No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats

posted at 9:21 pm on October 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

Worth posting for two reasons. One: It contains one of the most surreal quotes you’ll ever read in a political story. Two: It helps answer a question I’ve had since WaPo’s story broke on Saturday night. Namely, how’d Perry manage 10 years as governor of Texas without the story about his family’s hunting camp coming out?

The apparent answer: Few people back home seriously believe he’s a racist, including the opposition, so maybe no one thought it mattered.

Even some of Perry’s fiercest Texas critics say they do not believe he is racist. They point to his record of appointments as evidence: He appointed the state’s first African-American state supreme court justice, Wallace Jefferson, and later made him chief justice. (Jefferson’s great grandfather was a slave, “sold like a horse,” Perry once said with disgust.) Perry’s former general counsel and former chief of staff, Brian Newby, is black; so is Albert Hawkins, the former Health and Human Services Commissioner who Perry handpicked to lead the massive agency in 2002.

“He doesn’t have a racist bone in his body,” said former Democratic state Rep. Ron Wilson, who is black and served with Perry in his early years in the Legislature. “He didn’t then, and he doesn’t now.”

Added Dallas Democratic Sen. Royce West, who is also black: “I don’t agree with him on policy issues, but you can point to many things he has done that were sensitive to ethnic minorities.”…

“He appointed a black man chief justice of the state Supreme Court, for crying out loud, one of the many high-profile positions he’s given to minorities during his time as governor,” Jason Stanford, a Democratic opposition researcher and author of an upcoming book on Perry, wrote in a weekend blog post. “… If he were an n-bomb dropping cracker, we’d all know.”

He’s appointed more minorities to statewide positions than any governor in Texas history. See also this NYT story quoting two of his friends, one of whom is black, on their trips to the hunting camp with Perry. They never saw the rock with the slur on it and never heard Perry refer to it by that name. Even if you believe, against the evidence, that Perry is so marinated in the legacy of southern racism that he might be inured to a name like “Niggerhead,” would he really be so inured to it as to invite a black friend to hunt there with him with the sign intact? And if you believe he’s as callous as that, where are the other examples of that callousness over the years? We’re in the strange position here of being asked to believe that Perry’s completely tone deaf on matters of race when he goes hunting yet sufficiently attuned to tone everywhere else that black members of the other party feel obliged to come to his aid.

Dave Weigel has a theory on what this is all about:

This brings us back to a frustrating quandary for white Southern Republicans. When Haley Barbour was thinking about running for president, several Republican strategists told me that Barbour had an inherent problem making the case against Barack Obama. It was not that he was racist — no one thought that. It was two things. One: Growing up in the segregated South, but not personally seeing the effect of white racism on blacks, he had a tin ear for things that could be considered racially offensive. Two: More primally, there was a certain awkwardness in the idea of a drawling white Southerner unseating the first black president. Republicans know that many voters were spurred to vote for Obama because his election would, somehow, baptise them clean of racism. These voters had mostly given up on Obama. Give them a stark choice between The First Black President and a good old boy, though, and what would they do? It was a risk.

Right. Barbour looked and sounded like the sort of guy who tormented blacks for centuries in the south, which is viciously unfair to Barbour but remains a political fact of life. Some undecideds, as Weigel suggests, might decide to vote for O over that “sort of guy” to send a message about racial progress. Perry looks and sounds like that “sort of guy” too even though, according to those who’ve known and worked with him for years, he very much isn’t. But this is how narratives are made: If you’ve got a candidate who looks the part, do what you can to make him play the part and low-information voters will draw a conclusion about his character. As Bryan Preston says, “The Post knows all too well how this game is played. The original story will get major play, and while the follow up and its own climbdown will attract less attention, a lot of dust gets stirred up and most of it ends up on the Post’s target, in this case, Perry. What’s left in the mind of those who don’t follow the facts is that Perry is somehow associated with racism.” Exactly. And even if you do follow the facts, you’re left with the electability point that Weigel raises. Even if you know Perry’s not a racist, will undecideds realize it?

Speaking of electability, Romney told Sean Hannity this afternoon that the name of Perry’s hunting camp is “offensive.” Certainly true, but I’m not sure Mitt wants to push too hard on this point. See Greg Pollowitz for why.

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No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats

He’s never at the meetings.

BDavis on October 3, 2011 at 10:00 PM

thread winner.

kringeesmom on October 3, 2011 at 10:05 PM

The last decent GOP primary contender a few elections back had a budget of around $100,000 & he got over a third of the GOP vote. To make it worse TX-14 only gets Lyndon Larouche nutters who run as Democrats.

batterup on October 3, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Well if Paul lost his own district maybe we would hear less from the Paulbots. I wouldn’t count on it though. Whatever they might be, they are certainly persistant.

sharrukin on October 3, 2011 at 10:05 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 3, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Of course, you’re right.

SlaveDog on October 3, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Romney told Sean Hannity this afternoon that the name of Perry’s hunting camp is “offensive.”

It’s not “Perry’s hunting camp.”

I won’t vote for this man. If he had indeed been located in the days after Gabriel Gifford’s shooting, he would have indeed told Sarah Palin to stop.

Marcus on October 3, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Marcus on October 3, 2011 at 10:06 PM

agree…he’s done…

cmsinaz on October 3, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Btw,this Rick Perry Hunting camp gateway ordeal,
now gives the Obama Administration,

an excuse to go all out,play’n de Race Card!!

They(the Left) will now use this as “Justification”!

But,as if they need any excuse!!

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Probably so, but they would use the Race Card anyway, it’s in their genes:-)
My opinion is that if Cain had not jumped on the Wash Po bandwagon, this issue would have died.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I think the important question is whether or not the rock had it’s Gardasil shot?

kringeesmom on October 3, 2011 at 9:54 PM

How do we know if that rock is a chip off the old boulder that snuck across the border, then the rock attended a Texas HS as mandated by the US Govt and then got into UT with instate tuition rates?

batterup on October 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Well if Paul lost his own district maybe we would hear less from the Paulbots. I wouldn’t count on it though. Whatever they might be, they are certainly persistant.

sharrukin on October 3, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Actually…he is kind of losing his district. TX 14 will still be conservative-but in a sane way. Due to the redistricting Paul knows that he’s gonna get a primary challenge…and lose- THAT is why he’s retiring in 2012.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Yeah. It figures that a Texas Dem has more integrity than azzholes who call themselves conservative while gleefully accepting Wapo as a credible source, and playing the race card. Does anybody truly think Perry is racist after he has hurt himself so badly defending illegals?(Aside from Jenfidal)

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Herman Cain: I’m ‘Not Playing The Race Card’

Spathi on October 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Spathi:Heres why Cain has been called Racist and Bigoted!
Where Wolf Blitzer,asks the question,

Herman Cain was recently asked by Wolf Blitzer why there aren’t more African Americans in the Republican Party.

Herman Cain responded that he believed many “black folks have been brainwashed”. Cenk Uygur breaks down these ridiculous comments by Herman Cain.
================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KkVw-tFj8

*(my first and last Young Turks linky)

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 10:10 PM

This could backfire, I’m very sympathetic to Gov. Perry about this.

Cindy Munford on October 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 9:55 PM
===============
spot on canopfor…big time

cmsinaz on October 3, 2011 at 9:58 PM

cmsinaz:As Betty Davis said,”Buckle Up,Its Gonna Be a H*llevu Ride”
!:)

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Speaking of narratives Perry doesn’t have the competence to counter, how easily is Obama going to make another Texas Governor committed to “compassionate” conservatism a-la immigration going to make him sound like the 3rd Bush term?

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Every GOP candidate will face some sort of hit and run racism charge. Better get used to it.

Wait till it’s Romney’s turn. “Mormons don’t like black people” or “Where’s the black mormons?”. It’s a 2fer.

You know it’s coming.

Hopefully, enough of the voting public will get fed up.

I really don’t like depending on hope.

SlaveDog on October 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Actually…he is kind of losing his district. TX 14 will still be conservative-but in a sane way. Due to the redistricting Paul knows that he’s gonna get a primary challenge…and lose- THAT is why he’s retiring in 2012.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM

There is a God and he loves me!

sharrukin on October 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Probably so, but they would use the Race Card anyway, it’s in their genes:-)
My opinion is that if Cain had not jumped on the Wash Po bandwagon, this issue would have died.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM

bluefox:Born(genes)with-in,yup!:)

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM

The main stream media says its true, so its true.
/crr6

Khun Joe on October 3, 2011 at 10:16 PM

So now Romney is piling on and being his scumbag self.

What I would like to know is where the hell is Rick Perry in all this? He should come out hard against the Washington Post and start using the word “Slander” with all its legal implications. He should publicly demand conservatives and Republicans rally behind him as these Texas Democrats have done. At the very least this would rally the base, but his campaign continues to look impotent.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Jenfidal)

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:10 PM

If you say her name 3 times she shows up like Beetlejuice.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on October 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM

If Rick Perry doesn’t want to look like a fool, he’ll shout “Libel” not “Slander.”

I refuse to watch any “analysis” by Cenk Uyger or any of his Young Che Buddies.

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM

What I would like to know is where the hell is Rick Perry in all this? He should come out hard against the Washington Post and start using the word “Slander” with all its legal implications. He should publicly demand conservatives and Republicans rally behind him as these Texas Democrats have done. At the very least this would rally the base, but his campaign continues to look impotent.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Good question. His campaign issued a statement yesterday, but today…………Crickets. I thought for sure Perry would come out swinging on this one. Evidently I was wrong.

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Shhhh then.

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM

If Rick Perry doesn’t want to look like a fool, he’ll shout “Libel” not “Slander.”

I refuse to watch any “analysis” by Cenk Uyger or any of his Young Che Buddies.

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM

You’re right, libel would be the would, but slander resonates better.

Thanks for indirectly calling me a fool. ;)

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Dear Mitt Romney: Blacks couldn’t be Mormon priests until 1978 and you find @GovernorPerry’s rock offensive?

Bwahahahalmfaobwahaha. Was Mittens a Grand Dragon in the church???????

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:27 PM

would

word*

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:27 PM

azzholes who call themselves conservative while gleefully accepting Wapo as a credible source, and playing the race card.

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Dude. Get off Cain. He didn’t give a great answer but didn’t give a terrible one either. He wants to keep some black voters. He has to condemn use of that word. There is still racism in the South, exemplified by the fact that everybody still apparently called this hunting camp by that name. Cain shouldn’t have accepted his questioner’s (false) premise that Perry left the name up there, but that’s really not a big deal. Perry comes out of this just fine. He needs Cain supporters. Bashing Cain for a relatively minor error is really freaking stupid.

alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

So if someone rents a home, where the previous renters were KKK and regularly held meetings there, does that make the new renter racist, and a member of the KKK?

This entire thing is absurd. I still like Cain, but I’m angry as hell about this. I’ve said very little about it, but it angers me. I’m sick and tired of this term racist being thrown about so lightly. Racism is a serious issue. On all sides. It doesn’t matter the color of the skin. It matters what’s inside. The character. King was right. It’s just a true shame that so many have distorted his words, and use him to prop up what they want, but don’t truly believe it, if they can hurl racism at people to get what they want.

Truly sad, and disgusting!!!

capejasmine on October 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Anyone who knows anything about Perry knows he is not racist in any way, shape or form. I find Cain and Romney both offensive for their comments and Hannity for allowing it to continue. Wouldn’t give you two cents for Fox News anymore.

With both Cain and Romney piling on, you can bet that it came from Rove to the WP just like he has leaked on other things to the same people. He doesn’t care if it is the truth. Rove never did in Texas when he tried to tank Perry, so why would he change his spots. He is losing his touch as more people are figuring it out since Cain came out and said he would never support Perry and supported Romney in 2008.

Being on the same page as Al Sharpton and even have the Texas Dems against you doesn’t speak well for Cain or Romney. Neither have the core Republican conservative values to be President. It is more obvious by the day that Romney will lie, cheat, or steal to win the nomination and Cain will help in anyway he can.

PhiKapMom on October 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM

“… If he were an n-bomb dropping cracker, we’d all know. – Jason Stanford, a Democratic opposition researcher and author of an upcoming book on Perry”

If Mr. Stanford would agree to 5 minutes alone with one I’ll bet he wouldn’t use the ‘c-bomb’ to refer to a southern person-of-no-color again.

Knott Buyinit on October 3, 2011 at 10:46 PM

alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

(1) I was referring to folks like Jenfidal and right2bright who gleefully bought in because it fit their narrative.

(2)Do not make excuses or give half-quotes for Cain. The correct response would have been that yes, the name is very offensive, but I will withhold comment until all the facts are known. He asserted that Perry knew about the rock and took no action for a very long time. No whitewashing this.

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:47 PM

. He wants to keep some black voters.
alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

I think he won over many black voters yesterday.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM

With both Cain and Romney piling on, you can bet that it came from Rove to the WP just like he has leaked on other things to the same people. He doesn’t care if it is the truth. Rove never did in Texas when he tried to tank Perry, so why would he change his spots. He is losing his touch as more people are figuring it out since Cain came out and said he would never support Perry and supported Romney in 2008.

I don’t know what Romney said, but Cain has since picked up on this and, in unfavorable primary enemy language “walked it back” anyway – literally the day after. If Romney is just piling on now then its just more proof that Romney is always a day late and a dollar short on his convictions.

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM

It also shows Mittens leaving the safe confines of waiting until the outcome is determined before popping off.

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM

No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats

As LBJ is rumored to have said:
“I know it’s not true, but I want to hear him deny it!”

whatcat on October 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Speaking of electability, Romney told Sean Hannity this afternoon that the name of Perry’s hunting camp is “offensive.”

Character – Mitt doesn’t have it. He should have disparaged more race-baiting foolishness by the media.

I wasn’t disappointed in his performance on Hannity, though, becauase I didn’t expect better from him.

disa on October 3, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Byrd = Hood, Robe, Card, Letters

Perry = a rock

BobMbx on October 3, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Pardon me folks, I can’t stand it any more:

DAMMIT JIM, IT’S A ROCK! A FREAKIN’ ROCK!

Sekhmet on October 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM

I don’t think our outraged crowd is listening, but thank you!
This is getting as stupid as the 9 hour shrieking about Ed’s dead cat picture.
It was like PETA over ran the joint.
ROCK,PEOPLE. A ROCK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

katy the mean old lady on October 3, 2011 at 11:25 PM

I’ve known the man for half our lives, and while we’ve joked and jacked around about a lot of stuff, never once was there even a hint of racism in him. On the contrary, like most Texans of our generation, we don’t give a shit about where you came from or what color you are — just whether you love independence and are willing to fight for it.

Those guys at the Alamo and at the Battle of San Jacinto, where we won our freedom in 1836, no thanks to the United States of America, by the way, were not all lilly white crackers. There were blacks and browns who gave their lives in those conflicts, too, in the common cause of freedom against tyranny.

It angers me that anyone would charge the Rick Perry I know with such crap. Go after him on illegals’ college tuition, on the Gardisil deal, on anything you want, but save the N—–head thing for the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton to demagogue.

TXUS on October 3, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Truly sad, and disgusting!!!

capejasmine on October 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM

That is the heart of the matter, character. If one has Integrity, then it will reveal itself in their life, including politics. Without it, that is revealed also. Without integrity, you see the end justifies the means in many of these Candidates.

The debates and the statements of the various Candidates reveal a lack of integrity so their motives are questionable. Is it greed and power or a mind set that they have enough money to win or somehow deserve it?

I’m just watching and listening…..

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Bashing Cain for a relatively minor error is really freaking stupid.

alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Cain should not have jumped on the Wash Po bandwagon smear. That was his mistake. He’s made a few others and he needs to clarify and apologize.

1. He said he would not support the Republican Nominee if it was Gov. Perry.
2. He said that he should have supported the gay soldier that was booed(not)in the debate.
3. Insinuating that Gov. Perry was insensative about this rock on hunting property that wasn’t even owned by the Gov.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Rick Perry was the first one to use the Race Card. It is only fair that it be used on him.

I’ll give him the same benefit of the doubt that he gave me.

I say he is heartless for not getting rid of that sign. And did he invite people their according to their last names?

Live by the race card, die by the race card.

petunia on October 3, 2011 at 11:45 PM

This is blowing up in the Left’s face already. They’ll be sorry they ever made it an issue.

For TX DEMS to defend Perry is proof that the MSM went too far.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 3, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Dude. Get off Cain. He didn’t give a great answer but didn’t give a terrible one either. He wants to keep some black voters. He has to condemn use of that word. There is still racism in the South, exemplified by the fact that everybody still apparently called this hunting camp by that name. …………

alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

I’m here to tell anyone and everyone that there is little racism in the South. We’ve had it absolutely and totally beaten out of us. I have encountered far more racism in the Northeast, Canada, and Far West than I ever have growing up in Texas. Everywhere that liberals live where they choose not to interact with blacks because there are either 1) few blacks in those areas (most Northern states outside of the big cities), or 2) liberals are rich and don’t associate with blacks or Hispanics because they have PAID to live without them, they complain about the racism and backwardness of white people they have never met and wouldn’t recognize if our dead, beaten bodies were thrown over the high gates into their tailored grounds…. which they most assuredly would be happy to see…..

I am sick of hearing that there is great racism in the South. That is total bullshit. Atlanta has one of the largest black populations anywhere in the US and it manages to get along quite well between the races. We don’t talk about it, but we don’t argue over it either. Yankees and far Westerners CONSTANTLY try and tell me how superior they are in race relations because I have few (about 10%) friends who are black, and few (about 30%) who are Hispanic. [Just the percentage of the respective populations in the US as a whole, by the way]. When I ask them how many black friends they have, they claim all the blacks around them that they know. Which averages out to 3 or 4% of their populations. Big Deal!

Southerners have been beaten over the heads with this for decades. Our parents had it beaten out of them as adults. We have had ourselves indoctrinated for the last 40 years constantly about how evil our ancestors were. Bullshit! They learned to change. Which is more than I can say for the Yankees and California and Washington State pricks I have worked with all me bloomin’ life.

Racism in the South is far less a problem than it is in NYC, DC (which sure as Hell ain’t a Southern city), Chicago, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. End of story.

Subsunk

Subsunk on October 3, 2011 at 11:51 PM

I find Cain and Romney both offensive for their comments and Hannity for allowing it to continue. Wouldn’t give you two cents for Fox News anymore.

PhiKapMom on October 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM

I do also. I listen to Rush and then Hannity and have found that Hannity is supportive of Cain and when repeating what Cain said, he leaves out or misquotes what was actually said. I don’t appreciate that and he needs to stop it. I have cut way back on watching Fox as well, too many left opinions on lately.

Gov. Perry has apologized and admitted that he should have done the gardasil issue differently.

Cain hasn’t done that yet. Unless he does, his words will lose their meaning, because one will never know if he meant what he says today or maybe he’ll change it tomorrow. Not a good idea.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:51 PM

This is blowing up in the Left’s face already. They’ll be sorry they ever made it an issue.

For TX DEMS to defend Perry is proof that the MSM went too far.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 3, 2011 at 11:49 PM

I hope it does. I’m so sick of these lying bigots. I also am of the opinion had Cain not supported the Wash Po smear, we never would have heard of this “rock”. It would have died on it’s own.

I see Romney has come out and is using the same “insensative” word.

Do we have a Romney/Cain team now? Strange, Cain has started to attack Gov. Perry…Hmmmmm.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM

And don’t forget that Cain “chose” Romney as his VP at the last debate.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 3, 2011 at 11:56 PM

BKennedy on October 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Like Sarah held her finger up in the wind when she criticized Romney, LOL

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM

And don’t forget that Cain “chose” Romney as his VP at the last debate.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 3, 2011 at 11:56 PM

I’m getting confused:-) I thot Gov. Perry chose Cain? Where is my secretary? LOL

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM

You’re right. Perry chose Cain and Cain chose Romney (he said if Romney endorsed his “9-9-9″ plan, he’d pick him for VP).

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

TXUS on October 3, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Amen! He’s the only Conservative that’s one reason why he’s getting all of these arrows from every direction.

The Wash Po article was vile. They were banking on people assuming the “n” word was the usual one, instead of N*********. Cain should have never spread the smear on TV/Radio/Video.

I’m hoping the voters will take a look and ask themselves why is Gov. Perry the only one being attacked? I figured that out in the first debate, LOL

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats
As LBJ is rumored to have said:
“I know it’s not true, but I want to hear him deny it!”

whatcat on October 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Well, people need to decide which is it? I thot all of the h*** about the In-State Tuition for the Illegals was the big issue. So now he’s a racist?

No he does not have to deny such a smear. Those that made the smear need to prove it. Just as the Prosecutor has to prove his case; they made the accusation so they get to prove it:-)

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:13 AM

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM

You’re right. Perry chose Cain and Cain chose Romney (he said if Romney endorsed his “9-9-9″ plan, he’d pick him for VP).

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Oh, now that you mention that part about what Cain said, I remember. So Cain endorsed Romney in ’08. It seems like he’s endorsed him again:-)

Thanks.

P.S. We won’t have to worry about Gov. Perry choosing Cain anymore, LOL I wouldn’t pick any of those Candidates. They are all backbiters!

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I’m hoping the voters will take a look and ask themselves why is Gov. Perry the only one being attacked? I figured that out in the first debate, LOL

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Generally when you flap your gums and talk tough when you’re unvetted and instantly rise to the frontrunner status on your supposed electability, you may want to be more prepared than “I’m Rick Perry, and I’m electable but also not Mitt Romney.”

If the Perry supporters refuse to ignore Cain’s clarification, then I will continue to repeat that I cannot support Perry in the primary. Cain said he believes Gov. Perry and was not trying to attack him, and that the media is trying to use this to attack both of them.

I will adhere to Perry’s “heartless” comment as his gut instinct. The man was unprepared when he entered the race. He dug his own grave with his own insulting words toward the base, thinking he could just show up, be Rick Perry, and that Romney would fold in his presence out of courtesy.

I’m none to impressed with a Republican Governor who can win a red state and Republican stronghold for three terms. That he didn’t realize Romney had to get elected under much harsher circumstances and was thus far and away more prepared is an indication that Perry should stick with Texas.

The first rule of battle is to never underestimate your enemy. Perry miscalculated badly, and we can’t afford the risk Perry won’t get a clue between now and the convention, and actually treat his opponents seriously instead of pretending to frontrunner status.

Like him or not, Romney is vicious and knows what he’s doing when it comes to assessing his challengers.

BKennedy on October 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

P.S. We won’t have to worry about Gov. Perry choosing Cain anymore, LOL I wouldn’t pick any of those Candidates. They are all backbiters!

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

That’s why Newt is my second choice behind Perry; he doesn’t attack his fellow candidates and he doesn’t fall for the MSM’s (or even FNC’s) bait.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

That’s why Newt is my second choice behind Perry; he doesn’t attack his fellow candidates and he doesn’t fall for the MSM’s (or even FNC’s) bait.

-Aslan’s Girl

Ditto!

tmontgomery on October 4, 2011 at 12:24 AM

No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats
As LBJ is rumored to have said:
“I know it’s not true, but I want to hear him deny it!”
whatcat on October 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Well, people need to decide which is it? I thot all of the h*** about the In-State Tuition for the Illegals was the big issue. So now he’s a racist?
No he does not have to deny such a smear. Those that made the smear need to prove it. Just as the Prosecutor has to prove his case; they made the accusation so they get to prove it:-)
bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:13 AM

The problem is that this is yet another thing Perry needs to keep playing defense on. Frankly, I’m not sure if either he or his staff have enough brains not to go too far down the “I’m not a crook”, “I’m not a witch” road.

whatcat on October 4, 2011 at 12:27 AM

BKennedy on October 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Romney is vicious?Yep. He is a used car salesman who doest give a f*** about anything other than himself.

Romney knows what he is doing? He spent a ton of money to come in 3rd with a very early dropout last time.

Romney also popped off about n*****gate , and that is falling apart.

Perry has underwhelmed, but let’s see how things play out.

Southernblogger on October 4, 2011 at 12:38 AM

whatcat on October 4, 2011 at 12:27 AM

But we will find out.

Southernblogger on October 4, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Why is the Left is always focusing on Race?

Chip on October 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM

What else do they have?

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2011 at 12:46 AM

That’s why Newt is my second choice behind Perry; he doesn’t attack his fellow candidates and he doesn’t fall for the MSM’s (or even FNC’s) bait.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Good point. I’ve noticed that. And in the beginning, only Cain & Newt didn’t attack others. Then Cain changed. He’s not quite as screaming and high pitched as Bachmann, but same slams.

Going to see what’s going on with the other threads:-)

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Can someone please shut Spathi up?

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Why? It’s all relative.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2011 at 12:49 AM

whatcat on October 4, 2011 at 12:27 AM

But we will find out.
Southernblogger on October 4, 2011 at 12:39 AM

If the campaign knew how to play this right they could manage to parlay it into some sympathy points since there’s not much at all to the story. Unfortunately, all that a lot of people will just take away from the episode is the words “racist…N-word…Perry”. Though candidates have come through much worse than this – such as Jimmy Carter’s segregated church.

whatcat on October 4, 2011 at 12:51 AM

But this is how Democrat Media narratives are made: If you’ve got a candidate who looks the part, do what you can to make him play the part and low-information NASCAR Fan voters will draw a conclusion about his character.

What they really meant to say.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2011 at 1:04 AM

No, Rick Perry’s not a racist say … Texas Democrats

Eh, doesn’t matter. Perry is DONE. Stick a fork in him.

This issue is a killer; not because we believe he is racist, but because we know what the media’s attack will be. And to think I was worried they’d call him “stupid”….

I’m crushed by the field. Who do I support? Maybe Christie — the lib? Cain has foot in mouth disease. Romney is untrustworthy for judges. Palin? I fear her in the debates.

What do we do Allah??????

highway64 on October 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM

I’m not Allah, but you don’t let the media dictate who you support. Support or don’t support a candidate for your beliefs, NOT because the LSM is setting a dishonest meme.

Don’t empower them. Don’t let them win. George Bush, Cheney, Palin, yesterday it was Bachmann and her crazy eyes, today it’s Perry and some BS racism claim. Tomorrow they’ll move onto the next candidate.

If Perry’s your candidate, then stick by him and fight the smears. If not, then be prepared to fight for your candidate because it will come.

kim roy on October 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM

alwaysfiredup on October 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM

(1) I was referring to folks like Jenfidal and right2bright who gleefully bought in because it fit their narrative.

(2)Do not make excuses or give half-quotes for Cain. The correct response would have been that yes, the name is very offensive, but I will withhold comment until all the facts are known. He asserted that Perry knew about the rock and took no action for a very long time. No whitewashing this.

Southernblogger on October 3, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Pal, this is what I said:
That word is offensive to a black person, more than apparently you understand. Cain has every right, when questioned, to say that that word is offensive…and he has every right to assume that he can answer a question that is directed at him, when the facts are presented by a viable news source.
If you say he has to wait to be sure every story is “verified” than no candidate would answer any question…because they have to go to other sources to “verify”, and the verifying could take weeks…that is the papers responsibility, not the candidates. You want them to be a journalist while campaigning?
It’s foolish, the story was printed, the retraction has to come from WaPo, not Cain, he answered the question.
Now if he were a “politician” than he could have danced around it, but to his credit he takes those things head on.
You should be attacking the source of the incorrect information, if it was incorrect.
I will repeat: I stated that Cain had every right to say that word is offensive, and he has every right to assume that a major story is fact checked and is accurate.
And to show how indigenous, no make that a liar you are, there was no “glee” you fool. I have no idea how you came up with that, except that you just wanted to throw in that little lie to make you sound like you know what you are talking about.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 1:21 AM

There should be a “dis” in front of indigenous…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM

What do we do Allah??????

highway64 on October 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Most of the attacks come from other conservatives…if you support Romney, than they have spent the last several weeks attacking Perry…If you support Perry, than you have spent the last couple of weeks attacking Cain, and Romney…
These are people who think that the only way to promote their candidate is to take down other candidates, probably because they know that who they are supporting doesn’t have fresh ideas, doesn’t have a real plan, and quite frankly, they are probably slipping in the poles.

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Romney’s attempt to stoke the fire on this “racist rock” hack job has left me convinced that it is the latest handiwork of Rove et al. working on behalf of the Romney Team.

Their strategy is simple. If the candidates start to talk about their records, Perry wins hands down. They therefore wish to put the Perry Team on defense by whipping up these “controversies” planted by friendly media outlets.

The only problem? A terrible hack job tends to backfire, as this issue demonstrates, and garners sympathy for the intended victim. And pretty soon, people tune out and the one being attacked develops a teflon exterior, which bounces off other controversies.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 1:38 AM

I will repeat: I stated that Cain had every right to say that word is offensive, and he has every right to assume that a major story is fact checked and is accurate.

right2bright

Of course he has the right to assume a story is accurate and fact checked. It’s just not very smart to do that. Why would anyone assume a scenario presented by a journalist is accurate, knowing everything we know about the media these days? Cain screwed up. The best thing to do in this situation is not answer until you’ve gotten up to speed on the issue. If you haven’t heard about something, say so, instead of reacting to some journalist’s bogus premise.

xblade on October 4, 2011 at 3:11 AM

Perry should give a speech in South Carolina about how the Southern man must always prove his innocence against a presumption of guilt when it comes to the Northeast media and the charge of racism. Rile up the southland Perry, get some energy going. We don’t need ‘em around anyhow.

Daemonocracy on October 4, 2011 at 4:15 AM

bluefox on October 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

And thank you for the info about how Cain endorsed Mitt in ’08. I wouldn’t have held that against him before yesterday — I voted for Mitt in ’08 b/c Fred! dropped out and I didn’t want McShamnesty — but in light of what’s going on these last two days, it explains a lot.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 4:23 AM

I appreciate both the WAPO and Bloomburg for outing themselves as partisan hacks and liars.

It keeps my narrative alive!

Lonetown on October 4, 2011 at 5:23 AM

What else do they have?

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Class warfare

CW on October 4, 2011 at 7:05 AM

canopfor on October 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

yup :)

cmsinaz on October 4, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Voter from WA State on October 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM

You’re 100% right.

It is also not considered presidential to belabor issues like these. The media will quickly pivot from the story and start to discuss how petty and thin-skinned Perry appears to be.

Sometimes the intent of these hack jobs is just to do that – goad you into being tied down and throw you off message.

So the statement of denial is okay and then leave to others to defend him.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Speaking of electability, Romney told Sean Hannity this afternoon that the name of Perry’s hunting camp is “offensive.” Certainly true, but I’m not sure Mitt wants to push too hard on this point. See Greg Pollowitz for why.

I wish Mitt had stayed out of this, but I’d like to see the context of Romney’s comment on Hannity. Was he asked a question about it or did he just talk about it out of the blue?

Second, and most important, in response to the tweet, Romney’s father dissented from the Mormon establishment on this issue, and was in the vanguard of the Civil Rights movement:

Romney supported the American Civil Rights Movement while governor.[99] His hardscrabble background and subsequent life experiences had given him a different perspective from the LDS Church policy on blacks;[15] he reflected, “It was only after I got to Detroit that I got to know Negroes and began to be able to evaluate them and I began to recognize that some Negroes are better and more capable than lots of whites.”[80] During his first State of the State address in January 1963, Romney declared that “Michigan’s most urgent human rights problem is racial discrimination—in housing, public accommodations, education, administration of justice, and employment.”[100] Romney helped create the state’s first civil rights commission.[101] When Martin Luther King, Jr. came to Detroit in June 1963 to stage a civil rights march, Romney issued a proclamation in support of the event and sent two representatives to it on his behalf, but did not attend himself because it was on a Sunday.[99] Romney did participate in a smaller march protesting housing discrimination the following Saturday in Grosse Pointe, after King had left.[99] Romney’s advocacy of civil rights brought him criticism from his own church; in January 1964, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles member Delbert L. Stapley wrote him that a proposed civil rights bill was “vicious legislation” and telling him that “the Lord had placed the curse upon the Negro” and it was not for men to remove it.[29][102] Romney refused to change his position and increased his efforts towards civil rights.[29][102]

More at the link…

Buy Danish on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Question: Why isn’t anyone questioning Perry’s total absence of private sector experience. He was football cheerleader at Texas A&M and then went into government and has remained on the public payroll since then. He has lived in public housing for the last 10 years. Perry is part of that group or rich Texans who practice racism covertly and not overtly…or until this rock incident has come to light.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Perry is part of that group or rich Texans who practice racism covertly and not overtly…or until this rock incident has come to light.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

That’s quite an accusation, Dana. Care to back it up? Or are you, like the smear merchants of the MSM, just satisfied with farting and leaving the room?

You are shameless.

av8tr on October 4, 2011 at 11:48 AM

More at the link…

Buy Danish on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

So he does belong to a racist church? And he is still loyal to a racist church?

Romney’s advocacy of civil rights brought him criticism from his own church; in January 1964, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles member Delbert L. Stapley wrote him that a proposed civil rights bill was “vicious legislation” and telling him that “the Lord had placed the curse upon the Negro” and it was not for men to remove it.[29][102] Romney refused to change his position and increased his efforts towards civil rights.[29][102]

And people talk about a rock with some scribbling on it? And here we have a candidate that tithes to a church that promotes that kind of bigotry and racism? Good grief, I thought that kind of thinking would never be in a mainstream faith.
Great that he rejects the thinking, horrible he still supports it…

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Perry is part of that group or rich Texans who practice racism covertly and not overtly…or until this rock incident has come to light.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

And you are a pervert that prey on neighborhood kids…see anyone can make an accusation. Of course you do it “covertly and not overtly”.
See how that works?

right2bright on October 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM

So the statement of denial is okay and then leave to others to defend him.

TheRightMan on October 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM

I agree completely, tell the truth and let the others continue to show their true character to the voters. Good strategy.

kg598301 on October 4, 2011 at 1:21 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/dna-helps-free-texas-man-convicted-wifes-death-215859107.html

another body blow for perry

Bradky on October 4, 2011 at 3:52 PM

“… If he were an n-bomb dropping cracker, we’d all know.”

Isn’t “craker” is derogatory racial epithet?

Anyway this “niggerhead” brouhaha is IMO no big deal and I doubt if many supporters are turned away from Perry just for this.

Chessplayer on October 4, 2011 at 4:39 PM

“… If he were an n-bomb dropping cracker, we’d all know.”

Isn’t “craker” is derogatory racial epithet?

Anyway this “n—–head” brouhaha is IMO no big deal and I doubt if many supporters are turned away from Perry just for this.

Chessplayer on October 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Perry is part of that group or rich Texans who practice racism covertly and not overtly…or until this rock incident has come to light.

DanaSmiles on October 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Thank you for outing yourself as a disgusting troll. You are a Cainbot and you are NOT helping Cain with your posts.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Buy Danish on October 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

If you’re going to pass the GOOD things that Mitt’s dad in his life on to Mitt Romney …

Then you also need to pass the BAD things on to him that his Dad did.

We can start with his Dad’s opposition to the Vietnam War.

And we can progress from that to the fact that none of Mitt’s ancestors EVER served this nation in uniform. And – none do today.

How many Americans can really say that? Not Obama – he had an uncle in WWII. He has Mittens beat here.

HondaV65 on October 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Perry doesn’t need to say anything about this issue. First – he doesn’t want to play “victim” here. And second – taking it on the chin will earn him more respect in the end.

And besides – this didn’t hurt him at all – the story came out – and the Perry camp released the facts. And since then – other surrogates, including TX Dims have come out to bury this.

If it hurts anyone – it’ll be Cain and Romney for being stupid enough to throw their yappers into this – when it was none of their business. They both look like pathetic opportunists.

This isn’t, of course, going to save Perry if he doesn’t get his campaign, his campaign message, and his debating skills squared away.

HondaV65 on October 4, 2011 at 6:58 PM

What I would like to know is where the hell is Rick Perry in all this? He should come out hard against the Washington Post and start using the word “Slander” with all its legal implications. He should publicly demand conservatives and Republicans rally behind him as these Texas Democrats have done. At the very least this would rally the base, but his campaign continues to look impotent.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Good question. His campaign issued a statement yesterday, but today…………Crickets. I thought for sure Perry would come out swinging on this one. Evidently I was wrong.

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM

I don’t agree. I think Perry’s statement from yesterday is enough. Why should he keep this story going by making further statements. Let it die. Cain said now that he knows the Perry family got rid of the word in 1981, he commends them for it and is done with the issue.

Perry is right to let it go. This is not an important issue and we shouldn’t let the media set our agenda.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 10:26 PM

You’re right. Perry chose Cain and Cain chose Romney (he said if Romney endorsed his “9-9-9″ plan, he’d pick him for VP).
-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

That’s why Newt is my second choice behind Perry; he doesn’t attack his fellow candidates and he doesn’t fall for the MSM’s (or even FNC’s) bait.
-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

He also picked Newt because he respects Newt. (You could hear it in his voice.) Maybe he wouldn’t pick Perry because of the in state tuition thing. He did say he respects all the candidates.

And what Cain liked about Romney in 2008 was that he was a businessman and better than John McCain. He still respects the businessman part and the men are friendly. Cain (like many of us) is tired of the same old way of looking at problems by politicians. But if he thought Romney was good enough, then Cain wouldn’t be running himself.

In any case, Cain is a true conservative, as is Perry.

Here is the transcript from the debate:

BAIER: Mr. Cain?

CAIN: This is a game, and it is hypothetical. I’ll play the game.

(LAUGHTER)

If — if Governor Romney would throw out his jobs growth plan and replace it with 999, he has a shot.

(LAUGHTER)

If he does not, I would probably go with Speaker Gingrich, who I have the greatest admiration for, in all seriousness, because of his history and because of his depth of knowledge. I could go on because I have respect for everybody up here. But it’s a game.

Elisa on October 4, 2011 at 10:40 PM

LISTEN UP EVERYONE!! I saw this on MSNBC of all places. Niggerhead is a proper name for a coneflower which grows all over the south. It has been used in multiple places where the flower blooms. The name of the ranch was named after the flower because it grows there. It was painted over. The rock was turned over. And lo and behold, 28 years later, the Washington Post crawls out from under it. Rick is not my choice but we need to stand united. We don’t win because we cannot compromise and back our candidates…United we stand; divided we fall. EVERY TIME!.

AReadyRepub on October 5, 2011 at 4:02 PM

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