Is Cain the biggest loser in WaPo’s hit on Perry?

posted at 12:05 pm on October 3, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Sometimes, competition can make people abandon their natural common sense.  That arguably happened yesterday to Herman Cain, who must have seen the Washington Post exposé on Rick Perry about a Texas hunting ranch lease from the 1980s as an opening to hit one of the frontrunners in the race.  Cain appeared on ABC’s This Week and blasted Perry as “insensitive” (mildly NSFW):

This certainly seemed like a gift in the middle of a tough campaign, but as Jazz wrote yesterday, the Post’s story had a lot of holes in it — starting with the problem that they didn’t even find the rock in question, and that Perry’s family didn’t own or name the ranch, but in fact found the name offensive enough to cover with paint and flip over. Instead of waiting for more information, though, Cain accepted the premise of the Post’s article, which raised the ire of some conservatives, if my Twitter feed yesterday was any indication.

The Boss Emeritus provides some needed context to the Post’s attack:

The Post interviewed dozens of people. The New York Timesfollowed up with another crack investigation of hazy memories of bygone days.

They’ve given “stoning” a whole new meaning.

Has Perry actually used the racial epithet himself — you know, like the late, former KKK leader Robert Byrd did as recently as 2001?

Did Perry condescendingly refer to a black politician as “articulate and bright and clean” like Biden did when he described Barack Obama in 2007?

Did Perry racially stereotype Hispanics for political gain or refer offensively to President Obama’s “light skin” and “lack of a Negro dialect” like Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid did just last year?

No.

This prompted Michael Tomasky at The Daily Beast to write that the biggest loser of the ranch flap is likely to be Cain, and not Perry (via The Week):

And it is instructive, is it not, that no other candidate jumped on this revelation? Think about the conversations that must have gone on in Mitt Romney’s camp, or in Rick Santorum’s. I bet they weren’t even very long conversations. It’s a charge that emanates from the liberal media, and the last thing in the world, and I mean the very last thing, a candidate chasing Republican primary votes wants to do is sound like that. It’s a dead certainty that we won’t hear another peep about this story from them.

As for Cain, one wonders what synapse snapped into action there. He has been reliably on message on such matters, saying things like (as he said even yesterday) two thirds of black Americans are victims of “brainwashing” against conservatism. I guess he just doesn’t know his steam-locomotive history. But he said what he said, and now he’s going to have to prove to these people, just as he was gaining a little momentum, that he isn’t morphing into Al Sharpton.

As for Perry himself, he seems unlikely to be hurt very much. One supposes it is possible that some group of GOP panjandrums will send up a smoke signal, gather in lower Manhattan, and decide that this is another sign that Perry isn’t the man to put forward next November. If he’d been coming off three dominant debate performances and was still running away with it, he could wrap himself in the highest possible dudgeon and try to chop the Post to pieces for the amusement of a salivating base constituency. But since he’s on the downswing for now, he needs to play defense, which is what his camp did yesterday. This charge may make some conservatives feel that Perry is a tad embarrassing. But how many will it personally offend? Let’s face it, based on the evidence of the last debate, the GOP base thinks Perry isn’t racially insensitive enough, giving $100,000 college-education discounts to all those illegal brown children.

I don’t find it at all surprising that Cain, who grew up in poverty and oppressive state-backed racism, would have an immediate and emotional reaction to this story.  It seems almost churlish to scold him for calling it “insensitive,” a rather mild criticism considering the nature of the term.  The other candidates in the GOP race for the nomination don’t have a history with this term as Cain does and could approach it more coolly, perhaps, while looking at the greater strategy of avoiding the potential backfire when the story came apart.

That said, the media has quite a track record of highlighting tenuous connections to racism when it comes to Republicans while, pardon the pun, whitewashing it when it comes to Democrats.  Conservatives who were angry with Perry over his harsh reaction to criticism of his state-based tuition breaks for children of illegal immigrants might tend to rally around him after watching a national media outlet accuse him falsely of perpetuating an ugly term that Perry himself said “has no place in the modern world.”  They’re not likely to look kindly on those who bolster the case of the media, regardless of the context of life experience from which the reaction originates.  That’s why it’s always best when these media “exposés” arise to withhold judgment until all of the facts are on the table.

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maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Cain called Perry insensitive, not the inscription on the rock. He swallowed the WaPo story hook, line and sinker. Perry asked his Dan to paint over it when he first learned about it. Cain played the race card for political gotcha.

cartooner on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Hypocrits.

HondaV65 on October 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM

It’s hard to type this (I did before, but repeat, in other words) – may the devil take Nicole Wallace, WaPo, NYT, McGinnis and Levi Johnson, to name the core.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Pretty sad day when Palinista’s can’t stand up and condemn a story cut right out of the same playbook they used to tar and feather Palin.

Hypocrits.

HondaV65 on October 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Sure is. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking as they gloat in the missteps and hit pieces aimed at anyone that could be a threat to Palin.

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

No,I beg to differ with you.Cain needs to realize that the media loves the ,gotcha moments, and tell them ,no comment, and instead focus on this president who is bankrupting us!

ohiobabe

Though the media loves “gotcha”, N-head IS insensitive. To say, “no comment” is what a corrupt politician would do.

Cain isn’t making this a major issue. Perry supporters are, playing their own sympathy card after his “heartless” defense. The media is because they love hype. Until Cain goes on and on about the N-head camp, drop it like the hot potato that it is.

Cain already attacked Obama for bankrupting America. Cain already attacked the “Obama for me but not for thee” takers and abusers in society. Perry’s attack on Obama supporters is non-existent, the corrupt politician’s “no comment” standard.

maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Why would that be an effective rebuttal? Buy Danish isn’t a Palin supporter.
Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM

I am on the record as saying Palin would make a great Energy Secretary. Unlike Cain however, since she signed legislation authorizing the use of Project Labor Agreements for the (yet to be built) Alaska pipeline, I would not recommend that she serve as Secretary of Labor. We’ve had quite enough kowtowing to labor unions from Hilda Solis.

Buy Danish on October 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

This isn’t about Palin. Yet you respond as if it were. Whatever.

maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM

This isn’t about Palin. Yet you respond as if it were. Whatever.

maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM

You must have missed the first two pages. Knucklehead didn’t inject Palin into this.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Sure is. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking as they gloat in the missteps and hit pieces aimed at anyone that could be a threat to Palin.

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

There have been plenty of examples of Palin supporters condemning the WaPo hitpiece. And I have yet to see one gloating about it. Seems like you’re making stuff up again.

The hypocrisy comes from you, the Old Lady who Cried Liar.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Though the media loves “gotcha”, N-head IS insensitive. To say, “no comment” is what a corrupt politician would do.

maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Sorry but claiming someone “corrupt” who has the INTELLIGENCE to say “No Comment” on a WaPo story they’re not familiar with – is very bad spin on your part.

Sorry – but it just is.

You’re boy stuck his foot in his mouth – and played liberal politics with the loosest of evidence – with the WASINGTON POST as his backdrop.

I think Cain may have taken the HPV vaccine. If he’s not smart enough to avoid IED’s like this one – maybe he shouldn’t be trusted with the nuke codes?

HondaV65 on October 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Well it’s obvious that Cain doesn’t care for Perry. He’s already damaged Perry greatly with his assertion that he could not support Perry if he’s our nominee, now this….wow.

I think the story hurts both Cain and Perry. Cain for not being presidential and Perry for reminding everyone that this kind of attack is going to be a big problem for Perry if he makes it to the general election.

I was in the grocery store this weekend and one of the rag mags, The National Enquirer had a small cover story saying Rick Perry has ties to the KKK. Apparently Alice Patterson one of the people he organized his big prayer meeting with and who he has personally prayed with, her family member has ties to the KKK.

This hit piece and the Washington Post hit piece is only instructive in that Perry is going to be smeared like this constantly because of his geographical background.

An Obama versus Perry election will be a very damaging one for America. Pitting a man who has no problem using the race card against a man from a state who has said ‘gets pretty ugly’ in disagreements is asking for trouble that this country does not need.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

This hit piece and the Washington Post hit piece is only instructive in that Perry is going to be smeared like this constantly because of his geographical background.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

So what are you saying? We sit back and let it happen? No thanks. Perry isn’t my first choice, but enough it enough. Conservatives need to have his back here.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

In 20/20 hindsight (and this works for all FUTURE questions from CNN, etc. to any Republican candidate) a better answer:

“I have no comment on any story in the Washington Post about what a Republican said or did until I get the facts.”

fred5678 on October 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

You know who this helps?

LOL

Now let’s here you whine some more!!!

idesign on October 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Even Bevo’s cohorts recognize what he did.

I like it and I do hope it does help her.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Oh Bevo, your other comrade just outed you too:

Do tell?

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I thought it was self explainatory.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Christie doesn’t speak French.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2011 at 2:32 PM

maverick muse on October 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM

I think the wrong definition of the word itself is causing all of this. It doesn’t appear to be a racial slur at all. I think the Wash Po put this smear out, knowing that everyone would come to the wrong conclusion.

If you haven’t read my post here, I’d like your opinion on it after you do. Thanks.

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM

bluefox on October 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM

This hit piece and the Washington Post hit piece is only instructive in that Perry is going to be smeared like this constantly because of his geographical background.
sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Really? Bush didn’t have that problem. This is not a dig at Perry – I think this WaPo story is media malpractice (as is the Enquirer saying a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend was a member of the KKK), just pointing out that geography is not destiny.

Buy Danish on October 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Well it’s obvious that Cain doesn’t care for Perry. He’s already damaged Perry greatly with his assertion that he could not support Perry if he’s our nominee, now this….wow.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

That statement damaged Herman Cain. He was my second choice, not anymore he is now last. Anyone who will not vote for the nominee is in BHO corner for re-election.

derft on October 3, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I’m sure Perry supporters have already made this point, but I find it humorous that someone who has literally bent over backwards to accomodate Hispanics is now being accused of racism.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Perry is many things but he is NOT a racist.

derft on October 3, 2011 at 2:44 PM

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Wow, another example of your dishonesty, taking someone’s comment from a completely unrelated thread about Christie and trying to assign it some relevance to one of my comments on a thread about Cain and Perry. The entire conversation from the other thread is posted below to illustrate just how dishonest you are.

Daemonocracy expresses a desire for Christie to get in so that it would help Perry:

Which is why I’m leaning towards him getting in.
A guy weak on both Illegal immigration AND the second amendment? Perry would be instantly relieved of scrutiny.
Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 2:07 PM

unseen says he only wants Christie to get in the race if another conservative also enters the race:

only if a conservatives doesn’t ge tin after Christie
unseen on October 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM

You respond with a non-sequitur question:

Do tell?
cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Knucklehead expresses glee at your non-sequitur:

I can’t wait for this!
Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Honda says “they” are a broken record, though it’s not apparent who this they is or what makes them like a broken record:

They’re like a broken record – in EVERY thread.
HondaV65 on October 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM

unseen says his comment spoke for itself (i.e., he would like to see another conservative get in the race after Christie):

I thought it was self explainatory.
unseen on October 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Somehow you think this is supposed to be relevant to my comments here:

Not according to Bevo and idesign.
cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM

More butt hurt from the insecure cultist a/k/a……………

Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo!

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Um, dude, unless you are from Bizzaro world, it proves my point and refutes your defense.

Maybe you are from Bizzaro world.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM

derft on October 3, 2011 at 2:44 PM

I respect both of you for your objectivity. Count on my support for SP, if she runs.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Oh, and still don’t think you know what non sequitur means.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Oh, and still don’t think you know what non sequitur means.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Does it mean… Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo!?????

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM

So what are you saying? We sit back and let it happen? No thanks. Perry isn’t my first choice, but enough it enough. Conservatives need to have his back here.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I should’ve added because of his geographical background AND because of a lot of the evangelicals he has chosen to align himself with.

I would complete defend Perry if these attacks where just going to be about where he lives but Perry made a decision to be around some very controversial religious folks, Alice Patterson is just one of them.

Another person who Perry organized his prayer meeting with is Mike Bickle who claims Oprah is the harbinger to the anti-Christ.

Perry has about a half-dozen “Rev. Wright” of these type of connections.

We need this election to be about Obama not a referendum on Perry’s background. And because he hasn’t been fully vetted a Perry candidacy is extremely risky when the GOP can’t afford to be risky.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:55 PM

More butt hurt from the insecure cultist a/k/a……………

Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo! Look at Steebo!

Knucklehead on October 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Insecure people tend to lie a lot. Since you and cozmo have been caught in repeated lies about me, I guess that makes you the insecure one, Knucklehead a/k/a The Old Lady who Cried Cultist.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Um, dude, unless you are from Bizzaro world, it proves my point and refutes your defense.

Maybe you are from Bizzaro world.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

How does it prove your point? It doesn’t. unseen’s comment about Christie getting in the race has nothing to do with my comments about the impact of the Cain/Perry/rock episode.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Insecure people tend to lie a lot.
steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM

I don’t think you know what insecure, or lie, means either.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Oh, and still don’t think you know what non sequitur means.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Responding “Do tell?” to a statement that stood on its own is a non sequitur (i.e., it does not follow).

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM

I would complete defend Perry if these attacks where just going to be about where he lives but Perry made a decision to be around some very controversial religious folks, Alice Patterson is just one of them.

Another person who Perry organized his prayer meeting with is Mike Bickle who claims Oprah is the harbinger to the anti-Christ.

Perry has about a half-dozen “Rev. Wright” of these type of connections.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Those things sound troubling, but similar things are going to be an issue for every candidate (fair or not). Palin if she enters, certainly Romney, and probalby all the others to one degree or another. I doubt Obama goes there because of the Rev. Wright issue.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Those things sound troubling…
Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Not only are they troubling, but they are disastrous. sheryl needs to tell us all about it.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Responding “Do tell?” to a statement that stood on its own is a non sequitur (i.e., it does not follow).

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM

To expound on the issue he raised is relevant (i.e., it does follow). You should know, you are usually the one who brings it up in every thread first.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:09 PM

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I defended Cain when this brought up by Chris Wallace and it seemed he clearly was referring to the word as insensitive and seemed not too familiar with the story, but this interview is a whole different story. He is directly playing the race card here against Perry instead of giving the man the benefit of the doubt and waiting for more information.

He said the word “Niggerhead” straight out for effect, he said Perry hunted there for a long time without taking the name off of the rock and mentioned that displayed basic insensitivity.

Amanpour, who I can’t stand, even gave Cain a way out by suggesting the name may have been painted over but Cain persisted and asked who knows when it was painted over? Once again he used the word insensitive. Herman Cain said he would not endorse Rick Perry if he were the nominee, and now he is essentially calling him a racist with no hard evidence.

I defended Cain before, but he is clearly playing the race card in this interview. This is not good. Perry insulted those who opposed his in state tuition as being heartless and now Cain plays the race card, why don’t you all just drop out and give the nomination to Romney by default? Unbelievable.

I can’t believe were talking about a freaking ROCK that the Post hasn’t even seen for themselves.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Sheryl hates conservative Christians. That’s all you need to know about Sheryl. An irrelevant liberal California “Republican” who first criticized Perry for talking with an accent, being a Southerner and participating in public prayer.

Even John McCain was criticized for his conservative christian ties, and this was while conservative Christians were criticizing him for attacking Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as “merchants of hate”. The media will attack any Republican for their religion, just as they attacked Palin as some sort of snake handler because she spoke at a Pentecostal church.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:18 PM

To expound on the issue he raised is relevant (i.e., it does follow). You should know, you are usually the one who brings it up in every thread first.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I think you mean expand rather than expound.

“Do tell” is a command, not a question, and should therefore be followed by a period, not a question mark.

And since unseen’s statement “only if a conservative doesn’t get in after Christie” made it clear that he believed Christie’s entrance would only help Perry so long as another conservative didn’t get in the race after Christie. What expansion does that statement require? It’s meaning is obvious and self-contained.

And I’m not sure what you are saying I bring up in every thread. Please do tell.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I am on the record as saying Palin would make a great Energy Secretary. Unlike Cain however, since she signed legislation authorizing the use of Project Labor Agreements for the (yet to be built) Alaska pipeline, I would not recommend that she serve as Secretary of Labor. We’ve had quite enough kowtowing to labor unions from Hilda Solis.

Buy Danish on October 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM

You are about as obtuse as they come and duplicitous with your selective use of ‘facts’. Or did you not know that PLAs have been in use for a long, long time in AK? What you insinuate is that she is somehow beholden to unions

Thanks to the Eagan, Hickel, Knowles, Stevens & Murkowski dynasties, they are the epitome of crony capitalism writ large in Alaska.

Alaska has two major laws pertaining to collective bargaining for public employers, including the state, municipalities, boroughs, university, school districts and their employees, that are enforced primarily by the Alaska Labor Relations Agency. The first is the labor provisions of the Alaska Railroad Corporation Act, and the second is the Public Employment Relations Act, which recognizes the right of public employees to organize for the purpose of collective bargaining; requires public employers to negotiate with and enter into written agreements with employee organizations on matters of wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment; and maintains merit-system principles among public employees. (Alaska Labor Relations Agency)

And given the mix of Donk/GOP/Ind/Green party affliations, were you expecting Sarah to make headway on the pipline without PLAs?

Maybe you hate unions, but there are plenty of indies/conservatives that don’t begrudge the notion of unions. I myself have been a member of the Teamsters. While I despise the leadership and think the union’s time and need have been eclipsed by modern laws and standards, I can see why some feel a need to be a member – particularly when it’s a closed-shop state. I think Sarah was clear enough that when it comes to unions, the real culprits are the leadership that take advantage of workers for their own pursuit of power & money.

Anyhoo, you can put me on record as saying either Cain or Palin will make a greater POTUS than Energy/Labor Secretary.

AH_C on October 3, 2011 at 3:27 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Dude, put the shovel down and give it up, you’re making a supreme jacka$$ out of yourself and have now reached troll status. This was a thread about Herman Cain, not you.

Thanks for the disruption/

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM

One sign of maturity and intelligence is to learn from others’ mistakes. I am surprised and disappointed that Cain went for this MSM bait. He should have been alert to this tactic from seeing how it worked on others, like Palin. Palin, I believe, has learned, and the other candidates should have learned as well from her experience.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 3, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Not again, ugh!!

DanaSmiles on October 3, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Oh please….generalize much!

Pointing out specific Perry controversial evangelical’s and their message problem is not hate, it’s dealing with reality.

I hated Rev. Wright’s message and it is one of the reasons I don’t think highly of Obama because he aligned himself with that type of person.

I hate the messages of some of Perry’s preachers and I think less of Perry for aligning himself with these types of people.

If you think these types of people Wright, Patterson, Bickle (hate mongers in my opinion) should be accepted go right ahead Daemonocracy, it’s a free country.

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Interesting that my one drive by comment has carried over into another thread.

I just wanted to say that when I read Unseen’s comment about another conservative jumping in, I figured he was hinting at a Palin run. Unseen is a huge Palin fan, Palin still has time to jump in, and she is the only high profile conservative being mentioned as a potential candidate. Unseen would be right too, Palin jumping in as well as Christie means Perry will not see any direct benefit, especially with how weak his campaign has been so far.

I just don’t want to see Romney run away with this thing.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

If in the next debate, Mr.Cain on stage apologizes to Perry and rips into the LSM, he will gain tremendous number of new supporters, because he will have shown himself to be someone who if made a mistake, can admit it, learn from it and move on.

J_Crater on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Well, obviously you don’t know the meaning of expound, or what a question mark is.

And unseen’s statement was a clear as mud, that is why he did expound, a little, to the question. So, your comrade understood it. Its just you that has a problem with comprehension. Just like yesterday.

And, you go to great lengths to convert whatever is written into what you want it to mean. Therefore, to “do tell” would have no effect other than to give you another tangent to go off on to try and show you have a teensy bit of relevancy yourself.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:35 PM

I just don’t want to see Romney run away with this thing.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

From your keyboard to God’s ears.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:36 PM

If in the next debate, Mr.Cain on stage apologizes to Perry and rips into the LSM, he will gain tremendous number of new supporters, because he will have shown himself to be someone who if made a mistake, can admit it, learn from it and move on.

J_Crater on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Dang, I like that!

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM

And unseen’s statement was a clear as mud, that is why he did expound, a little, to the question. So, your comrade understood it. Its just you that has a problem with comprehension. Just like yesterday.

No he didn’t. All he said was that, basically, it speaks for itself.

And, you go to great lengths to convert whatever is written into what you want it to mean.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:35 PM

That’s rich coming from the guy who read all sorts of extra, hidden meanings into an innocuous “Who does this help? Not Cain, not Perry.” comment.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM

That’s rich coming from the guy who read all sorts of extra, hidden meanings into an innocuous “Who does this help? Not Cain, not Perry.” comment.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Okay, heck, I may even let you have that one (even though you, and every body else, knew what you meant). If it weren’t for you bringing it up over different threads over the course of two days, it would have faded into the ether long ago.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM

If this is true Herman needs to take his meds.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dek4ch

derft on October 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM

If this is true Herman needs to take his meds.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dek4ch

derft on October 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Lol. You should send that to AP. He would love to blog that assuming it’s true.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 3:50 PM

If this is true Herman needs to take his meds.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dek4ch

derft on October 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM

We’ll wait and see if it’s true , could be the gardasil kicking in.

the_nile on October 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM

I don’t find it at all surprising that Cain, who grew up in poverty and oppressive state-backed racism, would have an immediate and emotional reaction to this story.

Really?? I sure do. I honestly thought he was above all of the race-baiting nonsense thrown around so casually by the MSM…..and the fact that he obviously ISN’T really bothers me.

I was really liking Cain too dammit!!

Tim_CA on October 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM

So what are you saying? We sit back and let it happen? No thanks. Perry isn’t my first choice, but enough it enough. Conservatives need to have his back here.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Exactly right. And if anyone thinks the GOP candidate that emerges isn’t going to be subjected to unfair attacks of their own, they have to be dreaming at this point.

capitalist piglet on October 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM

If this is true Herman needs to take his meds.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dek4ch

derft on October 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM

We’ll wait and see if it’s true , could be the gardasil kicking in.

the_nile on October 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM

This will not be good for The Herminator. The original tweeter, MrLTavern doesn’t usually make false accusations.

NoNails on October 3, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Okay, heck, I may even let you have that one (even though you, and every body else, knew what you meant). If it weren’t for you bringing it up over different threads over the course of two days, it would have faded into the ether long ago.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM

But that’s not what I meant and only you, Honda, Knucklehead, and Schadenfreude were convinced of the secret meaning, while everyone else sided with me. It would have faded long ago had the four of you not insisted on misrepresenting what I had written.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Just when he was starting to sound so good! That was the second time in a couple of days that he was baited by an media innuendo. The first one involved Palin. He’s going to have to be more careful if he wants to continue to improve his standing.

paulbriggs on October 3, 2011 at 4:08 PM

J_Crater on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I agree. In the same vein, if Perry ripped into the lsm using this issue to make a definitive statement about its corruption, ideological abuses and disservice to the citizenry, he’d get a huge and lasting jolt to his candidacy. The conservative base despises the media.

But he won’t, and Cain won’t. This is simply beyond them. It’s quite pathetic.

This is what Christie recognizes, i.e., their deeper inadequacies, the inadequacy of the entire GOP lineup. What utter lightweights, he must be saying to himself. It’s why he’s newly considering a run. How could such a man — such a political animal, bully and opportunist — fail to see the opportunity for him at this moment? It wouldn’t be natural.

rrpjr on October 3, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Herman Cain, who must have seen the Washington Post exposé on Rick Perry about a Texas hunting ranch lease from the 1980s as an opening to hit one of the frontrunners in the race.

hmmmm I don’t think Perry is one of the forntrunners any longer. that ship sailed. him and bachmann can co-write a book after the drop out. “What not to do if you want to win”

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Cain’s trying to talk it back on Hannity right now.

Tim_CA on October 3, 2011 at 4:15 PM

while everyone else sided with me. It would have faded long ago had the four of you not insisted on misrepresenting what I had written.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

IIRC, no one sided with you. Until the same comrades that shot you down today, showed up yesterday for y’alls self gratification huddle.

Today, you tried the defense that you didn’t actually mean what you meant. Maybe you can get ahold of Whoopie Goldberg and see if she will back you up.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:16 PM

But that’s not what I meant and only you, Honda, Knucklehead, and Schadenfreude were convinced of the secret meaning, while everyone else sided with me. It would have faded long ago had the four of you not insisted on misrepresenting what I had written.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

it’s what they do, all they do.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Cain’s trying to talk it back on Hannity right now.

Tim_CA on October 3, 2011 at 4:15 PM

let me know how often he mentions his book. Is he selling it for $9.99?

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Just noticed that Herman Cain’s logo has a little torch in the middle. It looks a lot like the “i” in Hot Air.

Okay, back to important stuff…

Fallon on October 3, 2011 at 4:17 PM

it’s what they do, all they do.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:16 PM

That’s rich, since you were the final stooge to blow his current defense up.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:18 PM

So what are you saying? We sit back and let it happen? No thanks. Perry isn’t my first choice, but enough it enough. Conservatives need to have his back here.

Kataklysmic on October 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Well as Rush said today. It was during the time Perry was a dem so it really doesn’t matter.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM

IIRC, no one sided with you. Until the same comrades that shot you down today, showed up yesterday for y’alls self gratification huddle.

Which “comrades” shot me down today? I know you deliberately tried to misinterpret unseen’s comment about Christie getting in the race as such and idesign’s 12:33 PM comment as such, but in both cases you were being dishonest. If you asked either of them directly if their comments were shooting me down, I’m pretty sure they would say that they weren’t.

Today, you tried the defense that you didn’t actually mean what you meant. Maybe you can get ahold of Whoopie Goldberg and see if she will back you up.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:16 PM

No, my defense was I didn’t mean what you said I meant. Again, you are being dishonest, which is par for the course with you.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM

It is just possible that Cain does not like Perry for reasons other than this story…and all this story did was reinforce that dislike.

As for scolding Cain..why? The man has a right to his opinion. Believe it or not.

They’re not likely to look kindly on those who bolster the case of the media, regardless of the context of life experience from which the reaction originates. That’s why it’s always best when these media “exposés” arise to withhold judgment until all of the facts are on the table.

Oh come on Ed…people on the right make judgments based on stuff they hear in the media just like everybody else.

For instance when someone in the media said that Romney had illegals working for him doing yardwork..who bothered to check into it and find out it was the landscaping company who had hired a couple of guys from Guatemala and Romney did not have anything to do with it..no, people who don’t like Romney ran with it.

There is stuff like that happens everyday. I am sure that Cain himself feels as if the media has been less than fair with him from time to time.

It is worth noting that in this case Cain also said that Obama had been far more insensitive than Perry in remarks he had made.

Terrye on October 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM

That’s rich, since you were the final stooge to blow his current defense up.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Again, I’ll put the question to you: when did this happen?

(Answer: it didn’t, and you are a liar).

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM

The biggest loser in this wapo ‘story’ is the staff and owners of the wapo.

Losing credibility ends newspapers. This is just one more nail in the wapo coffin.

Freddy on October 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM

sheryl on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

You obsess over the evangelical issue. I didn’t save the thread, but you said in plain speech you don’t want an evangelical conservative not just in the White House, but nowhere near the White House. You have routinely poked fun at Perry’s public prayer meeting – something that only liberals lose their mind over.

You hate the messages of the people Perry has been associated with? I would love for Obama to bring any one of these men up so we can play Reverend Wright over and over and do it right this time. I would LOVE for Obama to do that.

EVERY single Republican candidate can be and will be smeared with ties to the Christian Right.

You’ve made it clear that Perry is “too evangelical, too southern and too televangelist” for you. My problem with Romney is he is too vague on every single issue and when I can’t get a read on a man after 4 years of him being in the public spotlight, I don’t trust him. I can’t think of a single key conservative issue where he took a principled stand and/or did not play both sides. Not a single one.

Oh and don’t think for a second the media won’t launch start openly asking questions about Mormonism and its checkered past if Romney is the nominee.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM

If in the next debate, Mr.Cain on stage apologizes to Perry and rips into the LSM, he will gain tremendous number of new supporters, because he will have shown himself to be someone who if made a mistake, can admit it, learn from it and move on.

J_Crater on October 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Dang, I like that!

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Ditto. He should interrupt the moderator before the debate even begins and say, “I offer my apology to Gov. Perry for believing that the Washington Post would ever get the facts straight about a Republican. And I will never again offer an opinion about that which I haven’t researched myself — thoroughly.”

fred5678 on October 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM

No, my defense was I didn’t mean what you said I meant. Again, you are being dishonest, which is par for the course with you.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM

This reminds me of that line from the Princess Bride...I don’t think that means what you think that means.

Terrye on October 3, 2011 at 4:22 PM

This reminds me of that line from the Princess Bride…I don’t think that means what you think that means.

Terrye on October 3, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Inconceivable.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:24 PM

LOL…

I find it funny that the Romneybots are defending Cain on his gaffe.

Geez… I wonder why… :)

Meanwhile:

Cain walks back his earlier criticism of Perry on the “rock” issue

“I really don’t care about that word,” Cain said, adding that he was “satisfied” with both Perry’s response yesterday, and the fact that the word was painted over. He called the whole story a “distraction” and presented to reporters a “lets-get-down-to-business” attitude, saying he was excited to talk to Trump about China and the American economy.

That’s a major change in tune from Cain, who yesterday said of the story, “I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place. It’s just basically a case of insensitivity.”

I wonder when Mr. Cain will issue an apology to Gov. Perry…

TheRightMan on October 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM

But that’s not what I meant and only you, Honda, Knucklehead, and Schadenfreude were convinced of the secret meaning, while everyone else sided with me. It would have faded long ago had the four of you not insisted on misrepresenting what I had written.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

I didn’t post in your little meltdown thread, but I knew exactly what you meant. For you to try and walk it back makes you look the fool that you are in this thread.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM

I didn’t take it that way. thought my comment was pretty clear. christie would only help Perry if another conservative didn’t jump in. I really have no idea what cozmo is talkign about. And I understood your comment yesterday that this story helps mitt. becaus eit hurts both Perry and Cain.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:31 PM

TheRightMan on October 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Heh :)

gophergirl on October 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I didn’t post in your little meltdown thread, but I knew exactly what you meant. For you to try and walk it back makes you look the fool that you are in this thread.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Okay, show me how what I wrote didn’t mean what it said, but something that it didn’t say. I’m not walking anything back because there is nothing to walk back.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM

. It would have faded long ago had the four of you not insisted on misrepresenting what I had written.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Oh and BTW, it would have faded had you not brought it up on the first page of this thread.

Like I said before (and for which I was excoriated), this whole episode helps neither Perry nor Cain.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Yeah, everyone started it but you, you are totally innocent///

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Again, I’ll put the question to you: when did this happen?

(Answer: it didn’t, and you are a liar).

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Again with the agin. Whats with that?

You might have waited until the next page. This makes it too easy.

You know who this helps?

LOL

Now let’s here you whine some more!!!

idesign on October 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Even Bevo’s cohorts recognize what he did.

I like it and I do hope it does help her.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Oh Bevo, your other comrade just outed you too:

Do tell?

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I thought it was self explainatory.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Most folks know y’all cannot wait to inject some one else into a thread. And they know who that “some one” is. Y’all even admit it…Palin.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Yeah, everyone started it but you, you are totally innocent///

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I’m not the one lying about the meaning of the words other commenters have written. So, yeah, I am innocent.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Again with the agin. Whats with that?

You might have waited until the next page. This makes it too easy.

You said that unseen “outed” me and my super-secret, unwritten meaning, but he himself has said you are misrepresenting his comment, which was on another, totally unrelated thread.

idesign’s comment was taunting you for getting all wee-wee’d up about the simple (and long-running at Hot Air) comment “you know who this helps?” He/she never said anything about my comment meaning anything other than what it said.

So, again, you persist in your lies.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM

I can’t believe were talking about a freaking ROCK that the Post hasn’t even seen for themselves.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:10 PM

hell this is nothing. Remember back in the 2008 election when Palin was accused of being a racist out to kill obama because someone said they heard someone shout a “kill him” at one of her rallies? no proof, no physical evidence. Just a smear campaign. At least here people can if they wish travel to TX and see the freaking rock for themselves.

but this goes back to my discussions with Perry supporters who said he was vetted because he ran in Tx 3 times. things like this that are ok in TX and people know of the past and how the SOuth has moved beyond that past aren’t a big deal but for those that don’t live in the south this is seen in the most “evil” of lights. Being vetted runnign for TX gov is not the same as being vetted running for POTUS.

As far as the wapo story goes it’s crap. How can a person that siogns the dream act and is for open borders be a racist.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Bolding mine in this important post:

I defended Cain when this brought up by Chris Wallace and it seemed he clearly was referring to the word as insensitive and seemed not too familiar with the story, but this interview is a whole different story. He is directly playing the race card here against Perry instead of giving the man the benefit of the doubt and waiting for more information.

He said the word “Niggerhead” straight out for effect, he said Perry hunted there for a long time without taking the name off of the rock and mentioned that displayed basic insensitivity.

Amanpour, who I can’t stand, even gave Cain a way out by suggesting the name may have been painted over but Cain persisted and asked who knows when it was painted over? Once again he used the word insensitive. Herman Cain said he would not endorse Rick Perry if he were the nominee, and now he is essentially calling him a racist with no hard evidence.

I defended Cain before, but he is clearly playing the race card in this interview. This is not good. Perry insulted those who opposed his in state tuition as being heartless and now Cain plays the race card, why don’t you all just drop out and give the nomination to Romney by default? Unbelievable.

I can’t believe were talking about a freaking ROCK that the Post hasn’t even seen for themselves.

Daemonocracy on October 3, 2011 at 3:10 PM

capitalist piglet on October 3, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Most folks know y’all cannot wait to inject some one else into a thread. And they know who that “some one” is. Y’all even admit it…Palin.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:35 PM

You’re the one reading Palin into comments which have nothing to do with her.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Y’all even admit it…Palin.

cozmo on October 3, 2011 at 4:35 PM

I never mentioned her. If you think Palin is a conservative to the right of Perry that’s your business.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Yeah, everyone started it but you, you are totally innocent///

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM

this time he is. the ABPers thought they had an attack point and swarmed without thinking about it and now have mud on their face. Like I said it’s wath they do all they do. being on the recieving end of the swarm I can relate. they fire off their rightous fury without getting the facts. I call it “gotcha commenting” they do it constantly and it is getting old.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I never mentioned her. If you think Palin is a conservative to the right of Perry that’s your business.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Another nail in the coffin of cozmo’s lies.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Well gee whiz, looks like none of these candidates are perfect. How disappointing. lol.

kg598301 on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Instead of waiting for more information, though, Cain accepted the premise of the Post’s article

Cain let himself be stampeded into joining a “lynch mob”. He should have waited until he independently checked out the evidence and not relied on the verdict of others, particularly of the verdict of the MSM. He needs to “walk this back”. He could be the victim next time. There is plenty of evidence on other matters (like illegal “immigration” and crony capitalism) to hit Perry with.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Okay, show me how what I wrote didn’t mean what it said, but something that it didn’t say. I’m not walking anything back because there is nothing to walk back.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Everyone here knows that you are a Palin cultist and everything you post is always with her in the back of your mind. Everything.

You have nothing nice to say about any other candidates and you stalk people around HA like some kind of a deranged creep if they don’t agree with your every word, and then some.

Seek help.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Like I said before (and for which I was excoriated), this whole episode helps neither Perry nor Cain.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM

It helps Mitt and I have no idea why people assume the story was planted in the WApo by dems. This smells like a Mitt buttboy operation. Cian just walked into something and handled it extremely badly.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

The cultist leader defending another cultist, how special/

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Everyone here knows that you are a Palin cultist and everything you post is always with her in the back of your mind. Everything.

Seek help.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

so you admit you are assuming something about someone based on their actions not their actual words and you tell the poster to seek help?

Why don’t you try reading a person’s comments and not injecting your assumptions into them.

unseen on October 3, 2011 at 4:50 PM

This probably hurts Perry a little due to the headline splash which is all most people will see. His defense should have been much for vigorous for the same reason… get a headline denying it to mitigate some of the damage. Headlines are all some people ever see and a heated denial would have been the best way to go IMO.

For Cain its more lasting damage because he is in a conservative primary and people on the right don’t like the race card being used. It’s a rare conservative who hasn’t had it laid down on them.

sharrukin on October 3, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Everyone here knows that you are a Palin cultist and everything you post is always with her in the back of your mind. Everything.

Proof by assertion is not proof and saying that I am a cultist is an attempt to discredit me without having to engage what I have said.

You have nothing nice to say about any other candidates and you stalk people around HA like some kind of a deranged creep if they don’t agree with your every word, and then some.

Seek help.

CannedTomatoes on October 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM

I have said nice things about pretty much all of the candidates at one point or another. I have also engaged in analysis of their records which, while entirely factual, has rubbed a lot of the bandwagon jumpers the wrong way.

Who have I stalked “like some kind of deranged creep?” I would like to know.

steebo77 on October 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM

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