House GOP calls for special prosecutor to probe Holder on perjury allegation

posted at 2:05 pm on October 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

House Republicans aren’t buying the “dog ate my security briefings” excuse from Eric Holder.  In a letter to President Obama today, House Judiciary Chair Lamar Smith (R-TX) requested a special prosecutor to investigate the Attorney General for perjury, explaining in detail how false Holder’s May 3rd testimony that he had only recently heard of Operation Fast and Furious appears to be:

The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing on May 3. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious until about April 2011.

“I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” Holder testified.

However, a newly discovered memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation “are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center “beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010,” Smith wrote.

“These updates mentioned, not only the name of the operation, but also specific details about guns being trafficked to Mexico,” Smith wrote in the letter to Obama.

“Allegations that senior Justice Department officials may have intentionally misled members of Congress are extremely troubling and must be addressed by an independent and objective special counsel. I urge you to appoint a special counsel who will investigate these allegations as soon as possible,” Smith wrote.

Allahpundit wrote last night about the pushback at Justice, saying that Holder doesn’t read all of his briefings as a defense to perjury.  If that’s true, we’d have to believe that the ATF deliberately sent thousands of guns over the border into the hands of drug cartels and gangs, and Holder was so disinterested in the project that he didn’t bother to pick up even one memo on the subject.  Congress might have grounds to impeach him for incompetence on that score alone, if the White House refuses the call for a special prosecutor.

Speaking of incompetence … why is Holder even still part of this administration?  He bungled the project to move terrorist trials to federal court rather than military commissions, having to endure the humiliation of the White House overruling him after bipartisan opposition erupted to trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan.  Regardless of whether Holder committed perjury, the death of a Border Patrol agent and the exposure of the administration’s political machinations of F&F have created a huge PR problem for Obama and his administration.  Holder should have gotten the boot months ago, perhaps even longer than that.

Now Obama has to decide whether to defy Congress and create a precedent for protecting appointees who willfully mislead Congress, or submit to a special prosecutor that could run wild on his administration.  I’m going to guess that Obama will defy the House, but that may not last very long, especially with Darrell Issa probing Solyndra and other potential scandals

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OK. I thought his name is Patrick Fitzgerald, not Gerald Fitzpatrick. My bad.

Christien on October 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM

This administration is currently on a course like the Edmund Fitzgerald.

ted c on October 4, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Christien on October 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM

????

His name is Patrick J. Fitzgerald.

INC on October 4, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Wethal just commented. She’s an attorney.

Wethal, what’s the law re: special prosecutor?

INC on October 4, 2011 at 2:55 PM

INC on October 4, 2011 at 2:53 PM

I know. You accidentally called him Fitzpatrick in one of your posts. I was just ribbing you, because another poster said Scooter Liddy and Valerie Plume.

Christien on October 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Reload & keep firing at ALL the scumbags.

ornery_independent on October 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

steebo77 on October 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM

The fact that they are screaming, cursing and yelling, only proves this womans reporting is dead on. Tell tale signs of desperation are showing.

capejasmine on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Wethal just commented. She’s an attorney.

Wethal, what’s the law re: special prosecutor?

INC on October 4, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Sorry, that’s one area of law with which I’m not familiar.

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

“I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” Holder testified. Optimum being ‘heard about’, now ask him when he read about or formulated the plan for F & F. Remember when Clinton told us it depends on what the meaning of is is. You have to be very specific when you ask a lawyer a question.

Kissmygrits on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

I want to see Janet Napolitano’s naked carcus turning on a spit in the rotunda of the Capitol, while smelly tourists wait in line with paper plates and little plastic containers of BBQ sauce.

ardenenoch on October 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM

The fact that they are screaming, cursing and yelling, only proves this womans reporting is dead on. Tell tale signs of desperation are showing.

capejasmine on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Moreover, it totally shows how in the tank the rest of the media are for the WH and how they are expected to behave in order to get their daily head pat for being a good stenographer.

ted c on October 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM

The law has been amended since the Plame investigation. The AG has the power to appoint a Special Prosecutor, who is then theoretically independent.

As if Holder would appoint anyone to prosecute himself.

Issa is running the House Oversight and Reform Committee. He has stated he would prefer to wait until his committee wraps up its work before seeking the appointment of a SP, because the instant one is appointed, everyone involved will use it as a reason to refuse any further cooperation with his committee.

novaculus on October 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Probably a good idea for Issa. He could continue to subpoena Holder’s underlings to get testimony on Fast and Furious, to put more pressure on Holder. If the pressure gets too strong, Holder might resign, or Obama might throw him under the bus. If not, Issa’s committee might recommend to the full House to have Holder impeached.

Steve Z on October 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM

IMHO, Holder really didn’t remember anything about F&F when he testified before Congress. And that itself is a big problem.

WarEagle01 on October 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM

What Holder wants everyone to believe is one of several things:

1. He didn’t know anything about allowing thousands of weapons into the hands of violent Mexican drug gangs.

2. Someone at a lower level than the AG approved of the plan.

3. When it was presented in a briefing memo, he didn’t give it a second thought.

4. A BP agent, who works for Holder, was killed by one of these guns and that does not warrant further investigation.

5. He has a tough time understanding questions and gives confused answers.

None of these pass the smell test. And they all stink to high heaven.

BobMbx on October 4, 2011 at 3:01 PM

I urge you to appoint a special counsel who will investigate these allegations as soon as possible,” Smith wrote.

I hope Smith isn’t holding his breath while waiting.

Barry has no problem throwing someone under the bus when it becomes inconvenient to have them around. Unfortunately for Barry, Fast and Furious is going to end up costing someone some jail time, especially if the Mexican government has any say in it. Does Barry want to start a stampede to testify about who knew what and when?

Talk about being between and rock and hard place.

GarandFan on October 4, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Osama Obama will do whatever he thinks gives him the most benefit. If that includes obstruction of justice, perjury and a disdain for the Constitution, what’s new? That’s the SCoaMF’s stock-in-trade, and that won’t change until people stop giving him any benefit of the doubt.

Looking at our “pundits” and their wimpy mewlings about this, I’d say he has until at 2016 to bury this.

MrScribbler on October 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM

“CITIZENS ARREST, CITIZENS ARREST!” – Barney Fife

BacaDog on October 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Talk about being between and rock and hard place.

GarandFan on October 4, 2011 at 3:01 PM

did you see what was painted on that rock?
/msm

ted c on October 4, 2011 at 3:04 PM

I’m waiting for Mexico to lodge an official protest and request the extradition of Holder to Mexico for trial.

fred5678 on October 4, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Steve Z on October 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Steve, I need to correct myself. The prior law which called for appointment of a Special Prosecutor by a panel of DC circuit appellate judges was allowed to lapse. In its place we now have 28 CFR 600. If the AG recuses himself, the Deputy AG appoints an independent counsel. That is how Fitzgerald was appointed, after Ashcroft recused himself.

You can see how that wouldn’t accomplish much in this situation, except provide an excuse for not cooperating with a congressional investigation.

novaculus on October 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Three words of advise for Holder:

Fort Marcy Park

GrannyDee on October 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM

“But there’s that rock out in Texas…!” – MSM

/

Seven Percent Solution on October 4, 2011 at 3:11 PM

I’m waiting for Mexico to lodge an official protest and request the extradition of Holder to Mexico for trial.

fred5678 on October 4, 2011 at 3:07 PM

*pfffft*

Nothing that the printing and of a few billion fresh new $100 bills won’t fix by way of a loan that expects no repayment.

Midas on October 4, 2011 at 3:12 PM

GrannyDee on October 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM

advise s/b advice

duh

GrannyDee on October 4, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Lamar Smith is my congressman. Git’m, Lamar!

juliesa on October 4, 2011 at 3:13 PM

IMHO, Holder really didn’t remember anything about F&F when he testified before Congress. And that itself is a big problem.

WarEagle01 on October 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Ok, fair enough. I think he lied deliberately. He was and is part of the plan to let the guns go to Mexico.

dogsoldier on October 4, 2011 at 3:15 PM

So they will probably pick somebody like Cadillac Deval Patrick as special prosecutor. It only took him 3 tries to finally pass the bar exam!

shanimal on October 4, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Christien on October 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

:) Whoops! I hadn’t realized that.

I grew up & was friends with a Fitzpatrick–I have to consciously remember to type in Fitzgerald. I blew that one!

Wethal on October 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Thanks!

INC on October 4, 2011 at 3:30 PM

What did La Raza have to say about all of this? Think this is a “break a few eggs” moment for them? Otherwise, how could they possibly support an administration that allowed guns to flow to Mexican criminal enterprises, knowing they’d not only lose track of them until they showed up abandoned at a crime scene, but also that they’d be used to kill Mexican nationals?

BKeyser on October 4, 2011 at 3:31 PM

“I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” Holder testified.

“I said I probably heard about it over the last few weeks. ‘Probably’ indicates a lack of certainty . . . When I qualified my answer with the term ‘probably,’ I was clearly indicating that I was not certain about the date. Plus, when I used the term ‘last few weeks,’ I meant anywhere from two to 52 weeks, somewhere in that range. No one asked me how I define the word “few” . . . I typically define it very expansively, and that it how I was using the term in my testimony,” Holder explained.

AZCoyote on October 4, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Good god, man. WTF did they think the Mexican gangs were going to do with the weapons? There was only one reason for gangs to have those guns, and that is to kill people. NO OTHER REASON. Therefore, the Obama administration is complicit in the murders of untold persons.

Depraved indifference. This is criminal.

BobMbx on October 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

No, I disagree. The initial reason stated, pre-Obama, was to track the flow of arms from Mexican cartels into the United States.

Like many other things that Obama found when he walked into the White House, he took it and turned it into a malicious weapon.

Always want to make the best of a crisis, you know. If those weapons could be allowed to walk into Mexico, then back across the border and used to in the commission of crimes, then the administration would have the necessary crisis to demand further erosion to the Second Amendment.

Remember that these are anti-Constitutional Marxists we are talking about that have openly stated that they wish a fundamental transformation of the United States. Further, that they have openly spoken of a desire for more restrictive gun legislation and were quite vocal in their opposition to the Supreme Court decision (the name of which escapes me and I’m not going to look it up).

Perjury is the least of the offenses here but it may be the slippery slope required to get people to spill the beans.

In my opinion, there is nothing short of treason going on here.

turfmann on October 4, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Get back to me when they start impeachment proceedings.

tencole on October 4, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Obama is in a bind with the pardon power.

If he does pardon Holder then there is no reason for him to take the 5th in front of Congress or to a SP.

And if Holder is called to testify and DOES take the 5th after a pardon, that indicates something ELSE that was going on that wasn’t covered by the pardon.

This is one of those cases where he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t… he can drag things out by not pardoning Holder and then waiting until after the election to do so… but a SP doesn’t stop just because of little things like elections. The moment Obama becomes regular citizen Obama, then he has a real problem with the SP.

The WH will stall, roadblock and do anything it can to stop a SP… and then get a hack appointed… but remember the DEPUTY AG had to know about this TOO. How far down the chain do you have to go until you get someone who isn’t in on it? When you consider the extent of operations from: TX, AZ, NM, FL, IN… why you are covering so many offices and fields inside the DoJ that it will be hard to find anyone not involved. Maybe someone covering the AK or HI offices?

Is Obama going to pardon the entire DoJ/ATF/DEA, plus DHS and DoS?

Yes, there is gridlock coming to DoJ where everyone will be under suspicion and the first to turn on the rest will bring the entire group in. And no pardon is going to stop that.

ajacksonian on October 4, 2011 at 3:45 PM

During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/guns/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-gun-control-under-radar#ixzz1ZqOntCIC

fossten on October 4, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Holder thought that the guns were going to the New Black Panthers. Understandable mistake, since he reads his memos real fast.

Hening on October 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I am wondering why the GOP leadership isn’t on the steps of the Capitol screaming about the “cesspool of corruption” in this administration, and listing all of these scandals in a way that will make them stick in voters’ minds. That is what Granny McBotox and Reid would be doing if the roles were reversed. It’s time for the Republicans to get on the same page with “thrown the corrupt bums out!”

Rational Thought on October 4, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Forget Fitzgerald, he’s f’n useless, unless you want someone to cover up connections between Blago and Rezko and little Bammie. He’s real good at that.

slickwillie2001 on October 4, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Good god, man. WTF did they think the Mexican gangs were going to do with the weapons? There was only one reason for gangs to have those guns, and that is to kill people.

BobMbx on October 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Exactly. I’ve heard the “official” (low level) concession that this was a botched operation. I’d like to hear the explanation of what the intended result was expected to be. How were these guns to become identified and relevant, once they walked, unless there was a crime scene? It’s not like tracing marked bills or narcotics for chrissake. How was the U.S. government not conspiring to facilitate armed violence? (LTC North, your Iran/Contra plan was needlessly complex.)

Barnestormer on October 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM

GrannyDee on October 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Works for me, LoL

Eren on October 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM

This administration is currently on a course like the Edmund Fitzgerald.

ted c on October 4, 2011 at 2:54 PM


The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
and a wave broke over the railing.
And ev’ry man knew, as the captain did too
’twas the witch of November come stealin’.
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
when the Gales of November came slashin’.
When afternoon came it was freezin’ rain
in the face of a hurricane west wind.

When suppertime came the old cook came on deck sayin’.
“Fellas, it’s too rough t’feed ya.”
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in; he said,
“Fellas, it’s bin good t’know ya!”
The captain wired in he had water comin’ in
and the good ship and crew was in peril.
And later that night when ‘is lights went outta sight
came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Let’s hope this Oboobi can’t outrun the mess they created. I’d settle to see every willing/knowing participant spend time in Jail, wearing pink undies, for the cold-blooded murder of hundreds.

AH_C on October 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Is gross incompetence and ignorance of one’s job a defense?

Works for Obama.

Basilsbest on October 4, 2011 at 4:10 PM

ajacksonian on October 4, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Well said. the problem with this crowd, they believe in the primacy of their cause and will continue to do so by any means necessary. Only the relentless light of truth will turn them out, unfortunately, the MSM as a whole is shirking their creed. Fortunately for us, we really don’t need the MSM anymore.

AH_C on October 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Here she comes…walking down the street…

Its ‘Cuda time!

BobMbx on October 4, 2011 at 4:21 PM

The next 3 a.m. phone call that Obama receives will be from B.J. Clinton:

Clinton: Hey Buddy, hear you’re having some issues with somebody on your staff?

Obama: Yeah, this Fast and Furious thing is getting way out of control…and it looks like my A.G. is the guy the Republicans are going to take down, and try to link to me.

Clinton: You know, I had my share of scandals too…not as bad as yours of course, but bad enough to get all sorts of legal proceedings and whatnot going.

Obama: How did you deal with the?

Clinton: Wellllll, anyone who I thought might be a little too free with information that could land me into a lot a trouble came down with something that prevented them from being too loose in the lips, if you get my drift.

Obama: What’d they “come down” with?

Clinton: A terminal case of death. Jus’ sayin’, sport. If’n you need to find me, you know where I am. Sleep tight now.

**click**

Left Coast Right Mind on October 4, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Off to jail with him and impeachment for Obama.

For some reason I believe that Chicago politics will rule the day. A jury will be threatened. Witnesses will disappear. And people will be thrown under the Hopey-Changey bus.

csdeven on October 4, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I’m sure Holder will wriggle off the hook somehow. I expect we’ll be seeing a resignation within the next few days.

TonyR on October 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

prepare to open the third envelope.

ted c on October 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

I’m sure Holder will wriggle off the hook somehow. I expect we’ll be seeing a resignation within the next few days.

TonyR on October 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Holder and Zero are in a no win situation now. They are even losing their left wing, state run media.

The press sharks smell Pulitzer in the water.

dogsoldier on October 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Herr EriKKK von Holder saw nothing, he heard nothing, he knows nothing. He was not there. He did not even get up any morning since January, 2009.

OberfeldwebelSchultz on October 4, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Ignorance seems to work as an excuse for most of this Administration…from the top down. “Joe Biden: Van Jones, who?”

Frankly, while I do not expect much to come of this, in a reasonable world, in a country twhich adhered to its Constitution and followed the rule of law, Holder would have already been indicted, along with other sundry characters, and much of this Obama Administration would be paying huge legal fees trying to weasel their way out of one criminal indictment after another from what we’ve witnessed just in the past two and a half years.

But, since Obama is a “historic” president and all that…

crickets.

coldwarrior on October 4, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Is this only time people can remember when liberals thought a gun, in and of itself, wasn’t evil incarnate? I mean after all did they think once they walked into Mexico they would morph into harmless objects that might not endanger children and little old ladies? Whatever happened to the “Guns Kill People” thinking on the gun control nuts? Or is only “Guns in the hands of Republicans Kill People”?

txmomof6 on October 4, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Issa: “Mr. Holder, here we are again. I want to remind you… You are under oath. Two part questions… First, when was the first time you were informed about Operation Fast and Furious? Second, what specifically were you aware about the Operation?”

Holder:
“What is the date today?
I may have been sent the e-mail, but I didn’t read it.
The memo was shredded before I could read it.
No one told me.
My dog ate the memo.
My dog ate the e-mail.
I accidentally threw it into the garbage.
I accidentally deleted it.
Have you tried to understand anything while you’re stoned?
Well, since the guns were going to Latinos, I didn’t care.
Did you know the CIA from selling cocaine in inner cities in the 1970s.
Black Panthers? What Black Panthers?
What about BOOOOOSSHHH?
Do you know you’re racist?”

Issa:
“Okay Mr. Holder. Let’s try this again. Before you answer, I want you to know that this committee has evidence that I will present after you respond that further clarifies both answers. So, were going to give you another chance… What specifically did you know about Operation Fast and Furious, and when did you first know about it? Remember, you are under oath, so I would kindly remind you that if you continue to lie, we will pursue charges of perjury…”

Holder:
“You know I love you baby.
It wasn’t my fault.
No I didn’t.
Honest… I ran out of gas!
I–I had a flat tire!
I didn’t have enough money for cab fare!
My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners!
An old friend came in from out of town!
Someone stole my car!
There was an earthquake!
A terrible flood!
Locusts!
IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!”

Issa: sigh “Mr. Holder…”

Holder: “What was the question, again? (under his voice) Racists!

Issa: “Mr. Holder, the microphone is still on…”

Either way, Holder still looks either incompetent, ignorant, or stupid. That is, unless a state tries to enforce immigration law.

Holder lied, a bunch of Mexicans (& several border patrol agents) died. [h/t lonestar1]

Danny on October 4, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Holder, and almost certainly Obama, is clearly guilty of hundreds of counts of felony murder. They should both be extradited to Mexico to stand trial.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 4, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Scooter Libby was imprisoned under the same conditions. Why can’t the GOP see that and call a spade a spade.

Holder lied. Period.

madmonkphotog on October 4, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Star counting down the hours until a media outlet uses the term “witch hunt”.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 4, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Issa is running the House Oversight and Reform Committee. He has stated he would prefer to wait until his committee wraps up its work before seeking the appointment of a SP, because the instant one is appointed, everyone involved will use it as a reason to refuse any further cooperation with his committee.

novaculus on October 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Considering what you posted, if Issa is not ready to call a SP, then is this: In a letter to President Obama today, House Judiciary Chair Lamar Smith (R-TX) requested a special prosecutor to investigate the Attorney General for perjury…….interference?

Is this giving Holder an out in that it stops Issa’s investigation?

Not familiar with the workings of these things, but I just don’t have a good vibe on this action by the House member.

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Did holder commit perjury? Seriously? Like that is a question at this point. Duh!!!

Holder and his ilk are no different than any other flavor of radical, lying is part of the ideologue’s modus operandi. I suppose the next question is if Obama lies…

ClanDerson on October 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Let’s all remember the clinton administration for a moment shall we?

We all saw that bunch get away with 100 times that which a republican could even be suggested of being guilty of. And they did get away with it, make no mistake.

Do you think no one else was watching? These thugs knew what they were doing when they launched this operation. They knew the whole thing could blow up in their faces. Yet they did it anyway. Why?

Because they knew they would get away with it.

They knew no matter what evidence was unearthed, no matter how serious the allegations, no matter how completely they could be proven, they would never be held responsible for any of it.

This is why an assault on the 2nd amendment is all the explanation we need here. All they wanted to do was disarm the American people because that is the only thing left in their way. An armed citizenry may actually try to protect the rights these people NEEDED to take away in order to save us from ourselves.

They started accusing Americans of supplying guns to mexican gangs as soon as they had the bully pulpit, and it was all of them. They made up the statistics knowing full well this operation would prove them correct. The worst that could happen was exposure, but again they weren’t worried about it.

In my opinion, they still have no reason to be concerned. holder won’t be impeached because the republicans don’t want the political damage they know the press will inflict on them, and that damage is unavoidable no matter how well they present their case. This will go nowhere because no one will care once they’re told not to.

runawayyyy on October 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM

“CITIZENS ARREST, CITIZENS ARREST!” – Barney Fife

BacaDog on October 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Sorry, it was Gomer Pyle

Mr. Grump on October 5, 2011 at 7:31 AM

Speaking of incompetence … why is Holder even still part of this administration?

We all know why.

Jim Treacher on October 5, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Carlos Slim is the richest man in the world. He is a Mexican and he owns a large share of the New York Times. I wonder what he thinks about this.

xrayiiis on October 5, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I buy into Issa’s arguement that Congrewss should hold off on a SP until they really get the goods on these mutts. Appointing one now would erase any incentive for anyone to open their mouth and would spell the quick end of any worthwile investigation.

Mr. Grump on October 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM

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