Cain tops MLC straw poll with more than 50%

posted at 5:00 pm on October 9, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Let’s just get it out of the way and all recite the mantra at once, shall we?

Straw polls don’t mean anything.

But for those who still like to follow them, we had yet another this weekend in Minnesota at the Midwestern Leadership Conference. And once again Herman Cain mopped up the competition, this time registering the largest margin of victory yet, bringing home more than half the votes.

Former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain rounded out a very good week with a straw poll victory at the Midwest Leadership Conference in Minnesota on Saturday.

Cain pulled off a decisive win, garnering 52.6 percent of the vote and beating Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann in her own backyard. Bachmann took a distant second place with 12.2 percent of the vote, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 11.1 percent. Texas Rep. Ron Paul attracted 10.7 percent of the vote while Texas Gov. Rick Perry got just 4 percent.

Cain’s numbers are stunning to be sure, but what is probably the saddest footnote of this event is the fact that Bachmann barely broke out of single digits in her own home state. That campaign may not be officially dead, but they’ve got a priest on standby with a copy of the last rites.

Also, following the Values Voter Summit, this is two back-to-back outings where Rick Perry – who was briefly the newly crowned king of the pack – sank below the background noise level. (Though sitting on $15M in donations can salve a lot of wounds.) Mitt didn’t do much better than that, though he at least managed to edge out Ron Paul for once.

There will be singing and dancing in Cain-Town this week to be sure. No matter what you think of straw polls, headlines which include words like “winning” are always good news for a candidate seeking to expand their name recognition and drive donors to pry open their wallets. Cain has been racking up one impressive showing after another lately, and talk about Herminator Momentum is getting harder and harder to treat like a joke.

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canopfor on October 9, 2011 at 7:35 PM
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Nice link.. Thanks..:)

PS..Hope weekend with Grandson went well..:)

Dire Straits on October 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Dire Straits:Thanks,yes it was,and after chasing him around,
the house,baths/bed time,me muscles got a work
out!:)

canopfor on October 9, 2011 at 7:53 PM

canopfor on October 9, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Good deal and so cool!..:)

Dire Straits on October 9, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I love the fact that Mr Cains victory after victory has the collective nay sayers panties in a wad. We the people are tired of business as usual. We don’t /wont accept yet another career politician. Been there done that we ended up trillions in debt. No more status quo. We demand change and Mr Cain is that change.

ColdWarrior57 on October 9, 2011 at 8:03 PM

I like Cain as a speaker and for some of his outlooks. I think he is stuck with 9 and 9 and then no third 9 as no one will trust the federal government with a sales tax. That said widening the tax base, removing all the special taxes and loopholes and putting a flat tax in place is a very good idea… maybe a 13/13 plan… this would remove FICA and give everyone the same tax rate, which might actually help at some of the lower income levels. Plus it will put a bunch of tax preparers out of work.

After that, he does have to understand that while we may speak of the President as the ‘CEO of the Nation’ it really isn’t: government isn’t a business but an organ for exercising the sovereign powers of the Nation. It can’t ‘make money’ save for printing it and it has authorized way too much of that. His time at the KC Fed is a blessing (yes he knows banking) and a curse (unfortunately as part of the federal reserve system). The Fed is very expedient for politicians… while the goal of the Framers was to have any banks set up by the federal government have to be examined on a regular basis and that has never, ever happened with the Federal Reserve System. An insider who knew the ropes could get a full audit going as President… so far no word on that.

He does have some idea of the problem of the size, scope and power of the federal government, and I would like to hear more from him on that. I have agencies I want to see gone, not just temporarily sidelined with EOs, but put out of our misery. I am not going to vote for an efficient manager of a system that is becoming highly authoritarian: anyone who will do nothing to start taking off these appendages to the federal government is doing us no favor and leaving them to be abused by a less good President. And, yes, I will have that on my required ‘must do’ check off list for a candidate. Not doing it, no vote. Plain and simple.

As to all the EOs here is a concept for all the Czars: “You’re Fired”

See? No EO needed.

Want to know how far that should really go? To the entire Senior Executive Service of the US Federal Government. Require the civil service to answer directly to the President. All of those SES positions are one year renewable and these people can be fired from them. It is time to start getting accountability and the fear of the Executive back into the civil service. And for those agencies that need to go the best people to draft the plans for the demise of the agency are the underlings running it. If you need an SES then it is: fire until competence is found. Worked for Lincoln in running a war and should work for the agencies that are necessary in peace time.

So far I’m getting no luck on a lot of these topics and any candidate that cannot generate a simple policy statement (not a few hundred pages of plans not linked to a policy) isn’t getting anywhere with me. Right now that is almost the entire field, and a few candidates don’t seem to realize there is a difference between how you run your staff and what a policy is. That is bad.

Now I’m starting to think that Operation Counterweight is the way to go. The most likeable of candidates still don’t seem to have a clue as to what the basics are… that is pretty awful considering one of them has been at this running for President business for nearly 5 years and a few of the others are supposed to be real hotshots in this policy realm. Be nice if they could show it and ditch the plans until they got their policies figured out. It is one of those cart-horse order arrangement deals.

I will vote for someone who demonstrates they have a clue on what policy is.

Instead it is time to concentrate closer to home so the next Congress can’t screw us like this last batch did. Time to remove some of the local corruption and Incumbistani Emirs. Being in Congress is a job, not a career. A lot of the careerists have to go now.

ajacksonian on October 9, 2011 at 8:05 PM

If Perry is the nominee, Obama can call off the moving vans. In just a few days, Perry managed to call the Fed treasonous, call strong-border conservatives heartless, use a dead woman to defend executive overreach, and have a nationally televised brain-fart. Obama will eat him alive.

andy85719 on October 9, 2011 at 6:50 PM

LOL, everyone has their own interpretation of what Gov. Perry actually said.

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Oh, Romney will be dragging back every old establishmentarian-type retread you can think of. To a lesser extent the same goes for Perry.

ddrintn on October 9, 2011 at 6:54 PM

I must have missed Gov.Perry’s choice of various positions. Do you have a link for them?

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Cain gets the big picture, and can lead. That is what we are sorely lacking right now in a President.
1. Domestic Policy: Grow the Economy so every American has the opportunity to obtain his or her Dream.
2. Foreign Policy: Peace through Strength and Clarity
3. Leadership: Devise solutions to the problems besetting Americans and inspire others to implement them.

If a President can do this nothing else matters because the individual will handle the rest; if a President cannot do this nothing else matters because the individual will be unable to handle the rest.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM

You can go back years to Cain’s take-down of Clinton and see that he NEVER changed his position on healthcare…can you do so with Romneycare??? Pokemom/Punchenko, I know this will be hard for you to explain…

lovingmyUSA on October 9, 2011 at 6:54 PM

What’s there to explain? Cain had 15 minutes of fame reciting his canned response to Clinton. Luckily some of us count experience as more important that pithy soundbites when electing the next President of the United States. Some would call this behaving and making rational choices like an adult. I will be most interested in hearing Herman’s psoitions on pressing issues taking place in Europe, Syria, Egypt, Israel, and our economic relationship with China. Too bad for him substance, as opposed to Hannity-esque boilerplate soundbites, will be what most of us are looking for in his answers.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM

This is not someone who understands what was going on in 2008.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Thanks for the link. You know when that financial crisis hit and McCain rushed back to D.C, etc? Well, why is it that we’ve never been told who caused this? It was all done electronically, so it’s known, but I’ve not heard nor read it even mentioned.
They know, but aren’t talking:-)

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Cain gets the big picture, and can lead. That is what we are sorely lacking right now in a President.
1. Domestic Policy: Grow the Economy so every American has the opportunity to obtain his or her Dream.
2. Foreign Policy: Peace through Strength and Clarity
3. Leadership: Devise solutions to the problems besetting Americans and inspire others to implement them.

If a President can do this nothing else matters because the individual will handle the rest; if a President cannot do this nothing else matters because the individual will be unable to handle the rest.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM

How can he “lead” a government when he has no experience in government? Many of you are going to be disappointed when Herman throws his support behind Romney.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Thanks for the link. You know when that financial crisis hit and McCain rushed back to D.C, etc? Well, why is it that we’ve never been told who caused this? It was all done electronically, so it’s known, but I’ve not heard nor read it even mentioned.
They know, but aren’t talking:-)

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:17 PM

The names have been changed to protect the guilty?

That is probably the truth. Money men from both sides were party to it and there’s no partisan benefit to releasing the names.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:17 PM
The names have been changed to protect the guilty?

That is probably the truth. Money men from both sides were party to it and there’s no partisan benefit to releasing the names.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Well, we are currently seeing more and more things coming to the surface, F&F, Solyndra. I’m sure we’ll find out about this too.

bluefox on October 9, 2011 at 8:35 PM

I was leaning toward Cain after a long time as a lukewarm Romney supporter. When I found out Cain has a BS in math and an MS in computer science I was sold. Those disciplines take, well, discipline, and they are not for the weak-minded. The man is a super-rational problem solver. He’ll get my vote.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM

You complain about Cain pulling the race card, but look at what you did here. See how easy that was?

kim roy on October 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Funny — you yourself thought andy meant us here at HA the other night:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/07/quotes-of-the-day-824/comment-page-4/#comment-4987022

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 9, 2011 at 7:05 PM

What does that have to do with anything? He asked the question here in a generic sense. I answered for here as I can’t speak for places that I don’t read, watch or listen to. I’m here and I haven’t seen anything racist here, but I don’t see everything.

Quit trying to spin. You went straight to the “racist” connotation of cracker instead of the parrot reference that was made earlier. No big deal. I doubt anyone thinks you’re racist. I certainly don’t.

I do, however, think you are too quick to defend Perry and make accusations against Cain, but nothing wrong with being enthusiastic. Do try and be fair. ;)

kim roy on October 9, 2011 at 9:18 PM

When I found out Cain has a BS in math and an MS in computer science I was sold. Those disciplines take, well, discipline, and they are not for the weak-minded. The man is a super-rational problem solver. He’ll get my vote.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM

You sound like one of the many Democrats that were so impressed with Obama’s magna cum laude law degree from Harvard Law School that you just *had* to vote for the man.

Have we learned nothing after four years?

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Tyrone Slothrop on October 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM
I think he actually had a double major in Math and Physics, if I am not mistaken, which is why his job was in ballistics analysis for the Dept. of the Navy. I asked my husband (he was a physics major) why that would be a job he could do. Trajectory, dear. Oh.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 9:29 PM

YES!! No more carrer pols!

Winebabe on October 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Have we learned nothing after four years?

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Hard Sciences are a little different than law in terms of problem solving, which is the point Tyrone was making. He also said in his Values Voter speech that one of his heroes was Dr. Benjamin E. Mays. You can tell alot about someone by looking at who they admire.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 9:34 PM

SP? Career! We have been drinking too much wine! LOL!

Winebabe on October 9, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Many of you are going to be disappointed when Herman throws his support behind Romney.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM

He endorsed Romney in 2008. I heard him asked why he didn’t support Romney anymore once. He lost, was his reply. I think he is in it to win it. What does he have to lose? His defeat of cancer gave him a different perspective than most of the pols on the stage. Less timid and less worried about political correctness.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Hard Sciences are a little different than law in terms of problem solving, which is the point Tyrone was making. He also said in his Values Voter speech that one of his heroes was Dr. Benjamin E. Mays. You can tell alot about someone by looking at who they admire.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Once again, you are making a value judgment about a Presidential candidate based on what they studied in college and the degree they eventually earned. Many of the same people on these threads making such value judgments based on Cain’s educational experiences are also doing so based on his speeches/soundbites.

It’s as if the 2008 Obama campaign has caused some to be more interested in vacuous candidates lacking a record in office or any experience working within and managing government. It appears that speeches and one’s major is now driving voting preferences in both the GOP and the Dems.

This is a deeply depressing development.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Mitt didn’t do much better than that

11% vs 4% is not much better? ? ?

hanzblinx on October 9, 2011 at 9:48 PM

It’s as if the 2008 Obama campaign has caused some to be more interested in vacuous candidates lacking a record in office or any experience working within and managing government. It appears that speeches and one’s major is now driving voting preferences in both the GOP and the Dems.

This is a deeply depressing development.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Its a recognition that the political class have failed the country.

That doesn’t mean that someone like Cain is the answer but it is understandable that people might start looking at alternatives with the thought that they could hardly do worse.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 9:50 PM

He endorsed Romney in 2008. I heard him asked why he didn’t support Romney anymore once. He lost, was his reply. I think he is in it to win it. What does he have to lose? His defeat of cancer gave him a different perspective than most of the pols on the stage. Less timid and less worried about political correctness.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM

He doesn’t have anything to lose because he is not in it to win it. He is selling books, getting his brand out, and will eventually endorse Romney, join the ticket, or use his new found fame to run for another office.

I like what Cain says and I agree with him on most issues, but I know he will not be the nominee and his continued place in the second slot just kills off any credible challenge to Romney. At this rate, with Cain and the primary dates being moved, Romney is almost certain is snagging the nomination (unless Perry’s brain begins functioning or Newt convinces the base he is not sleazy for sitting on the dirty couch.)

What does concern me is so many falling hopelessly in love with a man who we have yet to really hear from. He doesn’t get much attention during the debates — yet — and most seem all but certain that they are in his camp. What are his opinions on Europe, Asia, Egypt, Syria, and Israel? How will he address the European debt crisis, a second recession, or the growing hostility between Israelis and Palestinians a midst the latter’s intention to have their statehood recognized by the UN.

So many questions,TxMom, and yet so few answers.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Its a recognition that the political class have failed the country.

That doesn’t mean that someone like Cain is the answer but it is understandable that people might start looking at alternatives with the thought that they could hardly do worse.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Cain has been actively trying to join the political class. You want an outsider yet all the outsiders — including Cain — are bent on becoming insiders. There are no “outsiders”. All who run for office and seek office have a will to power. All Cain has offered thus far are a few jabs to Obama, OWS, and boilerplate conservatism which doesn’t address the real issues: an incoherent foreign policy; a crumbling economy and out of control entitlements; a judiciary that has lorded over legislators and the states; unchecked illegal immigration; and China’s growing influence with our money and our jobs. These are all but a smattering of the issues he needs to address.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:52 PM
Well I am content to let the primaries play out without having a hissy fit. I will support the eventual nominee, so since my vote doesn’t matter because the nominee is always chosen by the time the primaries get to my state, I will observe and comment. The process is good so that the eventual nominee is as strong as possible.

txmomof6 on October 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Once again, you are making a value judgment about a Presidential candidate based on what they studied in college

Excuse me, do you wish to rethink that? Shallow thinking. Herman and Perry are the most accomplished people in the race. Gingrich could make an argument but he was not a good Speaker. He wore out his welcome even with his friends. I congratulate him on becoming Catholic but that doesn’t erase the scandalous treatment of his first wife. There are legions of “Value Voters” who won’t forget what an arrogant selfish ass he was to his “beloved”. Like with Slick Willie if you’ll lie to your wife who won’t you lie to?

Herman is fun, clean, smart and experienced. He’s starting to strut a bit. To me that’s damn good news. He deserves the spotlight.

rcl on October 9, 2011 at 10:05 PM

All who run for office and seek office have a will to power.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Give me a break. Did you read The Republic this week? Shall we seek our Philosopher King?

Other than writing in Jesus is there a candidate that meets your standards?

rcl on October 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I know all that and I don’t honestly think much of Cain, or Romney, or dare I say it, Perry. None of them rise to the level that I think will be needed to defeat Obama. A lot of people are dismissing Obama’s electoral chances without thinking about it.

He shouldn’t have won the 2008 primary against Hillary, nor should he have won the general against McCain. He did win them both. Sarah Palin was taken out by the media and yet some of the same folks that couldn’t vote for her because…(fill in vague media supplied reason), think that their favorite son will make it to the finish line.

The media can do to anyone what they did to Palin, and they have every intention of doing so. Look at how many candidates have gone down in flames and we are still a year out from election day.

sharrukin on October 9, 2011 at 10:14 PM

I realize this is somewhat of an oversimplification but it looks like the Republican Establishment is coalescing around Romney but the rest of us want Cain.

bindare on October 9, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Excuse me, do you wish to rethink that? Shallow thinking. Herman and Perry are the most accomplished people in the race. Gingrich could make an argument but he was not a good Speaker. He wore out his welcome even with his friends. I congratulate him on becoming Catholic but that doesn’t erase the scandalous treatment of his first wife. There are legions of “Value Voters” who won’t forget what an arrogant selfish ass he was to his “beloved”. Like with Slick Willie if you’ll lie to your wife who won’t you lie to?

Herman is fun, clean, smart and experienced. He’s starting to strut a bit. To me that’s damn good news. He deserves the spotlight.

rcl on October 9, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Excuse me, I think you should read my post and rethink your comment. You sound woefully misinformed, rcl. First, I never said Perry was unqualified or inexperienced. Perry was a state legislator and a governor. Perry also wore the uniform of his country which is an added bonus. I could get behind Perry, but his debate performances — and his comments — have been a wee bit off, wouldn’t you say.

Second, shallow thinking is being “sold” on a candidate based on his/her major in college as well as a soundbite he/she might have uttered that tickled your fancy. Did I say Herman Cain was inexperienced? Yes I did. He never held an elected office, has no record, and wouldn’t know where to begin in enacting a plan for reforming the government and getting the country back on track. I’m tired of “conservatives” who think Hannity-esque boilerplate is enough to get elected these days. I am twice as tired of hearing candidate say “free-market principles” without articulating what policy changes they would make to ensure the free-market thrives. I’m not voting for platitudes.

Finally, Newt’s personal life doesn’t concern me since I am from a younger generation. What he does in his marriage is his business. The man is smart, actually proposes ideas, and can hold his own. He also worked within government and knows how it works to get things done. I trust Newt and his abilities as someone who could really shake things up in Washington.

Other than writing in Jesus is there a candidate that meets your standards?

rcl on October 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Yeah, I could settle on either Perry or Newt. I will hold my nose if it’s Romney and give up and resign myself to the fact Chris Christie will be POTUS in 2016 if it’s Cain.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 10:39 PM

I like Cain’s outsider status and know he’s succeeded as a businessman. But I have no clue if he would be successful at implementing his plans in government as he has NO record in gov’t. Any thoughts?

miConsevative on October 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Who knows? Like you said, he has no record in government.

kg598301 on October 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Has he attacked Mittens yet, or is he still just hawking his book and dumping on Perry, the only viable Mittens alternative in this race?

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Still hawking his book and dumping on Perry. Apparently he has no problem with Romney, go figure.

Great question, btw.

kg598301 on October 9, 2011 at 11:18 PM

lol i see that Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM
has been dissing cain lol easy to spot the trolls

ColdWarrior57 on October 10, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Herman Cain was my second Choice. With My first Choice (Sarah Palin) not running I’m putting all my bets on this man.

This is the kind of man who should’ve been our first Black President.

Chaz706 on October 10, 2011 at 12:39 AM

(unless Perry’s brain begins functioning or Newt convinces the base he is not sleazy for sitting on the dirty couch.)

Punchenko

Perry has brains?

Perry: College male cheerleader with D+ average
Cain: Double major in math and physics and ballistics engineer at the Navy.

Perry never has and never will have brains. He is a big crony pawn.

haner on October 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM

How can he “lead” a government when he has no experience in government? Many of you are going to be disappointed when Herman throws his support behind Romney.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM

How did George Washington “lead” when he had no experience in government?

Browncoatone on October 10, 2011 at 12:52 AM

How did George Washington “lead” when he had no experience in government?

Browncoatone on October 10, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Actually he had about 20 years in government.

As a respected military hero and large landowner, he held local office and was elected to the Virginia provincial legislature, the House of Burgesses, beginning in 1758.

In 1769 he became more politically active, presenting the Virginia Assembly with legislation to ban the importation of goods from Great Britain.

In August, Washington attended the First Virginia Convention, where he was selected as a delegate to the First Continental Congress.

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 1:02 AM

It’s as if the 2008 Obama campaign has caused some to be more interested in vacuous candidates lacking a record in office or any experience working within and managing government. It appears that speeches and one’s major is now driving voting preferences in both the GOP and the Dems.

This is a deeply depressing development.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM

A ridiculous assertion. Obama had no relevant experience at all, even in the legislatures he served. He was nothing, an affirmative action beneficiary who kept being moved along without earning anything. PERIOD.

To compare Cain’s extensive private experience to Obama’s big fat nothing is insulting. Certainly the sort of management skills needed in private industry which relies on voluntary revenue is at least equal to government executives who can force their “customers” to pay the price they set.

I’m not a Cain backer, but you are not an honest critic.

Adjoran on October 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Doughboy on October 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM

We go by their prior records. Newt, Romney, and especially Perry, have ALL been successful at getting their agendas through legislatively, thus, predicting their levels of success is much more that speculation. Or something. I guess it rises to the level of informed guessing, maybe?

preallocated on October 10, 2011 at 1:22 AM

Finally, Newt’s personal life doesn’t concern me since I am from a younger generation. What he does in his marriage is his business. The man is smart, actually proposes ideas, and can hold his own. He also worked within government and knows how it works to get things done. I trust Newt and his abilities as someone who could really shake things up in Washington.

My father is a die hard so-con, around 60 y/o, and will verbatim second every word you just said. His private life means nothing. If we don’t stop the commies we will be aborting babies and grandparents on street corners, and probably selling virgin poonanny on QVC, so Newt’s multiple wives take a barely puttering back burner to the real issues facing us today. I’m a 30 y/o super FC, moderately SC, and Newt would blow the rest of the people out of the water. Perry is a ruh-tard. Cain is … ???? … Profit! Palin … is out?

(Perry | Johnson | Newt | Trump) > (Cain | Palin) > (Romney) > Obama … I guess, -Johnson, the rest are plausible?

preallocated on October 10, 2011 at 1:28 AM

I submit a video you have to watch. It is Sarah Palin’s speech on Friday night. This is what I consider to be one of, if not the best, speech that Sarah Palin has ever given… especially after her saying no to running for the Presidency.

Question… after you watch it, do you really think any of the Republican candidates could or would be able to make a similar speech. That is why she is not running. She has a bigger mission…. to attack the entire corrupt system and to promote her Conservative principles.

Sarah Palin Unshackled – Defending the Republic – http://tinyurl.com/6bdpfvz

PhilipJames on October 10, 2011 at 1:46 AM

Have we learned nothing after four years?

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Yes, we learned that private enterprise experience is necessary, something Obama did not have…leadership is important, something Obama did not have.
One think we have learned the past 50 years…professional politicians have gotten us into this mess…they are not the answer. Maybe it’s time to try something else besides what has failed us the past 50 years.
You want a professional politician, maybe one that can create new programs, pass a lot of bills, say purty things to you…you know, the kind that for the past several decades we voted in because “they had history”…yeah, that’s worked great for us.
Like a battered woman, you keep wanting to go back to your man…

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 1:58 AM

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Where did you copy and paste that from…Mother Jones again, or Media Matters…

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Where did you copy and paste that from…Mother Jones again, or Media Matters…

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Am I now an evil hater of America for posting George Washington’s career highlights?

Like I said before… get a grip.

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:07 AM

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Here just for you Skippy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/275673

ERCOT has counted just 8.7 percent of the state’s installed wind-generation capacity as “dependable capacity at peak.” What happened on Wednesday? Just 880 megawatts out of 10,135 megawatts of wind capacity — 8.68 percent — was actually moving electrons when consumers needed those electrons the most.

What about Rick Perry, a politico who frequently invokes his support for the free market? In 2005, he signed a mandate requiring the state to have at least 6,000 megawatts of renewable capacity by 2015. Perry’s support has been so strong that a wind-energy lobbyist recently told the New York Times that the governor, who’s now a leading contender for the White House, has “been a stalwart in defense of wind energy in this state, no question about it.”

Or is National Review not acceptable either? Maybe it has to come from Perry’s campaign website for you to cast your sensitive eyes upon it?

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:15 AM

Am I now an evil hater of America for posting George Washington’s career highlights?

Like I said before… get a grip.

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:07 AM

No, that was a shot at you, to remind others that you will pull anything, from most anywhere to make your point…you don’t care the source, just as long as it supports what you are looking for.
As I said, a cut and paster from Mother Jones…which you tried to hide the other day.
But glad to see you are getting the message, and glad I called you out for being so irresponsible…now if I can just be assured that you won’t use Mother Jones, Media Matters, or any other left wing liberal rag, I could ignore you…but I doubt that will happen.

Or is National Review not acceptable either? Maybe it has to come from Perry’s campaign website for you to cast your sensitive eyes upon it?

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:15 AM

You also have a horrible “habit” of just taking quotes from a lengthy story that supports your case…but reading the whole article sheds a whole different point of view…
I think you are perhaps the most notable poster for deception on HA…massive quotes, but seldom any context. And too often after looking at the context, your quotes are misleading.
You don’t fool many people…maybe yourself…

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:40 AM

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:15 AM

After reading what you quoted, I am correct…the first part of your post was regarding policies put in place by Bush, the second attributed to Perry…you seem to want to mix everything up together and call it what you want…
I know it is tough for you…but just try to be honest and forthright in your postings, it is just too easy to expose you.

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:48 AM

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Yeah, I missed your post explaining how they got the Enron thing wrong… and the Merck-Gardasil patronage link, or in fact any of it.

Where is that post? Did Perry not actually take any cash from Merck is that what you are saying? The reason I ask is because Merck says he did on their campaign contribution information, and Perry says he did as well during the debate. Did Perry get that wrong?

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:50 AM

With regards to Perry, there’s one thing I can never get past. His involvement with Al Gore and his time as a democrat.

Gore is and always was a soulless hack.

I ask myself, why would he all of sudden change parties. Well, to me, it seems he decided that in order to be successful in Texas and secure a long career in politcal hackery he had to switch parties.

Yes I know Reagan was a dem at one time, but that was a different era. Reagan saw the direction the left was going and wanted no part of it.

Guys like Perry is what makes Cain such an attractive candidate.

Politics have been secondary in his life….in Perry’s case it was his livlihood.

DLEW on October 10, 2011 at 3:17 AM

Cain is helping me get over Palin.

He’s great
!

DaMav on October 10, 2011 at 3:34 AM

He never held an elected office, has no record, and wouldn’t know where to begin in enacting a plan for reforming the government and getting the country back on track.

Let’s take these one at a time.

Never held elected office. — I’m going to mark this as a positive. We can plainly see where the political class has taken us, it’s possibly time to have a little sanity brought back into the process.

has no record – not true, he has a record, one of rigorous thought as a mathematician, service to our country as the same, further ability to model and understand computational issues as a computer scientist, business acumen as an analyst, VP and CEO, and we have years of his words as a speaker to go back and analyse.

wouldn’t know where to begin in enacting a plan for reforming the government and getting the country back on track —–

NOW this last one is the fun one.

Herman can is probably THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO REFORM THE GOVERNMENT AND GET IT BACK ON TRACK and here’s why.

He’s already done it twice in practice.

Beyond a few legislative staffers, Obama had never supervised, managed or employed any group of people. Cain has supervised, managed and employed thousands in a distributed workforce. Very few politicians can make that claim.

Cain has developed and implemented multi-million dollar budgets that were not only balanced, but he took imbalanced budgets into profit making territory. Again, very few politicians can make that claim.

Cain has had to reform, streamline, reoganize, restructure entities large(BK and Godfather’s corporate restructures) and small(troubleshooting the single store) that were not working and turned them around. Again, not many politicians can say that.

The largest problem facing us right now is financial. If we can put our financial house in order, many of our other problems will fix themselves or at least allow us the resources to address it. If we loose our economic way of life, we lose everything else as well.

Of all the Candidates, Cain has the most experience at doing what this nation needs.

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I’m new to the Cain train, but I’ve looked pretty hard to find significant fault with him. The more I look the better he looks as someone who could actually do the job that needs to be done.

If you support someone else and you want to bring Cain down, you’re going to have to work harder than the superficial and impotent attack quoted above.

Jason Coleman on October 10, 2011 at 3:38 AM

He’s my guy.
I just hope he doesn’t say something stupid this week.

JellyToast on October 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

He will. I’ve seen this movie before. It’s called “Donald Trump” “Newt Gingrich” “Herman Cain” “Michelle Bachmann” “Rick Perry” “Herman Cain II”

He already had his “said something stupid” episode where people wrote him off, that’s part of why Bachmann surged previously. Republicans are being very fickle right now, and this is Cain’s first rodeo.

scotash on October 10, 2011 at 3:46 AM

He’s my guy.
I just hope he doesn’t say something stupid this week.

JellyToast on October 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Unfortunately, Mr. Cain will say something stupid and it will pop his bubble. His 999 plan is pure fantasy. It sounds good and fires up the crowd, but he could never get it implemented. If the GOP can’t abolish the Department of Education what makes people think they can abolish the US Tax Code?

NickDeringer on October 10, 2011 at 5:59 AM

I’m very enthusiastic about the possibility of having Herman Cain as president.

balkanmom on October 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM

not happy that tuesday’s debate will not be televised…

cmsinaz on October 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Where is that post? Did Perry not actually take any cash from Merck is that what you are saying? The reason I ask is because Merck says he did on their campaign contribution information, and Perry says he did as well during the debate. Did Perry get that wrong?

sharrukin on October 10, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Pal, when you are in politics for decades, you have a lot of contributors…you don’t know that?
And successful people meet with successful people…you don’t know that?
Tell me, how many senators have been over to your house? Your neighbors house? How many industrial giants of industry have been to your house lately?
You see, none have, because you are not successful…all of these “giants” go to the same restaurants, the same country clubs, the same service organizations (at the top because of their contributions)…you are either naive or dishonest, and seeing your past posts and calling you out, you are dishonest, the most dishonest poster on HA.
No one is more deceiving than you…at least liberals admit it and own it…you hide behind false accusation and innuendos.

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 8:42 AM

I’m very enthusiastic about the possibility of having Herman Cain as president.

balkanmom on October 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Same here…but I am withholding until a couple of more debates, and some more interviews.
The one thing that is appealing, he is not “polished”, he makes minor gaffs, but the “gaffs” are more from being too direct, rather than to evasive. Something that political junkies have a hard tome deciphering, they are not used to such openness and directness.
Here is a guy who actually answers the questions…

right2bright on October 10, 2011 at 8:45 AM

If Cain tells us that John Bolton is his primary foreign policy adviser and that Bolton will likely be his Sec of State, I could vote for and him

georgealbert on October 9, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Why stop there? Why not break the GOP stranglehold on the people’s choices and announce that if elected, John Bolton will be his VP? Why not let John start now attacking his rival(Joe Biden)nds the absurd foreign policy of Obama’s-effectively letting Obama defend replicating Bush’s policy. Let Obama defend the Arab spring (the Muslim brotherhood/Obama facilitated and owns that) and Sharia laws creeping into our lives.

I can hear Cain answering the media’s gotcha questions now: unlike Joe Biden , my Vice President will be more than a figurehead for comedy central material…

Don L on October 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Jason Coleman on October 10, 2011 at 3:38 AM
Cain has developed and implemented multi-million dollar budgets that were not only balanced, but he took imbalanced budgets into profit making territory. Again, very few politicians can make that claim.

This is probably the single best comment on the whole thread. If like me you believe that the number one problem in the country is the economy, then it will require someone who can fix a broken budget. Yes, Cain will need the help of Congress to do so and so he’s going to have to learn how to deal with them. But seriously, can he do worse than the current administration? And hopefully he’ll have help holding the Congress critters’ feet to the fire from the TEA Party. And certainly there are other issues such as foreign relations that need to be addressed.

But it seems pretty clear if we don’t have a President who is committed to fixing the budget as his number one priority, then none of the other stuff matters. And to that end, Cain is absolutely the best choice.

AJsDaddie on October 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Fear of the unknown has been enough to dismiss Cain’s chances, because getting from unknown to known requires positive media attention.

Friends of Herman don’t have that problem. We are the 1%.

But Herman is a communicator and leader with clear goals.

The next test he must survive is a MSM coordinated attack that his true record is not true at all…a Palin moment awaits him.

MSNBC already threw draft dodger and Civil Rights shirker accusations through Larry O’Donnel’s skilled attack style.

But unlike Zell Miller, who threatened MSNBC’s Chris Matthews with violence, Herman maintained his cool and came out of the attack fine.

Herman’s achilles heel may be his pride, or health questions since his cancer…but interestingly, his cancer bout has humbled the man until he meets Perry’s standard for a leader who has suffered.

To me Herman is a mixture of Harry Truman and Teddy Roosevelt. Like Herman both those men were leaders who knew where they were going. True they had enemies, but all strong men do.

jimw on October 10, 2011 at 10:33 AM

By Jim Geraghty

Tags: Barack Obama, Herman Cain

I’m not terribly familiar with this firm, Poll Position, and they’re using automated voice survey techology (robo-pollsters, like Rasmussen) but their new survey result is worth mentioning because of the tidal shift it might represent: Herman Cain beating Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup.

Yes, that Herman Cain, the widely-liked former pizza executive who most folks didn’t take seriously because he had never been elected to any public office before.

They find Cain with 43.3 percent and Obama with 41.3 percent. In their results, Cain takes 24 percent of the African-American vote.

ted c on October 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM

I still fail to see why so many people are obsessed with the fact that Cain has no “experience” in politics. I would rather have a self made man that has had success after success and a strong moral conviction then some of the more privileged (Mittens) or wacky (Paul) to be my president. You could think of all those restaurants as so many government agencies and making effective policies that allow them to serve the customers more effectively (us) and allow us more freedom. Now I am not totally in the Cain camp but from what I see and from what they have accomplished in their lives I am leaning hard to his side. I have agree with some whose thought about Newt is if he will lie to his wife what won’t he do? That right there puts a big ol spotlight on your character that won’t go away and from my view it does matter what they did in their private life. Some people here (PunchyMonkey and Shakakan) are just here to stump for their favorite candidate or sabotage Mr. Cain and his campaign and if that is their intent then they should at least be honest about it like CR was about hating Palin so much. I have noticed that about the only place I see their comments are on threads about Cain so it makes me wonder if CR has a couple other screen names and is just debating himself which is what most narcissistic people like (Obama) do to win an argument. I will be behind the eventual nominee but at the moment if it were anyone other than Cain I will be holding my nose as I did for McLame.

jistincase on October 10, 2011 at 11:14 AM

How can he “lead” a government when he has no experience in government? Many of you are going to be disappointed when Herman throws his support behind Romney.

Punchenko on October 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Punchenko,

I grew up in the DC area and have spent my career in both the private sector for periods of time, and working for the Federal Government at periods of time.

Government can be learned. Politicking can be learned. Working with legislatures and lobbying groups and constituencies can be learned.

Cain seems more than intelligent enough…particularly when one looks deeply into both his academic and his employment background and his success at both.

What CAN’T be learned, and (at least to me) seems to be innate? I’ll tell you: The ability to focus on the nature of problem, clearly define that problem and how to fix it, and then inspire, lead, and motivate people to take proper action to help solve the problem working together.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe that stuff can be learned, but the more I’ve watched Cain in the past several debates, the more I’ve watched his speeches, the more I’ve heard him (and the details of his proposed solutions) on the radio, I’ve got to say that in the span of my now 51 years of age, the absolute LAST time a political leader inspired me this much, was in 1980 when I was 19 years old and Ronald Reagan was running for president. In those days, the newsreels of “I PAID for this microphone” and “There you go again” indicated to me that Ronaldus Maximus was man of firm conviction who acted on his principles. Herman Cain is the very first “politician” I’ve seen since that time, who appears to have the same firm steely-ness to his character that Reagan did.

In my life, I’ve worked in small companies, large corporations, and Federal agencies. The kind of depth, the kind of firmness, the kind of clarity, I see coming from the Pizza Man, is something that one RARELY sees in Federal leadership.

One doesn’t turn around failing companies by being unable to politick to different constituencies. One doesn’t turn around failing companies by not grasping the complexities and intricacies of the numbers.

I’ve decided I believe lack of prior elected experience is not something that will hamper Cain. For a guy his age, having gone through what he’s gone through surviving cancer, to maintain that kind of intensity, that kind of steely firm conviction and presence of mind to define problems explain them, and craft solutions clearly for others to understand, is a RARE thing.

I think he can go all the way and can help the country we love so dearly. Watching and listening to me, has sold me.

Shirotayama on October 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Jazz Shaw

Also, following the Values Voter Summit, …Mitt didn’t do much better than that, though he at least managed to edge out Ron Paul for once.

Bwahahaha “funny” propaganda. Ron Paul won the Value Voter vote that left Mitt at the bottom of the pile to represent the least desirable.

whatever

maverick muse on October 10, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Meant watching and listening to Cain.
(Not me.)

Shirotayama on October 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

What CAN’T be learned, and (at least to me) seems to be innate? I’ll tell you: The ability to focus on the nature of problem, clearly define that problem and how to fix it, and then inspire, lead, and motivate people to take proper action to help solve the problem working together.

Shirotayama

I’d agree.

Cain represents pragmatism. Not idealism. Not even the Constitution. Cain takes things as they are, without changing the system, getting the machine “working” again, changing the oil but without any correction against the current authoritarian design.

My concern is that Cain is to “bail-out” the core corruption, introducing a federal sales tax and refusing to recognize that the Federal Reserve has become an unconstitutional globalist financier on the backs of US citizens. That he’d only rotate the Fed Chairmanship won’t clip the Federal Reserve back into a managed by congressional oversight process.

I like Cain. And I’ve been supporting his campaign platform that seemed to represent first principles. It’s best to consider each worst case scenario before consuming the whole enchilada, stuck with unintended consequences.

maverick muse on October 10, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Shirotayama @ 1:19…I wont repeat your well written comment, but I do thank you for putting my thoughts about Cain into skillful words.

jimw on October 10, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Perry has brains?

Perry: College male cheerleader with D+ average
Cain: Double major in math and physics and ballistics engineer at the Navy.

Perry never has and never will have brains. He is a big crony pawn.

haner on October 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM

We already had a President who had commanded a nuclear submarine in the Navy: James Earl Carter. He may have had brains but he was a disastrous President.

Herman Cain has a brain, and just maybe has the skills to learn enough foreign policy over the next year (or surround himself with the best people) to be President. Or maybe not. Let’s listen to his campaign and let him prove himself.

As for Perry, let’s see what he’s got under that cowboy hat. But he’d better wake up. Tired puppies don’t make good Presidents.

Steve Z on October 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Herman Cain’s appeal can be summed up in the old cliche “What you see, is what you get.” Like him or not, you know that the guy you see now, is the same guy that will be sitting in that chair in the Oval Office were he elected.

labrat on October 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Punchenko,

I grew up in the DC area and have spent my career in both the private sector for periods of time, and working for the Federal Government at periods of time.

Government can be learned. Politicking can be learned. Working with legislatures and lobbying groups and constituencies can be learned.

Shirotayama on October 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM

I’m sure you also served as President of the United States and had the schedule that comes with the office. There is no time to learn. He either 1.) relies solely on advisers, like Obama, and fails; or 2.) comes swinging in with the hatchet ready to get the job done like career pol LBJ or Nixon. Herman doesn’t know the game, sorry, and would make for a lousy President.

We don’t have three or four years for Herman to find his stride in the Oval Office and start addressing our economic decline, the European crisis that is unfolding, the fires in the Middle East, and a clever China trying to push us out of their turf. We don’t have time for another speechifying newbie whose only accomplishment is making a fast food chain profitable again.

We need a President on DAY ONE.

Punchenko on October 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Punchenko on October 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM

So where’s Romney’s experience on the Hill and Washington.

Oh that’s right, he has none. Romney’s experience with a legislature and record as an elected executive is not something to be proud of AT ALL.

By your logic the only person qualified to be President is a former Vice President. None of those are running.

Jason Coleman on October 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Whatever. I just love this screen cap of Cain. Looks like he’s about to kick somebody’s behind. Love it…

I want to see some anger and righteous indignation in a political leader for a change.

labrat on October 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

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