Wow: Cain ties Perry for 2nd in new WaPo/ABC poll

posted at 8:45 am on October 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The question from last week’s sudden shift in momentum towards Herman Cain in the GOP presidential primary race was whether Cain could actually vie for the nomination.  After today’s poll from the Washington Post and ABC, the question may be whether anyone but Mitt Romney could stop him.  Right now, it certainly doesn’t like Rick Perry could, whose fortunes have fallen faster than they rose after two bad debates:

After a quick rise in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has experienced an almost equally dramatic decline, losing about half of his support over the past month, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Perry’s slide, which comes after several uneven performances in candidate debates, has allowed former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney to resurface atop the GOP field. But the most direct beneficiary of the disenchantment with Perry is businessman Herman Cain, who is now tied for second place.

You know who this, er, doesn’t help?  Oddly enough, Sarah Palin and Chris Christie:

Christie is feverishly assessing whether to do so, with a decision expected this week. But the Post-ABC poll finds only modest public support for a Christie candidacy. About 42 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they would like to see the New Jersey governor join the race.Thirty-four percent, say no, with the rest offering no opinion.

That finding is far more positive than the receptivity to a candidacy by Sarah Palin. Two-thirds of Republicans say they do not want the former Alaska governor to seek the party’s nomination.

There is plenty more to this poll in the GOP race, but let’s shift to Barack Obama for a moment.  The buzz over Cain’s sudden momentum will obscure the fact that Obama gets the lowest job-approval rating in the WaPo/ABC series at 42/54, which is also the highest disapproval of the series.  A month ago Obama was at 43/53, and he launched his new hard-Left populist strategy, along with a jobs bill and a deficit-reduction proposal.  Both seem to have flopped — even with a sample tilted toward Democrats at 32/25/37.

Oddly, Obama falls into virtual ties with Romney, Perry, and Christie among registered voters, but an overwhelming majority expects Obama to lose next year, 55/37. Among registered voters, 46% say they will definitely not vote for Obama next year, while only 23% say they definitely will — a slight improvement over August’s results.  Also, for all of the media talk about the collapse in polling for the Tea Party, the WaPo/ABC poll shows support at 42/47, not terribly different from its track all year long, and slightly better than April’s 42/49.

Back to the horse race.  The rankings don’t change when narrowing the respondents to registered voters, with Romney leading, Cain and Perry tied for second, and Christie in fourth place to close out those in double digits.  Palin and Ron Paul are tied among general-population respondents, followed by Newt Gingrich and then Michele Bachmann, with Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman at 1% each — which might put both out of the next debate.  The order doesn’t change at all with Palin out of the mix, or with Christie out of the mix, either.

The big news here is Herman Cain, especially among those to whom he is news.  He easily gets the best score among the contestants on the question “the more you hear about X, do you like him/her more or less?”  Cain gets at 47/12 on that question, while Romney gets a 38/35 and Perry gets a red-flag 30/44.  Christie comes close to Cain in this category at 43/23, but Palin’s closer to Perry at 35/49.

Cain appears to have caught fire, but as we saw with Perry, all that means is that the scrutiny of the media — and the other candidates — will now turn to Cain.  We’ll see how well he handles the heat, but another good debate performance might push him into the leading Not-Romney slot in the race.

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999 baby.

Brilliant in it’s simplicity – I hope it takes root with the public more and more.

jake-the-goose on October 4, 2011 at 8:48 AM

Here come more Uncle Tom Oreo jokes from the accepting left.

Ah well, at least they can’t call him a crackuh.

Bishop on October 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Chyeaaaa boy!

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM

That finding is far more positive than the receptivity to a candidacy by Sarah Palin. Two-thirds of Republicans say they do not want the former Alaska governor to seek the party’s nomination.

That dog whistle should liven things up around here.

darwin-t on October 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Rush hammered Cain for playing the race card. I thought Herman was above that crap. It looks like he’s another “say anything to get elected” kind of guy. Or maybe, he’s just trying to sell books.

NickDeringer on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

He’s the only mathematician up there!

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

The next debate should be a good one….

cmsinaz on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

“Here I am …

(dun nent den ent den den uh)

… rocks you like a HermanCain”

(dun ent dun ent dun dun dunnnnnnn)

Tony737 on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Polls are for strippers and cross country skiers.

idesign on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

The next debate should be a good one….

cmsinaz on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Yep

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Cain appears to have caught fire, but as we saw with Perry, all that means is that the scrutiny of the media — and the other candidates — will now turn to Cain. We’ll see how well he handles the heat, but another good debate performance might push him into the leading Not-Romney slot in the race.

He’s had a few gaffes thus far, but nothing major since the “right of return” blank stare from a few months ago. Cain’s mistakes are more along the lines of an inexperienced politician(which of course he is) occasionally speaking without thinking things through first. But I actually like that about the guy. I can’t stand people who have to poll test every damn thing they say or who pander in their responses(*cough* Mittens *cough*).

Regardless, he simply needs to continue to study up on foreign policy and be prepared to sell people on his 9-9-9 and SS reform plans. If he can do these things, he’ll easily become the top anti-Romney candidate if Christie and Palin pass on 2012. At that point we could very well be destined for a Mittens-Cain ticket with the only thing remaining to be determined is the order.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:55 AM

That dog whistle should liven things up around here.

darwin-t on October 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Good – maybe it will help wake me up.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Bachmann, huntsman and santorum should not even bother to show up….the focus will be on romney, cain and perry…..

Disappointed with Cains response, and hope to see an improved perry

cmsinaz on October 4, 2011 at 8:56 AM

I’m for Herman, provided we don’t hear any more of this race pandering garbage that he refelexively played into. He’s going on the Spew today, and if anybody else, besides Joy, gets stabbed in the neck, it won’t be pretty for Herman. He better remember who his friends are very quickly.

Western_Civ on October 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Rush hammered Cain for playing the race card. I thought Herman was above that crap. It looks like he’s another “say anything to get elected” kind of guy. Or maybe, he’s just trying to sell books.

NickDeringer on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

I thought Cain explained himself perfectly last night on Hannity’s TV show. He thought the word itself on the rock was offensive(he didn’t blame Perry for it) yet he stated about as emphatically as he could that he didn’t think Perry harbored any negative feelings towards blacks. Hopefully he calls Perry personally to say this, but otherwise people need to chill out and quit overreacting. What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Polls are for strippers and cross country skiers.

idesign on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

What about flags and tetherballs?

darwin-t on October 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM

O/T: Intrade has Uuuuuuuhbama at 45% and Romney at 48%.

Cain doesn’t even show up on the front page. That is kind of startling to me, in view of recent polls. Even MJ’s doctor shows up on the front page!

herm2416 on October 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM

How does a politician compete against someone whose main detraction is…he’s not a politician?

Why shouldn’t government be run more like a business? Merit-based funding for all programs, slashing waste and redundancy.

Mord on October 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM

What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

He’s supposed to say:

It’s okay and I hope Sarah Palin wins

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:01 AM

I thought Cain explained himself perfectly last night on Hannity’s TV show. He thought the word itself on the rock was offensive(he didn’t blame Perry for it) yet he stated about as emphatically as he could that he didn’t think Perry harbored any negative feelings towards blacks. Hopefully he calls Perry personally to say this, but otherwise people need to chill out and quit overreacting. What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

He could have said, when asked by Chris Wallace, “I don’t know all the facts. I’ll reserve judgment until I hear from Gov. Perry. It doesn’t sound like the kind of thing he would do.”

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

I hope Cain personally called Perry to straighten this out as I do believe Cain is a man of character.

I personally don’t care for what Cain said and I think he blew a great chance to seperate himself from Obama with regard to race.

All in all – this was a sleazy attempt by the WaPo to take Perry out of the race and it didn’t work. For that – I am grateful.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM

You know who this, er, doesn’t help? Oddly enough, Sarah Palin and Chris Christie:

Well seeing as they both have a job, it doesn’t hurt them either.
Palin had no inclination to run, she was jerking the chain of her supporters to keep her relevant.
If Cain continues, as I have said from the day Cain jumped in, she will back and support Cain. Romney is dead meat unless they find out that Cain is really a white man who is hates tea.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Rush hammered Cain for playing the race card. I thought Herman was above that crap. It looks like he’s another “say anything to get elected” kind of guy. Or maybe, he’s just trying to sell books.

NickDeringer on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

That was my thought as well when I heard about it. Even Texas Democrats with no reason for love of Perry have said the guy’s no racist.

I’m no longer listening to Cain. He’s showed his personal ambition to be his greatest priority through that comment.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM

He could have said, when asked by Chris Wallace, “I don’t know all the facts. I’ll reserve judgment until I hear from Gov. Perry. It doesn’t sound like the kind of thing he would do.”

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Well short of that, he pretty much defended Perry last night on Hannity and I imagine he’ll continue to do so from this point forward(or decline to speak on the matter). Believe me, if dude wanted to double down like Bachmann stupidly did with Gardisil, he would have, but he didn’t.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

Mitt Romney = Wall Street Businessman
Herman Cain = Main Street Businessman

We’ve seen what an anti-business, anti-American, Marxist in the White House did to this economy and nation.

I would like both of these guys on the ticket in either order. Fix the economy, the nation, and kill “Republicans are racist” once and for all. It would heal this country and lead to a much better country in the long run.

Just my opinion…..

adamsmith on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

OT:

Tonight’s results from W. Virginia should be sweet as UpChuck Todd just stated that a Democrat loss would be 100 percent the fault of “Toxic Obama”. 100 percent, no excuses. And the Democrats are ahead in early voting, but UpChuck is worried they’re not voting for the Democrat candidate.

Marcus on October 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM

maybe, he’s just trying to sell books.

NickDeringer on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

The guy has been involved with MAJOR corporations, and did very well for himself. Selling some books doesn’t really strengthen his already solid bottom line.

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Marcus on October 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Oh yeah – I forgot that was today.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:09 AM

What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Exactly…however, on a bit of a different note.
When asked about Obama taking out the latest terrorist, he had a perfect opening to say (after stating he was uneasy about us doing that) that he was glad that after nearly three years, Obama has begun to understand that George Bush was correct, it is a shame that he attacked President Bush for doing the exact same thing that Obama is now doing…and wrap it up by saying Obama owes President Bush an apology.
Every interview should have one objective, every question one objective, stick to Obama…secondary is his fellow candidates, that will be sorted out by how he handles the mess that Obama has gotten us into…everything else is a distraction, and a diversionary tactic….Amen…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Well short of that, he pretty much defended Perry last night on Hannity and I imagine he’ll continue to do so from this point forward(or decline to speak on the matter). Believe me, if dude wanted to double down like Bachmann stupidly did with Gardisil, he would have, but he didn’t.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

A little too late, unless he does publicly explain himself on other shows. He is not ready for the curve-ball question, which is also true of other people running. But when you stumble, it lives on.

Hannity? Fine, but how many watch, as compared to Fox News Sunday?

It’s the clip of Cain on Wallace’s Sunday show that made the news, and will be quoted.

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

+1 GG

cmsinaz on October 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

That’s not fixing it for me. I saw it as a knee-jerk reaction. Whether he was reacting to an opening for attack on Perry or to an opportunity to speak about racism… the guy wouldn’t have to be clarifying his statement if he’d thought it out beforehand.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:14 AM

Let’s recap the predictions I made after the last GOP debate:

As a follow-up to my comment @ 10:32pm, I make the following predictions:

1. I expect a rash of polls and articles over the weekend and the coming week all designed to show that “Perry is finished” and “Romney is the de-facto nominee”.

2. The polls will tighten again but I expect Perry to maintain a slim lead. It’s still a two man race although nearing parity.

3. The media-contrived clamor for Palin to get in and the favorable reviews will diminish as they work off the assumption that Perry is finished.

4. Romney lost the Hispanic/immigrant vote last night. Perry won it if he is the GOP nominee.

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 10:41 AM

It’s amazing how all the above has panned out. RCP places Romney at a slim +0.3 lead meaning the race is back to parity based on the recent polls.

The good news for Perry – he has had everything thrown at him from the left and the right and he survived. He is still in contention.

The attacks on Perry was attributed to him being the frontrunner. The last three debates were all about him. Can we hope then that the next few debates will be about Romney and probably Cain?

I doubt it.

Romney, unlike many neophytes here, knows that Perry is far from done and remains his greatest threat. I expect Romney not to relent in his attacks on Perry although to what extent the rest of the field will help him out is not certain – seeing that he is back to frontrunner status, albeit a small lead.

I also hope this serves as a wake-up call to conservatives here. There is no one apart from Perry that can beat Romney. Conservative in-fighting will move the other candidates into contention but it will never be enough to beat Romney – just enough to split the vote.

So Bachmann/Santorum/Cain/Palin supporters – you can persist in your attempts to demonize Perry and we will all end up with Romney as the nominee. And Obama winning re-election in a landslide.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

NickDeringer on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

That was my thought as well when I heard about it. Even Texas Democrats with no reason for love of Perry have said the guy’s no racist.

I’m no longer listening to Cain. He’s showed his personal ambition to be his greatest priority through that comment.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM

He explained himself, and if you had actually listened to his answer, he never threw it onto Perry…he was mainly focused on the reprehensible name. If you listened to Hannity, go on the website and listen, you would know that.
A mountain over a molehill…and true to form you took the bait and now the “Cain” water is tainted…the MSM manipulates you guys so easy it is almost laughable if not so sad.
Every candidate this will be done to, a snippet here, a snippet there, and you guys roll over because you don’t have the fortitude to defend conservatives against the MSM…you are like taking candy from a baby….so easy.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

999 upside down is 666 — just sayin’.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

What someone answers to a question the first time, is a window to their soul. What they say the second time, is a window to their goal…No matter what it takes to achieve it.

derft on October 4, 2011 at 9:17 AM

So Bachmann/Santorum/Cain/Palin supporters – you can persist in your attempts to demonize Perry and we will all end up with Romney as the nominee. And Obama winning re-election in a landslide.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

How much do you want to put on that “Obama by a landslide”?…just about any amount less than $5,000 to a charity, loser pays, winner gets his check back.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

However, just to be clear, Romney cannot be Obama.
Obama will win, and it will show us how close we were if we chose just about any other candidate…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:19 AM

In my best whiny voice: But, but, but, Cain isn’t a career snake oil salesman…I mean politician!

NotCoach on October 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM

It’s the clip of Cain on Wallace’s Sunday show that made the news, and will be quoted.

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Such is the life of a conservative…but the people have caught on.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

The only way Obama wins is if we nominate Paul. This election will be a referendum on Obama.

NotCoach on October 4, 2011 at 9:22 AM

In my best whiny voice: But, but, but, Cain isn’t a career snake oil salesman…I mean politician!

NotCoach on October 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Well, you have the whiny part down pat…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Cain is a flash in the pan. Good man, but not presidential material. 999 is not a plan that can/will ever be implemented. This is still going to come down to Perry v. Romney. If Perry improves his debate performances and decides to aggressively take on the Washington Post (since they have decided to run another hit piece today) Cain will become a nice side story.

I predict Romney gets the nomination, picks Marco Rubio as a running mate for conservative cred and romps in Novemember 2012. At least that will put Rubio in line, and he will be able to draw contrasts in 2020 between his boss and himself so as not to be labeled as running for Romney’s third term.

Romney is not ideal, but WAY better than the current administration.

JDH on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

That’s not fixing it for me. I saw it as a knee-jerk reaction. Whether he was reacting to an opening for attack on Perry or to an opportunity to speak about racism… the guy wouldn’t have to be clarifying his statement if he’d thought it out beforehand.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:14 AM

Was it really a knee-jerk reaction or merely a man asked about a racial slur speaking from the heart? It’s a little disturbing that people on our side seem eager to cannibalize these candidates for every single thing they say that allegedly veers off-script.

Perry deserves heat for the “heartless” remark not just because it was condescending but because it dealt directly with a position he holds on in-state tuition for illegals that’s opposed by a majority of the base. What Cain did was answer a question posed to him about an offensive word that I’m certain has been thrown his way countless times in his life. This wasn’t a policy matter. He didn’t throw Perry under the bus by calling him a racist. And he clarified his comments 24 hours later in case anyone thought he was playing the race card.

We need to chill the F out or else we’re not gonna be left with any candidates by the time the primaries begin. Well, aside from Mittens who’ll be the only one left standing because the base devoted all its energy to tearing everyone else down.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Go Cain! I think that his background as a systems analyst will serve him well. I really really like him. I think he will make a fine president.

kringeesmom on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Nope. I’ve had it up to my ears with black politicians who claim that race isn’t an issue for them, bellying up to the bar for comment any time there’s an accusation of racism. There just doesn’t seem enough difference between Cain’s comments and “the Cambridge police acted stupidly”.

The fundamental issue was whether the guy would take the bait and allow the accusations of racism against Perry to stand. He blew it.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

This was not playing the card on Perry????????????????

That is very insensitive. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and rename the place. It’s just a basic case of insensitivity.”

Southernblogger on October 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM

So Bachmann/Santorum/Cain/Palin supporters – you can persist in your attempts to demonize Perry and we will all end up with Romney as the nominee. And Obama winning re-election in a landslide.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Sounds overly cynical…I thought Romney was polling well among independents. Are you that concerned that the conservative base won’t bother to show up for Romney?

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM

999 upside down is 666 — just sayin’.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

I really wish you hadn’t told me that.

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

Polls are for strippers and cross country skiers.

idesign on October 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

What about flags and tetherballs?

darwin-t on October 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM

And, fishing. You can’t forget fishing…

Fallon on October 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

Well, you have the whiny part down pat…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:22 AM

I can whine with the best of them.

NotCoach on October 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Perry deserves heat for the “heartless” remark not just because it was condescending but because it dealt directly with a position he holds on in-state tuition for illegals that’s opposed by a majority of the base.

Does Cain deserve heat and my vote for saying he would not support Perry if he were the nominee?

derft on October 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

So does this mean he’ll hit the ground in Iowa instead of doing a book tour?

parteagirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:28 AM

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

I see it rather as ‘a process of elimination’, one that voters will engage in before the primary. This incident takes Cain out of contention for me. I no longer trust him and there are other candidates I can assess.

I’m not the one who publicly failed to note Reagan’s eleventh commandment. Cain is.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:28 AM

999 baby.

Brilliant in it’s simplicity – I hope it takes root with the public more and more.

jake-the-goose on October 4, 2011 at 8:48 AM

I wonder if this will last however…that 999 plan will raise taxes on a lot of people. I am not saying it is a horrible idea or anything, but I don’t think it will get through Congress. But I do think that some kind of tax reform probably will.

People like Cain because they think he is genuine and sincere.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Romney is not ideal, but WAY better than the current administration.

JDH on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

This 100%.

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM

How much do you want to put on that “Obama by a landslide”?…just about any amount less than $5,000 to a charity, loser pays, winner gets his check back.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM

If Romney becomes the GOP nominee, I am ready to bet above the $5,000 you quoted that he will lose to Obama.

Romney brings nothing to the table. Heck, he can’t even win Mass. despite being an ex-Governor. He also stands to lose some hitherto safe “red” states to Obama – due to his play on the in-state tuition issue and his religion that will cause many to stay at home and not bother voting for him.

If you think Obama is that weak, think twice. We are all being set up for a mediagasm that will break out in spring/summer of next year as the economy picks up slightly – mark my words. Obama will be hailed as the comeback kid and Romney will flip-flop again if he is the nominee.

Many will not see the difference in the stances because if Romney thinks he is slick, Obama is slicker. Obama will move to the right and left of Romney and will definitely outplay him. And what will be his argument? That he will be the better manager of this Big Govt. albatross?

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

That is very insensitive. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and rename the place. It’s just a basic case of insensitivity.”

Southernblogger on October 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM

On his followup on Hannity last night, he said that he thought that the word being on that rock for however long it was is what he meant by “insensitive”. He didn’t blame Perry for the word being left there all that time. He in fact defended Perry against any allegations of racism. But he said the word being on that rock for what was likely years if not decades was what he found to be insensitive. Again, you can think he was playing the race card against Perry if you want. I think it was a black man who grew up in the segregated South taking offense at a racial slur.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

But what do I know…I still like Newt.

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Romney is dead meat unless they find out that Cain is really a white man who is hates tea.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM

That’s too funny!!! Agree with you re: Palin supporting him. Herman was Tea Party way before (cough) Romney was Tea Party.

Key West Reader on October 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

So Bachmann/Santorum/Cain/Palin supporters – you can persist in your attempts to demonize Perry and we will all end up with Romney as the nominee. And Obama winning re-election in a landslide.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Sounds overly cynical…I thought Romney was polling well among independents. Are you that concerned that the conservative base won’t bother to show up for Romney?

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Like it or not Romney has a lot better chance of beating Obama than Perry does. That is just a reality.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

People like Cain because they think he is genuine and sincere.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM

I thought so too. Until this cheap shot on Perry.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Does Cain deserve heat and my vote for saying he would not support Perry if he were the nominee?

derft on October 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

If he sincerely meant that he wouldn’t back Perry in a matchup with Obama, then yes. If he meant he wouldn’t endorse Perry for the nomination if he were on the outside looking in, then I don’t really see what the big deal is there.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Here come more Uncle Tom Oreo jokes from the accepting left.

Ah well, at least they can’t call him a crackuh.

Bishop on October 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM

They will treat him the same way they treat Clarence Thomas.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

I posted this in another thread and want to make sure someone sees this and has an answer. Why isn’t anyone questioning Perry’s total absence of private sector experience. He was football cheerleader at Texas A&M and then went into government and has remained on the public payroll since then. He has lived in public housing for the last 10 years. Perry is part of that group of rich Texans who practice racism covertly and not overtly…or until this rock incident has come to light.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Romney has RomneyCare – RINO
Perry’s soft on immigration – RINO
Christie supported the ground-zero mosque – RINO
Palin raised taxes on big oil – RINO
Huntsman served in the Obama administration – RINO
Cain finds the “n” word offensive – RINO
Newt sat on a couch with Nancy Pelosi – RINO
Gary Johnson favors legalized weed – RINO
Michelle Bachmann thinks Gardasil makes girls retarded – WHACKO
Ron Paul thinks we shouldn’t have taken out Al Alwaki – WHACKO

Let’s see…. guess we’ll have to go with Rick Santorum. Oops – he said this:

“They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.”

Sounds like a RINO to me.

Guess I’ll have to vote for Obama. There are no REAL conservatives in the race.

/sarc

Jeez, people. Cain didn’t “play the race card;” he never claimed that he was personally injured or especially offended because of his race; he never claimed that he was being treated unfairly because of his race.

If he were white and said that the WaPo article bothered him a bit, would he have been “playing the race card?” Or would it be ok for a white person to question the Perry family judgement, but not a black person?

It would be nice if all the candidates would learn to say, “I’ll wait until the facts are in;” but the mild concern Cain expressed is NOTHING compared to the crap that the Romney and Perry camps have been flinging at each other, over complete lies, distortions and half-truths they are fed by an eager and complicit MSM.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

People like Cain because they think he is genuine and sincere.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM

I thought so too. Until this cheap shot on Perry.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

I am not so sure that was a cheap shot. He was responding to that word more than to Perry and then after he heard Perry’s response to all of it, Cain accepted what Perry said and made a statement that he considered it closed.

After all, Perry has made some mistakes himself in things he has said as well.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM

You know whose image this hurts the most? The Republican/conservative electorate, which is obviously about as psychologically stable as Continental Europeans were between the wars. Elephants in must display more self-discipline. No wonder Romney is betting that the toddlers will cry themselves to sleep. It’s the only strategy that makes sense.

Seth Halpern on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

If he sincerely meant that he wouldn’t back Perry in a matchup with Obama, then yes. If he meant he wouldn’t endorse Perry for the nomination if he were on the outside looking in, then I don’t really see what the big deal is there.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Ah so something else he didn’t really mean what he said.

Hard to keep up.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Exactly. I grew up in the south during those years. Yes, the word was used. Yes, it was just as offensive then as now. I said in once as a child. Repeating what I’d heard from an adult. Ever taste Octagon soap?
The WORD offends him. Not Perry, not some damn rock.
If you want to see full decks of race cards, look to DC.

katy the mean old lady on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

It would be nice if all the candidates would learn to say, “I’ll wait until the facts are in;” but the mild concern Cain expressed is NOTHING compared to the crap that the Romney and Perry camps have been flinging at each other, over complete lies, distortions and half-truths they are fed by an eager and complicit MSM.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

I think this is true as well.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

After all, Perry has made some mistakes himself in things he has said as well.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Yep and he’s taken responsibility and apologized for them when they were wrong.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM

If he sincerely meant that he wouldn’t back Perry in a matchup with Obama,

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

That is is exactly what he said and what he meant. So,you support someone that would rather see BHO get another 4 years than support and vote for Perry. Geez

derft on October 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM

What the hell is a 65 year-old black man who grew up in Georgia during the Jim Crow era supposed to say when asked about that word?

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Hell yes. Besides other candidates will be ask what they think of that name as well..what are any of them supposed to say? They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

If the Perry family had just gotten rid of that silly rock years ago, this would not be an issue. I am surprised that it never occurred to Rick Perry to do that after he got into politics. I think he just sort of forgot about it.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Romney has RomneyCare – RINO
Perry’s soft on immigration – RINO
Christie supported the ground-zero mosque – RINO
Palin raised taxes on big oil – RINO
Huntsman served in the Obama administration – RINO
Cain finds the “n” word offensive – RINO
Newt sat on a couch with Nancy Pelosi – RINO
Gary Johnson favors legalized weed – RINO
Michelle Bachmann thinks Gardasil makes girls retarded – WHACKO
Ron Paul thinks we shouldn’t have taken out Al Alwaki – WHACKO

Let’s see…. guess we’ll have to go with Rick Santorum. Oops – he said this

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

That pretty much sums it up. I guess we won’t be running anyone against Obama. At least until that mythical perfect candidate who never misspeaks arrives on the scene.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Cain is a racist/play the race card hahaha, I guess that’s why people like him so. Cain IS a gentleman and has every right to be offended at such derogatory words AND unlike Perry isn’t part of the elite that is killing this country.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Mitt Romney = Wall Street Businessman

Just my opinion…..

adamsmith on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I respect your opinion but,

Mitt Romney = Weathervane

The problem with wearthervanes is, you never know when the winds of change will blow. You don’t know where their true north is.

Fallon on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Sounds overly cynical…I thought Romney was polling well among independents. Are you that concerned that the conservative base won’t bother to show up for Romney?

lynncgb on October 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM

See my comment @ 9:32am.

Romney has very weak support among conservatives. Infact, there are some who outright hate him and will never, under any circumstance, vote for him. I would daresay that his support is weaker than McCain c. 2008.

You’ve all seen what intense negative media focus can do to a candidate’s poll numbers, that is Perry. But at least Perry can count on Republicans pulling for him (ala Bush in 2004). Romney cannot.

Now fasttrack to next year…

Romney is the GOP nominee. He holds debates with Obama. The media spins that Obama is the winner of all the debates and Obama will be slick – you can bet on that.

The media then unleashes a massive attack on Romney, planned and detailed from the last three years. It will cover his flip-flops, his failure as Governor, and religion.

Romney already starts from a position of weak support. You think the attacks will rally conservatives to him? I bet it rather confirms what they have known about him all along and depresses turnout allowing Obama to waltz to re-election.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

After all, Perry has made some mistakes himself in things he has said as well.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Yep and he’s taken responsibility and apologized for them when they were wrong.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM

What exactly is Cain supposed to apologize for? Finding the word n****r offensive? He came out and said that he accepted what Perry said about the issue and that he thought it should be forgotten.

He did not say that Perry did not have a heart though did he?

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Cain is a racist/play the race card hahaha, I guess that’s why people like him so. Cain IS a gentleman and has every right to be offended at such derogatory words AND unlike Perry isn’t part of the elite that is killing this country.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Perry part of the “elite” – sorry but that’s so incredibly false it’s funny.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Yep and he’s taken responsibility and apologized for them when they were wrong.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM

He waited quite a while to say anything apologetic about the “heartless” remark. I’m glad he finally tried to walk that one back, but it seems like people are cutting Perry way more slack for a truly boneheaded mistake than they are with Cain for something far less egregious.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Ah so something else he didn’t really mean what he said.

Hard to keep up.

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

When you mind is made up, like yours, it isn’t difficult to keep up, you just shut out an explanation or any ideas that contradict yours…the word to try to understand is “discernment”.
There is a difference, but you won’t acknowledge this, between internal candidates fighting it out, and when they actually become the nominee.
Women have an especially difficult time understanding this competitive mindset…we can battle it out on the field, and have a beer afterward.
The MSM jerks your chain, and you respond…Cain stated the word and the circumstances of having it in the public is reprehensible…I don’t know, maybe you embrace the word, or think it is okay for a “politician” to dodge an answer…we will never know because you can’t keep up.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Mitt Romney = Wall Street Businessman

Just my opinion…..

adamsmith on October 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I respect your opinion but,

Mitt Romney = Weathervane

The problem with wearthervanes is, you never know when the winds of change will blow. You don’t know where their true north is.

Fallon on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Romney is no more of a weather vane than most of the people up there. Cain can not be accused of that because he does not have a record to look at.

Romney would be a lot better than what we have in there now.

He did veto parts of the Mass health care plan and the vetoes were over ridden. And the present administration in Mass has changed that plan beyond what it was originally anyway. The plan is supported by more than 80% of the people in that state. And if we are going to support the rights of states to create policy that suits them through their state legislatures..then obviously the kinds of plans that will come out of Mass will be a lot different than the kinds of plans coming out of Texas or Indiana or Georgia.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM

I am not so sure that was a cheap shot. He was responding to that word more than to Perry and then after he heard Perry’s response to all of it, Cain accepted what Perry said and made a statement that he considered it closed.

After all, Perry has made some mistakes himself in things he has said as well.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM

I don’t think so. There’s the direct quote below. He deliberately repeats his ‘Perry is insensitive’ statement. It was an attack. His own quotable words prove it. And he can backpeddle for all he’s worth, but I’m not buying it.

Of course, this might not be a big deal for some people. But from my point of view, I only get to vote for one and the rest must be eliminated from my list. This takes Cain out of the running for me. I’m done with race-baiting.

“Since Gov. Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place,” he told ABC’s “This Week.”

“Yes, it was painted over,” he said. “But how long ago was it painted over? So I’m still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/04/wow-cain-ties-perry-for-2nd-in-new-wapoabc-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-4972322

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM

He waited quite a while to say anything apologetic about the “heartless” remark. I’m glad he finally tried to walk that one back, but it seems like people are cutting Perry way more slack for a truly boneheaded mistake than they are with Cain for something far less egregious.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM

No kidding.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Romney already starts from a position of weak support. You think the attacks will rally conservatives to him? I bet it rather confirms what they have known about him all along and depresses turnout allowing Obama to waltz to re-election.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

One of the pillars of the conservative movement, and most of the nation, is to rid us of ObamaCare…this is off the table with Romney because of RomneyCare.
And each debate will throw that back into Romney’s face. That he will say anything to get elected.
He can’t win a debate when your number two (behind the economy) can be used against you.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:50 AM

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Remember, if you mess up once, you’re forever a RINO.

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM

He has every right to assume a national article is factual…it’s WaPo’s fault to putting out the wrong information.
You can’t be running a campaign, and being an investigative journalist to make sure every national story is correct in every detail.
He was responding to a written report and article.
You anger should be at WaPo, but it won’t, and that is the problem.
You have been manipulated, and Cain tainted, which is what they wanted, one or the other, it doesn’t matter, because next time you will follow them again and attack the other…it is so easy for them to manipulate you, so very easy.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Of course, this might not be a big deal for some people. But from my point of view, I only get to vote for one and the rest must be eliminated from my list. This takes Cain out of the running for me. I’m done with race-baiting.

“Since Gov. Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place,” he told ABC’s “This Week.”

“Yes, it was painted over,” he said. “But how long ago was it painted over? So I’m still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/04/wow-cain-ties-perry-for-2nd-in-new-wapoabc-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-4972322

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM

The very next day, Cain backed off of this. Perry gave an explanation and he accepted it..he is not the one who is still beating this dead horse.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I think the nation is ready for a black president. Shhh, secret: Clinton wasn’t really black.

shick on October 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Remember, if you mess up once, you’re forever a RINO.

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Even if it is reported you messed up and you didn’t, you are a RINO!
My God, this is so easy for the MSM, and it has just started the election season…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:55 AM

He waited quite a while to say anything apologetic about the “heartless” remark. I’m glad he finally tried to walk that one back, but it seems like people are cutting Perry way more slack for a truly boneheaded mistake than they are with Cain for something far less egregious.

Doughboy on October 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM

See now I see things completely the opposite but hey – that’s why we support certain candidates over others right?

gophergirl on October 4, 2011 at 9:55 AM

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Remember, if you mess up once, you’re forever a RINO.

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Yes, very much so.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:56 AM

blatantblue on October 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM

And if you deviate from my personal views on anything, you’re a RINO and will NEVER. GET. MY. VOTE.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:56 AM

I honestly don’t like any of them running.Some are better than others but I’m going to vote for whoever gets the nod even if it means I have to hold my nose to do so.The alternative is too frightening to consider…

sandee on October 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Terry: The reason I won’t support Romney is that I do not trust him to do what I think is required by the winner of the 2012 election. I fully expect if Romney gets the nomination that he’ll win in 2012… and then do nothing with the GOP majorities to taking our government and country back. And that would lead to a loss to the Democrats in 2016 and quite possibly beyond.

Perry is, at best, neutral to me. I can trust him to roll back the regulatory environment (e.g., the EPA assault), but I don’t trust him to really repeal ObamaCare, and then there’s the immigration issue.

Cain’s issues are his continuing minor gaffes and the fact that many of the Beltway set (read: the GOP) won’t want to work with him.

The political environment has become increasingly volatile in recent years. People want action, and they want it NOW. You can argue whether it’s justified, but if the GOP can’t deliver that in 2012, they’re not going to maintain their hold on government in 2014, most likely.

Scott H on October 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Seriously folks.

We’re approaching bear market territory on all the major indexes, the credit markets are freezing up again and a severe recession is all but assured. Can we focus on these issues rather than a word some redneck scrawled on a rock 40 years ago?

Mike Honcho on October 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM

The very next day, Cain backed off of this. Perry gave an explanation and he accepted it..he is not the one who is still beating this dead horse.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I’m thinking a segment on Hannity doesn’t carry quite the weight the original ABC quote did, picked up by news services everywhere as it was.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Romney is the GOP nominee. He holds debates with Obama. The media spins that Obama is the winner of all the debates and Obama will be slick – you can bet on that.TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

There is no way Obama is winning a debate against Mitt, there just not enough spin in the world.

Here is Mitt before the an editorial board in NH in a one man debate taking questions for over an hour on every topic. After he’s done Mitt looks like he could stand on stage in debate with all other candidates and Obama, then do a townhall after that he looks that strong and comfortable.

http://www.c-span.org/flvPop.aspx?src=archive/c12/c12_100311_romney.flv&msg=You+are+watching+the+C-SPAN+Networks&start=4.153&end=-1

I don’t see Perry withstanding a one man debate Q&A session like this.

sheryl on October 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM

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