Palin threatens to sue publisher over new McGinniss book

posted at 9:34 pm on September 26, 2011 by Allahpundit

I understand wanting to hit back at such a nasty book but there’s a reason why celebrities rarely sue tabloids.

“Random House is at the top of the food chain and published a book based upon acknowledged unsubstantiated gossip,” the source said. “The revealing email is key as evidence of this defamatory approach to politics through proxies.”…

Palin’s attorney continues, writing it is “malicious” for Crown to publish the book when they have proof McGinniss and Crown “were fully aware the statements in the book were false, intended to be false, and were intended to harm.”

“The final work that was published contains most of the stories that Mr. McGinniss complains were nothing more than ‘tawdry gossip’ that amounted to the wishful fantasies of disturbed individuals,” Tiemessen writes. “Since both your company, and the author, clearly knew the statements were false, admitted they had no basis in fact or reality, but decided to publish in order to harm Governor Palin’s family, you and Mr. McGinniss have defamed the Palins.”

Tiemessen ends the letter by warning the publishing house not to “delete e mails or destroy records” that may be used in the suit.

Big Government has a copy of the letter. Note the passage at the end suggesting that McGinniss might have inadvertently waived the attorney-client privilege with Random House’s lawyers by alluding in a conversation with a third party to advice they had given him.

If you haven’t already, you need to read two of Andrew Breitbart’s posts from last week to understand the basis of the claim. The first revealed an e-mail McGinniss had sent to an anti-Palin blogger back in January of this year listing six different gossipy allegations about the Palins and acknowledging that “[n]o one has ever provided factual evidence” that they were true. (McGinniss later confirmed that the e-mail is authentic.) The second was Breitbart’s attempt to cross-check those six gossipy claims against McGinniss’s book and show that not only did five of them make it into the final draft, but virtually all of the info McGinniss relied on to support those claims was obtained before January 2011 — which would mean that he still doubted their veracity after his research was more or less complete. Why is all that important? Because: It’s very hard for someone as famous as Palin to prove defamation under the First Amendment. Reporting that’s merely sloppy or negligent in its handling of the facts isn’t enough to create legal liability; if you’re a “public figure,” you need to show “actual malice,” i.e. that the reporter either knew that his report was false or that he published his report with reckless disregard as to whether it was false or not. Hence the importance of the e-mail that Breitbart posted: It’s potential evidence that McGinniss knew he was pushing nonsense and did it anyway.

McGinniss, of course, says there’s less here than meets the eye:

My email to Jesse Griffin was an effort to secure Alaskan help in obtaining further corroboration of allegations about Sarah Palin that came to my attention during my research. My reporting continued beyond the date of the email, and only information that checked out to my satisfaction and that of my publisher was included in the book. Ultimately, I published only those allegations which I found to be credible. Other allegations that could not be sufficiently verified, including some of those referenced in my email, are not in my book.

That’s what the trial would be about, then, if it got that far — how much of what made it into the book was based on stuff McGinniss discovered after that e-mail was sent? It’s possible that he corroborated all five allegations with solid evidence after January 2011, but that would be quite an investigative windfall in a short span of time after having dug for months in 2010 and found nothing. In fact, McGinniss told Dave Weigel a few weeks ago that he excluded 90 percent of the gossip he heard about the Palins from the book because he couldn’t confirm it. Sounds like the allegations in the e-mail were in that group — until suddenly they weren’t. How come?

Another question. Even if she might have a case — and “might” is really the most hopeful estimate given the high bar you need to clear to prove defamation — is it worth pursuing this? I understand the visceral pleasure of punishing a guy who went on a fishing expedition for smears, and there’s value in casting doubt on the book’s claims by threatening a suit even if you don’t follow through. But here’s the thing: The book’s a bust thus far, both financially and critically. Not only did the Times pan it, even Keith Olbermann felt obliged to defend Palin on it. A court battle would kick up free publicity for Random House (“read the book that’s making Sarah Palin sweat!” or whatever) and attract curiosity-seekers, which is precisely why celebs tend to ignore tabloid stories about them rather than sue. And there’s another risk. If she sued and Random House won on grounds that the book’s claims, while false, were the product of merely negligent reporting rather than actual malice, the headlines the next day would read, “Random House wins Palin suit,” etc. Anyone who glanced at those headlines without reading the story might deduce that Palin had lost because the claims had been proved true, not because they were false but had merely failed to rise to the constitutional level of liability for falsehoods. Maybe she’s simply looking for an apology from Random House and would drop the claim if they gave her that?

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If she runs, then you better be prepared for the garbage that is coming her way. It will be worse than in 2008 and worse than what other candidates have to face. Get used to it. I won’t be watching.

Voter from WA State on September 27, 2011 at 12:31 AM

We are prepared to fight against the extreme liberal, whacked
out, communist, socialist, marxist takeover of our country.
When they lie about Sarah Palin, they lie about
all of us.

Some of us will fight; others will crawl under their beds
and hide.

Amjean on September 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Who let You-Gi-Oh back in?

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

csdeven would have no reason to live if he/she had to respond agreeably in a Palin thread.

darwin on September 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Months ago many of who supported Palin but were critical of her resignation, tried to discuss our concerns with you people. What we got was exactly what you frappin lunatics were given your fellow Palin worshiper last night on this thread. ROTFLMMFAO!

And now that the writing is on the wall that Palin has been jerking you idiots along for months, you all of a sudden want to be reasonable?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

You want reasonable discussion? Then you can apologize for your despicable behavior and then we’ll see if the group believes you.

Hahahahaha!!! Notice how Palin, who has been lagging in media coverage, suddenly plays the victim card. And guess what? You Palin loons are sending her your rent money so she can fight the evil that aligns against only her in this world!

LOL!!!

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

This government of ours needs a total overhaul to get rid of
the corruption that controls it. THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS RUNNING OR MAY BE RUNNING THAT HAS THE RECORD OF FIGHTING THIS TYPE OF
CORRUPTION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE IS SARAH PALIN.

Amjean on September 27, 2011 at 10:06 AM

On this I agree.

IowaWoman on September 27, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Let it go, Sarah, and if you’re running, get on with it.

troyriser_gopftw on September 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Palin is a professional victim. THAT is her schtick, and it supports her PAC. The delusional wing of the St Palin the Victimized congregation are as we speak sending their rent money to her so she can combat the eeeeeviiiillllll foces that have fixated solely on her!!
lol

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:33 AM

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csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Insanity.

portlandon on September 27, 2011 at 10:34 AM

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

^^^ Commenters should take note of the extreme emotion. This is a key indicator that this particular commenter has based their entire reason for living on the ability to comment on Palin threads.

It’s akin to an adrenaline junkie. Only by going through the gamut of emotions on Palin threads can this individual “feel” anything. Without Palin, this individual is an empty shell … lifeless.

darwin on September 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Insanity.

portlandon on September 27, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Trying to think back, I can’t recall a more mindless retard. And we had getalife.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:33 AM

You’re a bit late to the party. I replied to you and your kind upthread here

And rebutted the rejoinder here

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Why don’t you just quietly roll over on your stomach, assume the fetal position, and “beg” forgiveness for being you…
OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:27 AM

And they say Palin supporters aren’t as creepy and weird as they used to be.

Pffft.

You-Eh-Vee on September 27, 2011 at 10:42 AM

And they say Palin supporters aren’t as creepy and weird as they used to be.

Pffft.

You-Eh-Vee on September 27, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Thank you for contributing your usual value to the discourse…

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Palin has violated the first law of litigation. Never threaten a lawsuit — file one along with subpoenas for the documents you want. Since Mr. McGinniss is running a business, his e-mails are fair game.

That gives the opposition no time to tidy up. It’s what I did with Ford, and it took Ford less than a day to settle after the suit was filed.

unclesmrgol on September 27, 2011 at 1:25 AM

You have violated the first law of offering an opinion- READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU’RE COMMENTING ON. There is no threat of a lawsuit. Her attorney is using the proper Alaska statute which requires RH to preserve correspondence. If the decision is reached to sue, the prerequisite for preserving the evidence has been exercised.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Your obsession with Mitt, and all things that threaten him is disturbing…perhaps some professional help would be beneficial?
Just a suggestion from someone concerned.

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 10:48 AM

It’s akin to an adrenaline junkie. Only by going through the gamut of emotions on Palin threads can this individual “feel” anything. Without Palin, this individual is an empty shell … lifeless.

darwin on September 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM

You are a bit off…it’s not the “Palin” threads, it is anything that is a threat to Mitt.
He/she was worse with the Fred Thompson threads years ago, much worse…completely obsessed with Fred Thompson and his red truck (until Mitt’s kids got the RV).
But it wasn’t Fred, it was that he was Mitt’s biggest threat.
If it isn’t Palin, than it is Perry, if Cain continues to grow in strength, it will be Cain…
He/she is completely and thoroughly obsessed with Mitt. I don’t know if it is because “it” is Mormon also, or if they are just enamored by his dazzling good looks…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I agree with Professor Jacobson. (I think)

Btw, the title of this thread is inaccurate. As Stacy McCain wrote, the letter is a “demand letter”, not a threat.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Thank you for contributing your usual value to the discourse…

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Well, surely you realize that not every contribution can reach the soaring heights of ‘beg forgiveness for being you/fetal position/palin’s struggle is like 9/11.’

I’ll try harder though.

Cheers.

You-Eh-Vee on September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Initially, csdeven’s Palin related comments weren’t complete until he’she used the word “abdication”. Now his/her comments seem to contain references to other posters being “obsessed” with him/her. Perhaps he/she needs to walk away from the keyboard and seek professional help.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM

I’ll try harder though.

Cheers.

You-Eh-Vee on September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Please do keep trying. You might yet come up with an original thought — or say something meaningful enough to prompt others to think…

I think you’re capable, but it will likely require a focused effort…

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Insanity.

portlandon on September 27, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Years of it. A blight on HA.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Rarely are prospective defamation plaintiffs served up inculpatory evidence on a platter the way McGinniss and Random House have to Palin et al. Bon appetit.

Barnestormer on September 27, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Trying to think back, I can’t recall a more mindless retard. And we had getalife.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM

csdeven’s latest “LOLBWAAHAAHAA!!” really reminds me of the old banned “The Wall” commenter.

portlandon on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

^^^ Commenters should take note of the extreme emotion. This is a key indicator that this particular commenter has based their entire reason for living on the ability to comment on Palin threads.

It’s akin to an adrenaline junkie. Only by going through the gamut of emotions on Palin threads can this individual “feel” anything. Without Palin, this individual is an empty shell … lifeless.

darwin on September 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM

That gamut of emotions? Bwahahahaha!! All any of us do is laugh at you dopes. Laughing at the stupidity of you Palin lunatics is the perfect counter to your blind worship of St Palin the Victimized. Just a cursory examination of the comments by you Palin loons shows that you are the ones who vacillate from ecstasy, depression, anger, melancholy, and every other emotion on a daily basis! LOL! We all see it and laugh at you every time you comment.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Years of it. A blight on HA.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM

But entertaining…at least you get a window into the soul of a Mitt supporter…suggestion, close the drapes…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:11 AM

csdeven’s latest “LOLBWAAHAAHAA!!” really reminds me of the old banned “The Wall” commenter.

portlandon on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Yeah, but thewall/roger watters/final cut was at least entertaining in a cur6 sorta way.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Now his/her comments seem to contain references to other posters being “obsessed” with him/her. Perhaps he/she needs to walk away from the keyboard and seek professional help.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Hahahaha!! Yet here a half dozen of you are discussing csdeven and not the thread topic.

It is you and the rest of your obsessives that need to step away from the computer for a while. Go upstairs and ask your grammy to make you some warm milk and cookies why don’t cha? That is if you’re not afraid of the light that might burn your skin.

Good gravy, you people are priceless! Thanks for being the comedic outlet for the rest of us.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Well, since she’s not a candidate she’s got plenty of time…

*ducks*

catmman on September 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

That gamut of emotions? Bwahahahaha!! All any of us do is laugh at you dopes. Laughing at the stupidity of you Palin lunatics is the perfect counter to your blind worship of St Palin the Victimized. Just a cursory examination of the comments by you Palin loons shows that you are the ones who vacillate from ecstasy, depression, anger, melancholy, and every other emotion on a daily basis! LOL! We all see it and laugh at you every time you comment.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Wow, reread what you wrote…this is not a posting of a well person…honestly, you have gotten more bizarre these past few weeks.
I know you think this is a sarcastic post, but really it isn’t, I think you need some help, you are way to obsessed by this election, and now particularly Palin threads.
I know you are a good person meaning well, but please take care of yourself…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

That gamut of emotions? Bwahahahaha!! All any of us do is laugh at you dopes. Laughing at the stupidity of you Palin lunatics is the perfect counter to your blind worship of St Palin the Victimized. Just a cursory examination of the comments by you Palin loons shows that you are the ones who vacillate from ecstasy, depression, anger, melancholy, and every other emotion on a daily basis! LOL! We all see it and laugh at you every time you comment.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

You’ve become the Stephen Hanks of HA. If you had to face those you so gleefully antagonize, you’d soil your diapers, or more likely, you’d clam up like the sniveling coward we all expect you are.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

But entertaining…at least you get a window into the soul of a Mitt supporter…suggestion, close the drapes…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Childish tedium is not entertainment.

MadCon going off on someone is entertaining.

“Thank you president obama/crr6″ is entertainment

Bwahahaha/rotflmmfao/grammy/abdicate is childish drivel.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Hahahaha!! Yet here a half dozen of you are discussing csdeven and not the thread topic.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

You’re the loud, obnoxious drunk in a bar that revels in the fact that people notice you being loud and obnoxious.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:17 AM

You’ve become the Stephen Hanks of HA. If you had to face those you so gleefully antagonize, you’d soil your diapers, or more likely, you’d clam up like the sniveling coward we all expect you are.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

If you run into someone like this on a street corner, ranting on and on, you would feel pity and ignore them…best maybe to take this tact.
Don’t antagonize a sick person…it is just cruel.

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:16 AM

I was trying to defuse an obviously sick person…I don’t run around making fun of people who are mentally ill, it has reached that point.
Sorry, but that is how I feel, he/she needs help now, not ridicule…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM

If you run into someone like this on a street corner, ranting on and on, you would feel pity and ignore them…best maybe to take this tact.
Don’t antagonize a sick person…it is just cruel can be dangerous.

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Fixed it.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Maybe the irony is that the he/she has become the victim, they say they despise about Sarah…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM

People with thin skins shouldn’t be in politics.

JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Fixed it.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Normally I don’t like people taking other words and doctoring them…but in this case, it happens that I actually typed that first.
Hint: Don’t give out your address…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Fixed it.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Follow up…it sure is hot down here in Brazil…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Sorry, but that is how I feel, he/she needs help now, not ridicule…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM

And that’s fine. For you.

I on the other hand, am no compassionate conservative. I am the heartless kind.

If you treat the child like a child, eventually it will lose interest and go away.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Some of us will fight; others will crawl under their beds
and hide.

Amjean on September 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Others will say “meh, the counry has bigger challenges“.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Follow up…it sure is hot down here in Brazil…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Come on up to Little Diomede. Bring your long underwear. :-)

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM

You’ve become the Stephen Hanks of HA. If you had to face those you so gleefully antagonize, you’d soil your diapers, or more likely, you’d clam up like the sniveling coward we all expect you are.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

I think not. cdseven is a war hero.
/

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:26 AM

I don’t know if anyone else has posted this:

During the 1912 campaign, accusations that Roosevelt was a drunkard began surfacing, though entirely unfounded.

Roosevelt argued that this accusation was merely campaign slander and untrue, but his protestations had little effect. He privately determined that if this lie was ever printed, he would squelch it once and for all.

On October 12, 1912, the newspaper Irong Ore in Ishpeming, Michigan made the mistake of printing that Roosevelt was a heavy drinker and frequently issued torrents of “lies and curses” when drunk. Roosevelt kept his personal vow and immediately filed a lawsuit for libel against the paper’s editor, George S. Newitt.

During the trial–held in Marquette, Michigan, in May 1913–scores of witnesses testified that Roosevelt abstained from heavy liquor and beer and drank only an occasional glass of wine with meals. Newitt was unable to produce a single witness to support his article’s claim, and he offered a retraction and apology.

Fallon on September 27, 2011 at 11:28 AM

I agree with Professor Jacobson. (I think)

Btw, the title of this thread is inaccurate. As Stacy McCain wrote, the letter is a “demand letter”, not a threat.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Apparently it isn’t a “demand letter”, as RSM said, but rather a “litigation hold” notice. From the comments, this is Smokem987:

You don’t know what you’re talking about, Stacy. That was not a demand letter…it was a “litigation hold” notice. A demand letter demands that the other party perform some specific act or payment to avoid a lawsuit. A litigation hold notice puts the recipient under obligation to preserve records that relate to the anticipated litigation. Tiemessen’s letter is quite plainly the latter, and not the former.

/not a lawyer

ornery_independent on September 27, 2011 at 11:33 AM

You’re the loud, obnoxious drunk in a bar that revels in the fact that people notice you being loud and obnoxious.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Nice try moron. You are only bothered by me because you choose to read my comments. The solution for you is to ignore me. But you don’t. And the reason why is because you, like the rest of the obsessive loons, like being contentious. You are a group of powerless self loathing shut ins who live in your grammy’s basement. You think being “tough” on an anonymous blog is going to make your pathetic lives seem important to others. When others point out your derangement, you start to project your behavior onto others.

The sicknesses you people exhibit in this public forum has been well noted by the entire group. We have seen threats of violence, sexual fantasies, sick fantasies about their grammy’s, self hate, and every other psychological derangement expected in people like you.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

…but you are right that it isn’t a threat, it is beyond that. It is actually the required first filing for litigation to proceed.

ornery_independent on September 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I have found that skipping csdeven’s posts and any replies to them makes for much quicker reading of the thread, and NOTHING is missed along the way.

ornery_independent on September 27, 2011 at 11:40 AM

And that’s fine. For you.

I on the other hand, am no compassionate conservative. I am the heartless kind.

If you treat the child like a child, eventually it will lose interest and go away.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I hope you never run into a mentally challenged person…I bet you have a lot of fun with them…
The one phrase I will never run away from is “compassionate conservative”, I might run away from your definition, but being compassionate is an asset, not a detriment.

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM

The truth of the matter is that the Liberals have destroyed any negative affect they could have had against Palin. They have tried so many times to destroy her and her family with lies and innuendo that they have become the boy that cried wolf.
When liberals try to hammer Palin now we equate them to car alarms going off…….no one listens and if they listen they don’t believe.

I for one really like Palin and only learned to like her more upon seeing a feral attack on a good woman and her family.

Sarah, if you are going to run jump in NOW and tell me where to send my donations.

SgtRed on September 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Nice try moron. You are only bothered by me because you choose to read my comments.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!
ROTFLMMFAO!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Hahahahaha!!!
LOL!!!

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

You’re the loud, obnoxious drunk in a bar that chastises people for noticing that you’re loud and obnoxious.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM

You’ve become the Stephen Hanks of HA. If you had to face those you so gleefully antagonize, you’d soil your diapers, or more likely, you’d clam up like the sniveling coward we all expect you are.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

This. He/she/it is by far, of all the brave internet warriors in the world, THE bravest.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM

I hope you never run into a mentally challenged person…I bet you have a lot of fun with them…
The one phrase I will never run away from is “compassionate conservative”, I might run away from your definition, but being compassionate is an asset, not a detriment.

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Isn’t it up to csdeven to check her/himself into a clinic for treatment? That is, unless he/she is under the supervision of his/her grammy or something. Power of attorney, maybe?

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I hope you never run into a mentally challenged person…I bet you have a lot of fun with them

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM

‘Mentally challenged’ people do not have unsupervised access to a computer.

This dickwad is simply a retard.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM

You’ve become the Stephen Hanks of HA. If you had to face those you so gleefully antagonize, you’d soil your diapers, or more likely, you’d clam up like the sniveling coward we all expect you are.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Hahahahaha!!!! I have never threatened violence against anyone here. Yet we have had several do so.

The problem you loons have is that you continually allow your selves to be antagonized by comments no one is forcing you to read. Do you not understand that concept you fool?

Until someone is actually in your face and saying things you cannot ignore, no rational person around here has one bit of sympathy for you.

So grow up, wise up or get a new life. You’ll be happier.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Heh. You said grammy.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:49 AM

So grow up, wise up or get a new life. You’ll be happier.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Tardo, heal thyself!

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! ABDICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:50 AM

What’s worse than posters like csdeven, because for the most part he can be ignored, is the reality that HA management allows obvious disruptive posters to run free and drag threads down into the gutter. I accept that it is their site and have the right to do as they please but that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about it.

katiejane on September 27, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Hahahahaha!!!! I have never threatened violence against anyone here. Yet we have had several do so.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

You’ve called people terrorists.

You’ve also falsely accused people of being violent and then had to recant your accusations.

You have no credibility. At. All.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I didn’t think it was possible for someone to come across as disheveled and wild-eyed on the web, but he/she managed to do it.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

This. He/she/it is by far, of all the brave internet warriors in the world, THE bravest.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Stop whining and grow up.

fossten on September 26, 2011 at 11:04 PM

So grow up, wise up or get a new life. You’ll be happier.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

This dickwad is simply a retard.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Watch it. Someone might paste this as a response to everything you say from now on, pretending that it’s an argument.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

McGuiness is simply a liberal tool. I hope she sues him into poverty. Geez, liberals are such shallow idiots! Point in case above.

ultracon on September 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Retards are funny.

MadisonConservative on April 16, 2011 at 4:55 PM

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Watch it. Someone might paste this as a response to everything you say from now on, pretending that it’s an argument.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Irony.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

You know what, now that I think about it, you’re right.

I take it back.

YOU’RE the bravest internet warrior in the world.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:02 PM

…and so the thread begins to deteriorate into oblivion…

right2bright on September 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Yep, but if the nutjobs don’t win, we lose our country…

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Is a country who considers low taxes, less regulation, and less government power “nutjob ideas” worth keeping?

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Yes. Because it’s our country.

But I definitely take your point.

tom on September 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Irony.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM

…so are you calling yourself out, or are you just that obtuse?

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM

…so are you calling yourself out, or are you just that obtuse?

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Is your e-peen shiny yet? Keep polishing.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:06 PM

This dickwad is simply a retard.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Watch it. Someone might paste this as a response to everything you say from now on, pretending that it’s an argument.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Retards are funny.

MadisonConservative on April 16, 2011 at 4:55 PM

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Watch it. Someone might paste this as a response to everything you say from now on, pretending that it’s an argument.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Irony.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM

At least he’s self-aware.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:07 PM

At least he’s self-aware.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Beam in own eye, meet mote.

Why don’t you go back to insulting my mother – it’s what you’re best at.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I didn’t think it was possible for someone to come across as disheveled and wild-eyed on the web, but he/she managed to do it.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

On the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.

But they can still sniff out crazy….

tom on September 27, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Why don’t you go back to insulting my mother – it’s what you’re best at.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Quite agreed. Additionally, the worst kind of bully is the one that makes themselves out to be a victim. Very leftist.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 9:19 AM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM

At least he’s self-aware.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:07 PM

At least he’s self-aware.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Beam in own eye, meet mote.

Why don’t you go back to insulting my mother – it’s what you’re best at.

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Looks like I dropped by just in time to watch the thread get murdered….

tom on September 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Quite agreed. Additionally, the worst kind of bully is the one that makes themselves out to be a victim. Very leftist.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 9:19 AM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Irony.

You should really stick to slamming commenter’s marriages.

MadisonConservative on September 8, 2011 at 11:24 AM

fossten on September 27, 2011 at 12:15 PM

If you treat the child like a child, eventually it will lose interest and go away.

Lanceman on September 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Bwahahahaha!!!

Which is what I do to you on a regular basis you idiot! And your response is to double down on your recalcitrance!

hahahahaha!!!

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I accept that it is their site and have the right to do as they please but that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about it.

katiejane on September 27, 2011 at 11:54 AM

The worst part are dolts like you. You are now discussing a fellow HA member instead of discussing the thread topic while criticizing the impurity of thread dicussions. How utterly hypocritical of you.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 2:06 PM

no rational person around here has one bit of sympathy for you.

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

{etc.}

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Hmmm. About those rational people–

I have never threatened violence against anyone here

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Dudette, if the threat to ‘LMMFAO’ isn’t a threat of violence to your own mother, the implication is even worse. Do you think you’re posting on the T&A website?

Take your medication.
Renew your prescription.
Call a cab.

Whatever. Just don’t look in the mirror until you’re not addicted to caps, exclamation points, and insulting good people.

rwenger43 on September 27, 2011 at 3:06 PM

No point in reading this thread any longer.

As with too many on this board, BTW. I still miss Captain’s Quarters.

MrLynn on September 27, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Her attorney is using the proper Alaska statute which requires RH to preserve correspondence.

NoNails on September 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Thereby avoiding The McGinniss Book of Hurled Records.

Barnestormer on September 27, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Good gravy, you people are priceless! Thanks for being the comedic outlet for the rest of us.
csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

the rest of us?

You mean that you aren’t sitting in the basement in a wig with an unshaven face and lipstick but you have dolls perched in little wooden chairs too?

How many cats ?

Well, if your next session of autoerotic asphyxiation doesn’t do you in I’m sure I can expect more lunacy

Sonosam on September 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM

rwenger43 on September 27, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Why are you obsessing on me? Isn’t there a thread topic that is more interesting than me?

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Sonosam on September 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM

I’m glad to see I was able to shame you into ceasing the threats of violence. Your grammy should be happy. HEY! Maybe if you ask her real nice she will make you some warm milk and cookies!

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Your Grammy wants her girdle back

Sonosam on September 27, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Random House (“read the book that’s making Sarah Palin sweat!” or whatever)

But Allah, it’s Random House. There is such a thing as corporate identity. The potential tack you sketch isn’t a storied quality book-seller unafraid to publish controversy (add a few hurumphs), it’s … the Enquirer.

I don’t think they want to be anywhere near it. Corporate identity is the long game. They would only trade the long game for short-term gain (selling one moribund title) if they were being steered by quacks.

Old gray-headed patriarch in the back room is usually rich, smart, and careful, i.e., prone to “settle.”

*** if I’m repeating someone, I apologize. There were so many comments, I couldn’t read them carefully ***

Axe on September 28, 2011 at 3:50 AM

We finally have a fighter, and people want her to “just go away”…

Boggles the mind….

OnlyOrange on September 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Been thinking about that for a while. I think those people are scared of her, what she might do. She’s not predictable, so those guys walk up to her slowly and stare. And after they’ve stared a while, we ask “what do you think? are you willing to tell everyone you support her? i.e., are you willing to go out on a limb for her?” They might actually want to, but they don’t completely trust her. They know she’s capable of making them look like complete idiots as much as she’s capable of doing them proud. Hope on one side, fear on the other. So they don’t pan her, and they don’t support her.

And then we say something, sadly, equivalent to this: “Dare to believe!”

… and “Palinista” is born.

Something like this seems to be happening thread after thread, conversation after conversation. I’m not sure what to do about it.

Palin could fix it.

Hey Sarah, you read Hot Air? You should; you’d feel better. Do some things you probably hate — just for a while. Talking to reporters that write down what you say and print it in places no one you need to reach will ever read it is not going to do it. You need to give speeches in front of national cameras. All day. Everyday. You need to go Horowitz. You need to go (apologies) Obama. It looks like your real hurdle is calming the skittish, and you can only do that by not screwing up for a long period of time—while they are watching you not screw up.

Axe on September 28, 2011 at 4:34 AM

#echo

Let me put it a different way: To suggest that the vicious attacks and smears that emanated from certain segments of the media were because of anything in particular that she said or any particular opinion that she held, would be putting the cart before the horse. They attacked what she said because they couldn’t stand her. The general antipathy came first, the specific attacks came afterwards.

Kind of interesting.

Axe on September 28, 2011 at 6:38 AM

Why are you obsessing on me? Isn’t there a thread topic that is more interesting than me?

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:45 PM

I am generally not on the threads enough to maintain a running dialogue with the regulars. While I read many threads I am not usually current on the discussion.

Of all the weird stuff going on in our world right now, conservative solutions are usually matters of degree that don’t prompt my input. But 2 overwhelming truths emerge:
1) the Obama Administration is systematically destroying the quality of life for everyone in this nation; and
2) the person who defeats Obama will have the opportunity to use the best combination of life experience/political skill/leadership skill to turn that inertia into beneficial reforms. That person is Sarah Palin. And it isn’t close.

I read the Palin boards. Along with others I defend our privilege to support her, intellectually free and emotionally free of pathetic garbage motivations. Yet every time I find you here, like a bottom-feeder in the aquarium, stirring up as much s*** as you can.

Obsess on you? While respecting your right to expression, and hoping for your future moderation in behavior, not moderation in passion, I have at times simply tried to commend you when you behave and reason well on other threads so you can become aware of how awful you behave on the Palin threads.

I do the same thing in reverse to commenters I agree with.

rwenger43 on September 28, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Palin is a professional victim. THAT is her schtick, and it supports her PAC. The delusional wing of the St Palin the Victimized congregation are as we speak sending their rent money to her so she can combat the eeeeeviiiillllll foces that have fixated solely on her!!
lol

csdeven on September 27, 2011 at 10:33 AM

If Sarah Palin was a professional victim, she would’ve been a Democrat. oh, and not just Any ol’ Democrat, but a “new age” Democrat who bitches and moans and groans and whines about race- and sex- and age- (and who knows what other kind of) “ism” that her Democrat PAC pals could’ve dreamed up, every time She didn’t get what She Wanted, when She Wanted it. and then She would’ve started some sore of “Attack Watch” website – Bullhorn Not Included, of course. aww.

Teddy on September 29, 2011 at 8:31 PM

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