Hot Air Candidate Survey Results: October Edition

posted at 1:30 pm on October 1, 2011 by Patrick Ishmael

Herman Cain leads the pack for the first time, taking 39% of the vote. Cain also wins the second choice and declared candidate ballots. Sarah Palin takes second for a third consecutive week. Rick Perry drops from first to third. Mitt Romney takes fourth, and Chris Christie returns to the survey in fifth.

Marco Rubio is again the top pick for vice president, taking 40% of the vote.

Complete results below.

Update (Allahpundit): For ease of comparison, here’s the link to last month’s full results. The September sample was more than twice as big as this one but the demographic breakdown is strikingly consistent between the two. Perry’s collapse and Cain’s resulting surge are astounding.

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I met a Ronulan @ the PanHandle-South Plains fair on Wednesday when I was manning(womaning?) the GOP booth. Its name was Jerry and it informed me that: Ron Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate running, that the US Shadow government working with Al Quida was responsible for 9/11/2011/(Anyone who isn’t a 9/11 truther is a fool and an idiot dontcha know and the US was involved in the 1993 WTC attack too)…and that me and my views are helping turn this nation into a communist country.
I appreciate it clearing all that up for me.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 10:31 PM

In case you haven’t caught it, Spathi has been laying out a very compelling case for Ron Paul. Are you ready for this? Ron Paul is:

-For the Ground Zero Mosque
-Against Waterboarding
-Would welcome Muslims into his cabinet with open arms and without a care in the world where their loyalties might be
-Against taking out treasonous terrorist POSes like Anwar Al-Walaki
-Oh, and he drives some ’96 model year hooptie.

Sold yet? Let me guess, that whooshing sound I just heard was you jumping from the Perry camp over to the Paul camp?…/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

These is much anger in this one.

MikeM on October 1, 2011 at 10:37 PM

To her- anyone who doesn’t like Mitt or Huntsmann is guilty of anti-Mormon bigotry.
To the best of my knowledge the only person who falls into the ‘Mormon-hating’ category is jenfidel.
No one else.
I ripped petunia a new one over that issue a while back.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Sold yet? Let me guess, that whooshing sound I just heard was you jumping from the Perry camp over to the Paul camp?…/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Dude-I am sooo on it!
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annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Wait until Herb Cain implodes.

huckleberryfriend on October 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM

From what?

Cain doesn’t freak out and start screaming at people. Heck I have yet to read an article where he has raised his voice. When he gets upsets, he walks away.

You really don’t get it. Being a cancer survivor, stage 4, does things to you. You don’t sweat the small stuff and half the time you don’t sweat even that large stuff. You take every day as it comes and smile at the stupidity of everything.

But then I doubt you would vote for anyone who someone else hasn’t sold you on.

upinak on October 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Great assessment. Plus, Herman has been through a lot of life and business experiences, even BEFORE his cancer. I don’t think Herman will falter too much…. the question is whether the establishment will keep force feeding us Romney through massive donations. If Cain gets some money behind him, things will get very interesting….

MikeM on October 1, 2011 at 10:45 PM

I’ve been arguing quite vocally for weeks that looking at what Rick Perry has done is more important thatn what he’s said in the heat of the campaign. So what has Herman Cain done in his capacity as a business leader and private citizen that makes you think he espouses liberalism? Haven’t we been hearing for months in reference to various flavor-od-the-week candidates that “nobody’s perfect?”

gryphon202 on October 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM

I was only highlighting the falsehood of saying that he has said nothing liberal. He has. I have yet to make any decision about Cain. The primary that I get to vote in will either already have him out or have him close to victory.

Perry was someone I was going to support. I wanted to support. I wanted to think was really conservative. he started hedging on some of his more conservative lines, and doubled down on stupid with respect to his less than conservative accomplishments. I still think I would support him in the general unless some of these current scandals turns for the worse on him.

Bachmann kind of overextended herself and while I could still support her in the general, I doubt I would ever get the chance now.

Palin seems to not be getting in, and of all the possibilities, she is the one I want. I just cannot imagine there are any skeletons in her closet that have not already been scoured over in the public eye, so no opportunity exists for me to not support her if she gets into the election.

Every other candidate or talked about candidate would end with me pulling my family to the polls to all vote Obama. Not a one of the remaining contenders remotely gives me any assurance that they have the world view or the desire to actually fix this nations long term diseases.

astonerii on October 1, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Top Cain Aide leaves campaign.

Last I heard the “Cain Train” was 500K in debt. Maybe he’s not paying his staff. He has zero ground game in NH.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

I can assure you-I am NOT a future Palin supporter.
I will vote for her ONLY if she wins the primary. Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I’m sure that made sense…To you…/

Gohawgs on October 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

What is Palin doing with all that money. She just hoarding it for no reason?

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Top Cain Aide leaves campaign.

Last I heard the “Cain Train” was 500K in debt. Maybe he’s not paying his staff. He has zero ground game in NH.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Got a link to that or is it speculation? Why of course it is. The last couple of weeks you’ve been on a roll to trash Rick Perry, I see you’ve changed course.

How about reading the links I posted before spouting crap? Here, I’ll post it again. Sounds Cain got some more experienced help.

Link

Don Surber points out Gordon’s background:

Gordon is a big snag for Team Cain as he has been a contributing columnist and commentator to Fox News, The Washington Times, Human Events and Capital Insider. Since leaving the Pentagon, Gordon has been a Senior Fellow and Communications Consultant to several Washington-DC based think tanks, including Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Americas Forum, Atlantic Bridge, Center for Security Policy and the Liberty & Freedom Foundation.

Oh, and you might want to read this regards to the fundraising…

The buzz coming from the Herman Cain campaign is that they will be the only presidential campaign — including Obama and GOP front-runner Mitt Romney — whose third-quarter fund-raising numbers are better than their second-quarter numbers. (A quarter-to-quarter comparison is not possible for Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who did not launch his campaign until midway through the third quarter.)

Knucklehead on October 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Glenn Greenwald pointed out in the video I posted that 72% of the Bush cases that had judicial review were overthrown, and the conclusion is that Obama’s murder lists are probably not accurate either.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

What is Palin doing with all that money. She just hoarding it for no reason?

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM

She is saving it for the next Bilderberg gathering. All the neo-cons are pooling their money to attack more innocent terrorists!!1!/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

I’m sure that made sense…To you…/

Gohawgs on October 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I’d vote for a cheeseburger over Obama-provided that cheeseburger wasn’t named Ron Paul.
I’m not a Palin fan. I don’t want her to be the nominee. My vote for would be less than enthusiastic. I don’t support her.
understand now?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

She is saving it for the next Bilderberg gathering. All the neo-cons are pooling their money to attack more innocent terrorists!!1!/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Okay-I’m ROTFL!
What exactly does one get on a Bilderberger?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:04 PM

What is Palin doing with all that money. She just hoarding it for no reason?

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM

That money plus Palin and the Tea Party are what is going to win the Senate.

huckleberryfriend on October 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Glenn Greenwald pointed out in the video I posted that 72% of the Bush cases that had judicial review were overthrown, and the conclusion is that Obama’s murder lists are probably not accurate either.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Glenn Grenwald?
You gonna be using Lew Rockwell talking points next?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Maybe it’s like a hamburger at McDonalds.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Palin is probably hoarding the money by tricking her supporters into thinking she’s actually running.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Cain said he would never hire a muslim period then people called him out on it, and he backed down a bit babbling about sharia or some such. Cain wants a loyalty test now as he backed down only to save himself after people called in on him. He also says he thinks communities should be able to ban mosques.

Crazy Muslims & Mosques Comments By Herman Cain

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Sigh. If you keep this up, you will end up voting for Cain. That’s not what he meant and I understand (as do most people) what he meant by his comments.

Top Cain Aide leaves campaign.

Last I heard the “Cain Train” was 500K in debt. Maybe he’s not paying his staff. He has zero ground game in NH.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Wrong again! Updating his staff as he gets more money into his campaign. I hope the same happens for Ron Paul with his haul this quarter. I just hope the money is coming from libertarians and not liberals in Chicago and San Francisco like in 2008.

MikeM on October 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

She is saving it for the next Bilderberg gathering. All the neo-cons are pooling their money to attack more innocent terrorists!!1!/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Husband has made the acquaintance of an early-40ish(my age) Ronulan that he’s been trying to jolt back into reality.
He wants to invite said Ronulan and family over for dinner and I’ve said that I’d rather not have ronulan trash cluttering up my dining room.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Maybe it’s like a hamburger at McDonalds.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Except it is served by a heartless jew loving neo-con who doesn’t even own gold and has never caught a single episode of coast to coast AM.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

What is Palin doing with all that money. She just hoarding it for no reason?

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM

She is saving it for the next Bilderberg gathering. All the neo-cons are pooling their money to attack more innocent terrorists!!1!/

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

We have a winner! Sweeeeet!

MikeM on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Husband has made the acquaintance of an early-40ish(my age) Ronulan that he’s been trying to jolt back into reality.
He wants to invite said Ronulan and family over for dinner and I’ve said that I’d rather not have ronulan trash cluttering up my dining room.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Ronulans are fun to make fun of. Just limit the discussion to domestic policy and everyone should be on the same page.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Except it is served by a heartless jew loving neo-con who doesn’t even own gold and has never caught a single episode of coast to coast AM.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I caught it once.
does that mean that I’m gonna lose my Jooo card?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

I caught it once.
does that mean that I’m gonna lose my Jooo card?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

No. It just means you got your tinfoil hat from walmart and don’t own the Alex Jones 3000 with the lead oxide liner.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Ronulans are fun to make fun of. Just limit the discussion to domestic policy and everyone should be on the same page.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

I told him that if the Ronulan comes over the first subject on the docket will be Israel…and that I intend to wear a Star of David big enough to be seen from space and say certain words with a Jew accent.
Husband ain’t buyin’ threats 2 and 3.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

No. It just means you got your tinfoil hat from walmart and don’t own the Alex Jones 3000 with the lead oxide liner.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Produce doesn’t have any foil. It’ll hafta bee a cardboard box hat.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Kataklysmic,

No way I vote for Cain. I will again support the Constitution Party again (maybe Libertarian party if they get someone better than Bob Barr) if Paul loses.

I’m a conservative not a republican.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:14 PM

No way I vote for Cain. I will again support the Constitution Party again (maybe Libertarian party if they get someone better than Bob Barr) if Paul loses.

I’m a conservative not a republican.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:14 PM

What, no love for Gary Johnson? Help Obama if you want to. Your prerogative. I like Palin but if she doesn’t run or doesn’t win the nomination I plan on voting for whoever the GOP nominee is. If your standard is the candidate must be fine with the GZM, you’re probably limited to Paul or Christie anyway (if the latter runs).

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Who is Gary Johnson?

Must be a minor candidate I’m not familiar with.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Sarah Palin Disses Herman Cain, Lame-Stream Media

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

If this is representative of the quality of your other links, I’m glad I skipped them. Palin didn’t diss Cain. Here, I will copy and paste a comment of mine from the QOTD thread last night just for you:

Let’s take another look at Palin’s original comment about Cain in the Greta interview on Tuesday:

“Take Herb Cain. Look at why he is doing so well right now. He is, I guess you could say with all due respect, the flavor of the week because he is the one up there who doesn’t look like he part of the permanent political class. Herb Cain, he came from a working class family. He’s had to make it on his own all these years. We respect that. That has an automatic connection with the electorate where we say ‘We can relate to him. He knows the problems, the issues that we face every day and he is determined to do something about it.’ He’s not elite. He doesn’t seem to allow us to be disenchanted with what he is proposing, because what he proposes in terms of solutions, Greta, for our economy are based on common sense and time tested truths and common sense and true economic principles that will work. Herb Cain is a good example of a connection with the voters and why his message is resonating with the people”

Wow, she really threw him under the bus! /

In all seriousness, other than screwing up his name (which there is no excuse for) it seemed like high praise to me.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 1:48 AM

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Glenn Grenwald?
You gonna be using Lew Rockwell talking points next?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Greenwald is a notorious liar, anything he says is automatically suspect. Rockwell is a nutter, at least he has an excuse for the flights of insanity.

Adjoran on October 1, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Who is Gary Johnson?

Must be a minor candidate I’m not familiar with.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Former gov of NM. He is the candidate that most other Libertarians like besides Paul. He was in the last debate alonside Paul. You probly didn’t watch it. No need to support those neocons at FOX.

Kataklysmic on October 1, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Greenwald is one of my few favorite liberals. I’d actually like to get him into the senate in one of the blue states.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Max Blumenthal has some great blog posts as well as far as liberals go.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Adjoran: Correct me if i’m wrong please-but isn’t Lew Rockwell the son of this creature?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Cainmentum!

BKennedy on October 1, 2011 at 11:32 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM

I understood perfectly twerp…I was snarking on how you said it “I won’t be a FUTURE supporter but I’ll vot for her is she’s the nominee”…Thus the sarc tag…

Gohawgs on October 1, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Max Blumenthal has some great blog posts as well as far as liberals go.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Then why are you here?

Knucklehead on October 1, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Gohawgs on October 1, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Trying to type while eating chips is hazardous to Dire’s reputation…

Gohawgs on October 1, 2011 at 11:44 PM

So basically the Hot Air reader poll (as well as the Red State one, I think) showed Cain gaining strongly.

Does that mean Palin was correct when she described him as “flavor of the week” after all?

Remember the rapid rise and declines we’ve seen already in Bachmann and Perry (although he just came back to earth instead of crashing). Cain’s sudden surge does bear some similarities – conservative hopes, the need for the “new” face.

Shucks, it’s not like she said the flavor of the week was chocolate or fudge brownie. That would have been in poor taste!

Adjoran on October 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

From Herman Cain’s FaceBook page posted one hour ago.

Herman Cain
I am pleased to announce that I won the Teacon straw poll in Chicago today with over 77% of the votes. Groups were represented from Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan. We are gaining momentum!

Run Herman Run!

Knucklehead on October 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Hmmm. This is kind of funny.

Preferred presidential candidate – Cain, (probably, if the discussions here are indicative) because Perry is for in-state tuition rates for children of illegals in Texas.

Preferred vice-presidential candidate – Rubio, who once sponsored a bill requesting in-state tuition rates for children of illegals.

No, no cognitive dissonance there.

capitalist piglet on October 2, 2011 at 12:28 AM

If consistency is a factor then Sarah wins overall. If Cain can keep up his ratings then we’ve got a new candidate to be reckoned with.

Cain has yet to be Palinized. IMHO, once his closets are opened [EVERYONE has dark issues in their past] we’ll see his supporters start dropping like flies.

I’m just sayin! ;o)

DannoJyd on October 2, 2011 at 12:33 AM

capitalist piglet on October 2, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Exactly.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 2, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Sarah Palin Disses Herman Cain, Lame-Stream Media
Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I’m here ROTFLMAO at the sheer stupidity that particular post represents. First they report on how Sarah states that she did NOT ‘diss’ Cain, then goes on to report on her attack[???] of the MSM. Honestly, can’t you see the magnitude of their folly after reading this?

2. She profits from 24/7 media coverage, exploiting it to remain in the spotlight long after she lost any relevance and despite having no plans to run for office.

[Insert Homer Simpson D'oh! graphic here]

DannoJyd on October 2, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Congrats to Cain!

But I have to say I am more impressed with Palin’s consistency. While other candidates rise and fall at each other expense, Palin’s support is rock solid.

The real shocker is Perry’s decline. Not only his number for the whole field, but also in his match-up with Palin. Just brutal.

Guess he was the “Flavor of the Month” after all.

Norwegian on October 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Knucklehead on October 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM

LOL… if straw polls were the only determinants of nominees, Ron Paul would be President by now.

TheRightMan on October 2, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Cain doesn’t freak out and start screaming at people. Heck I have yet to read an article where he has raised his voice. When he gets upsets, he walks away.

upinak on October 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

It’s hard to raise your voice in an article; however, I have to wonder if “Wake up people!” would be a written equivalent.

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:07 AM

does that mean that I’m gonna lose my Jooo card?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Don’t you lose that after you convert to Catholicism?

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:10 AM

Perry’s sole purpose of public office is to use it to benefit himself, pension, get rich, like Clinton. Clinton made 50 million or so off it.

How long has Ron Paul been on the government teat now? 3 decades isn’t it?

Cain would be slightly better in that sense., but Cain hates Muslims, private property, freedom of speech and freedom of religion so he’s a no go as well.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Whereas Islam is synonymous with freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Greenwald is one of my few favorite liberals. I’d actually like to get him into the senate in one of the blue states.

Max Blumenthal has some great blog posts as well as far as liberals go.

Spathi on October 1, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Coincidentally they both have a fetish for slamming Israel. I’m sure that’s not your sole criteria for finding them so endearing.

mudskipper on October 2, 2011 at 5:05 AM

Hmmm. This is kind of funny.

Preferred presidential candidate – Cain, (probably, if the discussions here are indicative) because Perry is for in-state tuition rates for children of illegals in Texas.

Preferred vice-presidential candidate – Rubio, who once sponsored a bill requesting in-state tuition rates for children of illegals.

No, no cognitive dissonance there.

capitalist piglet on October 2, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Bears repeating…

Lourdes on October 2, 2011 at 5:36 AM

capitalist piglet on October 2, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Identity politics now the standard of the Left AND the Right. Unfortunately.

Lourdes on October 2, 2011 at 5:37 AM

Don’t you lose that after you convert to Catholicism?

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:10 AM

Heck no she doesn’t! A tribesman is a tribesman is a tribesman. It doesn’t matter what her beliefs are.

MJBrutus on October 2, 2011 at 6:39 AM

If consistency is a factor then Sarah Romney wins overall.

DannoJyd on October 2, 2011 at 12:33 AM

MJBrutus on October 2, 2011 at 6:41 AM

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:10 AM

Actually I lost it after I became a protestant years ago. see The religious muslims in Lubbock-yeah there are some. VERY religious-are making me seriously consider returning to Judaism. We’ll see.
Now-I’ve got to get ready to trounce through the mud.
almost 41 and I’m doing an obstacle course through the mud.
To quote the worthless Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon: I’m gettin’ too old for this sh*t! LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

This is not going to help Perry:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/64911.html

and here:
BREAKING – WashPost A1, lower-left corner, “Rick Perry and a word set on stone: The candidate calls the old name of his family’s Texas hunting camp ‘offensive,’ but what he did about it is unclear,” by Stephanie McCrummen in Paint Creek, Tex.: “In the early years of his political career, Rick Perry began hosting fellow lawmakers, friends and supporters at his family’s secluded West Texas hunting camp, a place known by the name painted in block letters across a large, flat rock standing upright at its gated entrance. ‘Niggerhead,’ it read. Ranchers who once grazed cattle on the 1,070-acre parcel on the Clear Fork of the Brazos River called it by that name well before Perry and his father, Ray, began hunting there in the early 1980s. … But the name of this particular parcel did not change for years after it became associated with Rick Perry, first as a private citizen, then as a state official and finally as Texas governor. … As recently as this summer, the slablike rock — lying flat, the name still faintly visible beneath a coat of white paint — remained by the gated entrance to the camp. When asked last week, Perry said the word on the rock is an ‘offensive name that has no place in the modern world.’ …

“In his responses to two rounds of detailed, written questions, Perry said his father first leased the property in 1983. Rick Perry said he added his own name to the lease from 1997 to 1998, when he was state agriculture commissioner, and again from 2004 to 2007, when he was governor. … ‘When my Dad joined the lease in 1983, he took the first opportunity he had to paint over the offensive word on the rock during the 4th of July holiday,’ Perry said in his initial response. ‘It is my understanding that the rock was eventually turned over to further obscure what was originally written on it.’ In response to follow-up questions, Perry gave a more detailed account. ‘My mother and father went to the lease and painted the rock in either 1983 or 1984,’ Perry wrote. ‘This occurred after I paid a visit to the property with a friend and saw the rock with the offensive word. After my visit I called my folks and mentioned it to them, and they painted it over during their next visit. … Ever since, any time I ever saw the rock it was painted over’ …

“Perry’s version of events differs in many respects from the recollections of seven people, interviewed by The Washington Post, who spoke in detail of their memories of seeing the rock with the name at various points during the years that Perry was associated with the property … [One] local who visited the property with Perry and the legislators in those years recalled seeing the rock with the name clearly visible. ‘I thought, “This is going to embarrass Rick some day.”’ … This story is based on interviews with more than two dozen people, including residents, hunters, ranchers, government officials and others … [S]even … said the block-lettered name was clearly visible at different points in the 1980s and 1990s. One, a former worker on the ranch, believes he saw it as recently as 2008.” http://wapo.st/rds2Uj

g2825m on October 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

I do not know what happened to my previous post?

This won’t help Perry:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/64911.html

OR

http://wapo.st/rds2Uj

g2825m on October 2, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Actually I lost it after I became a protestant years ago. see

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

There’s no such thing as losing it! Does an Irishman stop being an Irishman if he converts to Buddhism?

MJBrutus on October 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM

It would be awesome for Cain to win! Cain and Gingrich are my top 2.
I admit, I change a bit from day to day. It’s funny, both of these guys were the two I thought never had a chance. How things have changed.

JellyToast on October 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM

MJBrutus on October 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM

True.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM

The only thing Herman lacks is more recognition. Not just name, but for his principals and plans. He is the only candidate who has a plan combined with SUCCESSFUL business skills and common sense to make them work. Did I say likability? Next to jobs and the economy the people are also going to place a great deal of weight on how someone comes across. That explains how Obama (as bad as his job performance is) can still place in a tea party poll as preferred over Huntsman and Johnson! I have faith that Herman Cain will do nothing but get better and if Obama and company thinks 2010 was bad…We were just getting warmed up.

DanaSmiles on October 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

It would be awesome for Cain to win! Cain and Gingrich are my top 2.
I admit, I change a bit from day to day. It’s funny, both of these guys were the two I thought never had a chance. How things have changed.

JellyToast on October 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Sorry, they still do not have a chance at becoming the nominees. If they were to get close, they will be attacked with such a ferocity that will make Perry’s seem like a cakewalk.

TheRightMan on October 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Heck no she doesn’t! A tribesman is a tribesman is a tribesman. It doesn’t matter what her beliefs are.

MJBrutus on October 2, 2011 at 6:39 AM

I guess it all depends on your definition of “being Jewish”

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Actually I lost it after I became a protestant years ago. see The religious muslims in Lubbock-yeah there are some. VERY religious-are making me seriously consider returning to Judaism. We’ll see.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

I don’t follow. I would assume one’s faith is a personal matter not decided by the cult-like behavior of others.

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I don’t follow. I would assume one’s faith is a personal matter not decided by the cult-like behavior of others.

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I don’t believe that Jews that don’t accept Jesus go to hell. I think they go to heaven anyway.
Kinda makes it hard to be a goy when one think that way.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I don’t believe that Jews that don’t accept Jesus go to hell. I think they go to heaven anyway.
Kinda makes it hard to be a goy when one think that way.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

But what’s your definition of Jew? Anyway, still, my point stands. If you think re-entering Judaism is for you, that’s your decision, but I don’t see why the Lubbock Muslims are causing you to get to that point.

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM

But what’s your definition of Jew? Anyway, still, my point stands. If you think re-entering Judaism is for you, that’s your decision, but I don’t see why the Lubbock Muslims are causing you to get to that point.

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM

islamists consider Judaism to be a race. You know my real name. You’ve seen photos of me. My last name is Irish and my face doesn’t exactly scream Jewish either. Both lie. I was born a Jewish woman. I will die a Jewish woman. I AM a Jewish woman-regardless of what I call myself now.
I’d like to get back into it but West Texas is not exactly a hotbed of Jewish activity. There is one temple in Lubbock-very reformed with a chick rabbi. No fracking way.
There no Chabad either. The closest one is in Austin. I’ve stopped attending Mass. we’ll see where G-d leads me.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM

So Islamists determine who is and isn’t a Jew, then?
Or are you going with your previous statement that one cannot simultaneously be Jewish and an athiest? Or is a Jew at birth a Jew forever?

I’m just trying to figure out which it is.

RachDubya on October 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM

islamists consider Judaism to be a race. You know my real name. You’ve seen photos of me. My last name is Irish and my face doesn’t exactly scream Jewish either. Both lie. I was born a Jewish woman. I will die a Jewish woman. I AM a Jewish woman-regardless of what I call myself now.
I’d like to get back into it but West Texas is not exactly a hotbed of Jewish activity. There is one temple in Lubbock-very reformed with a chick rabbi. No fracking way.
There no Chabad either. The closest one is in Austin. I’ve stopped attending Mass. we’ll see where G-d leads me.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM

I’m still not sure what your definition of “Jewish” is. Anyway, maybe you could start your own Lubbock sect … the Lost in the Wilderness Sect? ;)

MeatHeadinCA on October 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Have you thought about Messianic congregations? There are quite a few in TX… the man I considered my pastor for years (through his TV show, letters, books, and seeing him speak at a local church once), was the late Zola Levitt, a Messianic believer (he also referred to himself as a “Jewish Christian”). He was based in Dallas and started a Messianic congregation there, “Shalom, Shalom”, but there are others.

There might be some info you’d like here:

http://tzion.org/messianic_congregations_in_texas.htm
http://umjc.org/resources-mainmenu-101?catid=85

The only one I found in Lubbock

http://www.communityconnector.net/list-locations.html?task=show&id=250

Take care!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 4, 2011 at 4:08 AM

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