Great news: Obama tax hike plan derailing supercommittee talks

posted at 10:50 am on September 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Presidents are never irrelevant, unless they choose to make themselves so.  And even when a President starts spouting tax policy that the opposition party in the House absolutely rejects, as well as a significant portion of his own party in the Senate, he carries quite a bit of weight.  In fact, it can start resembling an anchor:

As if expectations were not low enough for the special Congressional committee charged with writing a deficit-reduction deal, they seem to be falling by the day as the two parties harden their positions on spending and taxes.

Last week began with contradictory markers from President Obama and Speaker John A. Boehner. Mr. Boehner reiterated that Republicans would oppose any tax increases, and then Mr. Obama, newly aggressive, warned that he would veto any measure that would trim Medicare benefits without also raising taxes on the wealthy. …

Against that backdrop, few in Washington see a politically realistic way for the 12 members of the joint House-Senate deficit committee, six from each party, to meet their mandate to identify at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reductions over 10 years. People in both parties worry that the panel, which plans to meet privately this week, could fall far short of that goal or deadlock altogether, with potentially damaging economic consequences.

Remember the heady days of “hope and change”?  That was Obama’s argument that only he could change the way Washington worked as an outsider with few obligations to the Establishment.  How voters bought that notion from a Chicago Machine politician is a matter for future psychiatrists and comedians, but Obama’s jerk to the Left and the embrace of old class-warfare arguments and policies appear to have derailed any serious attempt to curtail deficits, at least for the short term.

In order to avoid the disastrous cuts to defense spending, it’s likely that John Boehner would have had to accept some “revenue increases” in exchange for discretionary spending cuts, and Democrats would have had to absorb more cuts than they wanted to protect Medicare.  The deal cut in August put those onerous consequences of failure on the backs of both parties in order to encourage an everyone-hates-it-equally deal in November.  Thanks to Obama’s grandstanding, Boehner can’t back down on revenue increases, and Harry Reid can’t give way on any significant cuts other than the phantom cuts outlined in Obama’s plan, without either giving the appearance of having caved in the negotiations.

Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) rightly notes that Obama had another path open to him — comprehensive tax reform rather than class-warfare attacks on the wealthy.  Comprehensive tax reform could raise revenue by broadening the tax base while lowering the rates by flattening the personal and corporate tax codes, giving both sides political wins.  Boehner even offered revenue increases of $800 billion over ten years with this strategy in mid-summer.

Instead of reaching across the aisle, Obama derailed the negotiations then, and he’s derailing them now by insisting on raising taxes as a recession approaches — or perhaps has already arrived.  That’s neither hope nor change, but demagoguery and obstructionism.

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

The best case scenario right now is if Congress completely ignores the President.

hawksruleva on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

So basically Obama’s plan is going exactly as scripted.

Get him OUT!

gophergirl on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

HE’S “ALL IN” AND IN CAMPAIGN MODE!!

Khun Joe on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

We tried to warn you stupid Republicans to not negotiate with those terrorists.

SouthernGent on September 26, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I hope he doesn’t start complaining about it. What would the CBC say?

CurtZHP on September 26, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Instead of reaching across the aisle, Obama derailed the negotiations then, and he’s derailing them now by insisting on raising taxes as a recession approaches

yeah, but we built that Intercontinental Railroad so, no matter what the derailment, we can surely get back on track.

ted c on September 26, 2011 at 10:56 AM

as the two parties harden their positions on spending and taxes.

wait, you mean the various parties to the negotiations had not already formed up their positions on tax policy even before the committee was established? You mean that the GOP is ONLY NOW deciding that tax hikes are not acceptable? The leadership of the GOP was open to the idea of negotiated tax hikes before this? Who knew?

What changed their minds?

Skandia Recluse on September 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM

HE’S “ALL IN” AND IN CAMPAIGN MODE!!

Khun Joe on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

When has he not been in campaign mode?

chemman on September 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Implosion. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. You gotta love it.

[Gawd, how I can't wait until 2013 when we have a REAL President in the White House.]

UltimateBob on September 26, 2011 at 10:59 AM

I sure wish you’d post the video of David Plouffe and Chris Wallace from yesterday. Wallace had him on the ropes with all the “accounting gimmicks” in King Barry’s plan.

It Chris Wallace at his best. My mind was blown at the lies and stupidity.

Knucklehead on September 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM

As though the supercommittee should be taken seriously to start with.

mankai on September 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM

We need a Super-Duper Intercontinental budget committee!

Rovin on September 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Instead of reaching across the aisle, Obama derailed the negotiations then, and he’s derailing them now by insisting on raising taxes as a recession approaches — or perhaps has already arrived. That’s neither hope nor change, but demagoguery and obstructionism.

What did you expect? He’s never left campaign mode (that’s the only thing he’s good at), his whole political existence is campaign mode — which makes sense because he’s a Community Organizer! What does a “community organizer” do? Agitate, prevaricate, get people stirred up and then use that emotion and anger to bludgeon a target into submission. Want a bank to give out subprime loans to your constituents? Call them racist, use class warfare to stir up resentment and anger, then use that anger a a weapon to scare the bank into compliance — accompanied by lawsuits and sit-ins to ratchet up the pressure until they capitulate. Remember, this is the president that wants his followers to “punish your opponents,” “get in their faces,” “make it personal” and agrees with his followers to “take out the bastards.”

He’s a race baiting, angry demagogue. He’s never been a uniter, never reached across the isle to compromise — and he never will so long as he thinks that bullying people into submission will work.

EasyEight on September 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM

President Mayhem.

Kissmygrits on September 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Great news: Obama tax hike plan derailing supercommittee talks

From my point of view, this actually IS great news!

This so-called “Super Committee” is nothing more than a sure-fire means to arrive at a Super Screwed version of the usual government-caused disasters this congress is so fond of foisting upon us, all the while providing Obammy cover for his skinny economically illterate @ss. What else could be expected of a committee whose members include Patty Murray and John F’ng Kerry?????

Good riddance, I say!!.

VelvetElvis on September 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM

HE’S “ALL IN” AND IN CAMPAIGN MODE!!

Khun Joe on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM
When has he not been in campaign mode?

chemman on September 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Inaguration Day, 2009…

Khun Joe on September 26, 2011 at 11:12 AM

So basically Obama’s plan is going exactly as scripted.

Get him OUT!

gophergirl on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Exactly. With his ratings in the dumper and no hope of being able to do anything to improve things in the next year, he had to do something that would remove any possibility that the bipartisan committee could come up with anything. So he changed the game.

That committee was formed just before The One went to The Vinyard for his Summer Vacation. His jobs plan was announced as he returned from that vacation.

Let’s see a show of hands from those who think there is no connection between the committee’s creation and its expansion?

EconomicNeocon on September 26, 2011 at 11:13 AM

The super committee was a joke from the getgo, and have no fear about a government shutdown, Boehner will give it up like a cheap slut. The conclusion is so cut and dry that the dog and pony show isn’t even worth paying attention to.

FloatingRock on September 26, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Obama is Kryptonite to the Super Committee…

right2bright on September 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Ignore Obama. If the panel falls short of its goal, either delay or override the cuts (both options are doable).


Former CBO Directors Say Spending-Cut Trigger May Fire Blanks

youngTXcon on September 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Boehner will give it up like a cheap slut. The conclusion is so cut and dry that the dog and pony show isn’t even worth paying attention to.

FloatingRock on September 26, 2011 at 11:13 AM

You keep saying that, yet it never happens…Boehner has done nothing but push Obama around.

right2bright on September 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM

I’m really tired of having an America Hating Communist in the White House. I just hope there aren’t enough stupid voters to give this America Hater another four years. It’ll take decades to reverse the damage this Commie has done. He killed America a thousand times more than Bin Laden could have ever hoped to.

adamsmith on September 26, 2011 at 11:18 AM

The best case scenario right now is if Congress completely ignores the President.

hawksruleva on September 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Exactly what we should do! Let’s pass stuff send it to the Senate and let them send it to the President. If he wants to veto, then he can look like the baffoon who is preventing jobs.

jeffn21 on September 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

As if the supercommittee was going to accomplish anything anyway.

Jus’ kickin’ the can a bit futha down the road…
cuz that’s all he knows how to do.

coldwarrior on September 26, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Exactly what we should do! Let’s pass it to stuff send the Senate and let them send it to the President. If he wants to veto, then he can look like the baffoon who is preventing jobs.

jeffn21 on September 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

harry red is preventing that from happening.
Somebody needs to stand up and scream this at the top of their lungs.

VegasRick on September 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I sure wish you’d post the video of David Plouffe and Chris Wallace from yesterday. Wallace had him on the ropes with all the “accounting gimmicks” in King Barry’s plan.

It Chris Wallace at his best. My mind was blown at the lies and stupidity.

Knucklehead on September 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Chris Wallace probably needed a couple of good stiff drinks after that mindf*ck.

The pretzel logic coming out of this White House is enough to drive you insane.

UltimateBob on September 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Hey ease up on Obama. He’s been too busy hob nobbing with Hollyweird millionaires and Lady Gaga.

sandee on September 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM

“Boehner has done nothing but push Obama around.”

Other than making Obama wait a night to give his joint session campaign speech, how has Boehner pushed “Obama around”?

ncjetsfan on September 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Right now!

cmsinaz on September 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM

It’s like rats crawling their way past each other to get off of a sinking ship.

gwelf on September 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM

That’s neither hope nor change, but demagoguery and obstructionism.

And right out of the Alinskyite/Cloward-Piven playbook, creating problems that eventually add up to a crisis.

irishspy on September 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Obama wants the supercommittee to fail, because that event essentially puts Obama in charge.

Failure of the supercommittee renders the legislative branch of government totally useless and irrelevant. (Actually, it was the budget cap-busting legislation creating the supercommittee which destroyed the legislative branch.)

landlines on September 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM

But…but…JEB BUSH says to be nice.

mobydutch on September 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Not by design, right?

Speakup on September 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Obama wants the S.C. to come up short on a deal. That means he will be “force” to cut the military, which he wants to do. He will then say to the American people, I am sorry but I am forced by law to cut the military budget. If those stupid Republicans have only agree to have the rich pay their share then the military would not have been cut.
Obama would have been happy to say those lines.

BroncosRock on September 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM

My friends, the President is a great man who won the election, I am sure he is just doing what is best for the country and has my full support
—The Maverick

Koa on September 26, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Thanks to Obama’s grandstanding, Boehner can’t back down on revenue increases, and Harry Reid can’t give way on any significant cuts other than the phantom cuts outlined in Obama’s plan, without either giving the appearance of having caved in the negotiations.

Ed, you’re overlooking the very glaring point that during the last round of negotiations, Obama did no real grandstanding and nonetheless the right wing shot down Boehner’s ‘grand bargain’ because it included some higher taxes, aka ‘compromise’.

There’s no sign that the Dems will kill an agreement with greater entitlement – spending cuts. The question is whether the right wing can govern in a modern democracy where legislation depends upon the capacity of opposing parties to reach agreement by negotiating and compromising on their positions.

bayam on September 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM

The absurd hole in the entire ‘super committee’ premise is that anything they do will ever be enacted! Even the default position of doing NOTHING will result in NO CHANGES to 2012 or 2013 over spending! The entire underlying premise of this idea was to kick the can down the road beyond the current congress, or presidents, hands.

Political theater while they all continue to spend 1.6 TRILLION in deficits for the next year!

Freddy on September 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM

My friends, the President is a great man who won the election, I am sure he is just doing what is best for the country and has my full support
—The Maverick

Koa on September 26, 2011 at 11:42 AM

PS: I helped him win.
-Mav

arnold ziffel on September 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Ed, you’re overlooking the very glaring point that during the last round of negotiations, Obama did no real grandstanding and nonetheless the right wing shot down Boehner’s ‘grand bargain’ because it included some higher taxes, aka ‘compromise’.

There’s no sign that the Dems will kill an agreement with greater entitlement – spending cuts. The question is whether the right wing can govern in a modern democracy where legislation depends upon the capacity of opposing parties to reach agreement by negotiating and compromising on their positions.

bayam on September 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM

This is a re-hash of unprovable claims by undefined sources. There was NOTHING written down and nothing was agreed to. For all anyone actually knows, those guys just sat around and talked about their golf games.

Freddy on September 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if the SC came together and unanimously recommend repeal of Obama Care? There’s your $1.5T right there. And a big FUBO to the preznit…

Key West Reader on September 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Ed, you’re overlooking the very glaring point that during the last round of negotiations, Obama did no real grandstanding and nonetheless the right wing shot down Boehner’s ‘grand bargain’ because it included some higher taxes, aka ‘compromise’.

There’s no sign that the Dems will kill an agreement with greater entitlement – spending cuts. The question is whether the right wing can govern in a modern democracy where legislation depends upon the capacity of opposing parties to reach agreement by negotiating and compromising on their positions.

bayam on September 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM

that is such a delusional rememberance of what just recently happened as to be amusing. You are allowed your own opinions, as idiotic as they usually are, but stop trying to create your own facts out of whole cloth. I understand you are blinded by partisanship, but please. At least pretend to live in reality on occassion. teh only queston is whether the biggest idiot to ever occupy the WH and his party are willing to act like adults and compromise. That is entirely unlikely.

It is sad how you cling to your delusions.

Monkeytoe on September 26, 2011 at 12:15 PM

This is a re-hash of unprovable claims by undefined sources. There was NOTHING written down and nothing was agreed to. For all anyone actually knows, those guys just sat around and talked about their golf games.

Freddy on September 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

No, that isn’t true. Bayam’s lies are provably false, as the 2 sides had reached an agreement, which included revenue increases, and the very next day Obama walked in and demanded even more revenue increases – killing the deal he himself had agreed to the previous day.

As far as grandstanding, taht too is provable that Obama did nothing but grandstand, as during the course of the negotiations, he was the biggest partisan hack spewing class warfare our there. Obama never wanted a deal, he wants to try and run against an “intransient” GOP (and idiots like Bayam just ignore reality and soak it up). Unfortunately for the libs, nobody is buying such obvious garbage and idiot O’s poll #’s reflect that.

Obama is the most classless, unpresidential idiot to have occupied the WH during my lifetime, and that includes Jimmy Carter. He is like a petulent child who pouts and has a tantrum when he does not get his way. he does not have an adult bone in his body.

Monkeytoe on September 26, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Dang. Unfortunately AttackWatch.com doesn’t have the ability to do a mass reporting. I’ll have to spend the whole day entering individual names.

katablog.com on September 26, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Obama is the most classless, unpresidential idiot to have occupied the WH during my lifetime, and that includes Jimmy Carter. He is like a petulent child who pouts and has a tantrum when he does not get his way. he does not have an adult bone in his body.

I’m guessing President Pull-Ups is not on your most liked list.

Obama has made Bill Clinton’s dalliances look fairly benign.

katablog.com on September 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Of course! It’s not the GOP’s Protect the Wealthy From Taxes At The Expense of Everything Else policy, it’s Obama’s plan that’s the problem.

Constantine on September 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Somebody needs to stand up and scream this at the top of their lungs.

VegasRick on September 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

as conservatives we’ve been doing that for sometime. but we are voices crying in the wilderness. a famous man once said a prophet is without honor in his own country. nobody listened to Isaiah and Jeremiah so you can bet they wont listen to us. and on top of that we have nobody in congress or the media to make our voices heard except in a derogatory manner.

abcurtis on September 26, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Protect the Wealthy From Taxes At The Expense of Everything Else policy

Surely you jest while knowing that the “wealthy” pay a HUGE portion of all taxes paid and that 47% of Americans pay NO federal income tax.

katablog.com on September 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

According to the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, the 1 percent of households with the highest incomes pay 38 percent of federal income taxes. The top 10 percent pay 70 percent of federal income taxes. Meanwhile, 46 percent of households pay no federal income tax at all.

And the president thinks that the wealthy aren’t paying the fair share?

Read more:

katablog.com on September 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Ed, you’re overlooking the very glaring point that during the last round of negotiations, Obama did no real grandstanding and nonetheless the right wing shot down Boehner’s ‘grand bargain’ because it included some higher taxes, aka ‘compromise’.

There’s no sign that the Dems will kill an agreement with greater entitlement – spending cuts. The question is whether the right wing can govern in a modern democracy where legislation depends upon the capacity of opposing parties to reach agreement by negotiating and compromising on their positions.

bayam on September 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM

You are either a liar, or poorly misinformed…
The fact is, the House has passed several bills, and several bills were proposed, all with negotiated terms, Obama made the threats and moved the goal posts…along with that, it has been Reid who has threatened gov. shut downs, not Boehner.
Obama promised not to raise taxes, just a couple of weeks ago, a promise he has made several times and broken.
And as far as negotiating, in any democracy compromise is part of the “dance” and the Republican’s will compromise. They said no taxes, well we compromised and said taxes with offsetting reduction in spending, that was refused…the liberals are the ones who want increase taxes, and an increase in spending…now who is the one that is not compromising?
The liberals want it all, tax increase and spending increase…we want to control out of control spending, that’s it, just control spending, you choose what area, just control spending…get it? Control spending, what is so difficult about that concept…we are going broke, control spending…that we won’t compromise on, nor should anyone who is going broke.

right2bright on September 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM

9-9-9, so far the most logical and easiest plan to understand is Herman Cain’s…not perfect, but a heck of a lot better than what we have, and better than what anyone else has proposed.

right2bright on September 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM

How voters bought that notion from a Chicago Machine politician is a matter for future psychiatrists and comedians

A combination of desperation and stupidity. Along with a compliant MSM that wanted an “historic” election. And it will certainly figure in the history books – an incompetent and corrupt administration.

As for Barry and comprehensive tax reform – ain’t gonna happen. Because the reform will have to address that 47% who pay no taxes. And that 47% votes Democratic (go figure). Barry needs their votes next year.

GarandFan on September 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Mr. Obama already cut Medicare by 500 BILLION Dollars. That is why he is adamant about raising taxes, because his budgetary gimmicks in Obamacare will come home to roost very soon. Without a new ponzi scheme participant, the house of cards will come tumbling down.

eaglewingz08 on September 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Surely you jest while knowing that the “wealthy” pay a HUGE portion of all taxes paid and that 47% of Americans pay NO federal income tax.
katablog.com on September 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Hey, as long as you’re honest that you feel it’s an issue of fairness… but the GOP doesn’t state it that way. They put forth all kinds of nonsense about “job creators” and hurting the economy.

Constantine on September 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM

bayam: I see that the modern era for you started, at the earliest, as the day after ObamaCare passed the House. There was certainly no negotiation leading to compromise (at least where the GOP was concerned) on that bill.

BTW, I also reject Hegelian dialectics in principle.

Constantine: The next time I receive a job from someone who makes minimum wage, I’ll concede that you have an argument. Not necessarily that the argument is true, but that it is an argument at all.

Scott H on September 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM