Excellent. We’re paying millions to dead federal workers

posted at 9:45 am on September 24, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

It’s no secret that, under the right circumstances, you can do pretty well for yourself if you land a job with the federal government. And if you stay there long enough, you can set yourself up for a nice, secure retirement situation until you die. But did you know the party doesn’t have to stop just because of a pesky detail such as reaching room temperature? You can keep right on cashing in!

The federal government pays out millions of dollars to dead people each year — including deceased retired federal workers, according to a new report.

In the past five years, the Office of Personnel Management has made more than $601 million in benefits payments to deceased federal annuitants, according to the agency’s inspector general. Total annual payouts range between $100 million and $150 million.

Inspector General Patrick E. McFarland, who previously reported on the improper payments in 2005 and 2008, urged OPM to more closely track such mistakes.

As Doug Mataconis points out at Outside the Beltway, we’re not talking about a staggering amount of money here in terms of the total federal budget, but in today’s toxic atmosphere regarding waste and spending, this is going to be a problem for somebody.

It’s actually quite inexplicable considering that one branch of the Federal Government actually does a fairly decent job of cutting off benefits after death. The Social Security Administration is well-known for sending notices to banks immediately upon learning of a recipients death — something that happens very quickly nowadays since deceased person’s Social Security Numbers are immediately reported as such by the relevant authority in the jurisdiction where they live — and also recouping payments after death on a pro rata basis. Why the OPM is unable to do this?

The other issue, of course, is that there’s some actual fraud going on here. Family members who continue to collect benefits after a retiree dies are defrauding the Federal Government. Since the odds of recovering anything from people like this years after the fact are minimal at best, it strikes me that the best deterrent would be to start prosecuting these people and send the message that defrauding Uncle Sam comes with consequences.

Well, that’s a bit unfair, don’t you think? I mean, in Chicago the dead can vote. How do you expect them to pay for gas to get to the ballot booth if you cut off their retirement benefits?

All jokes aside, this isn’t a new problem. We’ve known about it for years and the story pops up from time to time. (Particularly during a heated election cycle.) The real question, as Doug notes, is how has the OPM failed to make any serious inroads in eliminating it yet when Social Security has been so much more effective in tackling the problem. I assume that each retiree’s social security number is on record and somehow associated with their account. We’re not living in the era of dusty log books kept in hand written records. Do you mean to say there isn’t a way to automatically report the fact that the person has died to OPM as soon as Social Security knows about it?

If anyone from that office is reading this today, perhaps they should take a quick look at this video.

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It’s hard to tell the dead ones from some of the live ones.

Akzed on September 24, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Trimming away that government waste, I see. Any muffins included in this deal?

a capella on September 24, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Yet this is the same gov’t that conservatives somehow trust to oversee a vast empire. The same gov’t that is incompetent in relation to the social state disaster is the same one that you deify to bring about world democracy. Bureaucrats do not become gods when they wear uniforms. They are plagued by the same incompetence as your standard faceless bureaucrat looting the productive and handing it to the unproductive. I wish conservatives would learn this lesson. War is socialism.

Soonerliberty on September 24, 2011 at 9:53 AM

It’s okay. The dead still vote in every election… for Democrats.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Wow, talk about job security: you really cannot be fired.

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 9:55 AM

They will stop paying them when they stop voting for democrats

BuckNutty on September 24, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Oops… Didn’t read the whole post… but the dead do vote, make no mistake.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 9:55 AM

If the money is being direct deposited in a dead man’s bank account can the government just reclaim it?

If someone is cashing a check of a dead relative or something, they should be forced to pay it back and suffer legal consequences (though they won’t because Democrats applaud this sort of behavior).

zmdavid on September 24, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Justice of the Peace: “I hearby pronounce you man and wife, till death do you part.”

Government agency manager: “I hearby pronounce you a beaurocrat, forever.”

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 9:57 AM

At this amount of money, I have to assume it’s on PURPOSE.

golfmann on September 24, 2011 at 9:57 AM

No surprises here. My mother-in-law died and it took nearly 2 years for us to get the feds to stop sending checks.

Rightyismighty on September 24, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Do you mean to say there isn’t a way to automatically report the fact that the person has died to OPM as soon as Social Security knows about it?

sounds like a glitch!

ted c on September 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM

It’s hard to tell the dead ones from some of the live ones.

Akzed on September 24, 2011 at 9:47 AM

So now I understand why it takes so long to get my driver’s license renewed…

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Don’t worry though….They’ll be really efficient with your health care…

Tim Zank on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

So now I understand why it takes so long to get my driver’s license renewed…

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Apparently not…. hint, the feds don’t issue driver licenses

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

As to the dead receiving federal pension payments, I have written federal officials before about this issue with what I believe would be a good, practical solution; time to do it again.

Since we have Social Security offices in just about every county in the US, on a weekly basis an employee could gather the information on who died, social security number, date of birth and residence address within their area of responsibility and input it into a national data base. Every state, local and federal department would have controlled access to check if people drawing ANY benefits are deceased. This doesn’t require a huge new department, just existing government employees doing their job.

Of course, I have never received any feedback in the past. But it is obvious this has not been done and this is a logical use for computers to run one data base against another.

amr on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Inspector General Patrick E. McFarland…urged OPM to more closely track such mistakes.

TRACK?

TRACK?

I’m going to go out on a limb here. How ’bout we stop making these mistakes?

pain train on September 24, 2011 at 10:06 AM

So the Post Office really is going to hell. Must be zip code 66666.

Rod on September 24, 2011 at 10:07 AM

amr on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

not a bad idea in theory. The obstacle is the fear of putting all information into one database and the security/privacy implications.
Eventually your idea will be a reality — just need the computer security technology to support it.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:07 AM

I paid into the system and I want my money back no matter how long it takes!

NotCoach on September 24, 2011 at 10:09 AM

So now I understand why it takes so long to get my driver’s license renewed…

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Apparently not…. hint, the feds don’t issue driver licenses

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

I believe the point is that government at all levels is incapable of doing their jobs.

I once lived in Alberta where AAA was assigned with the task of handing out license plates and renewing licenses to its members. No waiting in line, no time wasted for paperwork – in and out in under 10 minutes. That’s what happens when the private sector runs things. Maybe someone in this country will adopt this concept. Billions would be saved in inefficiencies and lost time.

honsy on September 24, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Hmmmm. You’d think that as close as Obama is to the Google, they could figure out how to avoid these mistakes.

Technology. It’s hard. Like peace…. that’s hard too.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Apparently not…. hint, the feds don’t issue driver licenses

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Touché.

Tzetzes on September 24, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Yet this is the same gov’t that conservatives somehow trust to oversee a vast empire.

Soonerliberty on September 24, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Yeah, it’s so difficult to oversee Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa. You’d think that it would be easier after divesting our vast empire of Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and the Panama Canal Zone.

Bigfoot on September 24, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Well the problem is that the SS Death Index is just so hard to use.

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi

And that’s just a 3rd party source. The government COULD get a direct line.

GarandFan on September 24, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Doug Mataconis points out at Outside the Beltway, “The Social Security Administration is well-known for sending notices to banks immediately upon learning of a recipients death.” Learning of a recipients death! Funeral homes are to report deaths to the SS office, but do they do this. Counties and cities maintain records and papers print deaths. Ed, you came close to what I believe iis needed.

I have written federal officials before about this issue with what I believe would be a good, practical solution; time to do it again.

Since we have Social Security offices in just about every county in the US, on a weekly basis an employee could gather the information on who died, social security number, date of birth and residence address, compare it to the reports within their area of responsibility and input it into a national data base. Every state, local and federal department would have controlled access to check if people drawing ANY benefits are deceased. This doesn’t require a huge new department, just existing government employees doing their job.

Of course, I have never received any feedback in the past. But it is obvious this has not been done and this is a logical use for computers to run one data base against another.

amr on September 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM

And that’s just a 3rd party source. The government COULD get a direct line.

GarandFan on September 24, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Be careful what you ask for. To fix a 120M a year problem the gov creates a massive database that is not vetted for security costing billions and billions…

Kind of like the shoe bomber and the TSA scanners. Shoe bomber incident occurs, Chertoff (former bush appointee turned lobbyist) represents one of the companies George Soros has ties to. Contract let for 500M even though they specifically point out the scanners would not have stopped the shoe bomber.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Inspector General Patrick E. McFarland…urged OPM to more closely track such mistakes.

TRACK?

TRACK?

I’m going to go out on a limb here. How ’bout we stop making these mistakes?

pain train on September 24, 2011 at 10:06 AM

The IG is gonna really be hard nosed on this one, huh?

a capella on September 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM

They’re not dead, they’re just resting. Pining for the fjords, as it were.

SlaveDog on September 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM

I pay dead people.

WashJeff on September 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM

I remembering hearing how a similar system of fraud in Iraq was used by corrupt officers to continue to collect checks for AWOL or non-existent soldiers.

Is there anyone besides me here that suspect maybe the real beneficiaries of these payments is not the families but UNIONS & corrupt department leaders?

C-Low on September 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM

So who is cashing these checks, and why aren’t they in jail yet?

This is stupid on the governments’ part, but let’s not forget that it’s illegal on the other end of the transaction. It’s called fraud, people.

But hey – like Fast & Furious and Solyndra, no one will ever be held to account – we know this, right?

Midas on September 24, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Is there anyone besides me here that suspect maybe the real beneficiaries of these payments is not the families but UNIONS & corrupt department leaders?

C-Low on September 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Probably not… how do the unions tie in? Department leaders would be reported by at least one of their workers as there is generally someone who doesn’t like them and just needs a reason.
What you generally have are families that continue to collect the checks. Some report the mistake as noted earlier in the thread and some don’t. Even Japan is having trouble with its SS system for this kind of problem.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Not much of a surprise…

Another reason for NATIONAL ID CARDS and the constant cross referencing data bases, especially with the Registrar of Voters…

Which will never happen in Cook County, Illinois…

Khun Joe on September 24, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Seems only fair. After all we allow them to vote, especially in Chicago.

patch on September 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM

I know that the VA runs a death match with the Social Security for this reason. Unfortunately, I think it is only done annually…

entropent on September 24, 2011 at 10:41 AM

$150 million a year?

And this is just the part of the iceberg we can see !!!

No wonder this ship is sinking we’re in a iceberg field and the Progressives are yelling “FULL STEAM AHEAD”!!

PappyD61 on September 24, 2011 at 10:42 AM

But how in the world would they be able to get to the voting booth without the money!

Bambi on September 24, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Perhaps they’re not dead, dead?
You know Zombies; that would explain their voting for Dems and cashing their checks.

LincolntheHun on September 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM

More proof that our government is too big.

It just that simple.

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM

The government is too big. This is just one additional piece of evidence. The solution is obvious: Shrink the size of the federal government.

GaltBlvnAtty on September 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM

/sb Its

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Well, that’s a bit unfair, don’t you think? I mean, in Chicago the dead can vote. How do you expect them to pay for gas to get to the ballot booth if you cut off their retirement benefits?

The latest joke circulating on the ‘Net is that Osama bin Laden is now registered to vote in Chicago.

onlineanalyst on September 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM

The government is too big. This is just one additional piece of evidence. The solution is obvious: Shrink the size of the federal government.

GaltBlvnAtty on September 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Pinch
Poke
Ya’ owe me a coke

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 10:49 AM

From Romper Room to Rubber Rooms in less than 40 years.

It’s going to take a generation to turn this ship around.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 10:51 AM

More proof that our government is too big.

It just that simple.

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM

He’s not done yet. He said so.

Wait till you get your next physical at the likes of a DMV office beginning in 2013. Obamacare. It’s simply awesome.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I pay dead people.

WashJeff on September 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM

heh. You have to say that in a breathless whisper…..

ted c on September 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Well it’s only fair they still vote for Democrats, they should at least get their money.

jeffn21 on September 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I am so sick if hearing that it’s a small amount compared to the overall budget. That attitude is what gets families in trouble. All the extra wasted money here and there ad up to real money. First get rid of the waste then talk about taxes. It’s the same thing as immigration. Fix the border first. It’s so easy to spend other people’s money and then be dismissive about it. My own senators who are both so called conservatives have the same attitude Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Issackson. Be a steward of your constituents resources. A balanced budget amendment is the only way to stop it. It’s nauseating. Now that that’s out if my system on the college football :)

ldbgcoleman on September 24, 2011 at 10:54 AM

It’s going to take a generation to turn this ship around.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 10:51 AM

More if we have the guts to do the hard work and sacrifice for our posterity.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Unlike social security recipients are not a disproportionate number of federal workers black? Maybe the federal government doesn’t care to be very vigilant here.

Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Unlike social security recipients are not a disproportionate number of federal workers black? Maybe the federal government doesn’t care to be very vigilant here.

Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Not this federal gov’t.

honsy on September 24, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Unlike social security recipients are not a disproportionate number of federal workers black? Maybe the federal government doesn’t care to be very vigilant here.

Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM

If that was the first thing that came into your mind, you have a problem.

darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Probably not… how do the unions tie in? Department leaders would be reported by at least one of their workers as there is generally someone who doesn’t like them and just needs a reason.
What you generally have are families that continue to collect the checks. Some report the mistake as noted earlier in the thread and some don’t. Even Japan is having trouble with its SS system for this kind of problem.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:34 AM

The Unions pull a percentage out of every union members check as long as they are on the role. So unions definitely.

The Department leaders or family pulling the rest? Who knows probably some of both. Bureaucrats finding ways to skim/graft the system is allot more common than many think (varying levels but much more common than thought). The system is corrupt all the way down partially generated by the fact that all involved are to some level urged to make the books less their department budget shrink next year and we all suffer. Disgusting as*backwards way to run any organization. It breads corruption makes the eventual real corruption or at least looking the other way all the easier.

The Fed should have 0 employees and subcontract the whole dam thing. It would save money and maybe a trip to the permitting or tag agency wouldn’t have to be a all day adventure.

Off subject but : I read somewhere awhile back that the Fed has hundreds of millions of dollars in dead checks (checks that have been written out but never cleared). Where is all of that money.

C-Low on September 24, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Thousands of Union Workers show up wearing baggies and tin foil dunce caps nad protest against Chocolate

No, I’m not kidding. They really did this.

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Unions:

Legal Organized Crime

Key West Reader on September 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Inspector General Patrick E. McFarland, who previously reported on the improper payments in 2005 and 2008, urged OPM to more closely track such mistakes.

URGED???? Who exactly is in charge there? There has obviously been no accountability since 2005 at least. So why would anything change….the incompetence boggles my mind.

lynncgb on September 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Hey! Dead people have a vote too yannow!

SondraK on September 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM

GOP position: no new taxes until waste, fraud, and abuse are addressed in every department and agency. In the meantime, undertake fundamental income tax reform–not Obama’s attempt to add gimmicks to our Byzantine Internal Revenue Code.

BuckeyeSam on September 24, 2011 at 12:00 PM

we’re not talking about a staggering amount of money here in terms of the total federal budget

$601 Million might be peanuts to the US government, but it sure is BIG money to me!

katablog.com on September 24, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Oh, and BTW, these are the same people who now want your health records! Well, at least they’d have a way of knowing when to cut off your federal checks. What could go wrong?

katablog.com on September 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM

C-Low on September 24, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Back up your assertion about the unions getting a cut of every check. They certainly wouldn’t get a cut from a retirement check. In addition the unions for the feds are not for every fed – once you pass a certain grade or are in a supervisory role you don’t get representation.

The problem with demonizing groups of people is that the facts used to do so are generally not true.
As far as dead feds go your issue should be with their dishonest spouses or kids who don’t report the death.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Unlike social security recipients are not a disproportionate number of federal workers black? Maybe the federal government doesn’t care to be very vigilant here.

– Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM

If that was the first thing that came into your mind, you have a problem.

– darwin-t on September 24, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Yep, I do have a problem – with our government continuing to play Santa Claus to blacks for decades at taxpayer’s expense. Google about the present$ to black “farmers”, eg.

“To date, more than $1 billion has been paid in $50,000 increments to more than 13,000 black farmers. The rub is, according to Buena Vista farmer Eddie Slaughter, many of the recipients of the settlement money are not farmers at all. ”
http://www.pigfordblackfarmerssettlementclaims.com/

Or the rampant government “affirmative action” (i.e., anti-white discrimination) programs in hiring and contracting.

“Since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and the advent of the Great Society in 1965, trillions of dollars in transfer payments have been made to African-Americans in the form of welfare benefits and racial preferences (in contracts, job placements and educational admissions) – all under the rationale of redressing historic racial grievances. ”
– David Horowitz, reason #8 in 10 Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks is a Bad Idea for Blacks – and Racist, Too!

I think a lot of citizens have my “problem”, and should have.

Maybe you have the problem of ignoring political correct forms of racial discrimination.

Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Oh gee, you mean you expect some federal bureaucrats sitting in front of a monitor all day watching porn waiting for their retirement to spend a couple minutes collating the dead according to SS with payments to some dead bureaucrat?

I’m surprised some union bureaucrat thugaroo hasn’t figured out how to redirect those payments into union coffers… Or some swiss bank account… Not to give anyone any ideas…

Now how’s that working for you all again…?

FYI, this wouldn’t be a problem if defined benefit plans were outlawed and existing one’s transformed by a reasonable prorated process into defined contribution plans that actually belonged to individuals. Then when someone died, what was left would rightfully belong to their heirs…

drfredc on September 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Washington always talks like the elimination of waste, fraud and abuse will cure all of our ills but then never do anything about waste, fraud and abuse. I wonder why?

Cindy Munford on September 24, 2011 at 12:48 PM

[Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM]

It’s a good point.

Also, it seems to me this issue somewhat overblown. On page 9 (of the pdf) in the OIG’s report it shows annual amounts of improper payments and the related accounts receivable and the total difference for 2006 through 2010 is $100M ($600M payments minus $512M AR).

They certainly have a ways to go, and, it appears one of the 14 OIG recommendations not yet addressed/resolved is antiquated computer system(s?), which goes to your point about spending billions to save millions. Bureaucratic inertia likely also plays a part in getting computer system problems resolved since it’s possible they have more than one among what also appears to be 79 agencies which manage retiree benefits. I could be wrong about this last point but knowing the Feds, I think I’m on safe ground with it.

Dusty on September 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM

As Doug Mataconis points out at Outside the Beltway, we’re not talking about a staggering amount of money here in terms of the total federal budget, but in today’s toxic atmosphere regarding waste and spending, this is going to be a problem for somebody.

I hate the way these things are always framed in terms of being problems only of “optics” to use a popular term, and not in terms of the thousands of instances of waste that exist inside our government.

Yeah, saving $600 mil may not be a big deal in the scheme of things, but fix all or a majority of these wastes, and now you’re talking significant money.

spinach.chin on September 24, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Vote Democrat 2012
With Us You’re Better Off Dead

and republicans claim nothing good could come out of obamacare. being killed by it is clearly a gravy train of bennies.

mittens on September 24, 2011 at 1:00 PM

There are at least 14000 cases of SS errors, per year, whereby they mark living people dead, due to stupidity of PC workforce.

It takes on average 6 months to correct such mistakes.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2011 at 1:17 PM

This reminds me to predict the greatest zombie vote turnout in history with so many yellow school busses tooling around from polling place to polling place, each just chuck full of SEIU types whose sense of compassion is to volunteer to help the zombies fill out the ballot.

It should begin in leftist Massachusetts as they again, send their brigades north to help with the crossover primary vote in NH, insuring a Romny/RINO win.That the GOP allows crossovers tells th9is voter that they enjoy the game of keeping a RINO in office.

Our CT governor just mandated card check, so I’m sure some of those friendly yellow union-filled busses may come from the Nutmeg state as well.

Don L on September 24, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Dead federal workers are too big of a voting bloc to piss off.

blofeld42 on September 24, 2011 at 2:14 PM

*Puts on Dead Federal Worker costume*

Hawkins1701 on September 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Apparently not…. hint, the feds don’t issue driver licenses Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Oh yes they do. My forged federal driver’s license kept me inebriated in college.

Akzed on September 24, 2011 at 4:17 PM

You can take it with you.

Sincerely,

The death panels.

AltTuning on September 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Whenever I fired people from a job, the HR Department was notified first and they cut a final paycheck, arranged with IT to cut-off their computer access, their ID badge was deactivated upon my phone call, etc.

Now, I understand how hard it must be for managers of civil service employees to tell if someone on their team is alive or dead, but seriously – if they haven’t changed clothes in weeks err on the side of assuming their dead and let the Office of Personnel Management know.

Recently there was a report that said that a federal worker was more likely to be struck by lightening or die at their desk than to be fired, so you’d think managers would be used to the drill by now.

in_awe on September 24, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Soonerliberty on September 24, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Can you say that again in English?

jdkchem on September 25, 2011 at 12:02 AM

Can we just pay the dead government workers and fire the rest?

jdkchem on September 25, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Well about 30 years ago. My mother was on the front page the National enquirer. She was there because she had informed SSA that my aunt had passed away 7 years before and to stop sending checks. She submitted the forms and they did nothing. the checks kept comming. She tossed them in a drawer then finnaly so fed up with the fact that they Gov was doing nothing she went to the National Enquirer. They took a pict of my mother holding hundreds of checks. Well the Treasure/SSA was fast to start an investigation , Not on their in house issue but to see if my mother had cashed any of the checks after my aunts passing. So 30 years later things have no changed! Wonderful No wonder I hate the government.

ColdWarrior57 on September 25, 2011 at 12:16 AM

They certainly wouldn’t get a cut from a retirement check. In addition the unions for the feds are not for every fed – once you pass a certain grade or are in a supervisory role you don’t get representation.
Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I was a federal worker for 8 years and represented by the union (I left gov’t service a year ago). GS-13 and above do not get any representation from the unions. GS-01 thru GS-12 are represented. I was a GS-11, then a GS-12. Not one dime from my paycheck went to the union. It was a voluntary thing. If you want to pay you can – if not, then don’t.

Hammie on September 25, 2011 at 1:32 AM