Weekly jobless claims above 400K
posted at 11:25 am on October 6, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
The Department of Labor’s report of initial weekly jobless claims shows that last week’s precipitous drop in filings looks legit — if short-lived. The previous week’s level of 391,000 claims — a 37,000-claim drop from the previous week — only got upwardly revised by 4,000. However, this week’s claims rose by 6,000 to finish above the 400K level once again:
In the week ending October 1, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 401,000, an increase of 6,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 395,000. The 4-week moving average was 414,000, a decrease of 4,000 from the previous week’s revised average of 418,000.
The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.9 percent for the week ending September 24, a decrease of 0.1 percentage point from the prior week’s unrevised rate.
The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending September 24 was 3,700,000, a decrease of 52,000 from the preceding week’s revised level of 3,752,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,739,000, a decrease of 9,750 from the preceding week’s revised average of 3,748,750.
So the big drop last week really did reflect reality, but the end result is that claims still hover around the 400K mark. With a couple of exceptions, that’s been where the US economy has been since the beginning of Q2, so the data should come as no great shock. Interestingly, this result surprised Reuters, but not in the usual way:
New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits rose less than expected last week, according to a government report on Thursday that hinted at an improvement in labor market conditions.
Initial claims for state unemployment benefits climbed 6,000 to a seasonally adjusted 401,000, the Labor Department said, from a revised 395,000 the prior week.
Economists polled by Reuters had forecast claims rising to 410,000 from the previously reported 391,000.
The data falls outside the survey period for the government’s closely watched employment report for September, which will be released on Friday.
Nonfarm payrolls likely increased 60,000 last month, according to a Reuters survey, after being flat in August. The anticipated gain in nonfarm employment will mostly reflect the return of 45,000 striking Verizon Communications workers to payrolls.
Bloomberg also predicted a rise of 60,000, although ADP’s report yesterday predicts private-sector growth of 91,000. ADP isn’t exactly an oracle on these matters; their predictive value is questionable, although their trendlines are useful. The 91K growth ADP predicts isn’t that far off from their August report, a month that actually produced zero job growth. I’d look for a growth number around 65K, perhaps less, and a slight tick upward in the jobless rate to 9.2%.
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stop your whinin’, stop your complainin’…/
ted c on October 6, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Stupid people are ruining America.
Electrongod on October 6, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Doesn’t ADP have a tendency to underestimate job growth?
WordsMatter on October 6, 2011 at 11:30 AM
They will make numbers up to keep the rate from going up.
John Deaux on October 6, 2011 at 11:30 AM
The rate will stay the same or go up slightly.
How else can it “miraculously” drop just before the re-immaculation of Teh Won?
Colbyjack on October 6, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Meanwhile, every month another 150,000 legal immigrants flood into the country.
Time for an immigration moratorium, five years at least, ten would be better. We have enough people, and not nearly enough jobs.
Rebar on October 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Ed – every survey should have an “Eat Your Peas” option.
WordsMatter on October 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM
The economy has turned a corner -DWS
vcferlita on October 6, 2011 at 11:34 AM
It will be whatever they say it is. We’ll just have to believe it or not and wait for the revision.
Kissmygrits on October 6, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Those numbers will be tortured until they show no rise in unemployment.
SouthernGent on October 6, 2011 at 11:37 AM
Has the redheaded chick on the cell phone gotten a job yet, because that really is the benchmark.
keep the change on October 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM
9.5%
stenwin77 on October 6, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Who are the people voting under 8.8?
i need some of what you’re smoking.
angryed on October 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Ain’t Obamanomics just working wonders?
GarandFan on October 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM
Tomorrow the monthly claims will be out. They’ll be a ‘beauty’.
Schadenfreude on October 6, 2011 at 11:48 AM
the jobless rate will be “unexpectedly” high
phreshone on October 6, 2011 at 11:48 AM
New group. Occupy The Unemployment Line. Filled with people used and abandoned by community organizers and limousine liberals, yet they still think it’s someone else who screwed them.
MarkT on October 6, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Meanwhile my 26 year old son can’t find a job and isn’t counted in their phony percentage of unemployed.
Beaglemom on October 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Whatever it is, it will be unexpected
allanbourdius on October 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Where is the Ginger…?
Seven Percent Solution on October 6, 2011 at 11:57 AM
If you remove black males and white women from the equation, the nation actually gained jobs.
You rightwing dolts need to get gooder at math and stuff.
Bishop on October 6, 2011 at 11:57 AM
I predict that the unemployment and GDP numbers will start to move in the direction of reality, as those making the numbers know they will have a new executive.
astonerii on October 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Meanwhile, the U6 will continue to go up and up.
AH_C on October 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Hopey is busy on TV blaming it all on us as usual…and reiterating his plans will “put teachers back in the classroom”….
Would somebody tell this yutz that unemployment among teachers is about 3 freaking % ?????????????
Please???
Tim Zank on October 6, 2011 at 12:14 PM
I reported the Department of Labor to Ataaaaaacccckkkkk Waaaaaaaatccchhh this morning hearing the news. Have you?
Punchenko on October 6, 2011 at 12:15 PM
The unemployment percentage always seems to be counterintuitive to me, so I’m guess it will go down to help The Won.
Cindy Munford on October 6, 2011 at 12:16 PM
It is still VERY BAD out here in SOCAL…
Khun Joe on October 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM
The takeaway from Zero Hedge:
Or higher. We may have excised the P from the POR Economy, but it’s still cratering.
Steve Eggleston on October 6, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Whatever it is, I’m sure it’ll be “unexpected”!
Blacklake on October 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM
And once again, the correct answer i or the ‘imaginary’ number does not appear.
The real or actual number is unknowable because the government is actively hiding it.
TABoLK on October 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM
They’re gonna fudge the numbers to 8.9%
dogsoldier on October 6, 2011 at 12:54 PM
If you want a hard dose of reality look at shadowstats.com and the youngstown state university study on “defacto “unemployment”
dogsoldier on October 6, 2011 at 12:59 PM
Can we add a new category? Just call it unexpected.
kmaster31 on October 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM
No unexpected choice, I wanted to go with the winner.
IowaWoman on October 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Wow, thinking and posting alike!
IowaWoman on October 6, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Eat yur’ peas and stop whinin’
Oh, and it’s Bush’s fault.
Now go away, I gotta golf game!
Opposite Day on October 6, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Tomorrow – 8.9
Revised in Mid-October
Up to 9.2.
Haiku Guy on October 6, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Is that Fiona right where the line turns the corner?
Haiku Guy on October 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM
A new executive? How could that happen?
If you had your way, it wouldn’t.
Apologize.
runawayyyy on October 6, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Where’s the button for “Whatever they need it to be.”?
Empiricist on October 6, 2011 at 9:16 PM