become more toxic over the past three months — and yet Romney still clobbers Perry head to head. I wonder why.

Because Perry’s not the formidable Mitt-killing juggernaut he was advertised to be.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

So, so far we have:

1.) Mitt Romney’s endorsement of Cain.

2.) Nicolle Wallace’s endorsement of Cain.

3.) Art Laffer’s endorsement of Cain.

I suppose we will get Moaning Joe’s endorsement tomorrow and then will wake up to the inevitable Romney/Cain ’12 ticket.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Knucklehead rejoices. :-)

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

As does bruh’man.

My sympathies. I’m sure you must be devastated.

BruthaMan on October 12, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Perry flameout.

He can’t run with the big dogs.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I`m willing to bet it`s going to be Romney/Cain: 2012 and I`d be fine with that. It`ll leave us with an opportunity for another wide open contest in 2020…….. I`m thinking Haley/Rubio: 2020.

ThePrez on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

That’s now. Christie and Palin slammed the door shut. The field is the field, and all we can do now is take bets on who quits first.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Pretty much. I think there might be a week left(maybe two tops) if someone with some pull has a sudden change of heart. I doubt it happens though.

ninjapirate on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I think Mitt’s cautiousness is keeping his favorable rating high. He doesn’t play too risky and doesn’t stick his neck out too much. I could be wrong…

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

The man never sticks his neck out, heck he probably won’t even take a position Elvis, dead or alive?

bluemarlin on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

2.) Nicolle Wallace’s endorsement of Cain.

3.) Art Laffer’s endorsement of Cain.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

I watched that interview and Nicolle Wallace did not endorse Cain.
Stop with the lies, Flame.

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I wonder if the “Perry can go all the way” boosters are happy that he’s now jockeying for third with RuPaul.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

This is what we are getting with Mitt Romney.

No way that beats Obama.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

I suppose we will get Moaning Joe’s endorsement tomorrow and then will wake up to the inevitable Romney/Cain ’12 ticket.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Great. Another election in which we’ll have to rely on the bottom of the ticket to gin up Republican enthusiasm. That worked really well last time.

“Here’s our sh!tty candidate — and another person we like better but didn’t give the nomination to. Now get out there and vote!”

Rational Thought on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

You forgot Brother Tavis Smiley and Harry Belafonte.

KingGold

You are correct sir! I was premature and over-excited! The list is hardly comprehensive and barely scratches the surface of sharters over this poll!! LOL!!

JAM on October 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

She did and so did the other lady. They love Herman Cain. They know Herman is going to hand Romney South Carolina by the time the primary rolls around and enough people are turned off by his ignorance and national sales tax plan.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM

This was meant to happen. Cain is the “tea party” candidate and nobody can tell why. He’ll block any other conservative from emerging while he himself doesn’t have the time or resources to win anything. Hand over the nomination to Romney and maybe he’ll get a nice perch somewhere.

promachus on October 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Hey, that’s not fair. I was also an independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. (I was a toddler, after all.)

I don’t want to return to Reagan/Bush! (Again, because I was a toddler.)

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM

His 10-10-10 plan is probably for 10 feet of fence, 10 border patrol guards and 10 tacos in every pot.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM

… or 10 illegals in every garage.

Perry had several problems: 1) he is not that bright; 2) his inability to debate and 3) his belief that people across think like Texans (particularly regarding illegal aliens) and want to be like Texans.

bw222 on October 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Perry’s lost 22 points since the last poll — and not a single one went to Romney.

The best part of AP’s post.

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM

I’m curious. If Romney/Cain was out team going against Obama. Would the Obamatons call them both racist?

Zaggs on October 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Well, duh. If that were the ticket, it could only be because poor Herman Cain has fallen victim to the Stockholm Syndrome and begun identifying with his oppressor, Mitt Romney.

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM

This is what we are getting with Mitt Romney.

No way that beats Obama.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Very disturbing. He’s a smooth talker.

BruthaMan on October 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM

This was meant to happen. Cain is the “tea party” candidate and nobody can tell why. He’ll block any other conservative from emerging while he himself doesn’t have the time or resources to win anything. Hand over the nomination to Romney and maybe he’ll get a nice perch somewhere.

promachus on October 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Yup.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Hey, that’s not fair. I was also an independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. (I was a toddler, after all.)

I don’t want to return to Reagan/Bush! (Again, because I was a toddler.)

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Haha

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM

He’ll flame out.

changer1701 on October 12, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Speaking of Cain!
—————–

ABC Identifies Herman Cain as ‘Pizza Man’,,,
Added: 8 hours ago Occurred On: Oct-12-2011
********************************************

How Many Businesses Obama Ran Before the Liberal-Terrorists Made Him President?
*****************

A transcript of the October 12 segment, which aired at 7:04am EDT, follows:
(More…)
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14d_1318440905

***Pizza Man’s Surge in the Race Screenshots,from ABC News,
are at the end,of transcript!**

canopfor on October 12, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I wonder if the “Perry can go all the way” boosters are happy that he’s now jockeying for third with RuPaul.

KingGold on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

9-9-9 OMG it’s dangerous, what will we ever do??? 9-9-9 will raise my taxes by trillions, OMG he must be stopped!! Danger! Danger! Race Card! Race Card!

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM

This is what we are getting with Mitt Romney.

No way that beats Obama.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

carbon_footprintIf Romney is anywhere near Cain,as VP,or
gawd forbid,vicey-versey,it’ll be toxic!:)

canopfor on October 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM

This was meant to happen. Cain is the “tea party” candidate and nobody can tell why. He’ll block any other conservative from emerging while he himself doesn’t have the time or resources to win anything. Hand over the nomination to Romney and maybe he’ll get a nice perch somewhere.

promachus on October 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM
Yup.

Punchenko on October 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I’ve got my doubts, obs., but I’m still firmly in the ABO camp.

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Nicolle Wallace’s endorsement of Cain

I won’t call Nicolle a whore because I don’t want to elevate her status or denegrate the “ladies of the evening.”

Watch your back, Herman.

bw222 on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Too bad he’s only running for vice president.

rrpjr on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Too bad he’s only running for vice president.

rrpjr on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Heeeeeeeeyyyyyyy-oh, Johnny!

cynccook on October 12, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Mmmm, naan naan naan…

playblu on October 12, 2011 at 10:08 PM

I’m not a Romney fan at all and I hate these early primaries and having Iowa and New Hampshire decide our candidate but if it is Romney I will absolutely support him enthusiastically to get Obama out of office.

ldbgcoleman on October 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I dunno. Watched that video AP provided on the other thread comparing Cain’s and Newt’s respnoses to the present Iranian situation and how best to handle it. Cain is really amateurish and oversimplistic in his approach to a lot of problems.

a capella on October 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

I really, really miss Palin.

Rather have a 10-10-10 in the race than a 9-9-9!

huckleberryfriend on October 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

I won’t call Nicolle a whore because I don’t want to elevate her status or denegrate the “ladies of the evening.”

Watch your back, Herman.

bw222 on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

She didn’t endorse him, she praised him but said she was comfortable with Mitt Romney.

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Nicolle Wallace’s endorsement of Cain

I won’t call Nicolle a whore because I don’t want to elevate her status or denegrate the “ladies of the evening.”

Watch your back, Herman.

bw222 on October 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Pie-faced whore….dang. Poor Herman. She got her rino slime on him.

HornetSting on October 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

It looks like history is repeating itself. George Romney had the nomination locked up according to all the pundits during the pre-primary season in 1967. But then he ran his mouth off during a talk show hosted by Lou Gordon a Detroit TV personality with a muck racking rep (Eerily Charley Rose picked up his time slot several years later). He made a comment about being “brainwashed” in regards to the War in Vietnam. The media seized on it and by the time the smoke cleared it was Nixon in 1968. See the link below for the Wiki entry.

mandalis on October 12, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Cain is picking up the wayward Palin supporters now looking for a new home. Obviously not everyone is gravitating to him, but I think many are. He was right when he said he was the natural alternative. He’s the most fiscally conservative and charismatic in the bunch (tho that isn’t saying much).

NoLeftTurn on October 12, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Romney supporters, I repeat, watch this 8 minute video of nothing but Mitt Romney stating his positions and then changing them.

Is this what you think will beat Obama? No way. Besides, many people here have claimed that they would sit out this election rather then voting for Romney. He will be a disaster.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Again, was this poll before or after the debate?

Sekhmet on October 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Who is the puppet master that tells these flakes who to support in lockstep from week to week? I suspect these are the same people who were the Trump supporters a couple of months ago.

Buddahpundit on October 12, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Again, was this poll before or after the debate?

Sekhmet on October 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Great question.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Again, was this poll before or after the debate?

Sekhmet on October 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM

I think its from Oct 6th.

sharrukin on October 12, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Anytime you cite a poll, AllahP, care to mention the dates over which it was conducted? Might be laziness but I hate having to go find out from the link.

Now this poll was conducted from Oct. 6 – 10 just before the debate. Same as the PPP poll.

So before the Cainiacs go off on another 9-9-9-gasm, can we wait to see how Cain performs in the next set of polls after he undergoes his current scrutiny?

:)

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Romney supporters, I repeat, watch this 8 minute video of nothing but Mitt Romney stating his positions and then changing them.
carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Cain’s isn’t that long yet, but it will be after few more debates. Very likable but seriously flawed candidate. His 999 Plan will have him tied in knots once he releases details.

huckleberryfriend on October 12, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Cain’s isn’t that long yet, but it will be after few more debates. Very likable but seriously flawed candidate. His 999 Plan will have him tied in knots once he releases details.

huckleberryfriend on October 12, 2011 at 10:17 PM

I agree, especially after his performance at last night’s debate. The Alan Greenspan comment makes me pause. This, after giving money to his campaign last week.

However, unless he is actually teaming up with Romney, he is still much better than Romney. All of the candidates are.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Godfather of Supply-Side Economics Supports Cain’s ’9-9-9′ Plan

As businessman Herman Cain​ surges atop state and national polls and becomes a top-tier presidential contender, his signature “9-9-9″ plan, which calls for a nine percent tax on income, a nine percent national sales tax, and a nine percent corporate income tax, has come under scrutiny from the right and the left.

Famed supply-side economist Art Laffer​ told HUMAN EVENTS that Cain’s “9-9-9″ plan was a pro-growth plan that would create the proper conditions for America’s economy to grow and thrive again.

Maybe that’s why it was called Godfather’s Pizza.

Steve Z on October 12, 2011 at 10:20 PM

This is what we are getting with Mitt Romney.

No way that beats Obama.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Devastating. I honestly do not know how a human being can be so utterly devoid of any personal convictions.

Rational Thought on October 12, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Someone had a link earlier to someone who wrote that the GOP will be passing Ryan’s plan in 2013

This is the same GOP which agreed to $1.5T deficit spending this year and allowing Bush’s tax cut on the rich to expire?

elfman on October 12, 2011 at 10:21 PM

The man never sticks his neck out, heck he probably won’t even take a position Elvis, dead or alive?

bluemarlin on October 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Romney on Elvis 10-13-11 – Dead most definitely dead.

Romney on Elvis 11-10-11 – Alive and kicking and living large with MassCare.

Romney on Elvis 12-10-11 – Not really sure, internal polling is leaning towards dead.

Sounds like Romney to me.

And if you think he is dead, you don’t children to have healthcare and you are mean.

kringeesmom on October 12, 2011 at 10:22 PM

This is what we are getting with Mitt Romney.

No way that beats Obama.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Devastating. I honestly do not know how a human being can be so utterly devoid of any personal convictions.

Rational Thought on October 12, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Yep, and he had the audacity to comment last night about standing on conservative principles. Just amazing.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:23 PM

And if you think he is dead, you don’t children to have healthcare and you are mean.

kringeesmom on October 12, 2011 at 10:22 PM

heh! Is “mean” worser than “heartless”??

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 10:24 PM

However, unless he is actually teaming up with Romney, he is still much better than Romney. All of the candidates are.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Remember how all the candidates were better than another liberal republican 4 years ago, but they split the conservative vote and all lost? That can’t possibly happen again…

elfman on October 12, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Godfather of Supply-Side Economics Supports Cain’s ’9-9-9′ Plan

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 9:48 PM

From a comment at that article, another country’s experience with a national sales tax:

Just a comment from The Great White North, where we do have a national sales tax (called the GST.) The temptation for politicians to milk it like a cash cow is countered by the political popularity of cutting it. Our tax used to be 6%. It was reduced by the Conservative government to 5%, with possible future cuts pending. I wouldn’t be overly worried about Cain’s 9% tax being increased any time soon.

The biggest problem with it is exemptions. Somebody is always demanding an exemption of some class of goods for some supposedly good reason (e.g. baby food, bicycles, books, donuts, whatever.) On the whole, though, this hasn’t been too hard to manage.

Mmmmm… DONUTS. Love those Canadians.

fred5678 on October 12, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Obama will not beat Cain, and if Cain picks Rubio for VP, they win at least 30 states and its not close.

Romney is the only one of the three that could lose to Obama. The only way Obama wins is if conservatives dont show up, and Romney is the only one who has that effect on them. You add Obamneycare and the negating of health care as an issue and Romney will have a tough time winning.

I always hear about Romney’s “electability”, but that is a bulls**t term. All it means is that a few Democrats say nice things about him…now…..and those same Democrats will vote for Obama in the end. Romney is a nightmare candidate for the GOP. Imagine him giving his big acceptance speech at the convention right after every other speaker used their speech to condemn a bunch of stuff that defines his whole political existence. Not good.

Cain is our shot. Ive been on the Cain train from the beginning and he has always seemed like a winner. He has some nuances to learn about the political game but i trust his judgment and dont care if he says a few things that dont come out right in sound bites.

I suggest we ignore anyone telling us about Romney’s “electability” and remind them how strong Conservative, Reagan destroyed a big liberal, while Mr. Moderate, John McCain, got whooped by the biggest liberal ever to hold the office.

Conservatism is electable, and Herman Cain is conservative.

alecj on October 12, 2011 at 10:27 PM

the only lift that BHO is going to get on his ticket is if he dumps biden for some other stupid sucker that the dems will swoon over…
evan bayh comes to mind but I thought the burned a bridge or two ( a bridge that probably could use some stimulus funds IYKWIM)

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 10:27 PM

heh! Is “mean” worser than “heartless”??

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 10:24 PM

No mean is Romney’s way of speaking to those of us who don’t really understand what he is saying because we are too stupid.

kringeesmom on October 12, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Alright people lets get a hold of ourselves here. Cain’s 999 plan may meet Laffer’s approval, but it still introduces both a VAT and a National Sales Tax in addition to an Income Tax and he still has a long way to go on Foreign Policy considering the mangled response he gave on Greta in regards to the Iranian terror plot.

To me 999 is nein, nein, nein.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2011 at 10:28 PM

the wild card on each ticket is the VP. If Obama continues w/ Joe Bubba “Stand up and let ‘em see ya, Chuck” Biden….then, close the doors and turn off the lights fellas….she’s done.

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 10:28 PM

That can’t possibly happen again…

elfman on October 12, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Let us pray not. That would be the end of the USA, I am afraid.

carbon_footprint on October 12, 2011 at 10:28 PM

allahP; small ‘taters but these columns on the figures are not labeled.

ted c on October 12, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Of course more than one poll will show him hovering at the 30% mark, isn’t it like the third or fourth to do so? Several showed the same number for Trump in April, several showed the same number for Perry in September. Cain’s numbers will take an enormous nose-dive in the next week or two when people realize he’s a one-trick-pony whose every answer is “999″ or “you’ll know my answer AFTER I’m elected”.

Romney once said that he keeps weathering these hurricanes. This is just one more. Perry though will make a comeback. It began last night.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 12, 2011 at 10:31 PM

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