Perry still leading in new CNN poll

posted at 12:56 pm on September 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

After two successive sub-par debate performances, it looked like Rick Perry might have blown his chance to grab the Republican presidential nomination.  According to a CNN poll taken in the three days after Thursday’s debate — including the time when Herman Cain won a surprise victory in a Florida straw poll — Perry still has a significant lead over the rest of the Republican field, with or without Sarah Palin included:

Despite his performances in the two most recent Republican presidential debates, a new national survey indicates that Texas Gov. Rick Perry remains on top of the field in the race for the GOP nomination.

But a CNN/ORC International Poll also indicates that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney does better than Perry in hypothetical 2012 general election matchups against President Barack Obama and matches evenly with the president on the issues and on personal characteristics.

According to the survey, which was released Monday, 28 percent of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP say they support Perry as their party’s presidential nominee, with Romney at 21 percent. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is at ten percent, with Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who’s making his third bid for the White House, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO and radio talk show host Herman Cain, and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, all at seven percent. The poll indicates that Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota is at four percent, with former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania at three percent and former Utah Gov. and ambassador to China Jon Huntsman at one percent.

Palin has flirted with a bid for the GOP nomination, but the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee has not taken any concrete steps towards launching a campaign. Taking Palin out of the mix produces a similar result: 30 percent for Perry, 22 percent for Romney, 11 percent for Gingrich, and all other candidates in single digits.

In fact, it’s rather interesting to see that Perry has pretty much maintained his standing in the field, dropping from 30% to just 28% from two weeks earlier even in a weekend filled with bad news about his campaign.  Romney picked up three points for his best showing of the Perry period in the race.  That still gives Perry a decent if not exactly comfortable seven-point national lead. Perry narrowly leads among independents over Romney (24/21) as well as Republicans (34/23), again more or less as he did before.

Even more tellingly, voters still don’t appear to be looking for another late-entry champion.  Palin dropped by more than half in the last two weeks, from 15% to 7%, and Ron Paul dropped from 12% to 7%.  “Someone else” blipped up a point to 3%, a third of what that choice got in July and half of what it got in August.  Herman Cain picked up a couple of points to tie Palin and Paul at 7% for his best showing in the series, while Michele Bachmann stayed at 4%, down from a peak of 12% in July.  Taking Palin out makes no real difference in vote distribution, either, nor does “Someone else” increase its share from 3%.

Perry’s standing hasn’t changed much in the general election, either.  Among registered voters in the wider sample, Obama beats Perry 51/46, unchanged in the last month.  The same is true for Obama/Romney, the same as August at 49/48.   Those come as Obama’s job approval remains underwater at 45/52 and voters only agree with him on the issues at 46/52.

It looks like voters will be more patient with Perry than perhaps some of the pundits have been.

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Raise your hand if you think Perry will have a better immigration response next debate? Not a flip-flop, mind you, but a response that doesn’t include telling his own voters they are heartless. It will be interesting to watch — and it will probably be the first question out of the gate.

I think Perry gets one more debate to turn this around. If he can’t pull it together, it means he’ll never pull it together and he can’t debate Obama. Then he’ll be toast. Mucho is riding on his next debate.

Rational Thought on September 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Anyone who thinks that any warm GOP body can beat Obama is delusional. Obama is an effective campaigner, has tons of $, the media in his pocket, and legions of union toughs to get out the vote.

Of the current crop of legit candidates (sorry Gary Johnson):

Would definitely lose to Obama: Santorum, Bachmann, Paul. All have a major dose of “TEH CRAZY”

Would probably lose to Obama: Gingrich, Cain (too much baggage, too inexperienced and undisciplined respectively)

AngusMc on September 26, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Even more tellingly, voters still don’t appear to be looking for another late-entry champion.

Bleagh. They’re still not entirely satisfied with the two frontrunners either, otherwise Perry would be sweeping all before him, and not just in some CNN poll.

ddrintn on September 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM

juliesa on September 26, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Terrye doesn’t want a fence and never has. She’s shilling for Romney same as she did for McCain. Look up some of her posts from 2008 and 2010 (Arizona senate race).

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Actually that is not true. And btw, even if it were true, that would just put me in the same place with Rick Perry who is number one because he is a true conservative..right? So what is your point?

I am not pretending to be Michele Malkin when it comes to immigration..I never did. But then again I just think it is ridiculous that so many of the same people who eviscerated people like Kyl or McCain or Bush on this issue are not ready to give Perry a pass.

My brother lives in south central Oklahoma, which is where I was born and raised. I also have a lot of family in Texas. My brother and I have had some intense discussions on this issue, he really is very conservative when it comes to this. And he told me last night that he will not support Perry because he is a typical big money Republican from Texas who has ties to business and business likes that slaver labor. of course I don’t consider it slave labor, because they can leave any time they like…but that is how my brother looks at it..at least he is consistent.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Terrye doesn’t want a fence and never has. She’s shilling for Romney same as she did for McCain. Look up some of her posts from 2008 and 2010 (Arizona senate race).

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM

And I forgot to mention, when I was supporting McCain, it was when he was running against Barack Obama..I was not sitting on the sidelines and promising not to vote for the Republican because he was not pure enough..and back then..what was the alternative? Huckabee? Romney? Did conservatives like them one bit better?

I am not going to apologize for supporting John McCain in that election. BTW, who did Perry support? Oh yeah, that pro lifer Rudy Giuliani. A good guy, but not a strong conservative.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM

It looks like voters will be more patient with Perry than perhaps some of the pundits have been.

I’ll be patient with Perry but my hopes aren’t high for him.

terryannonline on September 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM

And I supported McCain in the senate race just like Sarah Palin did..largely because Hayworth was a joke anyway. He was doing videos on how to get free government money. My God, if people really wanted to defeat McCain, find someone to run against him who is not a fruitcake.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Would probably lose to Obama: Gingrich, Cain (too much baggage, too inexperienced and undisciplined respectively)

AngusMc on September 26, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I don’t buy the whole “too inexperienced” line about Cain…

I’d love to hear Obama raise that in a debate. Cain would likely smile and say something to the effect of “Well, your on-the-job training hasn’t worked out too well, so I understand the concern… ” and then proceed to to elaborate on all the different leadership positions he’s held…

OnlyOrange on September 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I don’t doubt that you feel that way. I just do not trust the man to be honest about what his stance on the issues is. I think he is a phony. I am sorry, it is a personal thing. If I am being unfair, then I am sorry.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:05 PM

If that’s how YOU feel – that’s fine. But don’t insult Perry voters by projecting how you feel on them saying they are “ignoring reality”

gophergirl on September 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Teflon is even more non stickier in Texas

bitsy on September 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM

but the point is that if Romney can not sign onto a health care policy for Mass without it being a national issue..then what would the implications of a state crossing an international border to set up health insurance? After all, it would not just be a state issue if it crossed international lines.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Except that is not the point. The point is that he has flip flopped or given non committal opinions on major issues held sacred by conservatives from the right to life, to the second amendment, to “gay rights”, to immigration, to Reaganism, to AGW. His socialized Medicine is just one hell of a massive straw that broke the already splintering camel’s back. He was also nowhere to be found during the rise of the Tea Party, the battle against Obamacare when Palin made her “Death panels” remark, the passage of the Ryan plan, Arizona’s anti illegal immigration law, Cut-Cap-Balance, and the debt ceiling debate.

You call Perry a phony, yet you support Romney?

Daemonocracy on September 26, 2011 at 6:00 PM

I’ll be patient with Perry but my hopes aren’t high for him.

terryannonline on September 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Pretty much where I am too. I’ll be patient, simply because I have to be.

Daemonocracy on September 26, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I think all in all, that a lot of people have just not decided one way or the other on any of these candidates and the Perry supporters have simply decided that they will ignore reality and stick with Perry anyway.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 4:46 PM

I’m not ignoring reality Terrye, I just disagree with you about RP. And that’s perfectly OK, lots of people here disagree with each other! Have a good one.

kg598301 on September 26, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Exactly. Romney has shown me that he learns from his mistakes.

MJBrutus on September 26, 2011 at 2:38 PM

If Romney learns from his mistakes, he must be a full-time student.

But, it’s always nice to know what our resident RINOs think.

bw222 on September 26, 2011 at 6:06 PM

I’d love to hear Obama raise that in a debate. Cain would likely smile and say something to the effect of “Well, your on-the-job training hasn’t worked out too well, so I understand the concern… ” and then proceed to to elaborate on all the different leadership positions he’s held…

OnlyOrange on September 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I’m not all that concerned about Cain’s potential leadership in office, I’m concerned about his ability to run a campaign and stay on message. Last time he got significant attention he imploded with poorly thought out responses. For example, when he said he wouldn’t tell the public what his Afghanistan policy would be until after his inauguration…

AngusMc on September 26, 2011 at 6:08 PM

I am not going to apologize for supporting John McCain in that election. BTW, who did Perry support? Oh yeah, that pro lifer Rudy Giuliani. A good guy, but not a strong conservative.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM

We ALL voted for McCain, in 2008 so put your badge and violin down. Obama wasn’t running in Arizona’s senate race in 2008 and you don’t even live in Arizona but you couldn’t keep your azz out of that one either, so enough of your “I’m not going to apologize” bullshiite. You’re a shill for any RINO that comes down the pike. Anywhere, any race.

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Arizona’s senate race in 2010.

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 6:16 PM

And I supported McCain in the senate race just like Sarah Palin did..largely because Hayworth was a joke anyway. He was doing videos on how to get free government money. My God, if people really wanted to defeat McCain, find someone to run against him who is not a fruitcake.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM

You are still harping on those videos? How do they compare to the Keating deal McCain made?? Hayworth made a stupid decision when he did those but it wasn’t illegal. You really need to do some indepth research on Keating and the McCains’ involvement with him but you never will because you don’t really care about either the Keating scandal or Hayworth’s videos, you will do ANYTHING to get a RINO elected and that’s all that matters to you.

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 6:21 PM

bw222 on September 26, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Ooooh, you called me RINO. Here’s a news flash, purity is for losers. If you want to play ideologue and check your brain at the door go right ahead. Personally I’m fed up with glib people who turn to the keepers of the conservative gates to tell them just what to think and how to solve every problem in 4 words or less. The type whose ideal candidate is just like they are, fetishists not problem solvers.

No thank you. We need a President who understands the principles and is smart enough to work out the answers, including working with others from both parties to make a workable solution. We have an idiot of an ideologue in the WH right now and we don’t need one with a right hand twist any more than the lefty we have. We need a supply-side economist who is able to explain why supply side economics works and bring along the entire country.

Keep on living your petrified forest of RINOs and DINOs and pretending that your own Amabo candidate of your choice can help. The rest of us are getting on with the business of fixing this country.

MJBrutus on September 26, 2011 at 6:24 PM

So what is your point?

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

My point is that you’re a lying shill who will say anything, do anything for a RINO.

And BTW, I’m not for Perry. I’m just tired of the lying crap you keep writing.

Shay on September 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM

I’m not all that concerned about Cain’s potential leadership in office, I’m concerned about his ability to run a campaign and stay on message. Last time he got significant attention he imploded with poorly thought out responses. For example, when he said he wouldn’t tell the public what his Afghanistan policy would be until after his inauguration…

AngusMc on September 26, 2011 at 6:08 PM

And right there in your comment is the issue most here are refusing to consider.

It is easy enough to appear good by comparison when everyone’s focus is on bringing down your opponent. And I am talking about every GOP candidate who is NOT Perry.

If the last three debates are what passes for debates, then Perry should have just backed out and requested more DeMint-style forums.

Can anyone tell me what Romney’s current stances are on:

1. Obamacare

- Aside from his “I will issue a 50-state waiver on day 1 of becoming President…” mantra, can any of his supporters here guarantee that they trust Romney to truly repeal Obamacare? I am not talking of repealing and replacing with another big Govt. boondoggle. Just a clean repeal… before we look at conservative alternatives like Tort Reform etc…

2. Immigration

- Is Romney for deportation of all illegals currently here? Will he vow not to implement any form of Amnesty? Or how exactly does he plan to deal with the illegal immigration problem.

- He says he will build a border fence. Is this a promise like Boehner’s “Read my lips… I will cut $100 billion from the 2011 budget” only to backtrack? Why do I have this funny feeling that he and his Karl Rove/Peggy Noonan/David Brooks etc… crowd will later be telling the hobbits that they should face reality. Reality being “No Border Fence!”

3. Cut the Size of Govt.

- Is Romney prepared to drastically slash the size of Govt. and eliminate whole agencies as conservatives want? He’s been very evasive on this. Can we have one fr*** debate moderator ask him that question and let us have an answer?

As you can see, these are just three issues and there are certainly more that conservatives are concerned about.

So why can’t we have a debate where the candidates are asked to address these issues instead of devolving to Perry-bashing debates.

What we have had so far in the last three debates have been “Perry said or did this… what do you think?” Why should I care what he did when it is not clear what the other candidates would have done in his stead?

TheRightMan on September 26, 2011 at 6:30 PM

So why can’t we have a debate where the candidates are asked to address these issues instead of devolving to Perry-bashing debates.

What we have had so far in the last three debates have been “Perry said or did this… what do you think?” Why should I care what he did when it is not clear what the other candidates would have done in his stead?

TheRightMan on September 26, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Because Perry is leading and Perry has not put any new ideas out there. If he’s as tired of defending his record as I am of hearing him doing it, he should put some fresh ideas on the table for us and others to discuss instead!

MJBrutus on September 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM

“Palin has flirted” (the last one was “Palin is a tease”)

What a bunch of whimps – you can only hope she runs so the
traffic will be huge.

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 6:48 PM

And I supported McCain in the senate race just like Sarah Palin did..largely because Hayworth was a joke anyway. He was doing videos on how to get free government money. My God, if people really wanted to defeat McCain, find someone to run against him who is not a fruitcake.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Nothing says serious like hobbit jokes.

MeatHeadinCA on September 26, 2011 at 6:49 PM

MJBrutus on September 26, 2011 at 6:24 PM

amen brother!

SauerKraut537 on September 26, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Tom Woods Youtube: Why Conservatives must oppose Herman Cain

Spathi on September 26, 2011 at 6:46 PM

I guess Herman Cain must be digging into Ron Paul support.

MeatHeadinCA on September 26, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Poor Sarah. Now, what the hell does she do? What if that perfect moment never comes? Just throw in the towel?

a capella on September 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM

I think she should snap you in the azz with the towel.

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I hope she never jumps in. It would be a circus and deflect us all from the serious issues facing us. She would be such a distraction for the election and would inflame the left and center in this country too much!

She, like Perry, is too divisive.

SauerKraut537 on September 26, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I hope she never jumps in. It would be a circus and deflect us all from the serious issues facing us. She would be such a distraction for the election and would inflame the left and center in this country too much!

She, like Perry, is too divisive.

SauerKraut537 on September 26, 2011 at 6:56 PM

You have no clue what you are talking about. She would only
“inflame” the idiots; in my opinion that would be a good thing.
I always like a good laugh!

Why don’t you try researching her record – or take some time to
research the 24,000 emails that “inflamed” all the idiots.

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Poor Sarah. Now, what the hell does she do? What if that perfect moment never comes? Just throw in the towel?

a capella on September 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM

I think she should snap you in the azz with the towel.

Amjean on September 26, 2011 at 6:52 PM

:) Now that is funny.

Poor Sarah? She’s been going CHA CHING for over a year now.

Kermit on September 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Because Perry is leading and Perry has not put any new ideas out there. If he’s as tired of defending his record as I am of hearing him doing it, he should put some fresh ideas on the table for us and others to discuss instead!

MJBrutus on September 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Sigh… You’ve been hashing this point over and over today – time to address it.

I guess your point is that Perry should come out with a 59-point plan like Romney’s and talk about it while:

1. Romney demagogues him on everything from Social Security to immigration;

2. Romney’s attack dogs (Bachmann and Santorum) attack him on everything from Gardasil to foreign policy;

3. Romney’s paid media shills attack his “electability” and try to sell us Part 1 million of “The RINO candidate is the most electable” mantra;

4. Romneybots and Bachmann/Santorum supporters, as well as Palin die-hards, populate forums like this one, refuse to discuss Perry’s record, and rather harp on about irrelevancies.

MJBrutus, there is still a lot of time before the primaries start (~ 5 months) – more than enough time for Perry to unveil his vision for America.

In the meantime, will you excuse him and his Team while he engages in a “thousand knife-and-sword-cuts” startegy on Romney. If Bachmann/Santorum and the other candidates are refusing to touch Romney until we serve him up to the Dems, Perry is more than willing to do it.

Perry will expose the fraudster Romney so we see him for who he is. And I am sure by the time he is through, Romney would have supplemented John Kerry as the King of Flip-Floppers.

TheRightMan on September 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM

SauerKraut537

We are only divided if we allow ourselves to be. Look at Palin’s plan and tell me who will be against her? It won’t be the moderate and conservatives. Maybe the extreme left but that is a small percentage. Great opportunity for our country if Palin steps up.

mike_NC9 on September 26, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Nope – she “extended” that deadline to November on Hannity.

HondaV65 on September 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM
No, she didn’t. She never committed to date/running/not running. She talked about influencing from the “sidelines” and lauded those “fighting in the arena”.

Schadenfreude on September 26, 2011 at 1:35 PM

When Hannity said the former Alaska governor would have to decide by November, at the latest, for legal reasons, she agreed — to an extent.

“You do, I mean legally you do,” she said. “But I do think Sean, this is going to be such an unconventional election cycle. … Mark my word, it is going to be an unconventional type of election process.”

Notice she didn’t say “I do”, she gave a generic answer:-)

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 8:42 PM

LOL…

Please contact the law chambers of TheRightMan and Associates if you were at any point in time injected with the evil “Gardasilly” vaccine.

As compensatory damages, we will have Perry build a 200-foot electric fence along the entire Mexican border manned by lions, alligators, and man-eating ‘Nista Chihuahuas…

:)

TheRightMan on September 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM

ROFL!! So funny!!

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Rick Perry is sorta like Michele Bachmann in drag..

idesign on September 26, 2011 at 1:10 PM

You’re sorta like a Jim Jones follower but without the poisoned kool aide.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM

We can’t afford Perry. The stakes are just too high. Obama will rip him to shreds in the debates. He’s not electable. He could be good going around and giving speeches of support for Herman Cain or Sarah Palin but he just is not prepared to run for President.

JellyToast on September 26, 2011 at 9:28 PM

I would hate to see Republicans lose the chance to beat Obama because they ran some faux conservative like Perry. I am sure the media and the Democrats are rooting for him. It might be that things will be so crappy by the election that even Ron Paul could beat Obama..but I would not count on it.

Terrye on September 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM

The Media and the Dems are backing Perry? What planet did you drop in from? You aren’t making any more sense than the last time I responded to you. In fact, you are making less.

I can tell you never read all of the links that I posted for you on your boy Romney, LOL

Romney is not supported by the Tea Party and now he’s insulted the Mexican voters by slamming In State Tuition? Lots of luck, not.

Save your concern for the Republicans.

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Also, the bi-national health insurance was just a move to allow companies to sell insurance that would work on both sides of the border, since people commute back and forth across daily. It was free market solution to allow consumers more choice and businesses to freely design effective policies.

juliesa on September 26, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I agree, in fact I just read about that today. Terrye posts opinions and thinks they are facts. Then when you give her the facts, she ignores you and posts more opinions. I’ve been thru this before and normally don’t respond, until she goes overboard:-)

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 9:53 PM

After all the crap Perry is taking over sticking to his stance on Ponzi scheme, HPV and in state tuition for illegals – I’d say he is pretty damn honest.

Daemonocracy on September 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I agree. I was telling my sister this evening on the In State Tuition issue. Even had he vetoed it, the Legislature would have overruled him. And he could have done that had he wanted cover. However he signed the bill because he supported it and is not backing down.

Also the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2011 for In State Tuition against a lawsuit that California brought.

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 9:58 PM

You’re sorta like a Jim Jones follower but without the poisoned kool aide.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM

LOL, alt

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 10:21 PM

I was telling my sister this evening on the In State Tuition issue. Even had he vetoed it, the Legislature would have overruled him.

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Same with Romneycare. The Dems in Massachusetts had a veto-proof legislature and did in fact override a few of the amendments that Romney vetoed. But somehow I don’t see you using that argument for Romney….

haner on September 26, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Same with Romneycare. The Dems in Massachusetts had a veto-proof legislature and did in fact override a few of the amendments that Romney vetoed. But somehow I don’t see you using that argument for Romney….

haner on September 26, 2011 at 11:25 PM

I havnen’t read the legislation on the MA health care, so don’t know what the language or amendments were. The Texas In-State Tuition Legislation was not too difficult to read. What I was saying tho was that Perry could have vetoed it and it would still have passed, but he didn’t. He signed it because he believed in it.

bluefox on September 26, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Seems like OK made the right decision and as reflected in their Native Unemployment Rate which is only 5.5% (2.7% illegals). Compare that to Texas at 8.1% (9.5% illegals) or Arizona at 9.8% (7.8% illegals). SAlso seems to me that there is a clear correlation with the presence of a significant illegal population as a percentage of the population and high unemployment.

sharrukin on September 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Consider that the Census P1 is “dated” as Dec 2010. IIRC, SB 1070 took effect in August after the 90 day holding period. We all heard reports of illegals packing up and moving to other States or back home. Yet the numbers don’t show significant positive movement.

Also, don’t forget that OK’s law was in effect for 3 years with the P1. So the numbers show “cured” data, as in those with leases unable to renew, work opportunities drying up etc. Plus, this Summer, the SC reaffirmed all major portions of the law when challenged. So if some folks thot they could ride it out or come back – no dice. That said, all of TX illegal immigration growth did not occur from cross-border action, it’s been estimated that probably 1/2 of the OK illegals moved to TX.

Not knocking SB1070, but the legal challenges to it kind of put it in limbo, causing LE, landlords, businesses to wait and see before acting.

AH_C on September 27, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Polls lie.
I’m not saying Perry isn’t in the lead, I’m saying no poll can be trusted. They are paid for by political parties and politically bent newsmedia and groups.

“Polls” do not tighten because of respondents ,as they come close to an election, They tighten because pollsters have to stop lying because they know the only real poll is in the election booth.

Perry could NOT have vetoed the instate tuiton to illegal’s children. The legistlature’s vote for it was veto proof, and almost unanimous.

He stands by what the people of Texas’s state reps wanted.

LeeSeneca on September 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM

I’m far more interested in this Zogby poll that puts Herman Cain up at 28%.

I’m tired of the Perry/Romney debacle. Both are terribly flawed candidates, the former of which had his chance and blew it for me with his heartless comments. He is the second coming of the second Bush term. George W. Bush almost destroyed the Republican Party with his pro-amnesty, big-spending nonsense, and I’ve no reason to believe Perry’s not interchangeable with W, save he lacks Dubya’s good qualities and the ability to speak to a critical audience.

Romney’s flaws have long been worked over so I need not devote space to it here. Neither of these two men bear the standard for the Republican Party, and their time as frontrunners is, mercifully, over.

Herman Cain worked hard in Florida to get some credibility for his campaign, and he has none of the weaknesses ideologically that Perry and Romney have. If fundraising is an issue, a novel idea might be to make a good northern fundraiser like Romney or Christie the VP.

Cain/Romney.

Cain/Christie.

Both have a very nice ring to them.

BKennedy on September 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

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