U.S. has yet to explain Fast and Furious to Mexico

posted at 9:13 pm on September 23, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Last night’s debate was disappointing in several respects, but in none more so than that the moderators asked no questions and the candidates spoke no words about the dangerous idiocy and likely corruption of this administration revealed by recent controversies.

But, then, when it comes to Fast and Furious, mum has been the word from the very beginning. Not only has the Justice Department refused to cooperate with congressional investigators and not only has the DOJ IG potentially compromised Congress’ investigation into the affair, but the federal government also failed to apprise the Mexican government of the fatuous and ultimately lethal operation:

The United States government has yet to brief Mexican authorities on the failed Fast and Furious gun-running operation that led to scores of American weapons being smuggled purposefully into a raging drug war, Mexico’s top law enforcement official told The Times.

“At no time did we know or were we made aware that there might have been arms trafficking permitted,” said Atty. Gen. Marisela Morales in comments from a recent interview with Times reporters published Tuesday. “In no way would we have allowed it, because it is an attack on the safety of Mexicans.”

Morales said she first learned about the program — which U.S. officials contend was meant to trace weapons up cartel ranks to top capos — through news reports.

Mexico’s attorney general also said the U.S. has not apologized for the violence inflicted by guns smuggled into Mexico under the watch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in the secret program based out of the ATF’s field office in Arizona. Morales characterized the operation’s main tactic, letting guns “walk” into Mexico, if, she said, that is what actually happened, as a potential “betrayal.”

On a conference call with reporters earlier this week, Rep. Darrell Issa expressed concern that the damage F&F has caused to U.S.-Mexico relations will be all but irreparable. It looks like his concern is well placed. Issa said it’s especially frustrating to be unable to share information with the Mexican government because the Department of Justice will not share the information with Congress in the first place.

The stonewalling has to stop — but it appears the Department of Justice would rather abolish the ATF than answer questions. Not that the evaporation of a government agency in general seems all that problematic to me — but it’s imperative that Issa and Grassley arrive at answers before everyone who knew anything — and who can confirm Eric Holder knew about the program, too — is out of office.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

one crack in the front and it could all come down, they know that.

rob verdi on September 23, 2011 at 9:16 PM

The stonewalling has to stop — but it appears the Department of Justice would rather abolish the ATF than answer questions.

Just collateral damage, Tina, collateral damage.

cynccook on September 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM

oh, git ‘em Tina! nice work. Doc Zero (John Hayward) has been hitting on this as well over at Human Events.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Hey Amigos, don’t worry. It’s Obama, your friend and he’s not Gringo.

Hening on September 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Too bad these mexican cartels aren’t killing communists, then the government and media would go mental over us arming them to the teeth.

lorien1973 on September 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

They have yet to explain “Fast and Furious” to Americans.

Socmodfiscon on September 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I can’t wait ’til Mexico sues us.

Socmodfiscon on September 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I wonder what the names are of the widows….the children….the brothers…the fathers…? These people are dead as a result of a US government policy that allowed the exporting of weapons to another country. That is grounds for war, IMO. If Mexico starts asking for Texas back, count me as not surprised. What if Canada did this???? to US!

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Too bad these mexican cartels aren’t killing communists, then the government and media would go mental over us arming them to the teeth.

lorien1973 on September 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Intriguing idea. So you’re suggesting we furnish Communists with drugs so that the Mexican drug cartels will eliminate them for us? Excellent. We can call it Codename: Stoned & Stalinist.

cynccook on September 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Great job Tina.

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM

I think the worst part about this scandal, other than the deaths, is the possibility that this was a purely political ploy by the WH to fight the Second Amendment. You know, the “under the radar” fight for gun control.

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I think we need a review of our international extradition treaty with Mexico….. they may be making some requests fairly soon.

si se puede.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:23 PM

but it’s imperative that Issa and Grassley arrive at answers before everyone who knew anything — and who can confirm Eric Holder knew about the program, too — is out of office.

Holder? How about Obama?!?!

ORconservative on September 23, 2011 at 9:24 PM

When do we start blaming Rick Perry? How can they pin this on him?

Knucklehead on September 23, 2011 at 9:25 PM

No government agency ever goes away. They just change the name and reassign the personnel. The regulations stay in place and are enforced by the newly named agency, or merged into an existing agency.

Skandia Recluse on September 23, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Hey, Mexicans! Listen up. The next time a Democrat panders to you about your vote, immigracion’, educacion’ or something–please seriously consider that there are 200 of your dead countrymen in the ground back in the old country. They just may have got that way by a little ‘oh woops! did we lose them guns to them narcotraffickers?’

reconsideracion.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:26 PM

When do we start blaming Rick Perry? How can they pin this on him?

Knucklehead on September 23, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Well, Rick Perry shure likes them guns. And he loves them Messicans.
No brainer.

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Y’know what just came to me? The president did his little Europe/Far East tour and was “apoligizin’” for how America is sometimes arrogant n’ such–usually when he was completely wrong. Well, if there was a time to be apologizin’ for somethin’ then Operation Fast and Furious is it, and Mexico should be getting some answers.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:29 PM

How do you say, ‘Your drug cartels have more guns in their hands, thanks to the Gringo ATM Machine in Mexico Norte’?

I don’t believe Agent Terry’s family will ever get a straight answer about their son’s death. Neither will the American people. Like they give a fig, the idiots are too busy ooing over American Idol.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Obama can’t just fire those agents, they’re under civil service. Obama has to show cause, and that has always been very difficult.

Skandia Recluse on September 23, 2011 at 9:31 PM

cynccook on September 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Just call em the contra; media will go mental over us arming them.

lorien1973 on September 23, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Obama can’t just fire those agents, they’re under civil service. Obama has to show cause, and that has always been very difficult.

Skandia Recluse on September 23, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Forget the agents, you need to go higher up. DC management and of course, Eric Holder and his ilk.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Most transparent administration, evah!

Since “The buck stops here” on the President’s desk, perhaps the Mexican government should go to the World Court and ask for an indictment.

GarandFan on September 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM

The operation allowed members of the Sinaloa Cartel to buy in excess of 1,900 weapons for more than $1.25 million dollars over a one-year period beginning October 2009, according to a briefing paper dated last January. The briefing paper did not delineate the duties of each agency, but other records have shown the IRS investigated the income sources of the straw buyers, Phoenix police assisted occasionally with surveillance, the DEA shared its informant and ICE “saw everything and had access to everything” the ATF did, according to an agent tasked to Fast and Furious.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/23/republicans-step-up-pressure-on-holder-as-more-details-surface-on-fast-and/#ixzz1YpVXG9Nw

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Knucklehead on September 23, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Oh Knucklehead preemptive victimhood? Seriously? Need some cheese…. Costco sells some magnificent Manchego. Seriously, it’s gooooood.

Socmodfiscon on September 23, 2011 at 9:38 PM

The silence on the part of the administration is itself illuminating. The only question really is when Obama knew about this. Frankly, the loss of ATF would not be a bad thing. Frankly, this rises to an impeachable offense, instructing private businessmen to break the law in order to develop a message that would come back to try to put those businessmen out of business is a most heinous attack on our constitutional form of government and rule of law. This is nothing less than the actions of a regime, not a duly elected executive pledged to uphold the Constitution.

On the other hand, it is important to recognize that those murders would have occurred whether Fast and Furious happened or not. The cartels have no problems getting arms, and frankly, what they got out of F&F are way less lethal than what they are getting on the black market and from Mexican army deserters. This was just a convenient tool used by the cartels, not crucial to their ability to arm.

AZfederalist on September 23, 2011 at 9:39 PM

On the other hand, it is important to recognize that those murders would have occurred whether Fast and Furious happened or not.
AZ Federalist

dude; c’mon. That is the slippery slope fallacy. While acknowledging that drug violence is horrific in Mexico, that is no justification whatsoever for fueling the fire.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:42 PM

When the new GOP president takes office, maybe he can go on an apology tour. Sorry Mexico. Sorry Iranians that we did not support your revolution. Sorry Syrians that we did not support your revolution. Sorry Ghosts of the Jewish nation that we did nothing to stop Ahmedinajad and Khamenei from getting the bomb. Sorry future generations of Americans that we spent your life’s savings before you were even born. ETC. ETC.

KW64 on September 23, 2011 at 9:44 PM

‘Smart Diplomacy’ I believe that’s what the Democrats call it.

chalons on September 23, 2011 at 9:46 PM

I cannot believe how long the information about this has been out there and largely ignored by the media.

It sure is funny that pig in a pantsuit HRC early on in the admin was talking about US guns found in Mexico. We later find out that our govt. was using select guns for their sample and not all of the ones seized.

If US guns going into Mexico was/is a problem why the eff. would more be allowed in—at least 2500? Did someone have an agenda? Nah, everything’s fine.

arnold ziffel on September 23, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

just added:
and if you don’t send us your huddled masses
we’ll send 2000 AK47s and some handgrenades
to blow you to kingdom come!

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:49 PM

2500 weapons is enough to arm a regiment of infantry +/-. That ain’t no small ‘taters.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM

dude; c’mon. That is the slippery slope fallacy. While acknowledging that drug violence is horrific in Mexico, that is no justification whatsoever for fueling the fire.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:42 PM

In no way am I trying to justify what was done nor justify fueling the fire. Just pointing out the reality of the situation. That is particularly important when the Mexican government starts demanding things as they will in the coming months. Not sure what “slope” you are trying to bring into this here. The fact is that the drug cartels have access to the arsenals of the world. F&F was a horrific act on the part of the statists in the US government and is far more threatening to our own freedoms just based upon its presumed real purpose (i.e., to provide a justification for the destruction of our second amendment rights — rights that the citizens of Mexico don’t have).

Was it bad that those firearms got into the hands of the cartels? Yep

Was it a travesty that people were killed with those firearms? Firearms that were placed in the hands of the cartels solely because the Obama administration was trying to “demonstrate” that tougher gun laws are needed in the US? Absolutely

Would any of those people be alive today if those guns hadn’t been allowed to be used as tokens in the US regime’s attack on the freedoms of US citizens? Not very likely.

Does that make what happened any less bad or less of a travesty? Most certainly not.

AZfederalist on September 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Join Sheriff Paul Babeu in the fight to expose the truth about Operation Fast & Furious
September 19, 2011 by Team Babeu
********************************

Sign the petition to join Sheriff Paul Babeu in the fight to expose the truth about Operation Fast and Furious!
***************************************************

http://www.sheriffpaul.com/

canopfor on September 23, 2011 at 9:54 PM

but in none more so than that the moderators asked no questions and the candidates spoke no words about the dangerous idiocy and likely corruption of this administration revealed by recent controversies.

THIS

so disappointed

cmsinaz on September 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM

and some handgrenades
to blow you to kingdom come!

ted c:Too late!:)
===================

American arrested for smuggling grenade parts into Mexico for drug cartels
September 7, 2011 by Paul Babeu
*********************************

An American man was recently arrested for smuggling parts for 2,000 grenades into Mexico for drug cartels. But here’s the kicker: More than a year ago, the US Attorney’s Office let the same guy walk after he was stopped at the Arizona-Mexico border for having more than 100 grenade parts hidden in a spare tire.

When is President Obama going to start holding people accountable for these reckless and dangerous decisions?

Click on the following link to read more: CBSNews.com: Mexico says US man smuggled grenade parts
=============================

http://www.sheriffpaul.com/american-arrested-for-smuggling-grenade-parts-into-mexico-for-drug-cartels-2

canopfor on September 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Would any of those people be alive today if those guns hadn’t been allowed to be used as tokens in the US regime’s attack on the freedoms of US citizens? Not very likely.

Does that make what happened any less bad or less of a travesty? Most certainly not.

AZfederalist on September 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM

I know you’re probably right and that’s just a statement of the obvious. But, what if the federal government argues from the position? Mexico would be even mas livid than they are now, and rightfully so. Either way, guns don’t kill people, people kill people, and liberals kill guns. mah 2 cent

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 9:57 PM

thanks canopfor for the paul babeua links. He’s an interesting guy with a bright future.

BTW: OT: watch the sky tonight for that falling satellite.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 10:00 PM

but in none more so than that the moderators asked no questions and the candidates spoke no words about the dangerous idiocy and likely corruption of this administration revealed by recent controversies.
THIS

so disappointed

cmsinaz on September 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM

cmsinaz:Exactly,the GOP Debates have been allowed to fall into a
laughable Reality type ordeal,with infighting,and the
illusion,that Team GOP/Tea Party are in a Political Diss
aray!:)

And,its about d*mn time this nonsense and crap,ceases,
and Primary/Secondary/And Targets of Opportunity are
unleashed,by any,and all candidates,against Obama!!:)

canopfor on September 23, 2011 at 10:02 PM

thanks canopfor for the paul babeua links. He’s an interesting guy with a bright future.

BTW: OT: watch the sky tonight for that falling satellite.

ted c on September 23, 2011 at 10:00 PM

ted c:Yup,on da links,and knowing my luck,the satelite will make
a direct hit(gawd forbid)on my internet provider!:)

canopfor on September 23, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Either way, guns don’t kill people, people kill people, and liberals kill guns

… and get more innocent people killed.

On that, we are in violent agreement.

AZfederalist on September 23, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Time to pull a tried and true Lefty plan,

demand Holder Resign,and keep harping on it!!

canopfor on September 23, 2011 at 10:06 PM

I’m sorry…what’s this thread about?

I was staring at that picture of the Mexican Atty General and the next thing I knew 30 minutes has passed and there was drool on my keyboard.

I would break laws in Mexico just to have her prosecute me.

Alden Pyle on September 23, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Because Perry and Romney both realize we have no choice.

If there was a choice – a real choice – I guarrantee we’d be hearing all kinds of gratuitous platitudes from Romney for sure. He’ll say ANYTHING to get elected.

KMC1 on September 23, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Look at it from their point of view. What is the Administration going to say? “It seemed like a great idea at the time. All we were trying to do is nullify the Second Amendment. You support that, don’t you?”

Fred 2 on September 23, 2011 at 11:00 PM

If this was Republican administration, the media would be falling over each other to get to el Presidente of Mexico and ask him if he considered this an act of war.

Left Coast Right Mind on September 23, 2011 at 11:22 PM

The Obama administration hasn’t given any explanation or apology to the American people. Why would they show that courtesy and respect to Mexicans?

After all, its not like they are Islamists who are entitled to apologies from Obama on behalf of America. If they were, Obama would have long since bowed, apologized, and kissed their hairy butts.

novaculus on September 24, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Too bad these mexican cartels aren’t killing communists, then the government and media would go mental over us arming them to the teeth.

lorien1973 on September 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

It’s so true it makes my head hurt.

scotash on September 24, 2011 at 4:56 AM

These geniuses need to experience Mexican justice to restore our good relations.

Nothing less will do than a trial of at least the top 50 bureaucrats involved. in Mexican courts, with Mexican penalties.

Viva Mexico!

Lonetown on September 24, 2011 at 5:12 AM

I stumbled across this link regarding Gunwalker. This person has done an extraordinary job at timelining these events/stories back to 2009. Very detailed and almost day by day updates with lots of links. fyi

ted c on September 24, 2011 at 7:41 AM

Just how do you explain to a sovereign nation that ‘we’ (as in Obama and his cronies) used our Federal resources to escalate a drug war to unbelievable heights, causing mass carnage and many innocent deaths in the hopes the violence would trickle over the border and create a clamor just in the hopes of overturning a constitutionally protected right of it’s citizens?

Damn, sounds like a bad movie plot when I put it like that.

Phil-351 on September 24, 2011 at 8:01 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/ATFReport

why did a Los Angeles based ATF Agent committ suicide in the last 2 days?

ted c on September 24, 2011 at 8:26 AM

The White House never has to explain its big screw-ups because they always do their own “internal investigation” and they can’t comment on on-going investigations – and it’ll be ongoing for a long time.

Come on, Fast & Furious was Obama’s idea. He championed about this idea of gun tracing even before he was elected:

http://web.humboldtgop.org/2011/07/obama-talked-about-gun-tracing-in-2009.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/29/obama_talked_about_gun_tracing_during_2008_campaign

Obama administration at its stonewalling best:

http://www.republicheritage.com/2011/07/obama-talked-about-gun-tracing-in-2009.html

The incompetent is too dangerous and should be impeached.

Chessplayer on September 24, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Took the Mexicans long enough to get into this affair. This will end up in lawsuits from the govt and individuals who lost ‘loved ones’. We’ll be the ones paying long after Zero is a distant bad memory. The FBI has all the records and the truth will never see the light of day on this con. Maybe the Mexicans should cut off our oil supply, we have all those solar panels from Solyndra to keep us warm.

Kissmygrits on September 24, 2011 at 9:59 AM

A brave woman, that Ms. Morales, to stand up to the torturing, murdering, mutilated-bodies-hanging-from-bridges, psycho-killer drug cartels…and their arms-supplying ally, the US Government.

curved space on September 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2011/09/23/arizona-lawmaker-wants-fast-and.html

Date: Friday, September 23, 2011, 3:48pm MST

Trent Franks

U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., wants the Obama administration to release all its documents and data for its ill-fated Operation Fast and Furious gun-running investigation.

Franks made the request today as Republicans press the White House on the gun investigation. That investigation involved trying to track guns purchased in Arizona and other states by straw buyers and then transported back to Mexico for use by drug cartels.

ted c on September 24, 2011 at 11:19 AM

“What did the PRESIDENT know, and when did HE know it?”

It worked at Watergate, it works here…

Khun Joe on September 24, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Completely eliminating the BATF? From a guy who has does everything possible to swell the number of Federal employees? From the guy who has created more new Departments and bureaucracies(Obamacare) than any 10 Presidents?

And he wants to ditch the ATF? The personal private muscle of the the DOJ ??? Its because the ATF is racist. They are mostly white, and they used to have a yearly party in Tenn that looked more like a klan meet. These types also tend to not be commies.
http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-25.html

Not controllable enough. This is like the Nite of the Long Knives.
Consider that payback, was Holder one of those dumped on by the BATF back in 95? If ATF goes away, whos going to be the DOJ muscle?

orbitalair on September 24, 2011 at 9:06 PM