Wow: Cain ties Perry for 2nd in new WaPo/ABC poll

posted at 8:45 am on October 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The question from last week’s sudden shift in momentum towards Herman Cain in the GOP presidential primary race was whether Cain could actually vie for the nomination.  After today’s poll from the Washington Post and ABC, the question may be whether anyone but Mitt Romney could stop him.  Right now, it certainly doesn’t like Rick Perry could, whose fortunes have fallen faster than they rose after two bad debates:

After a quick rise in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has experienced an almost equally dramatic decline, losing about half of his support over the past month, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Perry’s slide, which comes after several uneven performances in candidate debates, has allowed former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney to resurface atop the GOP field. But the most direct beneficiary of the disenchantment with Perry is businessman Herman Cain, who is now tied for second place.

You know who this, er, doesn’t help?  Oddly enough, Sarah Palin and Chris Christie:

Christie is feverishly assessing whether to do so, with a decision expected this week. But the Post-ABC poll finds only modest public support for a Christie candidacy. About 42 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they would like to see the New Jersey governor join the race.Thirty-four percent, say no, with the rest offering no opinion.

That finding is far more positive than the receptivity to a candidacy by Sarah Palin. Two-thirds of Republicans say they do not want the former Alaska governor to seek the party’s nomination.

There is plenty more to this poll in the GOP race, but let’s shift to Barack Obama for a moment.  The buzz over Cain’s sudden momentum will obscure the fact that Obama gets the lowest job-approval rating in the WaPo/ABC series at 42/54, which is also the highest disapproval of the series.  A month ago Obama was at 43/53, and he launched his new hard-Left populist strategy, along with a jobs bill and a deficit-reduction proposal.  Both seem to have flopped — even with a sample tilted toward Democrats at 32/25/37.

Oddly, Obama falls into virtual ties with Romney, Perry, and Christie among registered voters, but an overwhelming majority expects Obama to lose next year, 55/37. Among registered voters, 46% say they will definitely not vote for Obama next year, while only 23% say they definitely will — a slight improvement over August’s results.  Also, for all of the media talk about the collapse in polling for the Tea Party, the WaPo/ABC poll shows support at 42/47, not terribly different from its track all year long, and slightly better than April’s 42/49.

Back to the horse race.  The rankings don’t change when narrowing the respondents to registered voters, with Romney leading, Cain and Perry tied for second, and Christie in fourth place to close out those in double digits.  Palin and Ron Paul are tied among general-population respondents, followed by Newt Gingrich and then Michele Bachmann, with Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman at 1% each — which might put both out of the next debate.  The order doesn’t change at all with Palin out of the mix, or with Christie out of the mix, either.

The big news here is Herman Cain, especially among those to whom he is news.  He easily gets the best score among the contestants on the question “the more you hear about X, do you like him/her more or less?”  Cain gets at 47/12 on that question, while Romney gets a 38/35 and Perry gets a red-flag 30/44.  Christie comes close to Cain in this category at 43/23, but Palin’s closer to Perry at 35/49.

Cain appears to have caught fire, but as we saw with Perry, all that means is that the scrutiny of the media — and the other candidates — will now turn to Cain.  We’ll see how well he handles the heat, but another good debate performance might push him into the leading Not-Romney slot in the race.

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It was a story from a national newspaper, respected newspaper, and he is not expect to be an investigative journalist…get angry with WaPo, not Cain…sheesh, you guys are stretching,

Wow.

Please. You honestly think Cain isn’t aware of whose side the Washington Post is on? Of the depths they’ll stoop to to destroy a Republican?

Cain either a) blew it, or b) took advantage of a smear.

Those are the only two choices.

He’s either ridiculously naive, or he’s not the man you think he is.

capitalist piglet on October 4, 2011 at 2:01 PM

If Perry or Cain loses support over this, then the media wins and conservatives lose.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 2:01 PM

He has every right to assume a national article is factual…it’s WaPo’s fault to putting out the wrong information.
You can’t be running a campaign, and being an investigative journalist to make sure every national story is correct in every detail.
He was responding to a written report and article.
You anger should be at WaPo, but it won’t, and that is the problem.
You have been manipulated, and Cain tainted, which is what they wanted, one or the other, it doesn’t matter, because next time you will follow them again and attack the other…it is so easy for them to manipulate you, so very easy.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I agree with you. We should be defending Perry and Cain. Even Rush,who should know better, fell into a trap by saying that Cain was pandering. He wasn’t. For better or worse, Cain was says what he believes. Should he sometimes not give his honest opinion when asked. Sure. But he does. We have to take the good with the bad and hope he learns. He seems to be a quick study.

The WaPo article came out Sunday morning. Cain was on ABC at 10AM. It was unclear at the time when the rock was painted over. Cain said it was “insensitive” that whoever had control of the property hadn’t taken care of that rock until the 1980′s or the 2000′s, including the Perry family if it was applicable, if they were in charge of the property and waited. Nothing wrong with his honest opinion if the story was right.

When Cain learned it was 1981 (when the Perry’s took over), he gave the Perry family props for taking care of it. But he was not pandering. And I would agree it was insensitive in the 1970′s and 1980′s for anyone to leave it there.

He never said it was racist, he clearly said insensitive. He also said he didnt believe it reflected how Perry felt about black people. He was not simply attacking a rival or pandering. It was heartfelt. His only fault was believing the story and answering the question at all. Media trap.

Republicans better stop eating their own and defend both Perry and Cain. We are so quick to dismiss our good conservatives, as some posters here have already said. I agree.

Let’s stop jumping on minor things and start taking the person as a whole. No one is perfect. Let’s look at track records and positions and capability and honesty on issues that will make a difference in this election.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Sorry for the duplicate.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Oh, good grief, the “I hear” is in reference to the article where he received the info…sheeesh

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Reread his sentence and you will see you are wrong. And how, precisely, does one “hear” an article?

steebo77 on October 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM

YES WE CAIN 20012

I am not a racist on October 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Cain is a flash in the pan. Good man, but not presidential material. 999 is not a plan that can/will ever be implemented. This is still going to come down to Perry v. Romney. If Perry improves his debate performances and decides to aggressively take on the Washington Post (since they have decided to run another hit piece today) Cain will become a nice side story.

I predict Romney gets the nomination, picks Marco Rubio as a running mate for conservative cred and romps in Novemember 2012. At least that will put Rubio in line, and he will be able to draw contrasts in 2020 between his boss and himself so as not to be labeled as running for Romney’s third term.

Romney is not ideal, but WAY better than the current administration.

JDH on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

No way Rubio goes for VP for an establishment candidate like Romney or Perry. He is not from the establishment and would lose credability for it. He might if Cain were since Cain is not from the establishment, but why would Rubio do it? His star is rising and short of Rubio thinking that they are an automatic shoe-in to win, it could gravely hurt his career.

MikeM on October 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

If Perry or Cain loses support over this, then the media wins and conservatives lose.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 2:01 PM

LOL… they already did!

On the plus side, you are one of the few on this forum that at least acknowledges that Perry is a conservative. From the Perry bash-fest that took place over the last few weeks, forgive me from thinking that many here see him to be even more of a RINO than Romney.

Now they are getting their wishes: all the conservative candidates have been pitted against one another and Romney is calmly walking to the nomination by default.

Should Romney win, you can thank Bachmann/Santorum (Romney’s attack dogs) and now Cain (his silly comment on the ‘racist rock’ issue) for that outcome.

I will be wearing my Obama 2012 badge by then… :)

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I’m not the one who publicly failed to note Reagan’s eleventh commandment. Cain is.

Murf76 on October 4, 2011 at 9:28 AM

So which other candidate hasn’t thrown rocks at another besides Newt?

MikeM on October 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Let’s stop jumping on minor things and start taking the person as a whole. No one is perfect. Let’s look at track records and positions and capability and honesty on issues that will make a difference in this election.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Welcome to Hot Air… join the fray.

:)

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM

What Not To Do in Politics for dummies: 2011 Edition

Chapter 1: Do not insult your base.

Daemonocracy on October 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM

999 baby.

Brilliant in it’s simplicity – I hope it takes root with the public more and more.

jake-the-goose on October 4, 2011 at 8:48 AM

I think the 999 plan is naive if Cain thinks he has the proper safeguards avoid having the double tax exploited. However, nobody is having these discussions because the Post rather dwell on racist rocks.

Daemonocracy on October 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Cain is everybody’s second to Romney and Perry. That is a great position to be in when those two attack each other.

Even now the Perry bandwagon has lost a wheel after Perry debated poorly under Romney’s attacks.

Romney has his one third of GOP delegates but cannot get past his RINO flip flopper reputation for the other two thirds.

So the man with no negatives is now Cain.

Why can’t Cain win?

Cain took on Hillary Care’s mandated single payer health care and won in 1993.

What did Romney win in Massachusetts? The exact opposite.

Now that Christy has quit, there is no stopping Cain.

jimw on October 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM

TYPO ALERT TYPO ALERT

Right now, it certainly doesn’t (LOOK) like Rick Perry could, whose fortunes have fallen faster than they rose after two bad debates:

There, my work is done for the day.

fred5678 on October 4, 2011 at 2:39 PM

999 upside down is 666 — just sayin’.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

As the Brits say, “Well spotted, sir!”

Actually, it’s the only proven fact in these comments!

(And glad my mouth wasn’t full of milk at the time.)

fred5678 on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

I will be wearing my Obama 2012 badge by then… :)

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I believe you already are wearing that badge and have a new Obama 2012 bumper sticker also. :~)

IowaWoman on October 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM

I will be wearing my Obama 2012 badge by then… :)

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I believe you already are wearing that badge and have a new Obama 2012 bumper sticker also. :~)

IowaWoman on October 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM

LOL… I certainly am. I am waiting for Romney to be coronated so I can order my Obama 2012 T-shirts.

:)

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I am telling you, in a debate format, the ObamaCare is a loser for Romney, a big loser…

But more importantly, he can’t connect as he tries to explain…it’s just one of those things he can’t overcome.

right2bright

All he has to do is say it was a state’s rights issue, and almost everyone in the legislature voted for it. If it’s good enough for Perry, it’s good enough for Mitt.

In reality, it’s not that big a loser for Mitt. If anything, it becomes a wash between him and Obama.

xblade on October 4, 2011 at 3:52 PM

@ Elisa. you’re spot on. The main stream propaganda machines are working over time to try to trip up Mr. Cain. HOW dare he leave the democrat plantation and think for himself ! ” WE CANT HAVE THAT “. Its SOP for them.

ColdWarrior57 on October 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM

That finding is far more positive than the receptivity to a candidacy by Sarah Palin. Two-thirds of Republicans say they do not want the former Alaska governor to seek the party’s nomination.

OK, so if 2/3 don’t want her to run and she does run, she’ll go nowhere. Place your bets.

ddrintn on October 4, 2011 at 5:13 PM

It’ll be interesting to see Cain’s numbers in a week’s time. All his foot-in-mouth problems will catch up with him (and I expect there will be more gaffes everday since there were three such cases this last week alone).

The debates will start asking him tough questions and questions related to his gaffes now that he’s in the top tier. The MSM (and that includes FNC) won’t let Romney lose to him if they can help it.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 5:48 PM

The main stream propaganda machines are working over time to try to trip up Mr. Cain. HOW dare he leave the democrat plantation and think for himself ! ” WE CANT HAVE THAT “. Its SOP for them.

ColdWarrior57 on October 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Nonsense. Cain is tripping up all by himself. The man says what he thinks and lacks a filter. It is an admirable trait for many circumstances but it is fatal for a politician.

MJBrutus on October 4, 2011 at 5:49 PM

O/T BUT LOOK WHO ENDORSED ROMNEY- A GUY WHO FOUGHT TO ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE: Saulius Saul Anuzis almost became chairman of the RNC. Thank God we got Preibus instead. Anuzis is the former Chairman of the Michigan GOP, and I believe he is also Romney’s MI campaign manager. Anuzis is a champion of the popular vote movement- the movement to abolish the electoral college. Read this flash from the recent past, on his efforts in this regard. Abolishing the electoral college is one of the leftist’s dreams. I am not happy that he is involved with the Romney campaign, but I am also not surprised. Thanks to Preibus, this effort to pass the Popular Vote Resolution failed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/5/rnc-nixes-national-popular-vote-initiative/

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 5:52 PM

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 5:52 PM

The unmitigated gall of Mitt! Why the he11 is he allowing such a man to endorse him? He needs to get out there and say he rejects this endorsement ASAP! And Ann Coulter’s too!

/sarc

MJBrutus on October 4, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Nonsense. Cain is tripping up all by himself. The man says what he thinks and lacks a filter. It is an admirable trait for many circumstances but it is fatal for a politician.

MJBrutus on October 4, 2011 at 5:49 PM

He is NOT A POLITICIAN! if he was I wouldn’t be supporting him.
I dont yet ANOTHER politician in washington. I want the smartest SOB out there that HAS solved problems and knows how to get people to work. If you are looking the media perfect sound bite politician then you’re part of the problem. We need someone that isnt a politician in there to FIX what the professional politicians have screwed up.

ColdWarrior57 on October 4, 2011 at 7:51 PM

999 upside down is 666 — just sayin’.

notropis on October 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

lol Look at it this way. Upside down means the opposite. The opposite of the anti-Christ is SALVATION.

So 999 equals salvation? lol

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM

@ Elisa. you’re spot on. The main stream propaganda machines are working over time to try to trip up Mr. Cain. HOW dare he leave the democrat plantation and think for himself ! ” WE CANT HAVE THAT “. Its SOP for them.

ColdWarrior57 on October 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM

The only thing I fear is that for leaving the plantation Cain isn’t subject to some “hightech lynching” like Justice Thomas had. Neither men deserve such a thing. Such good men of honor, intellect and integrity.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Perry on the other hand, has the problem of being Governor in the state with the most uninsured people. That might not seem like a big deal to Republicans, but it can work against him with Independents.

Terrye on October 4, 2011 at 10:09 AM

I wonder how many people in Texas choose not to purchase Health Insurance? Young people that don’t think they need it. People that have their own Health Savings Accounts. I would think that Independants would support individual choice about health insurance coverage…to buy, not to buy.

I wonder how many of those uninsured are in Texas illegally (since the Federal government won’t do it’s job in securing our borders and enforcing the laws that are already on the books).

tmontgomery on October 4, 2011 at 10:59 PM

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