Uh oh: Obama consulted Romney advisers on ObamaCare

posted at 9:25 am on October 11, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Odd of this story becoming the big topic of tonight’s debate?  I’d say … sure thing:

Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama administration officials used Mitt Romney’s landmark health-care law in Massachusetts as a model for the new federal law, including recruiting some of Romney’s own health care advisers and experts to help craft the act now derided by Republicans as “Obamacare.”

The records, gleaned from White House visitor logs reviewed by NBC News, show that senior White House officials had a dozen meetings in 2009 with three health-care advisers and experts who helped shape the health care reform law signed by Romney in 2006, when the Republican presidential candidate was governor of Massachusetts. One of those meetings, on July 20, 2009, was in the Oval Office and presided over by President Barack Obama, the records show.

“The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said Jon Gruber, an MIT economist who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009, including the meeting with the president. “They really wanted to know how we can take that same approach we used in Massachusetts and turn that into a national model.”

Rick Perry and other Republicans have attacked Mitt Romney for providing the “blueprint” for ObamaCare, which Romney has successfully rebutted — at least until now.  NBC’s report shows that if Romney and his team didn’t provide the blueprint, the argument can be made that the Romney’s team provided at least some direction to Obama and his team.

These weren’t just offhand contacts, either.  Besides meeting with Obama himself, Gruber also met with economic adviser Larry Summers, OMB chief Peter Orzsag, and Obama’s point person on health care reform, Nancy-Ann DeParle.  Most significantly, these meetings resulted in a contract for $380,000 to produce federal legislation based on Gruber’s work in Massachusetts.  Two other Romney aides met several times at the White House on the same topic.

Romney will no doubt stick to his well-rehearsed responses on questions about the similarities between the two plans by noting the differences, but this will give fresh ammunition to Romney’s opponents on stage.  Perry had already planned on attacking Romney on RomneyCare, as his latest campaign ad shows, but this will give him fresh ammunition.  I’d expect to hear a line like, “While other states came to Texas to see how we created a great economic climate for jobs growth, Obama came to Massachusetts to see how to impose a federal mandate on Americans and take over the health-care sector.”  (Or I’d expect to hear a line like that if Perry can deliver it.)  Michele Bachmann will probably get into the action, as will Rick Santorum.

However, while this is clearly bad news for Romney on the morning of a national debate, it’s worth asking about how NBC happened to stumble onto this now.  They may have diligently perused visitor logs and struck gold, or perhaps someone in the White House helped them along in an attempt to weaken Romney.  We’ll never know which it was, but I suspect it wasn’t just dumb luck.

Update: Gruber’s connection to both RomneyCare and ObamaCare isn’t terribly new — the Wall Street Journal wrote about it almost two years ago here.  We also wrote about Gruber and his lack of disclosure here, here, and here.  The news here is more the level of access provided to RomneyCare architects, including to Obama himself, and not just with Gruber.

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Furthermore, just because a former employee of Mitt Romney’s administration has been hired by the Obama Administration does not mean that it is evidence that Romney supports ObamaCare or that his plan is similar to Obama’s.

Moreover, it is not proof that Romney even approves of this man’s decision to work for the Obama administration.

Mitt has no control over how his former employees choose to peruse their careers. They are free to find whatever employment they like.

Conservative Samizdat on October 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Other than that, I’ll vote for whoever is in the lead when I go to the polls.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM

I encourage everyone to vote their conscience in the primary. Just make sure you are educated and not indoctrinated on your choice.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Herman Cain chuckles to himself….

*noted*

ted c on October 11, 2011 at 9:28 AM

…right before he sells his soul by sneaking into Romney’s azz as his VP. If he does, he’ll have zero TP creds left.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

You “friend” is in the minority in MA and can move if he hates it so badly. The majority in MA LOVE Romneycare and demanded it when Romney was governor.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Why didn’t any of this come out four years ago?

itsnotaboutme on October 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Because it hadn’t happened yet.

Youngs98 on October 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Asked and answered

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

Drained Brain on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

1. Because they are having a premature you know what.

2. Thus, they are dumb, in their timing.

3. Because they are convinced it will be Romney.

That fat lady hasn’t sung yet, hallelujah.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Gruber’s connection to both RomneyCare and ObamaCare isn’t terribly new — the Wall Street Journal wrote about it almost two years ago here.

Exactly, not very riveting is it to report two year old news….this is just more jump the shark reporting from Ed.

I’m surprised you haven’t played Obama praising Romney over and over set to an evil soundtrack.

And don’t forget to add the Romneycare & The Heritage Foundation (Rush’s favorite conservative think tank) connection either when the “crime” took place.

BTW, unless Gruber is an indentured slave of Mitt’s what control does Romney have over the guy working with Obama?

This is so weak.

Ed, I know you’re guy is on life support in the polls behind Romney & Cain but this is some sorry reporting.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Well said, and precisely what I keep thinking as I read your enthusiastic Romney posts.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Your view of my reasons are skewed by your desire to see another candidate elected. The only reason I am behind Romney is that he is the best we can do and still beat Obama. The minute we have a different candidate take that roll, that will be the candidate I support.

So, stop being an ideologue and get practical. The future of the country depends on rational voters.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Conservative Samizdat on October 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Perfectly said!

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Just make sure you are educated and not indoctrinated on your choice.csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Pot, Kettle… yada yada.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM

“Thousands of countries, and 57 States!”

Del Dolemonte on October 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Imagine all the jobs this could create, ambassadorships and staff…

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM

What’s the big deal? This isn’t like there was a grand conspiracy to destroy the country…………oh, wait!

Rovin on October 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Conservative Samizdat on October 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Heh, but Mitt had full control over his LIAR ads that scared senior citizens over SS, same as Obama, Pelosi and other scum did/do. For that I will NEVER forgive him.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

The majority in MA LOVE Romneycare and demanded it when Romney was governor.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Have any stats to go with that?

I can find plenty of stats that show that costs have soared well over expectations, and that demand has far exceeded supply, but not any that suggest a majority LOVE the system. I’m sure I’m just overlooking them though.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

I encourage everyone to vote their conscience in the primary. Just make sure you are educated and not indoctrinated on your choice.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM

I will not vote for Romney in the primary, or in the general.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Ed, I know you’re guy is on life support in the polls behind Romney & Cain but this is some sorry reporting.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Quel imbécile!

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Heh, but Mitt had full control over his LIAR ads that scared senior citizens over SS, same as Obama, Pelosi and other scum did/do. For that I will NEVER forgive him.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Amen.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Quelle imbécile, to be certain of whom we speak.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

besser tot als rot – what a great nom you have!

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Ah…..just read this….no wonder Ed is dredging (which means Perry is dredging as well) for supposed bad news for Mitt.

Romney is leading in Iowa….wow….Perry is in fourth, tied with Bachmann…wow.

Marist Poll

For Iowa:

•Romney: 23
•Cain: 20
•Paul: 11
•Perry: 10
•Bachmann: 10
•Undecided: 16
For New Hampshire:

•Romney: 44
•Cain: 13
•Paul: 13
•Perry: 6
•Huntsman: 5
•Undecided: 11

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Mitt has no control over how his former employees choose to peruse their careers. They are free to find whatever employment they like.

Conservative Samizdat on October 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Fair point.

However, if a political leader hires Dr. X from a prestigious university to help shape regulation in his state, and the same Dr. X later advises the POTUS on regulation in the same area, it gets very, very hard for the state leader to distance himself from the original and final legislation.

Hence Mitt’s dilemma, which his supporters are trying (unconvincingly, IMHO) to spin away.

Good luck with that.

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

I will not vote for Romney in the primary, or in the general.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Romney is going to have plenty of conservative Democrats to make up for your vote.

In the 80′s there were Reagan Democrats, in 2012 there will be Romney Democrats to get Mitt to the White House.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Michele Bachmann will probably get into the action, as will Rick Santorum.

No, they won’t. They’re all paid by Romney, on life support, the TP be damned.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

This is NOT the 80s and don’t even get near the “Romney is Reagan”. Ronald Reagan would get scared in his grave. For decency, let the good man rest.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Hence Mitt’s dilemma, which his supporters are trying (unconvincingly, IMHO) to spin away.

Good luck with that.

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Hence nothing…..unless Gruber was indentured slave to Romney, Mitt has absolutely no control over another human being.

Maybe Gruber needed a job…..is that so hard to believe in this economy?

Or maybe he really believe that the MA plan should be for the US.

Mitt doesn’t and that’s what matters.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Heh, but Mitt had full control over his LIAR ads that scared senior citizens over SS, same as Obama, Pelosi and other scum did/do. For that I will NEVER forgive him.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

I used to think he was just a big turkey. But this gave a glimpse into his sliminess.

Get real, republicans.

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Ed, I know you’re guy is on life support in the polls behind Romney & Cain but this is some sorry reporting.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Your. Not You’re.

Mitt is not impressed with your bad grammar.

portlandon on October 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

2. Did Romney ever criticize the first point in Mass-Care’s mission– “Mass-Care’s mission is to establish a Single Payer Health Care System”?

Jason Coleman on October 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Cite please, showing this “mission statement” contemporaneous to Romney’s term in office. The organization you’re pointing to there is a pressure group, not an arm of the state-level executive agency charged with carrying out the Massachusetts Health Care Law.

Perry so eagerly overstepping good political sense to pursue a public health objective with Gardasil vaccinations, to me, is every bit as obnoxious as people think RomneyCare is. I hate cancer, y’all, so you girls roll up them sleeves!

DrSteve on October 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Mitt doesn’t and that’s what matters.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Actions speak louder than words.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

This is NOT the 80s and don’t even get near the “Romney is Reagan”. Ronald Reagan would get scared in his grave. For decency, let the good man rest.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act federal healthcare in 1986, that Mitt was dealt with in MA with his mandate….the two men have many connections. Deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM

I think you miss the point. (It’s on top of your head btw)It’s not if Romney has any control over his former advisors but that Romneycare and Obamacare are the same plan.

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM

It is a financial and other disaster, not all are covered, only 3% more than before, has cost thousands of jobs…is no different than the European disasters. It’s nothing to be proud of, and is a totally liberal fantasy. To support it and to claim otherwise is dereliction pure, Mass. or not.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Good grief, spare us – we know your every utterance is a worship to Romney – we get it, k?

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I used to think he was just a big turkey. But this gave a glimpse into his sliminess.

Get real, republicans.

He was always slippery/slimey. That proved how MEAN he is. I supported him in 2008 but this time it’s not even close. Every day I hate him more.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Or maybe he really believe that the MA plan should be for the US.

Mitt doesn’t and that’s what matters.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Evidence? I don’t believe that, personally, and I don’t think I’m the only GOP voter concerned that Mitt would be just fine “tweaking” Obamacare, debate statements notwithstanding.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see if Romney has or can deal effectively with this issue, or if it will continue to be a problem for him.

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Perry so eagerly overstepping good political sense to pursue a public health objective with Gardasil vaccinations, to me, is every bit as obnoxious as people think RomneyCare is.

DrSteve on October 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Ridiculous. Vaccines are common and commonly mandated by the state (often without opt-outs, like the one Perry allowed). The state compelling an individual is novel to Romney (not to mention his other wonderfully novel ideas, such as cap and tax).

How much does Romney pay you to post your garbage “Dr”?

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Good grief, spare us – we know your every utterance is a worship to Romney – we get it, k?

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Wet panties. It’s more ridiculous than the Palin threads.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Pot, Kettle… yada yada.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Practicality is not indoctrination. It is the antithesis of what you are doing. Namely, being an ideologue.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Sorry, redo

I used to think he was just a big turkey. But this gave a glimpse into his sliminess.

Get real, republicans.

He was always slippery/slimey. That proved how MEAN he is. I supported him in 2008 but this time it’s not even close. Every day I hate him more.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Have any stats to go with that?

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Not at my finger tips. I had them a few weeks ago and it was polling and news reports.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM

What’s the big deal? This isn’t like there was a grand conspiracy to destroy the country…………oh, wait!

Rovin on October 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

If you follow their tracks back, how many of the last 4 Presidents’ came out of the People’s Republic of Massachusetts Ivy League school system?

George H W Bush -Yale
Clinton -Yale
George W Bush -Yale – Havard Business School
Barack Obama – Harvard Law School.

Wannabe President Mitt Romney -Harvard

Conspiracy? Creating an incubator for National Healthcare Model in Massachusetts? That’s called progress in progressive speak.

This country has been run by one New England Liberal of one political brand or another for years now.

As Rick Perry pointed out, he was actually born in Texas, and went to school in Texas he wasn’t born into a family of blue bloods in CT., and then the family moved to Texas.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act federal healthcare in 1986, that Mitt was dealt with in MA with his mandate….the two men have many connections. Deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Your post is rather incoherent, but it sounds like you are trying to say that Reagan forced Romney to impose his mandate. Is that right? If so, please explain why he is the only one to have done it. If it was so necessary, you’d think there would have been 50 states rushing to implement RomneyCare.

Or, if I misread your ramblings – maybe you are trying to compare Romney to Reagan? I think that it is pretty well established that Romney doesn’t “want to return us to Reagan/Bush”.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM

I will not vote for Romney in the primary, or in the general.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Good for you. Send us a picture of yourself hacking your nose off to spite America will ya? That will be good for laughs!

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

More dishonesty from Perry hacks.

I’ve seen this story all over and never does it state “former” advisers from the Romney administration 2002-2006.

They always try to be shameful and sneaky and imply that these are Romney advisers or that they were advising Romney during ObamaCare.

Not true.

Desperation.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act federal healthcare in 1986, that Mitt was dealt with in MA with his mandate….the two men have many connections. Deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

How often do I have to educate you on this? Read this carefully before you make that stupid EMTALA claim again.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Practicality is not indoctrination. It is the antithesis of what you are doing. Namely, being an ideologue.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM

gag.. spare me andthe rest of the people reading this.

You have never mentioned ANYONE other than Romney. That isn’t practical. Indoctrination… maybe. But I at least keep an open mind on the candidates, while you are zones in on only one.

Who is brainwashed again? cs…you need help.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 11:54 AM

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

What a foolish comment. You escape reality. Dream on.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Wet panties. It’s more ridiculous than the Palin threads.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:49 AM

those aren’t panties.. and that ain’t wetness!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Namely, being an ideologue.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Let me ask you – can you be convinced to vote for Obama? (Assuming, of course, that you are not already an Obama supporter.) If not, does that make you an ideologue? Anyway, who gave you this line? I’ve seen it from most of the paid Romney trolls lately.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Mitt is not impressed with your bad grammar.

portlandon on October 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Oh knock it off/ Sheryl is impressed with Mitt’s great French.

Knucklehead on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

it gets very, very hard for the state leader to distance himself from the original and final legislation.

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

I don’t see it that way. The state leader simply says he doesn’t support their version because it is based on unconstitutionality.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

More dishonesty from Perry hacks.

I’ve seen this story all over and never does it state “former” advisers from the Romney administration 2002-2006.

They always try to be shameful and sneaky and imply that these are Romney advisers or that they were advising Romney during ObamaCare.

Not true.

Desperation.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Did you read the post? I don’t think Ed is lying do you?

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM

She has claimed this stupidity in a variety of threads and refuses to educate herself on the facts. EMTALA was snuck in by a communist. Read what I posted, directly from the doctors.

Nothing will change the clinical reality. This is a detraction tactic, with zero value, truth or consequence.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act federal healthcare in 1986, that Mitt was dealt with in MA with his mandate….the two men have many connections. Deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Back at it with this, again? This has been thoroughly deconstructed for you many times. But you can’t seem to “deal with it.”

If Romney had to install socialized medicine in Massachusetts because of the EMTLA (which was not Reagan’s initiative, and which was bundled within the larger COBRA bill the democrats knew Reagan could not veto), why didn’t 49 other governors?

http://www.medlaw.com/newblog/emtala-it-was-not-reagan/

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Did you read the post? I don’t think Ed is lying do you?

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Ed is not, but swamp is one.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:58 AM

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Heh, I beat you, but especially her with her b/s. She refuses to learn, from the doctors themselves, because she is ‘smarter’ than they are.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Good for you. Send us a picture of yourself hacking your nose off to spite America will ya? That will be good for laughs!

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

It ain’t spite. I think he’s worse for the country and the individual in the long term than Obama. I prefer to have a conservative option in the future, one that isn’t relegated to minority status for the next generation.

I get it. You think Romney is better than Obama. I don’t see much difference. Why should I vote for Romney over Obama? So I can see a “Republican” veto any conservative bills that come out of congress instead of Obama? So that Romney can force the Republicans to the left rather than have them fight for the best options that they can get under Obama? I don’t think so.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Lets see Romney today is leading polls in Iowa and NH. Just to add gravy he’s tied with Cain in SC today. So all the Hotair haters are wasting their time rehashing the Romneycare thing.

By the way, how is that Palin thing working out for you guys?

hanzblinx on October 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Vaccines are common and commonly mandated by the state

Trust me I’m aware; I have 3 school-age kids. But how did the Gardasil push go over in TX? And how did Perry justify the way he did it? The public health community in the U.S. is chock full of people who’d help you right out of your last scrap of autonomy. Perry’s instinct is to trust them unconditionally, apparently, and worry about good judgment and political reality later. If RomneyCare’s no different from the PPACA, then Perry’s EO on Gardasil is no different from either. Either we’re capable of discernment in that regard or we’re not.

I’ve been a Romney guy since the last go-around, to be sure, but no payment’s involved. I was proud to vote for McCain and ultimately I’ll support whoever the nominee is.

DrSteve on October 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Oh knock it off/ Sheryl is impressed with Mitt’s great French.

Knucklehead on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

kiss of death would be more soothing.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Plus, to be sure, EMTALA deals with “treating a patient, any patient, to the point of stabilization”. Meh, it’s all subjective and is used and abused ad infinitum, in a million different ways. No one abused it more than Michelle Obama, when she helpded hospitals “dump patients”, at the tune of her $450,000/yr salary. Don’t make me write you novels about this.

It is a stupid ploy on the part of the Romney bees to even get close to this.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

They always try to be shameful and sneaky and imply that these are Romney advisers or that they were advising Romney during ObamaCare.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 11:53 AM

The people that you choose to associate with matters. Just as it did when Obama chose to associate with Ayers and Wright. It tells you a little something about the character of the person.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Lets see Romney today is leading polls in Iowa and NH. Just to add gravy he’s tied with Cain in SC today. So all the Hotair haters are wasting their time rehashing the Romneycare thing.

By the way, how is that Palin thing working out for you guys?

hanzblinx on October 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM

iowa = social morons who always vote for the person who will give them the most… due to the fact they were at once Populace Partier’s. Iowa hasn’t been anything but a joke since the 60′s, and they know it.

Yeah, they also know they can get money from Romney… anyone with an IQ over 80 (aka Forest Gump) knows that!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 12:04 PM

or if it will continue to be a problem for him.

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Perry is the one with the problem.

5 weeks ago he was leading Mitt in Iowa by 12 points, now he trails by 13 points, that’s a 25 point change to the bad.

That’s serious switch in a short time.

And if Perry thinks that his hail Mary Jeffress Mormon slur will get him out of that deficit than he’s got real problems.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM

It is a stupid ploy on the part of the Romney bees to even get close to this.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

They have to because of the headline of this post – it’s what they call in the media “damning evidence”

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 12:06 PM

The people that you choose to associate with matters. Just as it did when Obama chose to associate with Ayers and Wright. It tells you a little something about the character of the person.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Then apply the same thing to Perry. Look at the all the crazy pastors who he surrounds himself with:

Jeffress, Bryan Fischer, C. Peter Wagner, Alice Patterson, Mike Bickle, etc…..these “end of days” preachers are creepy folks….why do they all like Perry for president?

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM

It’s a pathetic attempt to explain away Romneycare, and degrades Reagan in the process. It reveals fear.

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Romney gives the appearance of a solid, competent individual which is why, I believe, a lot of people support him. To be sure, he is 100 times more competent than Obama but it is disturbing that he would be elected as a “consrvative” then be no more conservative than Clinton.

I’d vote for Clinton over Obama.

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM

You have never mentioned ANYONE other than Romney.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 11:54 AM

So, what you’re saying is that you follow me around an remember every comment I have ever made. I know you haven’t because I know what I believe and whom I am supportive of.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Nothing to fear in reporting facts.

In 1986 Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon, signed the EMTLA, a federal healthcare mandate….look it up & deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

I don’t really care that Obama consulted with one of Romney’s advisers. Despite Obama’s vaunted transparency, I don’t know how much the White House had to do with the final product. I know that it was the work of Democrats in the House and Senate and hundreds of lobbyists. No wonder it doesn’t resemble Romney’s plan. Romney’s plan was to get free riders to be responsible and buy their own health insurance. Obamacare creates huge new entitlements, partly funded by reducing existing ones, “spreading the wealth” one might say. Obamacare creates new bureaucracies who will devise regulations. Romney’s plan sought to rely on private sector insurance companies.

Finally, if anybody really believes that no national health care law would have been passed if Mitt Romney hadn’t developed his plan, he’s delusional. Progressives have been pushing for national health care for 100 years at least. Clinton tried, but failed. I suspect that Massachusetts Democrats were planning on a universal health care plan whether Romney agreed or not, so he tried to improve it. The fact is that it was made necessary by a federal law that allowed uninsured people to use Emergency Rooms without paying.

flataffect on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

So, what you’re saying is that you follow me around an remember every comment I have ever made. I know you haven’t because I know what I believe and whom I am supportive of.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Umm, are you really that stupid? How many years have you been on HotAir?

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

By the way, how is that Palin thing working out for you guys?

hanzblinx on October 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM

The fat lady has not sung for Romney, not by far. The folks are not going to let the elites pick their candidate. It’s not any previous time.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM

It is a financial and other disaster, not all are covered, only 3% more than before, has cost thousands of jobs…is no different than the European disasters.

The people of MA wanted it. In our federalist system, that is their right.

It’s nothing to be proud of, and is a totally liberal fantasy. To support it and to claim otherwise is dereliction pure, Mass. or not.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

If my state imposed it, I’d move.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM

In 1986 Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon, signed the EMTLA, a federal healthcare mandate….look it up & deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You are a foolish girl. Plus, it’s EMTALA.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM

If my state imposed it, I’d move.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Soon, we might all have to move, to the gulches. If they get us there, to the moon…

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM

It reveals fear.

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Not fear, utter ignorance. The doctors know better what it is, and isn’t. Let them dwell in fantasies.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Did you read the post? I don’t think Ed is lying do you?

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Its the lede.

These are not Romney advisers now. Nor where they Romney advisers when ObamaCare was enacted.

Its a misleading lede and they should know better. But they are in the bag for Perry. They’ve been puffing up this terrible candidate from the beginning.

Do you know how many “advisers” Romney had during four years of governor from 2002-2006? As if this is a big deal.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Let me ask you – can you be convinced to vote for Obama?

No.

(Assuming, of course, that you are not already an Obama supporter.)

Ah yes, the typical childish argument that the St Palin the Victimized congregation used. If a person isn’t ideologically rigid, they must love Obama.

If not, does that make you an ideologue?

No. It makes the dems so far out of the mainstream of thinking, that there is no way an rational person could even consider them as a viable option.

Anyway, who gave you this line? I’ve seen it from most of the paid Romney trolls lately.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM

You clearly have nothing left as you are now trying to use straw man statements to bolster your weak argument. Thanks for playing, come back when you can make a substantive argument.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM

flataffect on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You explain it much better than Romney. Why won’t he explain why he did this (in plain English). Seems like he’s afraid to touch the issue.

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Soon, we might all have to move, to the gulches. If they get us there, to the moon…

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM

So far, I have heard only one candidate say they will do to make Obamacare ineffective that as POTUS they actually have the power to do. Romney will issue waivers and he hasn’t claimed that he will repeal it. He cannot repeal it, all he can do is sign a bill that the congress passes to repeal it.

That is impressive.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM

In 1986 Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon, signed the EMTLA, a federal healthcare mandate….look it up & deal with it.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You’ve been provided the facts, documentation and refutations on this and many other threads, a brief review of any of which will expose the sorry disingenuousness of calling EMTALA a federal healthcare mandate in any way comparable to Romneycare, i.e., to Romney’s concerted socialized overhaul of Massachusetts’ healthcare industry.

Dealing with this is obviously not possible for you.

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 12:24 PM

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 12:19 PM

It came from MSNBC who is not in the bag for Perry.

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Umm, are you really that stupid? How many years have you been on HotAir?

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You are the one who claims to know what I have said. How stupid are you to even suggest that?

Moron. Get out of your grammy’s basement for a day and live in the real world where comments have to make sense. Be sure to wear some SPF 10,000 or your translucent skin will burn.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Moron. Get out of your grammy’s basement for a day and live in the real world where comments have to make sense. Be sure to wear some SPF 10,000 or your translucent skin will burn.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:26 PM

LOL.You have been on HA for YEARS csdeven. And now that you have been handed a crap sandwich which you, yourself, have talked about (Romney), you are denying it?

WOW! LMFAO!!! Talk about liberal meme’s coming home to roost. Keep it up cs… you are cracking me up! I don’t get paid to talk about candidates.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Vince on October 11, 2011 at 12:25 PM

It came from Michael Isakoff. Then almost instantly there were identical headlines on redstate, hotair, ace and more…

A quick glance leads one to assume that Romney has advisers now or during the ObamaCare debate that were consulting Obama.

In reality, its 3 mid-level hacks, 3 of thousands, who consulted Romney years ago during his administration.

They are trying to steer the narrative. Yawn. They fail as badly as the Perry campaign. Maybe its contagious.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 12:32 PM

And if Perry thinks that his hail Mary Jeffress Mormon slur will get him out of that deficit than he’s got real problems.

sheryl on October 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM

What a deceiving witch you are. It was the pastor, not Perry. YOU are trying to mislead, like Romney does. Bigots are bigots, and I will fight against all, incl. for Mormonism. However, this is a lie, and you deceive purposely.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:33 PM

In reality, its 3 mid-level hacks, 3 of thousands, who consulted Romney years ago during his administration.

They are trying to steer the narrative. Yawn. They fail as badly as the Perry campaign. Maybe its contagious.

swamp_yankee on October 11, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Uh huh and Perry passed by a rock with an epithet, and painted over it- that makes him a racist or something.

You don’t get to pick what the MSM decides to hype for ratings and mischief.

Between it’s true MSNBC isn’t in the bag for Perry – they are in the bag for Obama.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 12:36 PM

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM

The SC will decide, in toto, in part, or not at all. The Congress are the only ones who can get rid of it. Must get the Senate back. None have said anything that matters. The “exclusions” Romney talks about are the same as the Obama ones…empty rhetoric, exceptions from the law they passed. It s/b forbidden to exempt anyone, especially the politicians, from the laws they pass. This entire topic of ObamaCare is a very significant one. None can do much until both ends of the Congress are in conservative hands.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Romney is the greatest “rally-killer” in politics today. The depressed spirits across the conservative grassroots are as deep as I’ve seen. After all the work and progress of the past few years, to reconcile with the notion of a Romney candidacy is profoundly dispiriting — in ways beyond McCain’s flattening effect. McCain at least had his war-hero cachet and a certain cussed vigor — an admirable toughness on certain core issues. One got the sense of a “there” there — somewhere. Romney is a mass of nothing — a prevaricating, mealy-mouthed, country-club, ruling-class stiff – a debilitating ebb to the flow of the reformist spirit and energy that has animated the conservative revival.

rrpjr on October 11, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Judging by the reaction of the Mitt Witts to this headline MSNBC has hit their desired target.

White House used Mitt Romney health-care law as blueprint for federal law
Three advisers to GOP candidate met a dozen times with senior Obama officials, records show.

Operation Chaos Redux – The Democrat Edition, Too Funny.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM

The RNC always fighting the last war. If only they were campaigning for the 2012 election coming up, and not the 2008 election they lost.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM

This is why Republicans need to get answers to these two questions:

1. Why won’t or when will Romney release correspondence between his administration ans the state legislature concerning Mass-Care?

2. Did Romney ever criticize the first point in Mass-Care’s mission– “Mass-Care’s mission is to establish a Single Payer Health Care System”?

Jason Coleman on October 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM

1. Has anyone asked Romney to release correspondence? 2. What does MassCare have to do with Romney? It’s an advocacy group like the unions HCAN. 3. How’s the salmon running in Alaska?

…Unless Romney is the last man standing, there is no way I am voting for a man who lied about something he started…
upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

What’s the “lie”?

Buy Danish on October 11, 2011 at 12:46 PM

You “friend” is in the minority in MA and can move if he hates it so badly. The majority in MA LOVE Romneycare and demanded it when Romney was governor.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Here is a different opinion on MA loving Romneycare:
http://free-american-healthcare.blogspot.com/2011/05/massachusetts-en-route-to-single-payer.html

This tells a different story and how Single Payer is being seriously considered due to what Romneycare has done to the Healthcare in MA.

bluefox on October 11, 2011 at 12:54 PM

bluefox on October 11, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Gov. Romney did not give Massachusetts “universal” private health coverage. He put it on a glide-path to a single-payer, government-monopoly health system.

I meant to add the above to my previous comment.

bluefox on October 11, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM

They consulted Gruber because he had a behavioral and pricing model. That doesn’t make the guy an expert on RomneyCare, it makes him a health economist. This is not a large world. If they wanted to tie ObamaCare to RomneyCare, they should have looked for all the times the WH called Romney for advice.

DrSteve on October 11, 2011 at 1:00 PM

ROMNEY Fans…..

you put Wall Street Mitt up on stage next to Middle Class Warrior Obama and it’s over.

people always vote for the likeable person, most like them and Obama has personal charm in spades. He has a great smile. He’s telegenic and he def has a gift.

Like it or not……it’s American Idol America and we better be aware of it picking a nominee.

PappyD61 on October 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM

He put it on a glide-path to a single-payer, government-monopoly health system.

bluefox on October 11, 2011 at 12:56 PM

If anything he forestalled single-payer in MA, he certainly didn’t accelerate it.

DrSteve on October 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Hmmmmm. Or should I say, “Ha!” From the MassCare website:

As John Sweeney, President of the AFL-CIO has said, “Who would have thought that Massachusetts …would take a page out of the Newt Gingrich playbook for health care reform? Forcing uninsured workers to purchase health care coverage or face higher taxes and fines is the cornerstone of Mr. Gingrich’s health care reform proposals. And it is unconscionable that Massachusetts has adopted this misguided individual mandate.”

Buy Danish on October 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

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