Is Perry finished?

posted at 10:05 am on October 12, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

That question comes to us from Byron York, but it’s probably being asked around many a breakfast table this morning among Republican households.  Last night’s debate performance was another disappointment — not as bad as Rick Perry’s previous debate, but clearly inadequate in comparison to the others on the stage.  If you don’t trust my judgment, let me refer you to an expert:

After the debate, Perry seemed to concede that he wasn’t looking to stand out.

“I just try to get up every day and do my job, and debates are not my strong suit,” the Texas governor told reporters following a post-debate party at a Dartmouth fraternity house.

Keep that in mind while reading Byron’s critique:

 If Tuesday night’s debate had really been a make-or-break test, then Rick Perry’s candidacy would be broken.  Of course, Perry is still in the race, and he has time — though not a lot — to recover.  He also has a lot of money, about $15 million, to buy television advertising that could both bolster his image and tear down Romney’s.  Carney says the campaign will air TV ads soon — he won’t say precisely when — but vows most will be positive ads introducing Perry to voters.

Compounding the bad news for Perry was the fact that Romney had another strong night.  Talk to Republicans who don’t like Romney, who would like to see a serious conservative emerge to challenge Romney, and they still concede that the former Massachusetts governor seems in full command of himself, his program, and his performance.  Romney has participated in six Republican debates this year, and despite his obvious weaknesses — the greatest being his Massachusetts universal health care plan — he has not suffered any serious setbacks. And on Tuesday night, in particular, he was riding high, having announced earlier in the day that he had received the endorsement of popular New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. …

David Carney, the top Perry aide, believes it still is.  “Ultimately, the battle for the nomination will be, I think, between Mitt Romney and someone else,” David Carney said after the debate.  “Our goal is to make us that someone else.”

The question after Tuesday night is whether Perry did anything at the debate to make progress toward that goal.  The answer — best expressed by Perry’s own “not my strong suit” comment — appears to be no.

So then the question is really this: how much do debates matter?  After all, Perry seems to handle all other aspects of campaigning superbly.  He raises money by the bucketload and uses it efficiently, with a very low burn rate.  He is expert at retail politicking of the kind that the Midwest and South demand.  Perry handles himself well in interviews, although we haven’t yet seen a major network interview yet.  On top of that, he has the Texas job record on which to run, although certainly with enough issues from eleven years of running Texas to rightly concern small-government advocates — but those voters would certainly see him as a better alternative than Mitt Romney on those points, too.

I’d guess that debates matter, matter significantly, and probably more than they should.  Presidents don’t engage in formal debates in their four-year terms unless running for re-election, after all, but they do give voters a sense of whether a candidate has enough command of issues and rhetoric to succeed in Washington.  It comes down to confidence and trust, and voters will not have much confidence in a candidate who bumbles through a series of debates.  Perry could be a member of Mensa and that would still not eliminate the perception that he’s just not intellectually up to the task of discussing policy after these last three debates.  Not even $15 million will erase that perception at this point, no matter how many positive ads Team Perry runs — ads which should already have been running, by the way.

That money isn’t meaningless, at least not yet.  Perry has a debate in six days that could repair some of the damage done already, but his time is running out.  And if he himself doesn’t have confidence in his ability to debate the issues toe to toe with Romney, Cain, and the other Republicans, then perhaps we know how this will turn out already.

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Poll: Obama 49, Perry 35

idesign on October 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM
Poll: Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney All Beat Obama

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Thanks for posting that. It’s interesting in that it’s a different kind of polling with different comparisons.

Since you support Cain, have you taken a real good look at that 999 plan? There are some very troubling aspects to what that National Sales Tax will do and what it taxes. Food for one thing.
We’ve never had a National Sales Tax before and some articles I’ve read are saying it’s more in line with a VAT tax the way it would be applied.

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:16 PM

That is how good Romney is at this. Sadly, we don’t have a conservative candidate that is willing to accommodate the moderates, so we are stuck with Romney.

csdeven on October 12, 2011 at 1:26 PM

And he ran away from the toughest, but maybe one of the most important issues…Europe and Greece.
One of the weakest answers given by any candidate on a major topic…he basically showed what he is made of, he voted “present”.
That alone should have raised red flags, he either doesn’t understand international economics, isn’t tuned into what is happening in Europe, or he was afraid to answer…since his answer would not have been a “conservative” answer, he ducked and ran…typical.

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Bill C on October 12, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Being against Perry doesn’t make someone a “Mittbot”.

Nor does it address that Perry is, in fact, a lot more RINOish than his supporters like to admit.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I agree with capejasmine. The big O is great at speaking, speechifying, debating, telepromtomizing, etc. and where has that got us?

Mittens is good at debating, fixing his hair, and that’s about it.

While I agree debating does correlate with how thoroughly a candidate has thought through his/her/its(don’t want to offend anybody) policy ideas, it can also just show debating skill to the exclusion of actual ability to govern and execute.

Perry is a pretty bad debater – given. But, is that all there is?

Pablo Snooze on October 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM

It seems the real narrative is Perry should stop being a threat to Mitt Romney’s Last Man Standing strategy- Romney survives the primary, and is what’s left even if he has weak support. If Romney can employ this strategy why not Perry?

Dr Evil on October 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM

The difference is Romney is really really good at it. Perry is not good at much of anything so far.

I deviate between thinking all of the rest of them are really bad, and thinking they are fine but, Mitt is just so much better.

If Mitt can run the country with as much planning, preparation, hard work and just brilliance as he has run this campaign, I have hope for American when he is President.

Mitt has outmaneuvered everyone. His teams on every topic are far superior. He has laid groundwork that is paying off now. Mitt has been brilliant.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM

ALL residents benefit.

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM
even if they are illegally residing, that’s the problem. free money is a MAGNET that draws in people that SHOULD be immigrating legally and should NOT be rewarded for breaking the laws of the land.

hanzblinx on October 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM

No, it’s not if they are Illegally residing per se. Read this if you haven’t. There are requirements for Illegals and requirements for U.S. Citizens that move into Texas regarding the In-State Tuition benefit. Keep in mind the Tuition payment is the same for the U.S. Citizen that qualifies as the Illegal that qualifies.

http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/residency/establishing

Many other States provide the same thing that Texas does for Illegals but no one is saying anything since Gov. Perry is the only Governor running for President.

You may be interested in the June 6, 2011 ruling by the U.S.Supreme Court on this:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/publications/-news/supreme-court-state-can-offer-illegal-immigrants-reduced-tuition.html

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM

idesign on October 12, 2011 at 1:49 PM

I don’t have a candidate. I only know that Romney is NOT my candidate, for the obvious reasons. His scaring the senior citizens, like Obama and co. did me in. We’re done.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

I’m not holding my breath for apologies, but you might in the future avoid calling someone a liar when you are completely ignorant on a subject.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 1:42 PM

A link is needed so it can be read in context. This may be just like the letter he wrote when Hillary started Health Care. It was in the beginning, not when it was finished. Any improvement in Health Care or Amnesty is good in the beginning; it’s what happens along the way that it gets corrupted:-)

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Hey Spathi, at least Rick Perry’s eyebrows didn’t fall off!

Any comment???????????????

Knucklehead on October 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I needed a laugh:-)

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

That alone should have raised red flags, he either doesn’t understand international economics, isn’t tuned into what is happening in Europe, or he was afraid to answer…since his answer would not have been a “conservative” answer, he ducked and ran…typical.

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Hmmmm, no one person who actually understands the world is saying that this morning.

Only you.

He hedged his bets, didn’t get pulled into something he would be called a flip flopper on in the future… maybe. But he showed great knowledge and grasp of the issues while doing it.

You are grasping at straws.

Compare and contrast, that when the topic is the manipulation of currency by China and the trade deficit with China, Rick Perry said something completely unintelligible about oil.

My husband, who was not convinced Perry was as dumb as I said, immediately said, “Perry’s done.” With that idiotic answer.

He can’t follow a conversation! He spouts talking points instead of addressing the topic at hand. And he isn’t even good at hiding it!!!

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

As for Mr. 999, let’s leave him to implode on his own. He is well known for his foot-in-mouth disease.

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 2:06 PM

We need that plan dissected and explained!!! The more I read about it from those that are more expert than I, the more it’s alarming!!

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Yawn, the electorate (sorry, figured it was obvious for rational folks and forgot that you aren’t rational). They saw the high poll numbers for Carter and many drew back. The polling before the election showed this. You can keep looking for grand conspiracies, but they aren’t there.

cozmo on October 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I get ya, your alleged conspiracy to not give Carter a mandate involved over 81,000,000 people. Well, now, this just may be one of the best conspiracy theories I have come across in a long, long while. I take it back, it is an impressive one!
I assume you have documentation, of course? (unless there was a coverup, darn them thar sneaky plotters) The meeting hall for the secret get together to hatch the plot to stop Carter by electing him – but not by too much, of course! – must have cost primo denario to rent. And the catering for all the cabal gang – WOW!

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Spathi on October 12, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I wondered last night if Perry was fiddling with OCCUPY protest in his “r3volution” reference that made no sense. /BTW, has Ed Morrissey decided that “R” word is no longer his HotAir taboo?/

But given Perry’s poor debate performances throughout his last gubernatorial campaign, his third gubernatorial campaign by which point you’d think he’d know Texas legislation better than Debra Medina but didn’t, it was too obvious as I repeatedly wrote that Perry can’t talk straight, let alone debate. HotAir posted a link at that time lauding Perry’s staring off into the distance with disdain while Hutchison spoke.

Here’s the worst part. Perry still hasn’t formulated a “plan” let alone learned to express his platform agenda beyond “TEXAS”. And begging off another three days is worse than pathetic: “My dog ate my homework.” He showed up for an arranged gunfight without any ammo or weapon. You’d think he’d remember the Alamo.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Thanks

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:08 PM
To keep it simple, he simplifies it…the fact is, the 15%+ is paid, paid by someone…it doesn’t appear out of thin air.
It is a cost attributed to hiring a person, his wages, plus taxes, plus benefits, (and training in some companies) all equal what an employer has to pay to keep someone on the payroll…you don’t understand that?
You think those costs are a “smokescreen”? Not quite CFO material are you…

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Listen, I’ve never claimed to be a CFO, but I do have some understanding with Taxes and how FICA works, etc. My point among others is that 1. The 15.3 is NOT withheld from an Employees’ paycheck, so there is no benefit for the Employee. His withholding is 7.65%, now it will be 9%. That is separate from the Employers’ match and any Employers Expenses/Costs that you are referring to.

However, I understood this plan to Eliminate Deductions such as you’ve listed for the Employer. Is that the conclusion you come to?

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:41 PM

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

And yet you absolutely refuse the same consideration for Romneycare.

I’m not once again going to got through all the Romneycare stuff… but that is the main point. Romneycare is not the plan Romney wanted. Romney was lauded by conservatives (including many of the candidates on that stage last night) for what he did in Massachusetts. Until, Obama. Now conservatives have stabbed him in the back.

Conservatives decided Romney was expendable, so they deserted him, after applauding him. Now he is going to be the President. Now conservatives are left holding the bag.

It is not Mitt that flip flopped on healthcare. It is conservatives in America that flip flopped on healthcare after Obama. Mitt Romney has said, it is not what I wanted, but it is what the people wanted, and I worked to make it as conservative as I could. Mitt has been steady.

Healthcare is still a big issue. No one in American has a grasp of the problems like Romney does. And he learns from his mistakes.

Even Perry last night… used one of Romney’s ideas when asked about healthcare. That is block grants to states to figure out the problem and be the laboratories to solve the problems. That is straight out of Romney’s plan he put out in May.

Romney is the leader the rest follow.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

My husband, who was not convinced Perry was as dumb as I said, immediately said, “Perry’s done.” With that idiotic answer.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

If you can’t convince your husband to see things the way you do, how do you hope to convince Hot Airers?

LOL…

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 2:55 PM

“In Three Days” it will come to me. Meanwhile leave me on life support. — Rick Perry

This “on the third day, he rose again” resurrection trick only worked for Jesus and for his friend Lazarus.

But then, as the book of revelation states, the antichrist will die and then be resuscitated so that many believe in him.

That Perry admitted he can’t debate well is at least honest.

You can’t fault him for not declaring his candidacy, or waiting until yesterday to just say no. The acid reflux Mittens’ slogan used against candidates “fire in the belly” can’t be denied Perry for trying despite his communicative handicap.

Debate skills matter for an administration, even if not for the administrator who would therefore be unreachable in a non-transparent presidency. If Perry can’t debate, then he needs to resort to a spokesperson. But that Perry has no clear vision of his national agenda reveals he’s a puppet without a voice. We already have the TOTUS Pinocchio who can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Sure if slick politician = competent politician.

He knows how to perform in front of the cameras. Do you think he practices at home in front of his mirror?

Dr Evil on October 12, 2011 at 3:02 PM

This “on the third day, he rose again” resurrection trick only worked for Jesus and for his friend Lazarus.
maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Wrong. Lazarus had been dead for 4 days.
:)

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:02 PM

Romney was lauded by conservatives (including many of the candidates on that stage last night) for what he did in Massachusetts.

bwahahaha, cultish zombie hand signs please

petunia, saying it and repeating it will make it so: NOT.

You fail to recall every single 2008 GOP potus debate. NO ONE lauded Mitt’s MANDATED RomneyCare.

During the ObamaCare debate that had to take place after hours in Congress, the Congressional Caucus of Physicians presented their opposition not simply to Obama’s proposed legislation, but rejected it on the basis of Massachusetts AND Tennessee’s public socialized healthcare programs that like all others, drove the states into bankruptcy while simultaneously ruining availability of good medical treatment to the citizenry. C-SPAN.

Calling Mitt “conservative” doesn’t make him so.

Claiming that those Republicans sharing the debate table with Mitt lauded his Massachusetts’ fiasco is a lie. The only one there who’d agree with you was Charlie Rose.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:08 PM

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:02 PM

waiting for Jesus

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:09 PM

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:02 PM

Next, we’ll be told to wait 40 days and 40 nights…

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:10 PM

My husband, who was not convinced Perry was as dumb as I said, immediately said, “Perry’s done.” With that idiotic answer.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I’m glad you have each other.
You could be making two other people miserable.

katy the mean old lady on October 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Even Perry last night… used one of Romney’s ideas when asked about healthcare. That is block grants to states to figure out the problem and be the laboratories to solve the problems. That is straight out of Romney’s plan he put out in May.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Knowing Romney, I beg to differ.

Didn’t you hear Perry say he’s been tussling with the Fed on this issue for years?

You see, the difference between Perry and Romney is:

- One speaks from experience, the other straddles the fence and jumps to the side that appears to be winning at the time.

Need I explain further?

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

He can’t follow a conversation! He spouts talking points instead of addressing the topic at hand. And he isn’t even good at hiding it!!!

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

So you think Mitts answer on the European economic disaster is sufficient?
If so, than you have a much lower standard for President…I can see how Obama got elected now…

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I’m glad you have each other.
You could be making two other people miserable.

katy the mean old lady on October 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Maybe forced abortion isn’t such a bad idea…the DNA stops there…

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Being against Perry doesn’t make someone a “Mittbot”.

Nor does it address that Perry is, in fact, a lot more RINOish than his supporters like to admit.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM

You can make a case that Perry has done some RINO things but there is no comparison with Romney. Perry was never pro-choice. He never promoted AGW. Perry instituted socialized medicine.

Bill C on October 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Need I explain further?

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

What you are saying is that Mitt has taken a page out of Perry’s book?
Petunia won’t like that…Mitt does no wrong, in fact he may have helped Gore invent the internet…

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Perry instituted socialized medicine.

Bill C on October 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM

PerryCare? Where did that enter the race?

right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Compare and contrast, that when the topic is the manipulation of currency by China and the trade deficit with China, Rick Perry said something completely unintelligible about oil.
My husband, who was not convinced Perry was as dumb as I said, immediately said, “Perry’s done.” With that idiotic answer.
petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Weren’t almost all of his answers on every question pretty much “Oil…Texas” last night? He must have felt so lost when the others were discussing the Federal Reserve system.

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:20 PM

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Romney sucked on that Europe queston and completely dodged it, and he sucked defending his Romneycare as well. The substance of what he says is either non existent or left wing and that is the reason there is a massive anti-Romney vote desperately looking for anyone is not running in the wrong primary.

Romney looks good and sticks to his polished talking points, but he hasn’t been effectively challenged this time around as he was in 2008 and when he does get a question he isn’t prepared for, he stutters and stammers while going off topic. Maybe you are easily taken in by sweet talkers but most conservatives and GOP voters CLEARLY aren’t impressed with Romney because we come from the Age of Reason over the Age of Romanticism.

Perry probably is done, he looks like a complete moron up there. I loved his book, he should read it some time. Just because the other candidates suck does not mean Romney is any good; he is vulnerable against the Obama machine and does not offer a clear contrast for voters. Running as the generic Republican and playing it safe the whole time is not a sound strategy, people will want a clear alternative and Romney refuses to offer anything more than a slight correction here and there.

“Obama is well meaning but…”; “This economy is not Obama’s fault but…”; “TARP was the right idea but…”; Obama is going to smear him while he tries to be “reasonable” like McCain before him.

I’m throwing in with Newt, but I don’t he’s seriously running anymore.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2011 at 3:23 PM

PerryCare? Where did that enter the race?
right2bright on October 12, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Almost from the beginning – i.e. the issuance of E.O. mandated healthcare.

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Interesting how I neglect to type out certain words as typos when I type fast; that’s how Perry speaks, he just leaves out words and sometimes even syllables within a word.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Need I explain further?

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

The problem is that I’ve explained it, you’ve explained it, but Rick Perry himself can’t explain it. He has a serious problem.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Perry was never pro-choice. He never promoted AGW. Perry instituted socialized medicine.

Bill C on October 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM

You’re right. Ultimately, Perry is more attractive, although he really needs to get on the ball and come out with a plan to deal with illegals in the country, and step up his game.

darwin on October 12, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Mittens is good at debating, fixing his hair, and that’s about it.

Anyone short of Stalin or Hitler is better than Obama. Even the stones in my front walkway.

chai on October 12, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I’ll catch all the cheaters isn’t smooth talking.

Mitt himself stutters when confronted with his own inconsistency. It’s his own tell when he knows that no matter what he says, he’s been caught with his pants down. Yes, he practices what he should have said for the next time. So does Obama. Given a smooth talker, petunia has skittles and eats them, too.

He can walk. He can’t talk. He has jet black hair. And his fire in the belly prevents him from running.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:36 PM

when the others were discussing the Federal Reserve system.

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Yes, Perry’s caught between a rock and a hard spot on that given that he needs the financial industry backing but he’s afraid to hand Ron Paul any votes Perry thinks belong to himself.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM

He has a serious problem.

English as a second language. /snark off.

Obama is melded to his TOTUS, always has been.

Given electronic gimmicks, I’m surprised Perry doesn’t resort to a mini screen cheat sheet. The younger voters go through school/life/work with their computer in hand.

Inevitably we’ll find that Perry can’t read a script, or debate.

On communication mannerisms, too bad Perry can’t reference Andrew Jackson as a presidential hero without changing horses again.

maverick muse on October 12, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Oh and I would really like Bachmann and Huntsman to go already. Get Out.

Bachmann clearly has no interest in targeting Romney the way Santorum does and Huntsman is just a jerk. Huntsman came out with an excellent tax proposal which takes on the tax code the way Cain’s 999 plan does, but he not once defended Cain while bringing up his own tax reform as an alternative which leads me to believe he doesn’t even give a damn about his own tax plan.

The field should be Perry, Romney, Cain, Gingrich, Paul and Santorum. This will provide more time for both Perry and Cain to speak and help Conservatives make their mind if either one is who they want.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM

He never promoted AGW.

Bill C on October 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Perry says he’s against AGW, but he mandated that Texas produce 10% of it’s energy through “renewables”, and wants to spend 7 Billion Texas taxpayer’s dollars on powerlines to already failed wind farms.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM

You do know that Perry is going to come out with his economic plan this week, right? I bet it is heavy on energy. Maybe we should see what he proposes first. If it is not good, then it is probably time for him to return to TX and continue to make that state a destination for business and jobs. He should continue the good work he has been doing in TX if people are still looking for a “slick” debater. I hear Obama is pretty good at it.

Voter from WA State on October 12, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Here is Gov. Perry at his best: I’d encourage others that aren’t quite as supportive of him and are ready to write him off to view these 2 Videos that are Post Dartmough remarks. The comments are good also.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/10/12/rick-perrys-post-dartmouth-remarks-part-i/#comments

bluefox on October 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Going after flip-flops has a long shelf life though, because that combines (via contrast) old news with fresh news.

whatcat on October 12, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Agreed, but I don’t think his target group care much about the flip-flops.

csdeven on October 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Not by a long shot, Ed.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I’d say Perry was finished the moment he started slipping off that artificial pedestal he got up on when he entered the race. He doesn’t have the personality and the je ne sais quoi to get back up. It’d have to be a massive blunder by Romney at this point in order for Perry to retake such a huge lead again. Perry was simply oversold.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM

I’ve heard Perry in person twice and both times he was very articulate and inspiring. I don’t know who this guy is that keeps showing up at debates.

I think his problem is he talks r e a l l y s l o w l y. Which works well when you are addressing a crowded room or giving a speech, but sucks when you are trying to debate.

Last night wasn’t too bad. Maybe he needs to go Ross Perot and buy 30 min of air time.

bitsy on October 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM

The debates don’t matter to me anymore… I know the candidates well enough at this point. Based on record and experience, Perry’s my choice. He would make a great President. The others either lack political experience, executive experience, or are too fluid in their positions.

He’ll have to communicate his strengths outside of the one-minute answer / 30 second rebuttal format. We’re not hiring a High School Forensics Coach.

theCork on October 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Is Perry finished?

“If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they’ve been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart.”

Yes.

labrat on October 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM

The debates don’t matter to me anymore…

theCork on October 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM

It should matter to you, a great deal.

Because if Perry goes into a debate with 0bama and does this - he’s going to lose.

Rebar on October 12, 2011 at 6:03 PM

The only way we would be better off with Romney than Obama is if we also elect a majority of Tea Party-minded people in Congress. Otherwise, we’re just as screwed with Obama Lite.

I personally look at their records and actual accomplishments which is where experienced governors like Perry and Johnson shine.

I don’t want another empty suit as POTUS or an inexperienced newbie like Cain.

Common Sense on October 12, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Romney makes all the others look dense. Even Newt.

Face it you guys are on the losing team, you and Obama. You put so much time and energy to hating on Romney you forgot to look at who the real man is.

Romney succeeds. That is who he is a success, and that is what America will become under his leadership.

Nothing else matters, America will succeed again.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Perry was simply oversold.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Your recovery as a jilted Palin die-hard is going too slow for my liking.

Dr. TheRightMan’s orders: Stay away from Hot Air for a week and repeat to yourself “Palin not running is not Perry’s fault” 3x a day.

:)

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Perry was simply oversold.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Your recovery as a jilted Palin die-hard is going too slow for my liking.

TheRightMan on October 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Has nothing to do with Palin beyond the fact that she was painted as such a horrible possibility that it brought about the gross overselling of Perry. You were one of the biggest oversellers, as I remember.

ddrintn on October 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM

It’s amazing, watching the mainstream (even the conservative) media trying to pick the next Repub nominee months ahead of the first primary. They should all get over themselves. Krauthammer and O’Reilly were agreeing it was virtually assured Romney was the next nominee, with zero votes tallied. Ugh.

waelse1 on October 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM

It’s amazing, watching the mainstream (even the conservative) media trying to pick the next Repub nominee months ahead of the first primary. They should all get over themselves. Krauthammer and O’Reilly were agreeing it was virtually assured Romney was the next nominee, with zero votes tallied. Ugh.

waelse1 on October 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Fox has been so in the tank for Perry.

Now they moved to Cain.

A few more intelligent people see the writing on the wall.

Romney is the best available. The rest suck.

If you can’t see that, you are blind.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Even Perry last night… used one of Romney’s ideas when asked about healthcare. That is block grants to states to figure out the problem and be the laboratories to solve the problems. That is straight out of Romney’s plan he put out in May.
Romney is the leader the rest follow.

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Have been on missions the last few days here and so was only able to read the transcripts over here in AFG. Again, as many have mentioned, Romney’s response’s are always very detailed and explained in detail while many others give “debate-prepped” answers.

You all know I am a Romney fan but reading a transcript, as I cannot watch the debate from overseas, is actually a great way to judge a person’s strengths and Romney just is more in depth with grasp of the issues.

When I read the above quote from Petunia, I said the same thing to myself that Romney has been pushing this since the last time he ran as using states as laboratories for State experiments and pushing the grant blocks for medicare and other healthcare related matters.

g2825m on October 13, 2011 at 2:18 AM

petunia on October 12, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Fox has been in the tank for ROMNEY all year and if you cant see that, you’re blind.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 13, 2011 at 4:11 AM

And Palin earlier this year said that we should stand with our ally-North Korea.
See how that works.
Flubs happen to ALL politicians.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 12, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Actually the flub was during the 2008 Campaign…she has improved her presentations much since then.

RedLizard64 on October 13, 2011 at 1:41 PM

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