Uh oh: Obama consulted Romney advisers on ObamaCare

posted at 9:25 am on October 11, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Odd of this story becoming the big topic of tonight’s debate?  I’d say … sure thing:

Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama administration officials used Mitt Romney’s landmark health-care law in Massachusetts as a model for the new federal law, including recruiting some of Romney’s own health care advisers and experts to help craft the act now derided by Republicans as “Obamacare.”

The records, gleaned from White House visitor logs reviewed by NBC News, show that senior White House officials had a dozen meetings in 2009 with three health-care advisers and experts who helped shape the health care reform law signed by Romney in 2006, when the Republican presidential candidate was governor of Massachusetts. One of those meetings, on July 20, 2009, was in the Oval Office and presided over by President Barack Obama, the records show.

“The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said Jon Gruber, an MIT economist who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009, including the meeting with the president. “They really wanted to know how we can take that same approach we used in Massachusetts and turn that into a national model.”

Rick Perry and other Republicans have attacked Mitt Romney for providing the “blueprint” for ObamaCare, which Romney has successfully rebutted — at least until now.  NBC’s report shows that if Romney and his team didn’t provide the blueprint, the argument can be made that the Romney’s team provided at least some direction to Obama and his team.

These weren’t just offhand contacts, either.  Besides meeting with Obama himself, Gruber also met with economic adviser Larry Summers, OMB chief Peter Orzsag, and Obama’s point person on health care reform, Nancy-Ann DeParle.  Most significantly, these meetings resulted in a contract for $380,000 to produce federal legislation based on Gruber’s work in Massachusetts.  Two other Romney aides met several times at the White House on the same topic.

Romney will no doubt stick to his well-rehearsed responses on questions about the similarities between the two plans by noting the differences, but this will give fresh ammunition to Romney’s opponents on stage.  Perry had already planned on attacking Romney on RomneyCare, as his latest campaign ad shows, but this will give him fresh ammunition.  I’d expect to hear a line like, “While other states came to Texas to see how we created a great economic climate for jobs growth, Obama came to Massachusetts to see how to impose a federal mandate on Americans and take over the health-care sector.”  (Or I’d expect to hear a line like that if Perry can deliver it.)  Michele Bachmann will probably get into the action, as will Rick Santorum.

However, while this is clearly bad news for Romney on the morning of a national debate, it’s worth asking about how NBC happened to stumble onto this now.  They may have diligently perused visitor logs and struck gold, or perhaps someone in the White House helped them along in an attempt to weaken Romney.  We’ll never know which it was, but I suspect it wasn’t just dumb luck.

Update: Gruber’s connection to both RomneyCare and ObamaCare isn’t terribly new — the Wall Street Journal wrote about it almost two years ago here.  We also wrote about Gruber and his lack of disclosure here, here, and here.  The news here is more the level of access provided to RomneyCare architects, including to Obama himself, and not just with Gruber.

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Heh

gophergirl on October 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Why didn’t any of this come out four years ago?

itsnotaboutme on October 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Herman Cain chuckles to himself….

*noted*

ted c on October 11, 2011 at 9:28 AM

I’d go with option 2 there monty

cmsinaz on October 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

sheryl??????

katy the mean old lady on October 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Well, I don’t expect Herman Cain to go after this point. Bachmann? Santorum? … maybe Perry?

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

I think Romney wants the Iowa vote tomorrow and Florida and New Hampshire by Friday.

Marcus on October 11, 2011 at 9:30 AM

sheryl??????

katy the mean old lady on October 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Oh, please. That’s like sounding the succubus horn.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Why didn’t any of this come out four years ago?

itsnotaboutme on October 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Because it hadn’t happened yet.

Youngs98 on October 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Rick Perry and other Republicans have attacked Mitt Romney for providing the “blueprint” for ObamaCare, which Romney has successfully rebutted — at least until now.

who actually believed Romney rebutted this? Ed, I know it’s early.. but come on!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

While it’s pretty much a given Perry’s going to use this to attack Romney — if he can get the words out of his mouth the right way — it will be interesting to see if any of the others on stage care enough about this report to do the same thing, or if it’s going to be a Perry-attacks-Mitt, Mitt-defends-self, nobody-else-says-anything-about-it-the-rest-of-the-night sort of thing, preferring to go after more important issues like painted rocks outside hunting leases in the Abilene area.

jon1979 on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Funny, NBC doesn’t seem to be so diligent in researching Solyndra or Fast and Furious. Why all the interest in the origins of Obamacare all of a sudden?

forest on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

I think Romney wants the Iowa vote tomorrow and Florida and New Hampshire by Friday.

Marcus on October 11, 2011 at 9:30 AM

Hey, the sooner Romney seals up the primary, the sooner we can officially start the downward spiral.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

“Mitt only gave the people of Massachusetts what they wanted! Leave Mitt Alone!!!”

-Petunia,Sheryl,Meredith,drballard

portlandon on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

“They may have diligently perused visitor logs and struck gold, or perhaps someone in the White House helped them along in an attempt to weaken Romney.”

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

Drained Brain on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

We’ll know for sure after tonight whether or not these candidates outside of Perry are at all interested in going after Mittens or if they’re angling for a position in his administration.

Doughboy on October 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM

How much stock in GE does Rick Perry own?

/

SouthernGent on October 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM

OT:

Ed, please put up this Diane Sawyer ABC News video:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2011/10/11/diane-sawyer-claims-wall-street-protests-have-spread-more-thousand-coun

It is the clearest example I’ve seen of them ridiculously hyping the hippies.

Marcus on October 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM

CSI:Massachusetts

The DNA of Obamacare has been traced back to Willard Mitt Romney.

Bring him in for questioning.

portlandon on October 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM

We’ll know for sure after tonight whether or not these candidates outside of Perry are at all interested in going after Mittens or if they’re angling for a position in his administration.

Doughboy on October 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM

I would be disappointed if Cain doesn’t at least try to separate himself from the blatant statism.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Funny, NBC doesn’t seem to be so diligent in researching Solyndra or Fast and Furious. Why all the interest in the origins of Obamacare all of a sudden?

forest on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

someone has got to get the blame for a wasted and bloated item that should have never passed to begin with and is now decomposing in the white house, where the next dictator is trying to figure how to keep his clothes on.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Did NBC just now figure out that people don’t like ObamaCare?

They certainly didn’t let Romney share credit for it when it was first drafted and all those congressfolk were bribed with our money to pass it.

DrAllecon on October 11, 2011 at 9:39 AM

CSI:Massachusetts

The DNA of Obamacare has been traced back to Willard Mitt Romney.

Bring him in for questioning.

portlandon on October 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM

the first reaction of the Ronulans would be:

OMG, Obama, that guy we voted for so we wouldn’t have Palin, is MORMAN! *cries*

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM

RomneyCare depends on a large, deep-pocketed benefactor to work, namely the US Treasury.

There is no back-stop for ObamaCare, outside of the taxpayer.

BobMbx on October 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Socialism is AOK when done on the state level. If a GOP governor wanted to institute re-education camps and round up children for “diversity” indoctrination, that’s cool… as long as it’s done on the state level. It’s called federalism, and good conservatives support federalism!

/Romneybot

mankai on October 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Ed, please put up this Diane Sawyer ABC News video:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2011/10/11/diane-sawyer-claims-wall-street-protests-have-spread-more-thousand-coun

It is the clearest example I’ve seen of them ridiculously hyping the hippies.

Marcus on October 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM

“Thousands of countries, and 57 States!”

Del Dolemonte on October 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM

More than a thousand countries.

I’d be surprised to find more than 200. Thanks to ABC, the State Department can now send ambassadors to these newly discovered countries. JOBS!

BobMbx on October 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Did NBC just now figure out that people don’t like ObamaCare?

They certainly didn’t let Romney share credit for it when it was first drafted and all those congressfolk were bribed with our money to pass it.

DrAllecon on October 11, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Actually, I distinctly remember lefty pundits on many television shows (FOX – MSNBC) whining about how “Republicans first thought of this!” I think you can say they were willing to give Mitt a lot of credit if that meant having Republicans cheer this crap on.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:45 AM

who actually believed Romney rebutted this? Ed, I know it’s early.. but come on!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Dick Morris last night on Hannity…..Dick Morris is such an ass oracle.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Funny, NBC doesn’t seem to be so diligent in researching Solyndra or Fast and Furious. Why all the interest in the origins of Obamacare all of a sudden?

forest on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Its a stick to beat a republican with.

BobMbx on October 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM

But but but he’s leading in the latest NBC/Marist polls???

These idiots better go after him hard tonight, even though he can’t break his 25% ceiling.. it’s becoming more apparent he’s going to cruise to the nomination and we’re screwed.

davek70 on October 11, 2011 at 9:48 AM

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

Drained Brain on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Busy work – trying to cheer up Obama.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Dick Morris last night on Hannity…..Dick Morris is such an ass oracle.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 9:46 AM

tool… it’s a multifunctional word.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:49 AM

I would be disappointed if Cain doesn’t at least try to separate himself from the blatant statism.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Cain, contrary to what many on HA have insinuated, has gone after Mittens, but he’s been very subtle thus far. At the last debate he criticized both him and Perry for bickering over Social Security while not offering any real solutions. And he also gave Mittens a little jab over needing to support 9-9-9 in order to receive consideration as his running mate.

They’ll reportedly be along side one another onstage tonight, so it’ll be interesting to see if they start to attack each other’s positions. I really hope Cain takes it to Romney(and coherently, unlike Perry). I think he’d find himself leading in a lot of polls if he did that.

Doughboy on October 11, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Why didn’t any of this come out four years ago?

itsnotaboutme on October 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Because it hadn’t happened yet.

Youngs98 on October 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM

OK, sorry for not clarifying.
I meant any of the other RomneyCare stories we’ve been inundated with in the last few months.

itsnotaboutme on October 11, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Cain, contrary to what many on HA have insinuated, has gone after Mittens, but he’s been very subtle thus far. At the last debate he criticized both him and Perry for bickering over Social Security while not offering any real solutions. And he also gave Mittens a little jab over needing to support 9-9-9 in order to receive consideration as his running mate.

They’ll reportedly be along side one another onstage tonight, so it’ll be interesting to see if they start to attack each other’s positions. I really hope Cain takes it to Romney(and coherently, unlike Perry). I think he’d find himself leading in a lot of polls if he did that.

Doughboy on October 11, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Cain has made several direct (at times unwise) attacks on Perry. Not subtle attacks. Now, if he wants to go after Perry for in-state tuition or something, great. But Obamneycare, anyone? I agree with you in your second paragraph. Tonight could be a big night – or not.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:55 AM

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

The aim is to suppress voter turnout by making us feel as though there are no good choices.

I happen to believe that Romney is not a good choice (although still better than Obama), but the White House knows he is a threat as long as conservatives bother to vote next November because enough of us will vote ABO to win back the WH. However, if the base is so dispirited by their choices that some of them stay home, then Obama has a much better chance of winning.

Y-not on October 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM

I hate love to say: I told you so.

Whoever thought Obama/Dems do not have a plan to destroy Romney must be living in la-la land.

Romney has been running for President since 2006. He lost the 2008 primary to McCain and became the GOP’s “next-in-line”.

Now we are seeing how quickly Romneycare can make it into the news when the Dems decide to make it an issue.

TheRightMan on October 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Okay. Now this is disgusting. Wall Street Protesters chant that they can do anything, including bestiality. Will Obamacare cover the poor animals? Fester Boyle has the story at the The Morning Spew.

http://themorningspew.com/2011/10/11/repeat-after-me-you-can-make-sweet-sweet-love-to-animals/

bloggless on October 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM

WhichMitt shows up at the debate.

beatcanvas on October 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Jeeze y’all, its obvious. Either Obama knew Romney would be his 2012 opponent and set it up that way. Or, he got ahold of Cheney’s time machine and sent Sheriff Joe back to set Romney up.

Those are the only ways it could happen.

cozmo on October 11, 2011 at 9:58 AM

Romney has ‘successfully refuted’ the ‘blueprint’ commentary so far?

In what universe, and what are you smoking, Ed? Romneycare continues to be one of the BIGGEST beefs against Romney as a candidate – he’s successfully refuted nothing.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:00 AM

I don’t see how this hurts Romeny any more than before. His plan was first and The Won was looking for advisers with expertise and these folks are it. The sad thing is that they were smart enough to even improve on it, I assume because they thought they were working with an endless stream of revenue.

Cindy Munford on October 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM

I think you can say they were willing to give Mitt a lot of credit if that meant having Republicans cheer this crap on.

MeatHeadinCA on October 11, 2011 at 9:45 AM

I had forgotten about that since it was pretty early on in the process. They did give him credit when it suited them, then when it looked like people were behind it it was all Obama, then they passed it, saw what was in it, and now it’s Romney’s baby again.

DrAllecon on October 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

Drained Brain on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Because they want to encourage the GOP to stick with Mr. “Herb” Cain.

When your opponent is bent on destroying himself/herself, why not give him a hand.

The Dems thought they will go along with Romney and finish him off in the general but if many are bent on pushing in an inexperienced and weaker opponent in Cain, why not help them?

TheRightMan on October 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Occupy Beacon Hill!

steebo77 on October 11, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Romney better be ready to distinguish Romneycare from Obamacare in the debate, or Herman Cain might be a front runner (that would not bother me at all).

Here is why entitlements are the problem. The math/budget problem we are facing (H/T to Don’t Tread 2012 over at Althouse for this):

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000,000

Now let’s remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget.

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent this year: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total annual budget cuts: $385

Our problem is spending. There is no way to tax our way out of this. And the nominee who can effectively explain this in the general election debates and during that race should win against Obama.

Mr. Joe on October 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Time for another reminder that Mittens is the only candidate a conservative should consider, complete with wagging finger from our elitist leaders.

search4truth on October 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM

More than a thousand countries.

I’d be surprised to find more than 200. Thanks to ABC, the State Department can now send ambassadors to these newly discovered countries. JOBS!

BobMbx on October 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM

According to State, there are 195 “official” countries in the world (they call them “Independent States”).

The largest number of “countries” I’ve ever encountered in a list is the “Radio Country List”, which shortwave radio fans use. That is the total number of countries that have had shortwave radio stations on the air since the end of World War II; that list is over 250 countries.

http://naswa.net/images/NASWA_country_list.pdf

Del Dolemonte on October 11, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Just another reason why the Republicans should NEVER, EVER, nominate Romney to head the ticket next year!!

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on October 11, 2011 at 10:05 AM

I don’t see how this hurts Romney any more than before.

Cindy Munford on October 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM

It does big time.

And conservatives should be grateful that the Dems are pushing forward their plan to bring down Romney a peg or two after Bachmann/Cain/Santorum – the so-called “conservatives” – refused to do so.

It is also great to see Gov. Perry’s attacks on Romney starting to catch up. Genius using Romney’s “Nice Try” against him.

TheRightMan on October 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM

“Anybody but Obama” = Disaster 2013.

Bat Chain Puller on October 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM

We’ll never know which it was, but I suspect it wasn’t just dumb luck.

It doesn’t matter. We need every bit of this stuff out in the open now. Let Perry and the rest attack Romney ad nauseam and see if he can weather it. If he can’t weather the weakest candidates we have, he certainly wont weather the demrat attack and we need a different front runner.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Funny, NBC doesn’t seem to be so diligent in researching Solyndra or Fast and Furious. Why all the interest in the origins of Obamacare all of a sudden?

forest on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Because it is a Republican debate…not a democrat debate…they are attacking him for RomneyCare, which, btw, he has not successfully rebutted as Allah tried to point out.

right2bright on October 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Cain/Romney – Cain is the idea guy, like Reagan; Romney would be a good VP in the Cheney model, with more experience in government.

Might work….

CatoRenasci on October 11, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Romney has ‘successfully refuted’ the ‘blueprint’ commentary so far?

In what universe, and what are you smoking, Ed? Romneycare continues to be one of the BIGGEST beefs against Romney as a candidate – he’s successfully refuted nothing.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:00 AM

That’s the media spin Dick Morris was giving Romney cover last night over spawn of Obamacare. If the media repeats it enough that Romney explained it to everyone’s satisfaction, it’s settled right?

I don’t remember Hannity pushing back against Morris very hard last night over his assertion that Romney has sufficiently explained that Romneycare wasn’t blue print for Obamacare, just a fiction Obama’s been propagating…….well until know.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Our problem is spending. There is no way to tax our way out of this. And the nominee who can effectively explain this in the general election debates and during that race should win against Obama.

Mr. Joe on October 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Nicely explained…

right2bright on October 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM

who actually believed Romney rebutted this? Ed, I know it’s early.. but come on!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

The polls prove it. But I don’t expect you to have a balanced view of the political process.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:13 AM

The Dems thought they will go along with Romney and finish him off in the general but if many are bent on pushing in an inexperienced and weaker opponent in Cain, why not help them?

Hahahahaha!! *taking breath* Hahahaha!!! Go Robamney!

DanaSmiles on October 11, 2011 at 10:15 AM

The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said

Jon Gruber, an MIT economist

who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009,

Jon Gruber. Remember that name? He’s the MIT specialist that Ed wrote about who was in hot water over being paid by HHS and not telling congress that when he testified before them.

He IS the architect of the Mass plan amongst others that he or his work (patented work) used by the Robert Woods foundation or the Kaiser foundation as the building blocks of the others- Maine, Tenn.

He also “proved” with his patented formula that Mass care would save money, that obamacare would save money and Mainstreet Alliance used his work and smallbusinessmajority used his work and then they testified before Congress also that we needed Obamacare.

journeyintothewhirlwind on October 11, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Hannity loves Romney. He has him on the radio as often as he can get him, then tosses him softballs.

Last time he was on Hannity opened with “I’m not gonna ask you about Romneycare…”

And, come on, Hannity is incapable of pushing back against a cheese sandwich, he’s not going to push back against even a lightweight like Morris.

mankai on October 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM

The polls prove it. But I don’t expect you to have a balanced view of the political process.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:13 AM

polls proved Romney was right? On his own frankenstien of a creation?

Oh yes,the polls proved how much it is actually costing people (rich and poor) and how it obviously bloated out like a dead fish on a river bank.

If that is what you mean, then by all means, shout it out!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM

who actually believed Romney rebutted this? Ed, I know it’s early.. but come on!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Rebutted is correct. Romney has offered a counterargument. He has not, however, refuted the charges, which means that Romney has proved them wrong–which he hasn’t.

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Rebutted is correct. Romney has offered a counterargument. He has not, however, refuted the charges, which means that Romney has proved them wrong–which he hasn’t.

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM

it is 630 in the morning. I was thinking refuted… LOL good catch. Sorry Ed. Thanks BS

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM

The Dems thought they will go along with Romney and finish him off in the general but if many are bent on pushing in an inexperienced and weaker opponent in Cain, why not help them?

Hahahahaha!! *taking breath* Hahahaha!!! Go Robamney!

DanaSmiles on October 11, 2011 at 10:15 AM

That’s what got Obama the Democrat nomination remember, Operation Chaos. There is no originality in campaigning, they just copy each other’s moves.

So TEAM Obama learned a trick in the 2008 primary campaign from Rush Limbaugh, and they are employing it now against the Republicans.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 10:25 AM

We have to nominate Romney because he isn’t a crazy extremist! He’s just like the Democrats, and Independents love Democrats!

Mitt ’12

Because we need to be like Obama in order to defeat Obama!

(paid for by your great grandchildren via indentured servitude)

Kensington on October 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM

mankai on October 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I could understand Hannity relating to Romney, Hannity is from the New England area – NYC, and Mitt Romney was Governor of Massachusetts…..I don’t know what rock Dick Morris crawled out from under or why he’s humping a weak candidate like Romney :)

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Because we need to be like Obama in order to defeat Obama!

(paid for by your great grandchildren via indentured servitude)

Kensington on October 11, 2011 at 10:26 AM

George W Bush: I had to destroy the free market system to save the free market system……yeah the Republican brain trust appears to be running on fumes.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 10:32 AM

I swear I will vote for barry HUSSEIN before I vote for RINO ROMNEY…..then at least the country can totally go to shiiiit and then in 2016 enough liberals will be unemployed, broke and most cities and states will be bankrupt that we can elect a true conservative…….

SDarchitect on October 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

it will be interesting to see if any of the others on stage care enough about this report to do the same thing, or if it’s going to be a Perry-attacks-Mitt, Mitt-defends-self, nobody-else-says-anything-about-it-the-rest-of-the-night sort of thing, preferring to go after more important issues like painted rocks outside hunting leases in the Abilene area.

jon1979 on October 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Exactly!! This is what kills me lately. Everyone wants the vetting of Perry, but only Perry on stage goes after Romney. Is there no intellectual curiosity or desire to discuss anyone but Perry’s un-conservative cred?

kerrhome on October 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

“While other states came to Texas to see how we created a great economic climate for jobs growth, Obama came to Massachusetts to see how to impose a federal mandate on Americans and take over the health-care sector.” (Or I’d expect to hear a line like that if Perry can deliver it.)

“While other states…uh, folks from other states, mmmm…came to Texas for a job…er, to see how great, uh, the climate for economic growth……jobs. And Obama looked at…uh, went to Massachusetts to mandate Obamneycare, uh, to learn how to mandate healthcare, mmmm…Obamacare.”

Study, governor, study!

cartooner on October 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Surprize!

This is stupid. Of course Democrats advised both plans, Massachusetts is a Democrat state.

Now if you see Obama calling up Romney for advise get back to me.

All this has been known for a long time.

Quit making a mountain out of a mole hill.

You hate Romney and are looking for a reason not to vote for him.

That is the only explanation of why this is such a big deal to you. Because on it’s merits it is not anything at all.

petunia on October 11, 2011 at 10:36 AM

I swear I will vote for barry HUSSEIN before I vote for RINO ROMNEY…..then at least the country can totally go to shiiiit and then in 2016 enough liberals will be unemployed, broke and most cities and states will be bankrupt that we can elect a true conservative…….

SDarchitect on October 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

a man with a mission.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:36 AM

If that is what you mean, then by all means, shout it out!

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM

The polls prove Romney has taken the issue over and has framed the debate as a states rights issue. These attacks by Perry and Obama are simply another attempt to take the issue away from him. The first clue is that Perry and Obama are on the same page on this. Namely giving the Romney the credit to weaken him with the base. Perry does it because he is only interested in winning the nomination and doesn’t look to the general. Obama does it to weaken Romney in order to get a GOP candidate nominated that wont have a chance to beat him.

You view of this is tainted by your desire that a different candidate be nominated. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM

I swear I will vote for barry HUSSEIN before I vote for RINO ROMNEY…..then at least the country can totally go to shiiiit and then in 2016 enough liberals will be unemployed, broke and most cities and states will be bankrupt that we can elect a true conservative…….

SDarchitect on October 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!!! You watch too many Transformer movies. But I have available for you, the Official Hack-Off-My-Nose-To-Spite-America butter knife. To be eligible for a rebate just send a photo of yourself hacking your nose off while screaming at the top of your lungs…”I told you 8astards so!!!”.

ROTFLMMFAO!

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:45 AM

This is why Republicans need to get answers to these two questions:

1. Why won’t or when will Romney release correspondence between his administration ans the state legislature concerning Mass-Care?

2. Did Romney ever criticize the first point in Mass-Care’s mission– “Mass-Care’s mission is to establish a Single Payer Health Care System”?

Jason Coleman on October 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM

But why would the White House want to weaken Romney?

Drained Brain on October 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Maybe because Romney polls better against Obama than the other Republican candidates, and the White House sees him as a threat.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM

That is the only explanation of why this is such a big deal to you. Because on it’s merits it is not anything at all.

petunia on October 11, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Wrong. It does merit plenty of debate (vetting). Because of Perry’s ham-handed debating and the rest of the pack’s timidity, Romney has only had to brush off any criticism on this. This is far more important than Perry’s Gardasil hysteria.

cartooner on October 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM

which Romney has successfully rebutted — at least until now.

What?!?! Says who? Every time someone brings this up, we have everyone at Hot Air, AoSHQ, etc. saying “hey, everyone knows about this already (e.g., “it’s baked into the cake”), it is stupid to bring it up”, essentially put it off limits. Is that how you successfully rebut something? Keep everyone from talking about it?

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Maybe because Romney polls better against Obama than the other Republican candidates, and the White House sees him as a threat.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Hey .. I think I may have found the first thing that I agree with the WH on – that Romney is a threat (I know – I think it is to the country, they think it is to them, but … whatever)

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Michele Bachmann will probably get into the action, as will Rick Santorum.

Romney’s toadies go after him? Don’t count on it.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I swear I will vote for barry HUSSEIN before I vote for RINO ROMNEY…..then at least the country can totally go to shiiiit and then in 2016 enough liberals will be unemployed, broke and most cities and states will be bankrupt that we can elect a true conservative…….

SDarchitect on October 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Not me. While there are better Republican candidates out there, if Romney gets the nomination, he’s a whole lot better than the Obamanation, and he’ll get my vote. A lot of us can’t afford four more years of Obama while waiting for the next Reagan.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM

You view of this is tainted by your desire that a different candidate be nominated. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM

My View? I have friends in Mass who have to pay for this crappy medical coverage ON TOP OF different medical coverage. Unless Romney is the last man standing, there is no way I am voting for a man who lied about something he started.

How about this. You are delusional concerning Romney. And you need to start thinking outside your little Romney Bubble, because the man is chasing his own tail to get out of the political blunder he made for himself.

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

We’ll know for sure after tonight whether or not these candidates outside of Perry are at all interested in going after Mittens or if they’re angling for a position in his administration.

Doughboy on October 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Yes! I so look forward to finding that out.

kg598301 on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

if Romney gets the nomination, he’s a whole lot better than the Obamanation, and he’ll get my vote.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I disagree, and I will not vote for Romney (again – voted for him in the primary last time).

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM

So good to see the Mittbots out in force trying to convince everyone that Obama won’t *rape* Romney on this topic if Romney is the nominee.

Wait, actually, he won’t – because ObamaCare will *never* come up as a topic if Romney is the nominee. It *can’t* come up because with every whack Romney would take at Obama with that stick, he’d whack himself in the face in the process.

If you can’t envision the media chorus chanting “why ya hitting yourself? why ya hitting yourself? why ya hitting yourself?” every time, then you really should take your fingers out of your ears.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM

You view of this is tainted by your desire that a different candidate be nominated. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Well said, and precisely what I keep thinking as I read your enthusiastic Romney posts.

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM

That is the only explanation of why this is such a big deal to you. Because on it’s merits it is not anything at all.

petunia on October 11, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Yeah, nothing at all…

When if Mitt “I’ll repeal Obamacare first thing!” Romney gets the GOP nomination, anytime he tries to criticize Obama on healthcare in a general election debate all Obama would have to say is “I remember meeting with your advisor, Jon Gruber, when we were working on healthcare reform, and he said you did x in Mass. and it worked, so we put that in our federal legislation,” and then the media megaphone would start pumping it out…

Yeah, nothing to see here. Move along, Mittwitts…

cs89 on October 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Romney has said that it is different because it is a state law and not federal. Well that is crap. I have always said the easiest way to sum up freedom is to say that you have the right to do anything that does not infringe on the rights of someone else. If I do not buy insurance that doesn’t hurt anyone else. It doesn’t matter that it is MA or TX, it is still a loss of freedom!

jeffn21 on October 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM

And you need to start thinking outside your little Romney Bubble,

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Don’t be too hard on him; he’s probably being paid to post here and this is the only job that he can get other than Occupying Wall Street.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM

A lot of us can’t afford four more years of Obama while waiting for the next Reagan.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Absolutely.

4 years of Obama-lite, further weakening the GOP/conservative brand will do us all a *whole* lot better in the long run. Imagine; 4 years of a ‘republican’ pushing healthcare mandates, global warming/cap & trade economy destroying regulation, perpetuating weak alternative energy subsidies, and more – how wonderful for us!

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM

You view of this is tainted by your desire that a different candidate be nominated. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

csdeven on October 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM

My only desire is keep all statist, “technocrats” who think that they know better than me or the American people how to manage our own lives out of the White House. That means no Obama, and no Romney. Other than that, I’ll vote for whoever is in the lead when I go to the polls.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Not me. While there are better Republican candidates out there, if Romney gets the nomination, he’s a whole lot better than the Obamanation, and he’ll get my vote. A lot of us can’t afford four more years of Obama while waiting for the next Reagan.

Steve Z on October 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM

The only change will be political brand from Democrat to Republican. How has Obama been different from George W Bush? Romney will just be more of the same. It’s the progressive agenda -vision shared in both parties. The only thing that will change is who get’s to eat at the corporate troughs first.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM

4 years of Obama-lite, further weakening the GOP/conservative brand will do us all a *whole* lot better in the long run. Imagine; 4 years of a ‘republican’ pushing healthcare mandates, global warming/cap & trade economy destroying regulation, perpetuating weak alternative energy subsidies, and more – how wonderful for us!

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Remember how Republicans were happy that they were able to keep the Tea Party and their energy in the fold in 2010? Imagine what a Romney presidency will do for that. Romney will send the Republican party into minority status for a generation, or to the same fate as the Whigs.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Midas on October 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM

yep, ObamneyCare won’t even get a mention, but Mitten’s private sector experience as head of a private equity firm sure will. Team Obama is salivating at the thought of revealing Romney as the greedy billionaire, layoff king and exporter of American jobs that has kept his economic plans from working. Romney’s term as a governor holds nothing helpful beyond the title of governor to help Mittens.

cartooner on October 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM

upinak on October 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM

The percentage of people in Massachusetts who had healthcare coverage before Romneycare was 93% now it’s 96%. Take a look at the price tag of Romneycare, to cover 3% more of the population of Massachusetts.

It never was about healthcare coverage it was about an incubator for national healthcare model – and Mitt oversaw the birth and development.

What’s incredible is that 75% Republican base aren’t buying into Mitt’s explanation of his involvement, but the Media insist that Mitt Romney, doesn’t have a problem with the issue, like last night on Hannity when Dick Morris was giving Romney cover – you know he explained it, really it’s settled. It’s the freakin 800 lb gorilla following Romney around.

Dr Evil on October 11, 2011 at 11:12 AM

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