Reid goes nuclear: Dems change rules to strip GOP of right to offer amendments after cloture

posted at 8:37 pm on October 6, 2011 by Allahpundit

This is procedural esoterica and therefore it’s very confusing, but here’s the nutshell version: Reid’s finally lost his mind.

The Hill calls it “shocking.”

Reid appealed a ruling from the chair that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) does not need unanimous consent to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules to consider amendments after cloture has already been approved.

The chair, which was occupied by Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), ruled under the advice of the Senate parliamentarian that Republicans had the right to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules and proceed to President Obama’s controversial jobs bill.

Republicans planned to use this right of the minority to embarrass Obama by showing that many Democrats do not support his jobs package as originally drafted. But Reid moved to kill their plan by appealing the chair’s ruling, triggering a vote.

The maneuver is arcane but momentous. If a simple majority of the Senate votes with Reid and strikes down the ruling, the chamber’s precedent will be changed through the unilateral action of one party.

Begich’s ruling that the GOP’s amendments should be allowed was subsequently voted down, 48/51 (Ben Nelson was the only crossover), which means going forward Republicans have no right to offer amendments after cloture on a bill is invoked. (The filibuster, which is aimed at blocking the majority from invoking cloture in the first place, is unaffected by Reid’s move.) Still confused? Read Philip Klein, who has a quick, plain-English translation of what it all means. Post-cloture amendments are a cheap and easy way for the minority party to force the majority to vote on proposals that might somehow embarrass them. The embarrassing proposal in this case was … Obama’s jobs bill, which Democrats still don’t uniformly support. Apparently, to spare The One the humiliation of having members of his own party vote no on the PassThisBillRightAway Act of 2011, Reid freaked out and nuked the GOP’s right to offer amendments entirely. That’s how much of a fiasco O’s jobs plan is right now: Simply to avoid having to vote on it, longstanding Senate rules are being rewritten on the fly by … his own party.

Jim DeMint tweeted afterward, “World’s Greatest Deliberative Body now doesn’t allow minority amendments unless we get majority’s permission.” And a few minutes later, “Dems rammed through Obamacare, stimulus and now rammed through rules to gag minority rights.” I’m 99 percent sure Reid’s going to relent on this once he gets his caucus together and figures out how to handle Obama’s bill, not because he’s a swell guy but because the GOP’s highly likely to take back the Senate next year and will merrily bludgeon the Democrats with this precedent unless they revoke it pronto. Let’s see how long Reid holds out. I’d be surprised if he lasts more than a couple of days. Exit quotation: “Am I 100 percent confident that I’m right? No. But I feel pretty comfortable with what we’ve done.”

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Rational Thought on October 6, 2011 at 9:16 PM

If the repubs were dumb enough to go along with this they will be dumb enough to reverse it. I am begining to think there is no hope for the country.

derft on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Maybe we can blame the RSCC for not supporting the Republican candidate against Harry Reid in the last election in Nevada.

darwin-t on October 6, 2011 at 9:08 PM

There may be merit to what you say, but as a candidate she was a mess.

Red State State of Mind on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

So I’m not saying anything else, because I’d be banned 4-ever and ever.
GrannyDee on October 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Were you planning on writing the words negr0, rev0lution, or the dreaded “Kling0n”?

Bishop on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

El Rushbo will have a Field Day with this tomorrow!..:)

Dire Straits on October 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Dire Straits:When he does,heres the Rush Daily Video Site!:)
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canopfor on October 6, 2011 at 9:26 PM

I am not sure I understand the rules at all, but I DO understand that once again, Harry Reid is cheating to get shit through the Senate, like he did with Obamacare. Remember, they passed that by using reconciliation to avoid needing 60 votes after Brown won that Senate seat.

karenhasfreedom on October 6, 2011 at 8:43 PM

This is what happened:

(1)The Chair (advised by the Senate Parliamentarian) ruled that McConnell had the right to force a vote on Obama’s original “jobs bill”.

(2) Reid appealed to sustain the ruling of the chair. He needed to lose the vote.

(3) Reid lost. The ruling was not sustained. McConnell was therefore unable to offer his amendment.

youngTXcon on October 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM

IF I understand what he did is basically tell everyone that not only does he NOT want to put Obama’s jobs bill up for a vote on his own, he’s not going to let anyone force him to vote on it either?

Sort of a “I don’t want to do it and you can’t make me” kind of ruling?

milwife88 on October 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM

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canopfor on October 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM

There may be merit to what you say, but as a candidate she was a mess.

Red State State of Mind on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

There’s no merit to it at all. Sharron Angle was hurting for many things, but money was decidedly not one of them. She was a terrible candidate – it’s no more complicated than that.

Remmeber, the NRSC went full-bore in support of Carly Fiorina – as the Angle defenders hasten to point out – and that did her no good at all.

KingGold on October 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Where is crr6 when we need an explanation/legal opinion about what this means for us po folk?

arnold ziffel on October 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Things are getting really creepy (more so than the last several years if that is possible). Groups of useful idiots pushing hard for wealth redistribution and insane Marxist demands vis-a-vis OWS directed by the self avowed communist Van Jones and his ilk. Reid playing the nuclear option to halt debate. The Executive branch and the complicit media hyping the protesters.

All we need is the Reichstag fire and then they can really put their Gleichshaltung into full swing.
It is almost surreal.

vinceautmorire on October 6, 2011 at 9:31 PM

KingGold on October 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM

And sir, Carly was a terrible candidate who should have wiped the floor with senator “don’t call me ma’am”. I live in CA and kept well abreast of this situation. Just my .02

arnold ziffel on October 6, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Here’s the article from the Washington Examiner:

In a stunning turn of events this evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., used an arcane legislative maneuver to effectively rewrite Senate rules to make it harder for the minority party to force uncomfortable votes on the majority.

The buildup to this point started on Tuesday, when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., tried to force a vote on President Obama’s jobs bill as well as other Republican priorities by offering them as amendments to the China currency bill. Reid blocked the move.

Tonight, McConnell made what’s called a “motion to suspend the rules,” to allow a vote on the amendments. Such motions are almost always defeated, because they require a two-thirds majority to pass. But they’re another way for the minority party to force uncomfortable votes. Even though the minority party doesn’t get a direct vote on the amendment, how somebody votes on the motion becomes a sort of proxy for such a vote. In this case, for instance, if Democrats had voted down a motion for a vote on Obama’s jobs bill, it would have put them in an awkward spot.

Though it’s been the standing practice of the Senate to allow such motions by the minority, tonight Reid broke with precedent and ruled McConnell’s motion out of order, and was ultimately backed up by Democrats.

So, the end result is that by a simple majority vote, Reid was able to effectively rewrite Senate rules making it even harder than it already is for the minority party to force votes on any amendments. Should Republicans retake the Senate next year, it’s something that could come back to haunt Democrats in a major way.

And just to clear up some confusion, what happened tonight was different than the so-called “nuclear option” to end filibusters. While triggering the “nuclear option” requires a Majority Leader to use the same sort of strategic maneuvers as Reid just did, tonight’s move had to do with the amendment process, not filibusters.

I wouldn’t call this ‘dirty’, rather I’d call it shrewd.

This is what happens when the GOP tries to reason with a party whose principles are based on emotion. McConnell tried to flank the Democrats. Reid promptly shoved it back in McConnell’s face. Not unlike Franken telling Lieberman that he could not continue his comments in a Senate debate ~ 2 years ago. Say what you want about Reid, but don’t underestimate him. He is a tougher adversary than Daschle was. Also, keep in mind, the Republicans better start growing a spine with more of them being like Rubio, Rand, Ryan, Issa & West. Because they aren’t only fighting vs Reid, but also Obama’s bully pulpit & the Pravda-like mainstream media. Everything will be the GOP’s fault… No matter what they do.

Let this be a lesson to McConnell & the GOP… They better start looking at their ‘colleagues across the aisle’ as their enemy rather than their friends. Grow a pair, McConnell, don’t take anything for granted because the Democrats will do anything to make this country a socialist state. All of the Republicans had better start their own campaigns in the media to highlight their points & what Reid just did. If they don’t, the average American won’t notice anything this nuanced happened at all.

Danny on October 6, 2011 at 9:36 PM

IF I understand what he did is basically tell everyone that not only does he NOT want to put Obama’s jobs bill up for a vote on his own, he’s not going to let anyone force him to vote on it either?

Sort of a “I don’t want to do it and you can’t make me” kind of ruling?

milwife88 on October 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Yes. It also takes-away the voice of the minority.

youngTXcon on October 6, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Boy I wonder how sleezy Harry was when he boxed

tim c on October 6, 2011 at 9:09 PM

My guess is he did lots of head butts, which explains his deranged thinking nowadays.

predator on October 6, 2011 at 9:11 PM

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Those boxers (with the odds heavily their favor) who stepped into the ring against young Harry Reid during his boxing career in those smoke-filled back-alley fight clubs in Las Vegas in the 50′s, for some strange reason, ended up blinded by a mixture of sawdust and resin having somehow mysteriously gotten into their eyeballs during the fight. Still one of the greatest unsolved boxing mysteries of all time!

Mahdi on October 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Along this line – since this protest is supported by obama’s puppet master, georgie porgie, could this cause such an emergency that obama will invoke Marshall Law and suspend elections, just as the gov of NC said they should??????
Just suddenly had that thought!

Bambi on October 6, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Why does Harry Reid hate minorities?

Left Coast Right Mind on October 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Were you planning on writing the words negr0, rev0lution, or the dreaded “Kling0n”?

Bishop on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

I’ve been away for a couple days and come home to read nothing but bad news on HA. Every day it just gets worse and worse.

The “dreaded KlingOn” is the mildest of the words going through my mind! Throw in a couple of your favorite four-letter words to describe O-Len-in and Reid, and you’ll have the basic gist of how I’m feeling tonight.

I’m watching my beloved country being destroyed all so that some stupid Americans could finally say, “Hey, over here! Look at us! We finally elected our first Bla*ck Prez.” Well, big whoop! If I could, I’d spit in his face!

Yes, I’m PO’d. I really and truly believed my “senior years” would be a time of peace and quiet, enjoying whatever time is left with my DH. Instead, because of that jacka** in the WH, we don’t know from day to day…hour to hour…what’s going to become of us personally and what’s going to become of our country.

Sorry for the rant. I’m really frazzled tonight. Personal problems with #1 grandchild are wearing me down, and nobody seems to know what to do.

GrannyDee on October 6, 2011 at 9:44 PM

This’ll come back to bite them next winter after the Senate flips.

fossten on October 6, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Democracy is just a facade for these fascists.

jnelchef on October 6, 2011 at 9:50 PM

If anyone is unclear what happened…

The Chairman (a Dem) agreed with McConnell that he had the right to force a vote on Obama’s “Jobs” Money Grab.

Reid, not wanting the vote says “I agree with the Chairmen, who doesn’t?”

Since the Dems control the Senate, Reid needed the Dem majority to vote against him. All Dems did except Ben Nelson. So Ben Nelson and the Repub minority voted with Reid, and the Dem majority voted against. The majority vote wins out, killing McConnell’s hit on the Jobs bill.

It’s a cock-block, pure and simple. If Reid doesn’t change the standing, and the Repubs win back the Senate, they can squash whatever the Dems bring up for a vote.

budfox on October 6, 2011 at 9:55 PM

There may be merit to what you say, but as a candidate she was a mess.

Red State State of Mind on October 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM

There’s no merit to it at all. Sharron Angle was hurting for many things, but money was decidedly not one of them. She was a terrible candidate – it’s no more complicated than that.

Remmeber, the NRSC went full-bore in support of Carly Fiorina – as the Angle defenders hasten to point out – and that did her no good at all.

KingGold on October 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Puleeze! Worse that Reid? You are just parroting the media’s talking points. HInt: Any candidate in any district that the Republicans put forward who is not a “cross-the aisle” RINO will be a “terrible candidate” in the eyes of the mainstream press. It shouldn’t have mattered if Peewee Herman was running against the old senile fool from Searchlight. Yet somehow he managed to cheat his way to victory — cheat including both actual fraud (union strongarming) as well as the hatchet job done on his opposition.

Carly? Come on, she was a RINO candidate in a California race. California is gone folks, with the exception of a few districts where the possibility of electing Republican Representatives, California is pure Democrat stronghold. No Republican will ever win election in a statewide office again until the state positively craters. Look, they elected frickin’ Moonbeam Brown as governor despite the fact what he was offering is going to result in more debt, more businesses leaving, higher taxes, and less employment. Yet the boobs in California still elected him and made sure he had a good majority of tax and spend communist Democrats in the statehouse to make sure that the state will continue on its downward spiral into third world conditions.

AZfederalist on October 6, 2011 at 9:59 PM

I’m 99 percent sure Reid’s going to relent on this once he gets his caucus together and figures out how to handle Obama’s bill, not because he’s a swell guy but because the GOP’s highly likely to take back the Senate next year and will merrily bludgeon the Democrats with this precedent unless they revoke it pronto. Let’s see how long Reid holds out. I’d be surprised if he lasts more than a couple of days.

Exactly why this (if I’m understanding it correctly) is so puzzling. Aren’t the gloves off now?

Isn’t this little trick always on the table for the party in control (i.e. a comfortable majority)? Hasn’t the cryptkeeper now made his soon-to-be-minority culpable for using it first? (“It must be OK….you guys did it, remember”?)

Would you play this card knowing whats coming in 2012?

This one baffles me.

Tim_CA on October 6, 2011 at 10:02 PM

… I think you people are not quite getting what Reid did. Particularly, this doesn’t help the repeal of Obamacare one bit.

First and foremost, it does not affect the filibuster. The chances that the GOP will both gain a filibuster-proof majority AND use it effectively is basically 0.

Second, the bill they were voting on was not Obama’s job bill. McConnell tried to attach Obama’s job bill to another bill via an amendment. Reid, through a very smart but unprecedented maneuver, blocked it with parliamentary rules.

This won’t work with ObamaCare. The best that this use of the parliamentary rules will do for the GOP is prevent the Democrats from adding silly amendments to the ObamaCare repeal bill. And that will affect basically nothing.

BTW, I think this episode shows that Reid is far better than McConnell at parliamentary rules.

Scott H on October 6, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Tim_CA: Unless the GOP removes the filibuster (which they won’t), I’m not exactly sure what ‘weapon’ the Democrats are handing the GOP. Even if they are, it’s not like the GOP has shown any will to use their weapons against the Democrats.

Scott H on October 6, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Would you play this card knowing whats coming in 2012?

This one baffles me.

Tim_CA on October 6, 2011 at 10:02 PM

They do not believe they are going to lose the Senate in 2012. I don’t think they will take it back as they have crippled the rebubs.

derft on October 6, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Would you play this card knowing whats coming in 2012?

This one baffles me.

Tim_CA on October 6, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Is he dancing to some else’s tune? In this case, does that someone else thinks the stakes are so high, it’s worth the future fallout from this? … or is that someone else banking on the poor memory and lack of testicular fortitude on the part of the Republicans, betting that by the time they are in control the Republicans will both have forgotten about this and will be magnanimous and, “in the spirit of comity” let this be water under the bridge and not engage in the “divisiveness of the past”?

AZfederalist on October 6, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Reid’s finally lost his mind.

Finally? Pretty sure he went batsh!t crazy way back when.

Gang-of-One on October 6, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Dirty Harry is the democrat golum.

Dhuka on October 6, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Memo to Republicans: This is what happens when you put up incompetents like Sharron Angle. Remember that when taking a second look at Cain, Bachmann….

IR-MN on October 6, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Memo to liberal Republicans – this is what happens when you think conservatives are too “extreme”.

Own it, RINIs.

Steve Eggleston on October 6, 2011 at 10:18 PM

RINOs, even.

Steve Eggleston on October 6, 2011 at 10:19 PM

…Second, the bill they were voting on was not Obama’s job bill. McConnell tried to attach Obama’s job bill to another bill via an amendment. Reid, through a very smart but unprecedented maneuver, blocked it with parliamentary rules…

BTW, I think this episode shows that Reid is far better than McConnell at parliamentary rules.

Scott H on October 6, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I can see using this option being Schumer’s idea but not Reid’s. Regardless, abusing rules to strengthen your party’s hand is not something to admire. Likewise, Reid purposely ignored the sound advice of the Senate Parliamentarian because he didn’t want to take a tough vote. Not exactly a profile in courage.

youngTXcon on October 6, 2011 at 10:22 PM

It’s cool. This just gives us precedent to cite when we retake the senate next year.

Vegi on October 6, 2011 at 10:23 PM

I don’t think there is enough time for a sudden discovery of cold fusion power to work it’s way through the market before elections, and I can’t really think of anything else that would give the Dems a chance of pulling that off.

Count to 10 on October 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Putting up an establishment squishy Obama-lite GOP candidate that isn’t really much different than Obama himself won’t help.

Midas on October 6, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Tim_CA: Unless the GOP removes the filibuster (which they won’t), I’m not exactly sure what ‘weapon’ the Democrats are handing the GOP. Even if they are, it’s not like the GOP has shown any will to use their weapons against the Democrats.

Scott H on October 6, 2011 at 10:05 PM

This.

Republicans always, perhaps to their credit if times were as they used to be and such things mattered, take the ‘high road’ while the Dems never do.

Anymore, this is not a virtue. The GOP had damned well better figure out soon that the goal MUST be to utterly destroy the Democrats, once and for all. There can be no negotiation, no kindness, no weakness – nothing but their utter and permanent destruction and removal from the political marketplace is acceptable at this point.

Not one left.

Not one.

Midas on October 6, 2011 at 10:27 PM

You think everything is okay……the market appears excited about a QE3 or whatever number it is.

Look what’s happening in England as they are in the midst of buying their own debt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/8812051/Bank-of-England-hits-the-panic-button.html

The west is coming down, folks. This Jobs Act is just another plug in the financial dike to get Obama through the 2012 elections but after that……….ALL HELLS breaking loose.

PappyD61 on October 6, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Fill My Belly, Reid.

Union protester.

Key West Reader on October 6, 2011 at 10:30 PM

The west is coming down, folks. This Jobs Act is just another plug in the financial dike to get Obama through the 2012 elections but after that……….ALL HELLS breaking loose.

PappyD61 on October 6, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Have you ever played Poker? No?

Oh, yes you have.

Key West Reader on October 6, 2011 at 10:32 PM

This just in:

Reid has postponed all votes until next week. Senators have adjourned for the Columbus Day weekend.

Legislating is hard.

onlineanalyst on October 6, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Reid has postponed all votes until next week. Senators have adjourned for the Columbus Day weekend.
Legislating is hard.

onlineanalyst on October 6, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Really?? Can this be documented?

Key West Reader on October 6, 2011 at 10:36 PM

PappyD61 on October 6, 2011 at 10:29 PM

I’m prepared – are you?

And yes, you’re right. Our chance to fix this was awhile ago, and we sat around not even letting ourselves truly discuss it.

Now it’s too late.

Midas on October 6, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Why do I suspect that in 2013 the Dems will be crying foul when they cannot offer amendments. The beauty of it is that Reid will still be in office and will be the one who is complaining about the rule. LOL

jeffn21 on October 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Why do I suspect that in 2013 the Dems will be crying foul when they cannot offer amendments. The beauty of it is that Reid will still be in office and will be the one who is complaining about the rule. LOL

jeffn21 on October 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM

That will require a radical change in the GOP “leadership” (not the least of which is the removal of the quotes from leadership).

Steve Eggleston on October 6, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Memo to Republicans: This is what happens when you put up incompetents like Sharron Angle. Remember that when taking a second look at Cain, Bachmann….

IR-MN on October 6, 2011 at 8:47 PM

This is why RINOs who think like this are a few fries short. Harry was majority leader of the Senate. It doesn’t matter how “crazy” Angle was, had she won, Reid would both be out of a job (well maybe a czar) and the majority leader title would have gone to another. Sharon herself would just become a low ranking junior Senator. If the gop was concerned about gaffes from her and, say COD, they could just stick them in a mundane committee and bring them out to vote. But no, rinos didn’t want to be embarrassed or some such and allowed the donks to cement their majorities.

Don’t worry, they’ll expect hus to fully embrace and support their picks next year. I wish I could say don’t count on me to do so, but with Oklahoma my reps are pretty conservative. Oh well. For want of four senators, Oboobi would really be having a miserable lame duck session, but at least we get to see the rinos’ true colors for over-compromising.

AH_C on October 6, 2011 at 10:52 PM

I wouldn’t bet my farm on it. There’s a great chance that GOP will not win anything and will only keep the house by diminished numbers.

promachus on October 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Apparently the Wall Street occupiers are within range of Starbucks free Wi-Fi.

roy_batty on October 6, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Well gee whiz Harry. Why not just get it over with, and declare Obama your king already! Two bit, flea bitten hack.

capejasmine on October 6, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Really?? Can this be documented?

Key West Reader on October 6, 2011 at 10:36 PM

It was an addendum to the Reid-maneuver squib over at “The Corner.”

onlineanalyst on October 6, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Fine. The senate GOP needed to be cured forever of playing patty-cake with the other side. I know they don’t have the votes to do anything now, but I hope this remains a galvanizing moment for the future.

TexasDan on October 6, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Who Cares? It will never be “reported” in its proper context anyway.

Del Dolemonte on October 6, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I am so sick and tired.

I’m just done.

For what that is worth,

Key West Reader on October 6, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Well, we are seeing the new AZ legislative districts. We’ve been moved out of Gifford’s district (where the Republicans had a chance) and into Grijalva’s district that has been reduced to ensure that conservative majority areas are out of his district. Not taking a chance on getting defeated like last time.

/Non-partisan re-districting committee my @$$! The company in charge of it was one of Obammer’s consulting companies in 2008.

I’m so mad, I’m spitting nails. Gads I’d like my vote to count for something. Now it means nothing.

AZfederalist on October 6, 2011 at 11:36 PM

The Palinization of the GOP is full speed ahead.

PappyD61 on October 6, 2011 at 9:02 PM

PappyD61:This is from the Palin thread,but the headline needs to
be put up here,as the Lefty Emblodening Begins,and the
linky you supplied!
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Oct 6, 7:54 PM EDT
Obama to GOP: ACT ON JOBS OR GET RUN OUT OF TOWN
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A combative President Barack Obama challenged a divided Congress on Thursday to unite behind his jobs bill or get ready to be run “out of town” by angry voters.

Hoping to use public frustration and economic worry as leverage, he called his proposal an insurance plan against a painful return to recession.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_JOBS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-06-19-12-10

canopfor on October 6, 2011 at 9:13 PM

XXXX

Wait. WHO was run out of town in 2010? Despite what anyone says, what started then will take at least 6 election cycles to even START settling out. Voter’s anger? In 2 1/2 years the American people’s anger towards the US government has grown at a rate that is unprecedented. An “influential” US President, and a “programed” US Congress will not be able to stem the tide of the will of the American people. “And thy will be done”. Who knew?

Netclimber on October 6, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Voter from WA State on October 7, 2011 at 1:39 AM

That was a bit muddled. I assume you’re asking if Dingy Harry thinks it will be used against him if/when the Rats go into the minority. It won’t; McConnell won’t continue the war.

Steve Eggleston on October 7, 2011 at 1:59 AM

On the bright side, McConnell did get his vote – the Rats are all-but-united against Son of Porkulus.

The bad news – that’s the last “uncomfortable” vote the Rats will ever have to take.

Steve Eggleston on October 7, 2011 at 2:02 AM

Harry Reid looks like a cloture.

curved space on October 7, 2011 at 6:06 AM

and the first time the gop led senate does this, the howls we will hear from all sides of the left…

unstinkingbelievable…unless the GOP will decide to play nice and not do the same dirty deeds…

war is hell folks and we have to fight fire with fire…

cripe

cmsinaz on October 7, 2011 at 6:59 AM

Perhaps if they all walked out to create the crisis for the ignorant voters to understand how radical the left is…but then the ignorant voters are just that …ignorant voters,

Don L on October 7, 2011 at 7:47 AM

top headline on drudge….

i hope harry is feeling a little remorse for what he has started but i doubt it

cmsinaz on October 7, 2011 at 7:52 AM

Each and every man of good will must learn to stop using the “enemy’s” buzz words. It’s not a “Jobs” bill -it’s a tax and spend bill. How do we expect anyone to learn what’s really going on when we act as Obama’s personal propagandea agents?

Don L on October 7, 2011 at 7:56 AM

Don’t the Dems can and will use this on the them when they take control of the Senate? This was kind of stupid.

Voter from WA State on October 7, 2011 at 1:39 AM

My take is that they fully believe they will never lose control -they have been playing for keeps for quite a while lately -the media has come out of the “agenda” closet wwith Newsweek asking if the constitution is relevant anymore, his civilian army got but a ho hum, the SEIU beating up on people, the President has spent us unto death,Obamacare, gunrunner,and the energy rape have but one purpose -to destroy our system and freedomand the RINO led GOP merely says tsk, tsk. They own the courts, the media, the education/degree to work power.

They know that the GOP right, isn’t serious about stopping them and they (as we saw with Obamacare) really don’t care to coverup their Marxist methodology (Alinsky)any longer.

These are not good days for America folks -like Rome -we won’t fall all at once, but if we aren’t in our last days, when most of the populace no longer cares about freedom -including many on the fiscal right- it’s a sign of the end.

Pessimist or realist -we’ll soon find out.

Don L on October 7, 2011 at 8:08 AM

“Well, these new Senate rules will come in handy when Republicans are in the majority and it’s time to repeal Obamacare.” – Jim Treacher, DC Morning, Daily Caller

Hear hear.

curved space on October 7, 2011 at 8:28 AM

It would be just like the hapless GOP -if they ever take back the senate -to revoke(instead of using it against America’s haters)the thing and then in their usual RINO fashion -invite the Dems to chair committes. After watching the GOP establishment deal with Palin and the Tea Party as if they were harmful to America, I’ve come to really understand the problem -it is the GOP!

Don L on October 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Am I 100 percent confident that I’m right? No. But I feel pretty comfortable with what we’ve done

so sayeth the fool.

ted c on October 7, 2011 at 8:39 AM

American Webmaster’s Family mad about Obama murder of son Samir Khan

CHARLOTTE, N.C., Oct. 6 (UPI) — Samir Khan’s family in Charlotte, N.C., called the al-Qaida propagandist killed in a U.S. airstrike a “law-abiding” citizen assassinated by the U.S. government.

In a statement, The Charlotte Observer reported, the family said: “Being a law-abiding citizen of the United States, our late son Samir Khan never broke any law and was never implicated of any crime. The Fifth Amendment states that no citizen shall be ‘deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law’ yet our government assassinated two of its citizens.”"

Khan, 25, was killed in the airstrike Friday in Yemen along with radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, also a U.S. citizen.

In the statement, the family questioned why Khan was not captured and tried and asked, “Where is the justice?”

The family said the U.S. government had not “contacted us with any news about the recovery of our son’s remains nor offered us any condolences.”

“As a result, we feel appalled by the indifference shown to us by our government,” the statement said.

Khan was the editor of “Inspire,” a magazine aimed at recruiting young Muslims to the al-Qaida view of jihad. One of its articles was titled “How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom.”

His family moved to Charlotte from New York in 2004.

Spathi on October 7, 2011 at 8:48 AM

Barack Obama Installs A “Death Panel” After All

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/07/barack-obama-installs-a-death-panel-after-all/
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It turns out that despite his protestations last year that he’d never implement “Death Panels” of elitists who decide whether or not American citizens should die, President Barack Obama has gone ahead and done just that. There is a actually a Death Panel that meets to decide whether an American citizen should die. It operates in secret without any public record. It is not accountable for its actions under the law.

The conservatives had just guessed the wrong department.

Palin was seeing the future with death panels maybe.

Spathi on October 7, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Go ahead “Dirty Harry” bring the bill to the floor for a vote. I bet at least 12 democRATs wont vote for it. Then your president will be shown to be limp, like we all know he is.33792

mmcnamer1 on October 7, 2011 at 9:03 AM

“Well, these new Senate rules will come in handy when Republicans are in the majority and it’s time to repeal Obamacare.” – Jim Treacher, DC Morning, Daily Caller

One would think so. Trouble is, most of the GOP thinks it’s still yesterday’s politics, more like afternoon croquet than a blood fight to the finish.

Republicans always, perhaps to their credit if times were as they used to be and such things mattered, take the ‘high road’ while the Dems never do.

Anymore, this is not a virtue. The GOP had damned well better figure out soon that the goal MUST be to utterly destroy the Democrats, once and for all. There can be no negotiation, no kindness, no weakness – nothing but their utter and permanent destruction and removal from the political marketplace is acceptable at this point.

Midas on October 6, 2011 at 10:27 PM

IMV, there’s always room for decent mainstream Dems, few though they may be, who respect the Constitution and traditional American values. But the radical ‘progressives’ who now control the party, must be crushed. As you suggest, it needs to be a victory for the generations.

petefrt on October 7, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Angle was the anybody but Reid candidate and see how well that turned out. This is why Cain will have trouble, without any political experience what so ever, dealing with a dem majority. There is no guarantee that the repubs will gain senate control. We are dealing with evil people who have no self limits when they are working toward their goals. We still have a president who promised us a national security force just as well funded as the military. They are in their infancy right now.

Kissmygrits on October 7, 2011 at 9:10 AM

BTW, I think this episode shows that Reid is far better than McConnell at parliamentary rules.

Scott H on October 6, 2011 at 10:03 PM

No, it doesn’t, what it means is that Reid in in the majority and risked the future of the minority for an unprecedented foolish move.
The Republicans know what the rules are, but no one thought the dems would be so dumb as to do this…this short term excersize will hurt them terribly…and hurt Obama.
Imagine in the debates, to get his bills passed, Obama had to have Reid suspend minority vote to get it passed…he won’t be able to defend this.
They (and you) may think this is clever, but it is “clever” for this one instance…and a disaster to them long term.
This opens the gate, and even the MSM knows it…it is unprecedented, which means in the hundreds of years, it has never been done…why do you think that?
Because the “pay-back”, the long term results are so devastating…
The dems only hope, only hope now, is that they retain the majority in the Senate…other wise this “dems know the rules better then the Republican’s” notion will look pretty stupid.

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 9:19 AM

Thank you dems…you just gave the Republican’s the weapon they need for the next congress.

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 9:21 AM

The time to be passive is coming to an end. The “occupywallstreet” bunch, given orders by obama and his surrogates, want a war. He wants to be given a reason to impose Marital Law. Let THEM make the first move….

Tea Party patriots and all who are simply tired of crap like this need to be ready to head to D.C., with facts & logic at the ready…And a stash of pitch-forks and torches standing by.

The time to be passive is coming to an end.
A government OF the people, BY the people & FOR the people, cannot function properly without…We The People. Either we engage now — or we may not make it to the elections next year. Fomenting civil unrest is what obama and his surrogates do best. If they can cause enough of it to call off elections, they will…Make no mistake.

The time to be passive is coming to an end.
Utilize your constitutional and civil rights, and send a message to Washington, telling obama to call off his “hounds”, and engage in a civil and respectful manner. Americans will take alot of crap, but they WILL NOT take being threatened by a bunch of pansy-ass, willfully-ignorant, gimme-gimme, we-want-everything-handed-to-us-without-working-for-it assclowns.

Talismen on October 7, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I wouldn’t bet my farm on it. There’s a great chance that GOP will not win anything and will only keep the house by diminished numbers.

There’s a better chance I’ll be appointed the next Archbishop of Canterbury.

eyedoc on October 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM

Fine. The senate GOP needed to be cured forever of playing patty-cake with the other side. I know they don’t have the votes to do anything now, but I hope this remains a galvanizing moment for the future.

TexasDan on October 6, 2011 at 11:08 PM

This was probably a shrewd move by McConnell, in a backhanded way. He got the Democrats on record as NOT allowing amendments after cloture, so the Republicans now know that their only recourse to blocking anything in the Senate is to filibuster and vote AGAINST cloture, which will give any squishes among the 47 a greater incentive to hang tough and continue a filibuster.

Steve Z on October 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM

“As a result, we feel appalled by the indifference shown to us by our government,” the statement said.

Khan was the editor of “Inspire,” a magazine aimed at recruiting young Muslims to the al-Qaida view of jihad. One of its articles was titled “How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom.”

His family moved to Charlotte from New York in 2004.

Spathi on October 7, 2011 at 8:48 AM

We the People threatened by Khan “feel appalled by the indifference” his Mom showed to the bomb in her kitchen.

Steve Z on October 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Harry Reid will be the minority soon enough.

Schadenfreude on October 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM

OH MAN — Bishop! Thank you for listing those words, the other day in response to some posting about the OccupyWallStreet thing, I got all confused, I could not get my little set of thoughts to nibble their way onto the board. It was SUPER frustrating and I couldn’t find anything in it that was remotely controversial. It was drawing parallels with Jacobins and such. The word I had used .. was on your list. I had no idea it was banned.

WashingtonsWake on October 7, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Soon the Senate will have different people and paybacks are a beech.

Redglen on October 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Fascists . . . these dictatorial bums and their street goons are attempting to take over the country for force and intimidation. Fight back people before you lose it all.

rplat on October 7, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I know quite a bit about the LDS faith. And I can tell you that as far as their Articles of Faith (which lays out the basic tenets of their beliefs), Harry Reid is in violation of many of them. I am less familiar with the requirements of holding a temple recommend, but from what I hear, he should not hold one. Also, I have a friend who met him in the temple and brought up politics to him. Reid did what he could to basically pitch my friend on how what he is doing in congress is in line with Godly principles. There are TONS of LDS politicians (mostly conservatives) and I have never heard of any of them preaching politics in the temple.

I remember a time when Christ removed the money changers from the temple and I believe politics is in the same category.

BTW, until that discussion with Reid, my friend was supportive of him because he remembered him when he was simply the senator from Nevada. Once he became majority leader, his nature as a vile traitor to all that is good was fully revealed. My friend has become more conservative since then.

csdeven on October 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM

And then the Dems will give campaign speeches about how they tried to be Bi-Partisan and the Republicans wouldn’t let them. And the libtard voters won’t remember because they were all stoned.

kirkill on October 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM

csdeven on October 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Well then to disparage Reid is against #12…and of course because of that, Obama has to be submitted to…any undermining of him is against what your Prophet Joesph Smith taught (except when it comes to child brides, that’s okay).

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM

So here’s the plan:

After taking the Senate in 2012, the GOP simply changes the rules so that the Dems are prevented from doing anything in the chamber except voting.

Perfectly Constitutional.

BobMbx on October 7, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Good, two can play at that game. I hope McConnell objects to every UC from quorum calls to allowing committee hearings in the afternoon. SHUT IT DOWN!

stuartm650 on October 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Perfectly Constitutional.

BobMbx on October 7, 2011 at 10:46 AM

And reasonable…that is what is so foolish about this plan…but here is the problem, Republicans don’t vote “lock-step” for these kind of things, we need to overwhelmingly need to take the senate, we have at least 2 and probably 5 that would balk at such an action.

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Well then to disparage Reid is against #12…and of course because of that, Obama has to be submitted to…any undermining of him is against what your Prophet Joesph Smith taught (except when it comes to child brides, that’s okay).

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM

1) Disparaging Reid is legal you dolt.
2) To be subject to means to shun anarchy as I read it.
3) I am under no obligation to follow any LDS tenets.

Your bigotry knows no boundaries does it?

csdeven on October 7, 2011 at 11:04 AM

I don’t know if it can ever be done, but congress needs to be cleaned out wholesale and we need to start over. The process has become too large, too complicated and completely corrupts the intentions of the founding fathers. No better argument for term limits than the morons currently in congress.

ultracon on October 7, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Your bigotry knows no boundaries does it?

csdeven on October 7, 2011 at 11:04 AM

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

When Reid passes a law, you are subject to and must honor that law…disparaging him for upholding the law is against the Articles of Faith….you must “honor” and “obey” Reid when he is sustaining the law, and since that is his job, any attack on him is an attack on the Articles of Faith.
Of course it is “legal”, but it is against the Articles of Faith, you must be subject to him, obey him, and honor him, as he is sustaining the law.
It has nothing to do with “anarchy”, where do you read that…or does that fall under #8, “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”
Where the Mormon’s only believe it if it is translated by them.
Honey, it ain’t “bigotry” when you are quoting the Mormon text, unless you think Mormon’s are bigot…these aren’t my words, these are the profound words of the most holy and 100% always correct Joseph Smith.
BTW, when he is in the Temple and doing his work, that is God’s work, he is sustaining the law…your friend should have been honored and obey what Reid was telling him, especially in the confines of the Temple.

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Fascism, Democrat style baby!!!!!!

ButterflyDragon on October 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Fascism, Democrat style baby!!!!!!

ButterflyDragon on October 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Watch them cry and whine when it happens to them…the only advantage is that the MSM is on their side, so the Republicans have to be much stronger in numbers.

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Did Begich vote to overturn his own ruling?

Amphipolis on October 7, 2011 at 12:06 PM

He did.

Begich voted for his own freshly-made ruling to be overturned.

Well, that’s more than curious.

Amphipolis on October 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Finally? Pretty sure he went batsh!t crazy way back when.

Gang-of-One on October 6, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Assuming you’re right, who’s been holding him in check and what happened to them? The stench of desperation in thick in D.C. these days…much worse than the smell of the tourists in summer.

SKYFOX on October 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

and the lsm has no problem with what harry did…

just wait until the gop take back the senate

the 24/7 outrage that will ensue

cmsinaz on October 7, 2011 at 1:27 PM

right2bright on October 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Your bigotry drips from every comment you make when it comes to the LDS faith.

csdeven on October 7, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Typical spoiled children. Demand everyone play by their rule book. But, let a conservative, Republican or other member of our citizenry
find a loophole to our advantage, and watch them become so incensed that they were beat by their own rule.

The prime example today is Mr. Herman Cain who is supposed to be the black competition for President Obana in 2012. The problem is that Mr. Cain read the book and found it is easier to fight fiction with facts, and the left found they have no response that will win.

MSGTAS on October 8, 2011 at 9:32 AM

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