Fox News poll: Romney 23, Perry 19, Cain 17
posted at 6:53 pm on September 28, 2011 by Allahpundit
“Essentially a three-way tie.” Last month, Perry led Romney 29/22 with Cain gasping along at six percent. This is what happens when the big takeaways from your debate performance are (a) you hate your own base and (b) you sound brain damaged.
Cain has benefited not only from his debate performances, but also significant media attention after winning the Florida Republican Party’s straw poll on Saturday.
Perry now garners 19 percent, a drop of 10 percentage points from a month ago. That puts Romney back in the top spot with the support of 23 percent. Last month Romney was at 22 percent.
Newt Gingrich recovered some ground and now stands at 11 percent. Ron Paul receives the backing of 6 percent now compared to 8 percent before the September debates.
Bachmann registers 3 percent support, down from 8 percent in late August and a high of 15 percent in July.
Not to take anything away from Cain, but a chunk of those new supporters are surely coming from voters who have grown dissatisfied with Perry and Bachmann (who’s clearly done) and are turning to the other strong charismatic tea-party conservative in the race. That’s as bright of a green light as Palin could possibly get to jump in. If she enters, she’d fill that same “outsider” niche as Cain but with a vastly greater amount of star power and name recognition. With support for the top tier this soft, there’s really no reason she couldn’t be neck-and-neck with Romney the day she entered. Her problem is that the time pressure she’s facing is about to get more intense: Florida’s on the verge of moving its primary up to January 31, which will have a cascade effect in forcing Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina to move up too. Instead of the caucuses being held the first week of February, they’re more likely to happen the first week of January. Losing a whole month of catch-up time when she’s trying to get organized in Iowa and South Carolina will hurt. Better move soon.
Incidentally, this isn’t the only new poll in which Romney now leads. He’s up six points on Perry in Florida according to PPP (49 percent of Floridians disagree with his “Ponzi scheme” comments versus 37 percent who agree) and he’s up six points on Bachmann in Iowa(!) according to ARG, with Perry now in third. Much depends on how many resources he’s willing to plow into Iowa, but as Bachmann withers and doubts about Perry metastasize, it’s not inconceivable that Romney could … run the table. Imagine it. The part I’m most looking forward to is Paul Ryan, erudite critic of ObamaCare, delivering the keynote at the Republican convention right before we nominate the guy who inspired ObamaCare as our nominee. No, scratch that — the part I’m most looking forward to is how it’ll instantly become a grave sin against conservatism to criticize a guy whom we’ve dumped on for years as King RINO once he’s the nominee. In other words, McCain redux. Fantastic.
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yawn. Old. Tired. Lame.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM
nswider on September 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM
Very true. I hate to say it, but Cain didn’t stand up to the scrutiny thrown his way in May and he won’t stand up to it in October. He wants a new tax, for Heaven’s sake.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Good points.
Dusty on September 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Mitt Romney’s folks are some of the best customers for the weathervane industry.
amerpundit on September 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM
Ten to one most of these Mittwit trolls (Sheryl, Haner, Petunia, etc) are Mormons. Heck, they may even be the same person. They are beyond irrational about him, and often hateful, too.
Stayright on September 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM
She’s made millions of dollars on book sales, speaking fees, and and television. Plus she could write a “tell-all” book promising juicy bits and a mixture of her fans and the rabid anti-Palin left would scoop it up.
amerpundit on September 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Up for the next page.
Link Here
portlandon on September 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM
New Tax? Yes… he wants to THROW out the current system and replace it something that makes sense…
The horror!!
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM
Romney?……
Gaggggggg!!!!
PappyD61 on September 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM
But Reagan was sexy, right?
MeatHeadinCA on September 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM
No, I don’t think any Republican influenced Obamacare. I think the Democrats have been trying to do something like that for years, they tried and failed when Truman was president..they tried and failed when Clinton was president..and when they won the White House and Congress they knew that would be their best bet for getting the votes they needed.
Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Only to Austrians who could not speak German.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on September 28, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Just a couple of points …
The Dimmocritic Party – when Reagan was governor – wasn’t a socialist party back then. Hell – the SOUTH was Democrat – true blue.
Compromise with this current Dimmocritic party – well, I suppose it’s possible and it wouldn’t bother me – on certain things – but only if they are willing to honestly compromise. For instance – I wouldn’t mind a compromise where we seal up the border – THEN do something comprehensive for immigration.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:26 PM
No, smooth and francophonic
MeatHeadinCA on September 28, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Yeah not a smart move. If Perry doesn’t make it and drops out – his supporters are up for grabs. This type of comment doesn’t make people want to rush to his corner that’s for sure.
gophergirl on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
Mitt Romney chained his dog to the top of the family Station Wagon on a family outing!! I mean, is he Clark Griswald?
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
And McCain looked like a bitter old man in his debates and yet managed to trounce Romney, so what’s your point?
Let me take you back in time to June 2007.
OT: Romney, Rudy Win Debates; McCain Loses
History does have a funny way of repeating itself, doesn’t it?
TheRightMan on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
This is primary time. It’s supposed to be bare knuckles. We’re supposed to try and get the most concentrated form of our conservative ideals as possible. So people fight for their guy and gal and tear down others. We got to see it in 2008 among Edwards, Obama and Clinton, and in 2004 with Edwards, Kerry, and Dean. Anyone wanting the job shouldn’t have everyone play nice, because if anyone thinks Obama’s team is going to hit above the waist, their kidding themselves.
Weight of Glory on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
And as we all know, those Mormons are such meanies.
Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
pro-life or pro-choice now? Reagan switched positions.
Pro-amnesty or anti-amnesty? Reagan signed an amnesty bill.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
Thank you. At least we can agree that Reagan didn’t influence Obamacare.
MeatHeadinCA on September 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM
Mitt’s had far worse luck with cars…….
portlandon on September 28, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Yep, Mitt Romney was inspired to change his views on abortion in….(drum roll) 2007!
Just in time for the elections.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM
And I was one of the ones screaming about ANYONE but McCain at that point, and was prolly rooting for Fred!
What your point?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM
Yah – but that gig wouldn’t last too long.
She has to run or she’s ruined. I don’t know if she’ll actually figure this out or not – but it’s true.
Her relevance will evaporate if she says “No I ain’t runnin’” …
There is nothing like the wrath of a Palinista scorned.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Cain sticks his foot in his mouth mere days after his biggest victory. This is what he does, I’m afraid. It’s always up and down with him: he’ll do really well in debates and then say something in an interview that is anything but helpful.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM
I just read on The Weekly Standard that Perry doesn’t play golf, he goes to the shooting range to relax. That will definitely impress my 18-year-old, shooting is one of his favorite activities.
Perry also has 2 dogs, a black one (not sure what breed) and a dachshund. That will go over well with the rest of us, especially my daughter. I’m sure our two doxies like it as well.
Common Sense on September 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Wow, how come this is not common knowledge? Going to read the article now.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Exactly its such a stupid statement. The Mormons I know dont even swear for petes sake. The only hatred and meanness I see is from that poster who made that statement.
nswider on September 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Who let the dogs out?
Why, he will clean up on the black vote!!!!
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:20 PM
carbon_footprint:Lol,and ugh,hey,you had a linky snafu,here ya go!:)
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Mitt Romney – Who Let the Dogs Out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4
canopfor on September 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Not only that, he shoots coyotes who challenge his dogs while jogging.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM
I understand that, and I think you are right. But if people really do not want Romney to win, they need to come up with someone better..not just call him names and call his supporters name and act as if the man were a closet Democrat or something.
Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Yes, Mitt is naturally cool, like Obama!
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:32 PM
Reagan didn’t have the advantage of Mormon upbringing – which is most absolutely unwaveringly PRO-LIFE.
So guys like Mitt – and his buddy Harry Reid kind of sold out their own church by being Pro-Choice.
Reagan’s flip flop was due to education. Mitt’s was due to political expediency.
Next Mittbot talking point please.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:32 PM
So what is this – the 4th Pro-Romney poll today.
He had a huge poll showing a lead in Iowa this morning. Maybe even a bigger PPP Florida poll showing him with a healthy lead there. And there was the little discussed lead a brand new Ohio poll.
And of course this. Getting blogger to admit positive things about Romney is like pulling teeth out of a troll.
swamp_yankee on September 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM
[Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM]
Reading for comprehension is a plus, Terrye. Like I said, different era, different conditions. I’ve changed the degree of my positions based on conditions and evidence having changed since that time, why wouldn’t he have, too?
Dusty on September 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM
Oh please you’re surmising what someone’s religion is without having ever met them; you have no authority to call anyone irrational when writing such things.
For what it’s worth, I’m not a Mormon, I’m Protestant.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM
canopfor on September 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Yes, Mitt is naturally cool, like Obama!
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:32 PM
carbon_footprint:Oy….yup:)
canopfor on September 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM
That’s is debunked b.s. Romney’s campaign spread in 2008 to give him cover for suddenly finding a moral compass so late in life. Redstate.com and others have written on extensively on how that is a gross mischaracterization. But since I assume you are associated with Romney’s campaign, I’m hardly surprised to see you spreading it.
Oh, and how many Hot Air logins do you use? Some of your comments posted on NRO have shown up verbatim here using other names.
Stayright on September 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM
So Dusty does that make you a flip flopper because you’ve changed positions?
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM
Lets just skip to the next Mitt-Hatebot point…
And where is Palin? Oh yeah, that’s right, getting her nails done…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM
Romney 2012 – Younger than McCain!
lorien1973 on September 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM
Reagan thought it was. See some of his audio recordings made just before he became Gov. of CA.
Jason Coleman on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Mittens may be an opportunist hack, but he is one smooth operator. Within a month he has crippled Perry, elevated Perry’s opponents, and splintered the conservative vote… which pretty much means it is all going according to plan for him. Of course, his strategy may have been a little too successful; unless all of the other candidates have submitted to the reality of Romney 2012 and are just chasing the VP slot, there is going to be a Perry-style gangland beating of Romney at the next debate.
Lawdawg86 on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
2012……Need New Blood!
Next!!
canopfor on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Another way Romney is like Reagan, he’s been subjected to gross mischaracterizations as well.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
I have read your comments enough to know you are irrational. Same with Petunia and Haner and a few others.
FWIW, I don’t really believe you are not a Mormon.
Stayright on September 28, 2011 at 7:36 PM
canopfor on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Amen, my friend.
kingsjester on September 28, 2011 at 7:36 PM
Romney 2012 – Flexible on any policy!
lorien1973 on September 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Romney 2012! Like McCain, except without the war hero record!
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM
lorien1973 – 2012 Because I hate Mitt
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Another way Romney is like Reagan, he’s been subjected to gross mischaracterizations as well.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:35 PM
I voted for Reagan. Romney’s no Reagan.
kingsjester on September 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Romney 2012 – Give me a mandate! Or Else!
lorien1973 on September 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM
But did Reagan speak French?????
Knucklehead on September 28, 2011 at 7:38 PM
drballard is my favorite Mitt-wit.
portlandon on September 28, 2011 at 7:38 PM
Not just Perry, but Pawlenty, Rudy, Fred, and every other contender from 2007 to 2011. Even McCain would have lost, but was saved by a deal with Huckabee who sent him some delegates.
He’ll be prepared for whatever they throw at him. Been there. Done that. Plus, he honed his skills in Boston and MA, where Republicans must become tough and sharp. Many of these redstate Republicans talk tough and act tough, but are soft (see one Rick Perry)
swamp_yankee on September 28, 2011 at 7:39 PM
I want to hear more from Cain so far I like what I hear. Would HATE to have to vote for Romney because he’s “electable” and ends up being the guy. I think he’d be worse than George W. at compromising conservative principles and growing government into an even larger slave master than it’s already becoming.
flyfishingdad on September 28, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Romney did not have to cripple Perry, Perry did that himself…and if Christie got in the same people who hate Romney would probably hate him too. I can not think of one person that most of them would actually support. Not a living person anyway…that is their real problem..not Mitt Romney.
Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM
And a small caveat about Romney, there are many, many evangelical, baptists and other denominations in the South that detest Mormonism.
Let the record show, that I do not dislike Mormons, as a matter of fact, I find them mostly disciplined, family-values type of people.
But Romney will cause a lot of regularly conservative voting people to sit out, if he is the nominee.
Just a fact.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM
You mean like – RomneyCare hasn’t destroyed the economy of Massachusettes? LOL.
Look sister – Zombie Reagan won’t save RomneyCare.
Romney is A WANNABEE compared to Reagan.
Reagan bombed his enemies.
Romney “compromised” and “helped” his.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM
How much of what happened to RomneyCare is the fault of the legislature after Mitt left?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:42 PM
And how many illegals got citizenship under Reagan because he compromised?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Well – Mormonism is a fraud … I don’t detest it – but anyone who follows it isn’t considered very intellectual in my eyes. This goes for a few other religions as well. But Mormonism is obviously a fraud – if you read the book of Mormon – any thinking person would realize that.
But I could overlook that – RomneyCare though? Not so much.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Reagan did too compromise. It would be foolish to say he did not. And I don’t think it is fair to say Romneycare destroyed the economy in Mass. I would say Obama did not do it much good, anymore than he did much good for the economies of the other 49 states. It is not as if all of the states have not seen rises in health care costs and unemployment.
Terrye on September 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM
It’s not DiGiorno’s! It’s Cain’s!
TheQuestion on September 28, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Put this in your pipe and smoke. Willard is absolutely lousy on the Second Amendment–and that’s no mischaracterization.
Here are portions of a piece from National Review:
flyfisher on September 28, 2011 at 7:45 PM
I doubt it, you could fill a blow up doll with sand, label it “generic republican” and get people vote for it; just to vote against Obama.
Mitt may piss off you purists, but he has the Independents; and that’s where he is going to win.
His polling is consistent.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
OMG, their using Reagan’s EMTALA law in their defense of Obamacare. It most certainly influenced Obama as it did Hillary.
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
The flaws of RomneyCare were fatal the moment he passed it.
And – you’re point is moot – since Mitt still LOVES his RomneyCare and has not denounced it ever, even once – not even in it’s current configuration.
There are two men in this nation with failed socialist health care systems named after them – Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. I will laugh my ass of if the GOP nominates the only other man in this nation with such a distinction!
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Yes, as a Christian, I have to agree that it is a fraud.
I will say, that after visiting the Temple in SLC, that the people are very peaceful, disciplined and pleasant.
Just like I don’t believe in Islam, the non-extremists of that religion are moral people.
Romney has just changed his positions too many times and with suspect timing. I do not trust him.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Mitt would win – but Obama is so wounded that any GOP candidate could defeat him.
We don’t need Mitt Romney to beat Obama – that’s a red herring. Next.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Portlandon and the rest- who’s your guy? Why?
drballard on September 28, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Please don’t lump me in with “purists”. I am a Perry supporter.
With all of his Gardasil, Texas DREAM Act and Trans Texas Corridor pimples.
Not a purist.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Perry’s wounds are primarily self inflicted. I think you can stick a fork in him. What passes for a conservative in Texas (someone who acts like a cowboy) doesn’t cut it with the rest of conservative America.
bw222 on September 28, 2011 at 7:49 PM
If you’re an atheist, I’m going to caution you away from such attacks.
If you’re just merely a member of another sect, may your games begin.
Jason Coleman on September 28, 2011 at 7:49 PM
Reagan bombed his enemies.
Romney “compromised” and “helped” his.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM
And how many illegals got citizenship under Reagan because he compromised?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM
sheryl on September 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM
No, I would happily support Christie over Romney in a heartbeat. He’s strong on entitlement reform, which is the biggest issue facing this nation. Romney is a hack. He runs to the left on entitlements and to the right on immigration, but I think he would gladly reverse on those two if it would get him the nomination. There is no reason to think he’ll support Ryan-style reform of Medicare once in office. Hell, there is no way of knowing what Mitt will do once in office, particularly if he is faced with a Democrat-controlled Congress at some point. And that is precisely why he has not been able to lock up the nomination.
Lawdawg86 on September 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM
And as an amateur genealogist, I can sincerely say thank you to the LDS for their amazing data and records.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Like McCain?
Sorry, that paradigm is defunct.
rrpjr on September 28, 2011 at 7:51 PM
It’s not Christianity that convinces me it’s a fraud. I actually tried to be a Mormon at one time but there were persistent questions …
Why is the book of Mormon – which was translated from angelic golden plates in New York in the 1830′s … why was it written in the King James language? LOL – no one in New York spoke that way in the 1830′s and the plates were from a time LONG before the King James style of language appeared on this planet.
Right off the bat – problem. There are many others – such as what the lost tribe of Israel “saw” when the reached the Americas – they described animals that weren’t even here when they arrived – like horses and honey bees – LOL – those came MUCH later to this continent!
The angel Moroni, if he existed – would have known that. Joseph Smith – nope.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Do you have that link? I seem to have lost it.
Knucklehead on September 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM
I’m a bit curious here Lawdawg. . . what’s your position on concealed carry, open carry and the 2nd in general?
Jason Coleman on September 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Well since you both agree, I guess that solves that. Man this has turned into an idiotic and hateful discussion. Mormons, those awful fraudulent Mormons, stood up for Marriage when everyone else sat back. These crazy mormons are the most steadfast Republicans in the Country. Utah goes for Republicans in every election, they are patriotic and good people. Half of my family on my mothers side is Mormon. My grandma spends her weekends working at battered womans shelters and making quilts. They dont drink, the believe in family and they believe in Charity which is the pure love of Christ. Im not religious, I take after my dads side, but Im not going to listen to half my family be insulted by people without a clue.
nswider on September 28, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Ancestry.com for starters.
Jason Coleman on September 28, 2011 at 7:54 PM
What? A conservative who COMMUNICATES effectively is moving up in the polls?
Wow!!! What a surprise!! (not)
rickyricardo on September 28, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Well, that makes you more qualified on Mormonism than non-Mormons on this board.
Interesting.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:55 PM
.
I don’t care I wont vote for him if he wins the nomination, were he elected President he’d go back to his liberal inclinations and drag the conservative momentum back to 2006.
And I would rather have Obarry with full control of Congress and expanding control over state legislatures rather then one giant slick pitchman wet two-faced RINO in the WH.
Rachel Miller on September 28, 2011 at 7:55 PM
Bullseye.
rickyricardo on September 28, 2011 at 7:56 PM
No, I have not researched in about two years. Just Bing LDS and Genealogy. You should find it quickly.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Thanks for pointing out how stupid it is to assert someone wouldn’t be supported in a later era based on his positions in an earlier era, without finding out first whether he changed his positions.
The same goes for the amnesty position.
Dusty on September 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM
I’m not an atheist – and I won’t be until they can explain how the big bang created the whole universe spontaneously and from nothing.
I don’t think I’m really Christian either though. I believe a God created this universe – for what purpose – I’m not too sure.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were great Presidents – and they were religion, Christian men. I have no problem for the most part with religious political leaders – some were the best leaders we ever had.
Mormonism – is a transparent fraud. Additionally – I still don’t like the way the church regards Brigham Young as a saint. Brigham Young was a murdering, stealing, pervert who ran a theocracy in Utah with an iron fist.
Yet – Mitt Romney loves the man. Sorry man – I don’t groove to that tune.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Read what I wrote, as a Christian, yes, I see the religion as a fraud. That is built into my belief.
But I also stated that I respect the people and find them much, much more moral and pleasant than the average non-believer. They have great strength in morality, discipline and family values. What is not to like about that? I respect them, I felt very comfortable visiting the Temple and Tabernacle in SLC. The people are wonderful.
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:58 PM
That costs money. LDS has the best of the best with regards to records.
Knucklehead on September 28, 2011 at 8:01 PM
With Mittens we might win the election ( any GOP nominee will) but onc after the election what they will do is the crunch question. Mittens doesn’t know jack sh*t. People are impressed by his pedigree but he left his state in financial ruin. So, he cannot manage the country financially. He’ll fall for every left wing canard. If there’s a financial collapse on his watch, which can very well happen, GOP will be decimated for a generation.
promachus on September 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM
Romney has neutralized Perry. If Perry attacks Romney as a flip-flopper Romney will bring up Perry’s flip-flop on social security. If Perry attacks Romney on healthcare Romney will bring up immigration.
johnt on September 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM
FamilySearch.org is LDS.
I was under the impression that Ancestry lifted all of the LDS data when they were friendly, which of course made them unfriendly.
Jason Coleman on September 28, 2011 at 8:03 PM
carbon_footprint on September 28, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Ok, thats fine I respect that. I mean as a Christian you see Catholicism as a fraud you see Judaism as a Fraud, I get that, you have a different believe system. What bugs me is that I feel like getting into this game of tearing apart peoples belief system is wrong and I feel like these people are unfairly targeted.
nswider on September 28, 2011 at 8:04 PM
Setting aside your ability to read minds, has it occurred to you that Cain might have an alternative to Perry in mind?
whatcat on September 28, 2011 at 8:05 PM
When I was 17 I met some Mormon missionaries. Very impressive. They gave me the book of Mormon and I read the whole thing. I really wanted to be a Mormon – I was impressed with their discipline and politeness – and how they seemed to be impervious to an increasingly evil world.
But the thing is … it was my Dad who kind of saved me. He pointed out to me the problem with the King James language in the book of Mormon and how obviously out of place it was there. He also asked me to look into the Mountain Meadows Massacre – carried out by the Mormon Church against unarmed “gentiles” simply trying to make their way to California. A massacre that every US investigator who looked into the case was convinced Brigham Young had ordered directly. Mark Twain – then a young reporter – concluded Brigham was involved in it too.
And the Church – to this day looks upon Brigham as a saint. He was a pervert and a murderer – and he ruled a theocracy in Utah with violence and an iron fist.
Mormons are nice people – but they don’t look at reality and completely dismiss any contradictory facts.
HondaV65 on September 28, 2011 at 8:05 PM
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