Perry: It’s the federal government’s fault I had to implement in-state tuition

posted at 12:05 pm on September 29, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Rick Perry today employed a new argument for his slightly squishy immigration positions: The federal government’s failure to secure the borders forced his state to take up the issue of in-state tuition for illegal immigrant children in the first place.

“A lot of the problems that we face as governors would go away if they would secure the border,” Perry said on CNBC. “There has clearly been a failure of our federal government. That’s the reason that we’re having to deal with issues like in-state tuition.”

Perry’s three pillars for a secure border: Strategic fencing in metropolitan areas, more boots on the ground and aviation assets to assist border patrol agents.

“We need to have an immigration policy that’s thoughtful,” Perry said. “We’re a rule of law country. We’ve got to have a secure border so that we know who’s coming in and we’re making the right decisions about who should come in and when they should come in and how long they should stay.”

Then, in a subject-concluding statement that sounded anything but weak, Perry promised to secure the border and “end illegal immigration” if elected president.

Perry’s points today make sense. States like Arizona and Alabama, after all, have used the same federal failure argument to justify their stringent anti-illegal immigration state laws. And in making his argument against the federal government, Perry didn’t completely abandon his earlier arguments that (a) in-state tuition for illegals is a state-level issue and (b) it primarily pertains to education policy. He just more effectively parlayed questions about his debatable in-state tuition policy into an opportunity to gin up support for his strong border security stance and his general understanding of the broader immigration issue.

Taken in tandem with yesterday’s walk-back of his earlier accusation that anyone who opposes in-state tuition for illegal immigrants is heartless, Perry’s comments today suggest he is buffing his positions in a hurry. No doubt he’ll perform better in the next debate.


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Lots of squishes in the race, and outside of it.

Keep the House.

Get the Senate.

Hand Obama the re-election on a platinum platter.

Schadenfreude on September 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM

He should have said this last week at the debate.

Pound the Feds for not doing their job because it’s the truth.

Knucklehead on September 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Perry is right, if the Feds did their job we wouldn’t need to worry about incentivizing illegals with in-state tuition in the hopes they complete their citizenship and get off the state dole.

Perry, as a governor, has no powers to deport anyone only incarcerate illegals paid for by the citizens of Texas.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Perry promised to secure the border and “end illegal immigration” if elected president.

Works for me.

LASue on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

I’m dizzy.

SouthernGent on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Thanks Tina – I wanted to see this interview.

gophergirl on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

“There has clearly been a failure of our federal government. That’s the reason that we’re having to deal with issues like in-state tuition.”

No, it’s a failure of our RINO squishes.

faraway on September 29, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Perry is learning the hard way.
Benefits for illegals is the new third rail.

NeoKong on September 29, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Please!
Can’t believe you buy this B.S.!
Perry passing the DREAM Act gave illegals a huge incentive to keep coming here in droves.
You don’t see AZ Gov. Jan Brewer doing any of this & Perry refused to stand with her (but Palin did!) and he also refused to back an AZ law 1070 for TX.

He can’t blame the Feds for what he did.

Jenfidel on September 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Perry promised to secure the border and “end illegal immigration” if elected president.

What do we do with the ones already here?

Why do none of these people advocate taking away the things they bring illegals here to begin with … jobs and benefits?

darwin on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

No, it’s a failure of our RINO squishes.

faraway on September 29, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Yes, at the federal level.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Romney wants to turn off the magnet.

Perry wants to make the magnet stronger.

Got it.

faraway on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Perry could have used this excuse earlier. Now it looks as if his campaign strategists got together and found a good cover for him.

portlandon on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

He has been Governor how long? How long does it take to think up an answer to such a question after being a governor of that State?

What is up with this field?

People who have been in politics over a decade still can’t get answers straight and still can’t give a good reason why THEY, above Joe the Plumber, should be President. This is painful to watch.

ajacksonian on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:09 PM

In the 1990′s the Feds passed a law that allowed the States to do immigration checks. Besides, States can also do E-Verify. There are ways to enforce immigration at the State level if you try hard enough. Perry just wants the cheap labor.

Oil Can on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

If illegals can’t qualify for welfare, since they are illegal, how is them paying in-state tuition going to help keep them off something they don’t qualify for in the first place?

We’re educating people and then what? Sending them back to Mexico since they can’t get a job due to E-verify?

The whole argument is stupid. Perry is a disgrace.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Taken in tandem with yesterday’s walk-back of his earlier accusation that anyone who opposes in-state tuition for illegal immigrants is heartless, Perry’s comments today suggest he is buffing his positions in a hurry. No doubt he’ll perform better in the next debate.

He’s the Governor of a state with the largest southern border, you think maybe he should have thought this through before he decided to run for president?

pugwriter on September 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Perry, as a governor, has no powers to deport anyone only incarcerate illegals paid for by the citizens of Texas.

He could support making E-verify mandatory in his state, like AZ has done. But naturally, he opposes E-Verify.

Jon0815 on September 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM

This might be believable if he’d ever made the argument before. Instead, he praised the legislation to the heavens ten years ago when it passed and did it again just last week when asked at the debate.

So, to recap, not only does he

1) take the wrong position on an issue, he then

2) doubles down on it, while insulting people who disagree, and then

3) comes up with an excuse for having taken that position

4) far too late.

I’d have more respect for him if he stuck with the original position.

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Aren’t these after-the-fact realizations and retroactive rationalizations wonderful? Real leaderly, you know.

rrpjr on September 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

I’m dizzy.

SouthernGent on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Yep.

Dizzy.

I’m so Dizzy, my head is spinning…..

portlandon on September 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Please!
Can’t believe you buy this B.S.!
Perry passing the DREAM Act gave illegals a huge incentive to keep coming here in droves.
You don’t see AZ Gov. Jan Brewer doing any of this & Perry refused to stand with her (but Palin did!) and he also refused to back an AZ law 1070 for TX.

He can’t blame the Feds for what he did.

Jenfidel on September 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM

At least get it right, the DREAM act on the federal level grants citizenship to illegals who are in school. In Texas we’re incentivizing illegals – whom we already pay for as taxpayers – to become citizens by granting them in-state tuition because they would otherwise qualify for it as residents.

DREAM act is diploma = citizen
Texas in-state program is work towards your citizenship and live in state for three years prior to HS graduation = in-state rate.

BIG difference.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

you think maybe he should have thought this through before he decided to run for president?

pugwriter on September 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM

You are so heartless.

faraway on September 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Perry’s right.

J.E. Dyer on September 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Yes!! Yet ANOTHER reason we need a tamper proof National ID card for:

- voting
- any government assistance
- hospital admission (no ID? you get admitted, then deported)
- enrollment in schools
- driver’s licenses (Int’l D/L are available at AAA, to compliment the one from YOUR country or origin)
- did I say voting?
- traveling on an airplane

Khun Joe on September 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM

He can’t blame the Feds for what he did.

Jenfidel on September 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Yup. Unless he can show that all of the other border states were “forced” to pass some form of the Dream Act, his explanation falls flat. Without that to point to, it simply reverts back to a choice made by him, not the federal government.

Kataklysmic on September 29, 2011 at 12:17 PM

If that is his reason, he needs to be able to make the argument in a debate, not try to correct the record afterward. This whole do-over thing for all of them drives me nuts. Obama has it mastered.

a capella on September 29, 2011 at 12:17 PM

In the 1990′s the Feds passed a law that allowed the States to do immigration checks. Besides, States can also do E-Verify. There are ways to enforce immigration at the State level if you try hard enough. Perry just wants the cheap labor.

Oil Can on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Yup, I oppose his stance on that, but the pro-business lobby is quite large and powerful in Texas. Besides, if we do implement e-verify it won’t fix the root problem – the feds not enforcing the law – it would only make more illegals dependent on the Texas taxpayer.

Fix the federal enforcement the rest will, pardon the phrase, trickle down to the state and local levels.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Lame, just lame.

My opinion of Perry sinks a little lower every time he opens his mouth on this issue.

cool breeze on September 29, 2011 at 12:18 PM

If illegals can’t qualify for welfare, since they are illegal,
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Where did you get that idea?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/jul/illegal-aliens-get-monthly-welfare-checks-0

Vashta.Nerada on September 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM

“No doubt he’ll perform better in the next debate.”

Are you sure?

“Ice cream. That is cheap fact…. and then I took a virgin heifer nightridin’ for a while…”

Danny on September 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM

I was prepared to like Perry but his I didn’t mean what you thought I meant when I said the things you thought ypu heard. And if I did it’s someone else’s fault is on the express lane to losing me. It almost seems like how the Obots excuse BO.

katiejane on September 29, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I’m not making excuses for Perry because I wholeheartedly object and am offended by his “in state tuition for illegal aliens” thing in Texas, as I am by similar demands and plans in other states.

BUT he has a bit of a point here, that it’s failure nationwide by the federal that we even have — in whatever state — populations of illegal aliens.

But the states have to start solving this problem on their own because it’s obvious that the federal (as it exists now) is NOT going to come through to do so. They can claim ownership all the want to over immigration but when they’re doing a big job encouraging people to break the law and then rewarding them for doing so (the current situation), well, then, the states are, indeed, empowered by the Constitution to address (“enforce”) against crimes in their boundaries, including as to illegal aliens.

ANY program that provides assistance of any sort to crime is only going to encourage and produce more of that crime. Including illegal immigration. You provide incentives to break out laws, a certain percentage among humanity will then break our laws because of the incentives to do so.

In-state tuition for illegal aliens is incentive to break our laws. It has to be stopped and/or prevented.

Perry’s/Texas’ arguments rationalizing what they’ve done (“if they don’t, the illegals will go on to be dependent on the state”) FAIL because there’s no guarantee that one cancels out the other, AND, they’re still a burden on the state because they’re still in the nation illegally, educated or not.

The goal is to get them out of the nation and returned to their own nations. If they want to live legally in the U.S. afterward they can get in line and apply the legitimate way to enter and for citizenship.

Lourdes on September 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM

The problem here is Perry assumed we’d all understand what he did in Texas and the separation of powers between the Federal and State levels, and based on the comments here, and since this became an issue, he was wrong.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM

He opposes everything that works, and supports everything that doesn’t. Then blames everyone else for his failures. He wasted 400 million dolllars with “boots on the ground” and he and everyone knows it. It was just a payoff for a voting block…cronyism anyone.

wheelgun on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

why doesn’t this Perry show up at the debates?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

There is a cause-and-effect dynamic here. And Perry (“Bless His Heart,” Texas-style) has it backwards.

The reason Central- and South American illegals come to the United States in DROVES is because of both state and Federal incentives like Citizenship-by-Proxy (Anchor Babies), “Family Reunification,” welfare payments, food stamps, free health care, free education [and in-state tuition], ID-free voting rights, and no taxes.

And of, course, the “para espanol, oprima numero dos” Red Carpet treatment, protected by the ACLU and sanctuary cities.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Oil Can on September 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM

I’m involved with business deal with the startup to begin in S. TX.

It is next to impossible to find labor for under $20/hr with guaranteed overtime. You can live on $20/hr a lot better there than you can live on $50/hr in CA, a LOT better.

Your cheap labor argument is shot to HELL.

Kermit on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

A little bit late after calling those heartless pukes heartless, but it works. He should have been ready with this the first time he got hit.

Southernblogger on September 29, 2011 at 12:25 PM

I was prepared to like Perry but his I didn’t mean what you thought I meant when I said the things you thought ypu heard. And if I did it’s someone else’s fault is on the express lane to losing me. It almost seems like how the Obots excuse BO.

katiejane on September 29, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I was prepared to support Perry, too, but he (and the Texas legislature) is just wrong on this DREAM mess, as are others in other states who are pushing the same mess in those other states.

It makes a small population happy in this nation but it completely offends the larger majority of citizens otherwise. There are screaming ethnic-supremacists in various other states but they do not represent the majority of American citizens and most of us can’t stand this sort of catering to an illegality.

Lourdes on September 29, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

Now we have another guy making excuses! Isn’t Obama enough?

Amjean on September 29, 2011 at 12:25 PM

And Romney can use the same excuse:

“If the Federal Government had already had mandated healthcare, I wouldn’t have had to have done it with RomneyCare as Governor of Massachusetts.”

portlandon on September 29, 2011 at 12:25 PM

why doesn’t this Perry show up at the debates?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I’m guessing 9pm is his bedtime.

lorien1973 on September 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM

The problem here is Perry assumed we’d all understand what he did in Texas and the separation of powers between the Federal and State levels, and based on the comments here, and since this became an issue, he was wrong.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM

After watching debates from 1980, it is obvious that Reagan would have been in the same shoes except back then the field was less crowded and more time was allowed for candidates to answer question and actually explain.

This “Jeopardy” type sound bite debate set up for today is plain crapola, and why Bachmann shined before the Ames Straw Poll.

Kermit on September 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Calling those who disagree “heartless” was a much more succinct way of getting his point across or something.

thevastlane on September 29, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Perry’s comments today suggest he is buffing his positions in a hurry.

This does not fill me with confidence. I know I’m inflexible, but I prefer someone who’s right the first time.

SKYFOX on September 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM

why doesn’t this Perry show up at the debates?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Why I’m disappointed in Perry is:

THIS Perry who has shown up appears to be the advised one if not the one repeating what he’s been advised to say,

while…

THE Perry at the debates is Perry on his own.

I don’t object to any politician accepting counsel — for Heaven’s sake, no objection to such — but on these crucial issues that affect our entire nation as to candidate-possible-nominee-possible-President, they really have to know what they mean when they say it on such significant issues. Perry certainly has had enough time to know what he thinks about what’s been done by Texas, and his re-statement now seems contrived and false accordingly.

Lourdes on September 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM

They just told us yesteday he was getting better at saying what we wanted to hear.

It’s not as if this is a surprise or something.

KMC1 on September 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Think of it this way:

When your employer drops your health care plan in the next two years who are you going to blame – your employer or ObamaCare?

Those of you who’ve read HA know it’s going to be because of ObamaCare that your employer drops your coverage because of the burden will be too high and the penalty (fine) is preferable to paying for the increased costs. But this is exactly why the bill was designed in the first place, to move towards single-payer.

Now, in the immigration policy the feds – especially this administration – fail to enforce the laws, causing an increased burden on the states (border state hardest hit). The SCOTUS ruled we have to educate these kids K-12, they even get welfare (yes it’s true), so when the feds fail to enforce the law the states are left holding the bag. Because there are only a few options available to the states to incentivize these people to become productive members of society and earn their citizenship so they can work and contribute to the state’s burden we’re often left choosing unpopular paths.

If you want to blame Perry for not deporting illegals you’re barking up the wrong tree; if you think he’s granting citizenship you’re wrong; and if you think granting less than 1% of Texas college students (the majority enrolled in community colleges) with in-state tuition rates because they live here and have declared their intent to become US citizens is a bad idea I’d like to here what you would do instead. We can either work with the people in our state, because the feds aren’t doing their job, or incarcerate them, and we don’t have enough prisons or tax dollars to do that.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Watch this become a bigger offense to Mexico, than Obama’s F&F.

capejasmine on September 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM

why doesn’t this Perry show up at the debates?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Because he doesn’t know the questions ahead of time.

It takes him a full week to formulate a decent answer, evidently.

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM

The goal is to get them out of the nation and returned to their own nations. If they want to live legally in the U.S. afterward they can get in line and apply the legitimate way to enter and for citizenship.

Lourdes on September 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Would really help if the IRS didn’t issue identification numbers to illegals so they can work here.

itsacookbook on September 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM

After watching debates from 1980, it is obvious that Reagan would have been in the same shoes except back then the field was less crowded and more time was allowed for candidates to answer question and actually explain.

This “Jeopardy” type sound bite debate set up for today is plain crapola, and why Bachmann shined before the Ames Straw Poll.

Kermit on September 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Exactly.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Geeezzzz……Perry, this is such a lie. Perry really believed and still does, in his “immigration stance”.
Trying to blame the Federal government for said beliefs is pathetic.

Oh, and Tina…..”slightly squishy immigration positions”…..seriously?? Do you really believe us to be this ignorant or naive?

Tina, you have lost all credibility.

tencole on September 29, 2011 at 12:33 PM

We can either work with the people in our state, because the feds aren’t doing their job, or incarcerate them, and we don’t have enough prisons or tax dollars to do that.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Amen

Hiya Ciska on September 29, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Rant (Continued from above):

When the 2012 Elections are over, and the GOP controls the House, Senate, and White House, the new administration needs to:

1) Repeal Obamacare

2) Impeach Supreme Court members who’ve enaged in treasonous behavior (Article I and Article III) and replace them

3) Redefine citizenship and voting rights… just like the Cherokee Nation did

VastRightWingConspirator on September 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM

To you folks who are so dead-set against him, I would ask you to try to walk a mile in Perry’s shoes…well, OK, boots, here. Imagine that you are the governor of Texas and you have children in your state, most of whom are going to be US citizens as soon as they are adults, who are here through no fault of their own, and whose presence and that of their parents has been declared all but completely beyond the reach of state law by the federal government. I don’t like the Dream Act either, but I do understand Perry’s quandary.

Knott Buyinit on September 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM

his strong border security stance

Really? Have you been to Texas lately?!

HellCat on September 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Perry has been promoting soft borders all along. What was point of PerryCare, again?

Buddahpundit on September 29, 2011 at 12:36 PM

No doubt he’ll perform better in the next debate.

I’ve heard that twice before already. How low do his numbers have to sink before he takes the debates seriously? Or is that really him at those debates? Like Mulder “I want to believe” but Perry keeps making it difficult to do.

He’s right about this, of course, the federal govt. is not doing one of the few jobs that the Constitution actually demands of it. I feel (as I’ve said before) that he probably has good reasons for several of the decisions he’s made, but it doesn’t matter if he can’t/won’t/is incapable of articulating them.

DrAllecon on September 29, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Illegal is illegal.

However, Romney will grant national amnesty. Don’t bother respond otherwise because I don’t care what any say in the primaries. The general is nearing and they all will pander to the Latino voters, from the left to the right. Yes, that would include SP.

Schadenfreude on September 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Perry promised to secure the border and “end illegal immigration” if elected president.

Works for me.

LASue on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

You guys just kill me…..
this sounds just like Romney promising to end Obamacare if elected President.

It also sounds like someone else we all know who blames Bush for everything, instead of manning up and taking responsibility.

tencole on September 29, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Well, if he’s going to pull a full Romney, as now seems to be the case, I suppose it’s a good sign that it’s on this topic.

Schadenfreude on September 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Yes, but once elected, Romney would have to recalculate for 2016 :D

HitNRun on September 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM

We can either work with the people in our state, because the feds aren’t doing their job, or incarcerate them, and we don’t have enough prisons or tax dollars to do that.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM

We don’t have to offer them in-state tuition rates. That has nothing to do with the Feds not doing their job.

Perry’s new explanation is this: well, the Feds won’t secure the border, so now we have to give in-state tuition rates to the kids who get across.

What???

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Had this been his re-tort o begin with on the immigration questions he wouldn’t be in the position he is in now.

tpw on September 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Your cheap labor argument is shot to HELL.

Kermit on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Do you work in the building, cleaning, general service, trucking, or other unskilled labor? I cab easily hire any in those industries for under $20 per hour with unpaid OT. I know so many cash businesses it’s not funny. It’s all cash and no taxes paid either payroll or income. In fact they just started a 11 agency task force to crack down on the problem.

Unless you are in the computer science or engineering, then ya I would believe your arguement.

Oil Can on September 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Perry promised to secure the border and “end illegal immigration” if elected president.

Works for me.

LASue on September 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Gee, that sounds just like what he said when he was running for gov.

derft on September 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

perry was soooo last month.. time to move on…

gatorboy on September 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Marlee Matlin would have a better debate performance than Rick Perry.

dforston on September 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM

A lot of you guys are choosing the wrong issue to cause you to give up on him.
I’m a legal immigrant (an American citizen now, in fact), and I don’t condone illegal immigration. Having said this, I’m totally comfortable with his explanations on this issue, and his plan to have the federal government enforce immigration laws.
Most of you would rather have illegal’s children (who as Perry said, in large part have absolutely no say in the fact that they now live in the US) be in gangs or on welfare. Given them the chance to become tax-paying, productive members of our society is a very American thing to do. That’s the opinion of an American by choice, of course.
Today you find this little thing on Perry you don’t like, tomorrow it’s something about Christie, the next day it’s something on Palin or Cain, and so on. Granted, people like Bachmann deserve to be out of the race at this point. But a guy like Perry is still totally capable of leading this country to a more conservative direction – yet it seems like you’d rather have Obama than someone that is not “100% pure” in your own eyes.

ChristianRock on September 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM

I see comments here defending Perry for his statements in this video, but you’re way off the mark. He needs to be asked the following questions. I live in Texas, and believe me, if I get the chance to ask him, I will:

If you educate illegal aliens, how are you going to recoup the money?

They can’t legally work in this state and don’t pay taxes, so are taxpayers stuck with the bill for your support of them?

madmonkphotog on September 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Perry’s new explanation is this: well, the Feds won’t secure the border, so now we have to give in-state tuition rates to the kids who get across.

What???

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM

His argument is he has to live with these kids because the feds refuse to secure the borders. Since he can’t deport them, the public policy he has crafted is in the interest of everyone in his state. The citizens of his state have decided they would rather have these kids educated than not. Because non-educated kids cost them a whole hell of a lot more in the cost of crime and incarceration. If the borders were secure, this wouldn’t be an issue because we wouldn’t have these kids in our communities to begin with.

what is difficult to understand about this?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:45 PM

So after the 2012 elections are we going to go from It’s all Bush’s fault to It’s all Obama’s fault?

Some improvement.

Lily on September 29, 2011 at 12:45 PM

“There has clearly been a failure of our federal government”

Okay, so if you had succeeded in implementing PerryCare, you would have dismantled it as soon as the federal government started doing its job? And if it was all to be run by the private sector, you’d expect the private sector to dismantle it as soon as the feds secured the border? I bet it wasn’t advertised as such.

Buddahpundit on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

They can’t legally work in this state and don’t pay taxes, so are taxpayers stuck with the bill for your support of them?

madmonkphotog on September 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

If you live in Texas, then you know that they do pay taxes. Texas doesn’t have a state income tax. They collect sales and property tax. So if they buy something in Texas, they are paying taxes. And unless they live under a bridge, they are paying taxes.

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

If you want to blame Perry for not deporting illegals you’re barking up the wrong tree; if you think he’s granting citizenship you’re wrong; and if you think granting less than 1% of Texas college students (the majority enrolled in community colleges) with in-state tuition rates because they live here and have declared their intent to become US citizens is a bad idea I’d like to here what you would do instead. We can either work with the people in our state, because the feds aren’t doing their job, or incarcerate them, and we don’t have enough prisons or tax dollars to do that.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I have a couple of problems with this. One is the fact that a citizen from Arizona would have to pay more than an **ILLEGAL** person for tuition. There’s something inherently wrong there.

The second is that it’s a “declaration of intent” or a “promise” that they’ll become citizens. We know how “promises” and “declarations of intent” work out sometimes. It would be interesting to know how many of these people actually keep their promises.

kim roy on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Danny on September 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM

“Tuna, Eggs, Doritoes, Cheesecake, Tamale…..See ya”

He..He :^0

tencole on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Imagine you are the governor of a state. You have many known criminals, adult and juvenile, violating federal law in your state, but the federal government will not prosecute them.

Do you:

A) Make it harder for those criminals to operate in your state in the hopes that they will become some other state’s (ideally, some other country’s) problem.

B) Make it easier for those criminals to operate in your state in the hopes that they will become some other state’s (ideally, some other country’s) problem.

C) Do nothing.

Scott H on September 29, 2011 at 12:48 PM

I see comments here defending Perry for his statements in this video, but you’re way off the mark. He needs to be asked the following questions. I live in Texas, and believe me, if I get the chance to ask him, I will:

If you educate illegal aliens, how are you going to recoup the money?

They can’t legally work in this state and don’t pay taxes, so are taxpayers stuck with the bill for your support of them?

madmonkphotog on September 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

The program stipulates that the student must be working towards their citizenship to qualify. So, graduate, fill out the paperwork, pay your dues and pass your citizenship test then you can legally work and contribute.

Most of y’all seem to think these people are just coming across the border today to get into college tomorrow. That isn’t how this works, and the vast majority of these students – and I know because I teach at a community college – have lived here their entire life, so they’re not getting a degree to go back to Mexico because to many of them Mexico is a foreign country.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM

The citizens of his state have decided they would rather have these kids educated than not.

1. I am a citizen of his state.

2. They can be educated without providing them in-state tuition rates if they do not meet the legal residency requirements. They just pay out-of-state tuition like everyone else.

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM

why doesn’t this Perry show up at the debates?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I’m guessing 9pm is his bedtime.

lorien1973 on September 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM

No kidding….give me someone in fighting shape, that ran a 1:46 half marathon and won’t tire during the 2nd hour of a debate.

tencole on September 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Gee, that sounds just like what he said when he was running for gov.

derft on September 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

he never said that because legally he can’t end illegal immigration nor can he secure the borders (at least not totally).

like I said before, ignorant people annoy me.

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I have a couple of problems with this. One is the fact that a citizen from Arizona would have to pay more than an **ILLEGAL** person for tuition. There’s something inherently wrong there.

The second is that it’s a “declaration of intent” or a “promise” that they’ll become citizens. We know how “promises” and “declarations of intent” work out sometimes. It would be interesting to know how many of these people actually keep their promises.

kim roy on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Sounds harsh and cliché at this point, but this is a state’s rights issue. Just because you’re a US citizen does not give you a right to Texas in-state tuition. Only Texas residents, and the state can define that term, qualify for the rate.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:51 PM

1. I am a citizen of his state.

2. They can be educated without providing them in-state tuition rates if they do not meet the legal residency requirements. They just pay out-of-state tuition like everyone else.

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Then why did your state Senator vote for the bill?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:52 PM

If you educate illegal aliens, how are you going to recoup the money?

madmonkphotog on September 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Via the sales tax. Also, by not paying their room and board in prison.

Vashta.Nerada on September 29, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I must say, the idea that any non-citizen of this country is allowed a service that is denied to ANY citizen of this country is completely counter to the entire concept of national citizenship.

Scott H on September 29, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Why educate them at all, if they are illegal. You can’t hire them anyway, right?

ladyingray on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

I have a couple of problems with this. One is the fact that a citizen from Arizona would have to pay more than an **ILLEGAL** person for tuition. There’s something inherently wrong there.

The second is that it’s a “declaration of intent” or a “promise” that they’ll become citizens. We know how “promises” and “declarations of intent” work out sometimes. It would be interesting to know how many of these people actually keep their promises.

kim roy on September 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Sounds harsh and cliché at this point, but this is a state’s rights issue. Just because you’re a US citizen does not give you a right to Texas in-state tuition. Only Texas residents, and the state can define that term, qualify for the rate.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Illegals have to meet the same in-state requirements as someone outside the state.

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

1. I am a citizen of his state.

2. They can be educated without providing them in-state tuition rates if they do not meet the legal residency requirements. They just pay out-of-state tuition like everyone else.

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM

And what incentive do they have then to become legal citizens? You’re forgetting that major point in the program.

It’s not about solely educating them, it’s about allowing them to qualify as Texas residents – which they already do with the exception of US citizenship – to grant them in-state tuition so they become educated US citizens and productive – legal – members of society. Otherwise they go to college, pay a higher rate, then graduate without any chance of getting a job because they’re illegal.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

States can enforce E-Verify. Perry refuses to do even that. As long as he refuses E-Verify, his true intentions regarding illegal immigration are clear for all to see.

Blaming the Feds is such a copout considering that even Romney stopped Massachusetts from giving in-state tuition to illegals and he also got the state police to arrest illegals.

haner on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Agree, you are annoying.

derft on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

But a guy like Perry is still totally capable of leading this country to a more conservative direction – yet it seems like you’d rather have Obama than someone that is not “100% pure” in your own eyes.

ChristianRock on September 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM

I think I understand your argument. But to me, the immigration issue is illustrative of the larger issues with Perry as a candidate:

1) Habit of blaming the Feds when things go wrong, taking credit when things go right.
2) Crony deals drive agenda (in this case desire for cheap labor for his big business supporters, but see also Gardasil)
3) Can’t articulate his positions strongly
5) Insults potential voters who disagree with his positions.

Those are problems beyond his particular stance on immigration (with which I do disagree).

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I must say, the idea that any non-citizen of this country is allowed a service that is denied to ANY citizen of this country is completely counter to the entire concept of national citizenship.

Scott H on September 29, 2011 at 12:53 PM

In-state tuition is granted to Texas residents, and the state makes that distinction. US citizenship is immaterial in that determination if the state deems so. State’s rights is the reason, and I have no problem with that. You don’t have a right to Texas tuition rates if you’re not a resident of the state. Period.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Blaming the Feds is such a copout considering that even Romney stopped Massachusetts from giving in-state tuition to illegals and he also got the state police to arrest illegals.

haner on September 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Romney did not get state police to arrest illegals. And even if he did, what do you do with them? because the feds refuse to deport them so how does arresting them solve anything?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:57 PM

smf: All right, question for you. Are foreign nationals here on a Student Visa allowed in-state tuition after otherwise fulfilling the requirements?

I am 95% sure the answer is no.

I fail to understand how you can be a permanent resident of a state without being a permanent resident or citizen of the country in which the state is contained. And illegal aliens, because they are illegal, are not permanent residents of this country. Ergo, they cannot be a permanent resident of any state, including Texas. And since they cannot be a permanent resident of Texas, they should not be allowed in-state tuition.

Scott H on September 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM

I see comments here defending Perry for his statements in this video, but you’re way off the mark. He needs to be asked the following questions. I live in Texas, and believe me, if I get the chance to ask him, I will:

If you educate illegal aliens, how are you going to recoup the money?

They can’t legally work in this state and don’t pay taxes, so are taxpayers stuck with the bill for your support of them?

madmonkphotog on September 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

it’s massively uneducated responses like this that drive me nuts.

1. Texas has no state income tax. They pay it back through property taxes, sales taxes and being productive members of society.

2. In order to receive this benefit the student has to put themselves on a path to citizenship and become legal residents of the country.

3. How are taxpayers stuck paying the bill when the students are required to pay tuition? This isn’t a government subsidy. The taxpayer doesn’t make up the difference to the university between in-state and out of state tuition.

People need to educate themselves on the issue before spouting off with half-truths and ignorant statements.

tpw on September 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Yup, I oppose his stance on that, but the pro-business lobby is quite large and powerful in Texas. Besides, if we do implement e-verify it won’t fix the root problem – the feds not enforcing the law – it would only make more illegals dependent on the Texas taxpayer.

smfoushee on September 29, 2011 at 12:18 PM

If we enforced E-Verify, the illegals would self-deport. Just look at how many self-deports we’ve had since the recession. The root of the problem is the magnet, not the border or other lame ass excuses about the Feds.

And if Perry is more beholden to his lobby than the sovereignty of the United States, what does that make him?

haner on September 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM

This law on tuition was passed in 2001 not 2011 — get that 2001 but now it is more important than border security where the nitwits think they can just build a fence and be done with it along the Texas border. Doesn’t work that way as for one the Rio Grande doesn’t follow the border, there are two huge lakes in the way along with Big Bend. Border fencing around cities is great but some landowners own land on the other side of the Rio Grande which is lost in the debate.

While the other candidates are trying to tank Perry, my question is how much is Rove’s Crossroads feeding this frenzy. There is no accountability for Crossroads so how do we know how they are spending their money and on which candidates. We know they support Romney but who else?

The candidates yelling the loudest have not even been to the border to see what is being faced in Texas. The drug cartels and Hezbollah are on the border and people are worried about a bill that was passed in 2001 with only four votes against. Four members of the legislature said NO and today it is an issue.

Reaching pretty far I would say. If you want credibility on illegal immigration, get the facts about the Texas border and the fact this law was passed in the spring of 2001 right after Perry had taken over as Governor when GW Bush became President.

PhiKapMom on September 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Then why did your state Senator vote for the bill?

ramrants on September 29, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Hell if I know.

Is this really your argument for why Perry is right on this issue? Because the Lege voted for it?

Missy on September 29, 2011 at 1:01 PM

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