Romney: If you oppose illegal immigration, it means you have a heart and a brain

posted at 5:25 pm on September 23, 2011 by Tina Korbe

At the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando today, Mitt Romney responded to Rick Perry’s intellectually lazy argument for the Texas DREAM Act with an easy quip.

The former Massachusetts governor responded to Perry’s assertion during Thursday’s GOP presidential debate that those who disagree with providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants lack a heart.

“My friend Gov. Perry said if you don’t agree with his position on giving that in-state tuition to illegals, that you don’t have a heart,” Romney said at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando. “I think if you’re opposed to illegal immigration, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have a heart. It means that you have a heart and a brain.”

Perry passed a state-based DREAM Act in Texas, which allowed children of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates, a decision he defended Thursday.

Perry’s best defense of his in-state-tuition-for-illegals law is to remind voters that it was a state-level decision, implemented in a state that has to tackle the practical fallout from illegal immigration in a way a state like Massachusetts simply doesn’t. (As a reminder, Texas has ten times the number of illegals as Massachusetts.) Texas DREAM primarily affected the state budget of Texas and Texas taxpayers — and, presumably, Texan voters supported it at least indirectly by electing a state legislature that passed it. Offering in-state tuition doesn’t explicitly erode the rule of law as, say, amnesty for illegals would. If a state wanted to offer in-state tuition to international students, it could. If  a state wanted to offer a flat tuition rate to all students,  it could. Yes, as Rick Santorum pointed out last night, in-state tuition does nothing to discourage illegal immigration — but that’s not what such a law is designed to do in the first place. It’s designed to incentivize college enrollment (and, presumably, graduation). Whether that’s advisable is certainly debatable, but Perry’s support for Texas DREAM need not cost him the support of those who are strongly opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants or who strongly support — as Perry puts it — “more boots on the ground” to secure our borders. In other words, Perry should reassure voters he’s not squishy on border security nor does he favor amnesty for illegals — and deflect attention from the Texas DREAM Act as much as possible, not call attention to it with self-righteous pronouncements.


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Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Makes one want to bang their head against a wall. It’s a pretty simple solution. Take away the magnets – all of them, penalize employers, build a fence, enforce the laws on the books. They’ll eventually self deport. If they can’t get hired or get welfare, there’s no reason to stay. But the taxpayer gets screwed because the GOP wants cheap labor and Dems want the eventual votes.

TxAnn56 on September 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM

saw the video. The guy was vile.

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM

She was filming for the new show she is doing for the bio channel.I’m sure the venue was not of her choosing. The creep was throwing vile epithets at her and called her and her Mother whores.

She stood up to him and he continued the attack. His name is Stephen Hanks and he has a twitter account called sickofpalin.

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

And now if we find some courage and our ruby slippers, we’re all set!

Pablo Snooze on September 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM

She stood up to him and he continued the attack. His name is Stephen Hanks and he has a twitter account called sickofpalin.

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

The guy couldn’t even tell her why he hated her mother. Typical lefty.

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 6:59 PM

But the taxpayer gets screwed because the GOP wants cheap labor and Dems want the eventual votes.

TxAnn56 on September 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM

And that is why it will never get fixed. It’s going to take something catastrophic to happen before anyone pays any attention.

Knucklehead on September 23, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Pass a law allowing illegals to sue their employers for X10 their legal wages and benfits plus a $25,000 fine which they can go home with.

End of employers hiring illegals.

sharrukin on September 23, 2011 at 7:00 PM

The guy couldn’t even tell her why he hated her mother. Typical lefty.

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 6:59 PM

He did an interview today saying he would do it again and that she is a homophobe and some things I can’t print here. This is a 20 year old kid for heavens sake. Such hate out there for the Palins…

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM

JonPrichard on September 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM
As long as this country continues to twist itself in knots to justify and allow lawbreakers to get away with, well, breaking the law, we will continue to circle the drain. Most reasonable people think it’s unreasonable to reward bad behavior. Allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS who have apparently broken the law for 3 years – long enough to attain residency – and graduated ILLEGALLY from a state funded school is rewarding bad behavior. Fine, so they’re “kids” whose parents cheated to be in this country illegally. As long as we reward the “innocent” children, the parents will continue to drag them over the boarder. It is forcing amnesty down our throats while trying to make us feel despicable if we don’t care about the innocent children. Balderdash!! The fact that Perry is trying to tell me I don’t have a heart because I feel my country has been invaded and that people such as himself pander to the very constituency that condones breaking our laws, ticks me off beyond words. You can explain it every which way you want; but, the bottom line is, illegal aliens are illegal. Period. The sooner they are treated as such, the sooner many of our country’s ills will be eliminated.

greeneyedconservative on September 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Bingo. Again!

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM

In other words, Perry should reassure voters he’s not squishy on border security

But he IS squishy on border security!!! Not to mention the TX legislature!!

Encouraging illegal aliens to stay here illegally, or come to our country illegally in the first place, is a form of border INsecurity — it is a giant MAGNET that keeps existing illegal aliens here and attracts millions more to violate our laws by entering our country illegally.

More magnets, more rewards equals more illegal aliens.

No matter how high a fence we build, many will still get through, not to mention that about half of illegals are visa overstays, so the ONLY way for border security is to remove all rewards, magnets, etc. — and one of the biggest magnets is in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

Please see how attrition works in this video.

And see how the majority of all Americans want the same policy – not amnesty, not mass roundups and deportations, but ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT.

fred5678 on September 23, 2011 at 7:04 PM

He did an interview today saying he would do it again and that she is a homophobe and some things I can’t print here. This is a 20 year old kid for heavens sake. Such hate out there for the Palins…

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM

I think it’s conservative women in general. Did you see the Alec Baldwin twitter war against Michelle Malkin?

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM

I think it’s conservative women in general. Did you see the Alec Baldwin twitter war against Michelle Malkin?

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM

I did. Is it just me or do you think the libs are getting a bit hysterical?

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM
I think it’s conservative women in general. Did you see the Alec Baldwin twitter war against Michelle Malkin?

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Fat man just thought he was twittering his daughter. Selfish little pig.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM

I see you have your stinger out..:):)

PS..OT: Has you seen Omaha Conservative lately?..He was posting here and then quit posting a few weeks back..

Dire Straits on September 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM

What part of the word “illegal” is so difficult for some people to understand?

kingsjester on September 23, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Tina, Romney’s quip is intellectually lazy, and a LIE. Perry does oppose illegal immigration.

Once again, romney is taking the sleazy way out and LYING about what Perry’s position is.

juliesa on September 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM

juliesa on September 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM

How can one be against the parents’crime and for rewarding their children?

kingsjester on September 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM
I see you have your stinger out..:):)

PS..OT: Has you seen Omaha Conservative lately?..He was posting here and then quit posting a few weeks back..

Dire Straits on September 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM

I haven’t seen him, DS. He left our hive about a year ago. I hope he is doing well, though. Maybe he is just posting elsewhere?

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:12 PM

I did. Is it just me or do you think the libs are getting a bit hysterical?

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Well, they’re showing their true colors. I think we’re seeing them get nervous. Hmmmm

MeatHeadinCA on September 23, 2011 at 7:12 PM

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Thanks for the info..:)

PS..You maybe right about him posting somewhere else..I hope he is doing well..:)

Dire Straits on September 23, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Sigh. Such a flawed bunch of candidates.

I hope Christie gets in the race. I hate his flaws less than Romney’s or Perry’s and I think he’s more electable.

I wish I didn’t have to put electable as my top priority, but I don’t know if the country or its economy can survive another 4 years of Obama’s galloping socialism. The Obama machine is going to be very hard to beat and we can’t afford a Christine O’Donnell outcome.

cool breeze on September 23, 2011 at 7:15 PM

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM
I defended McCain, because I wanted him to win and beat Obama and keep that freaking disaster Barack Obama out of office. If that bothers you….fine with me.

Terrye on September 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM

You were almost as bad as unseen on Palin. We all wanted obama out, but some of us just weren’t as overzealous as you for our support of someone that thumbed their nose and CONSIDERED CHANGING PARTIES TO RUN WITH JOHN KERRY IN 2004.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 6:29 PM

For one thing, McCain did not consider changing parties to run with Kerry. That was just some crap put out by the Democrats for gullible people like you…for another..who the hell else was there? Romney? I hear he is a Rino…Huckabee? Another Rino..Fred? He could not be bothered to try. It is not as if the people yelping about how everyone else is a Rino could actually come up with a viable alternative who could win.

The thing is I will vote for the person who gets the nomination because I honestly think Obama is a disaster for this country. I did that in 2008 and I will do it in 2012.

Terrye on September 23, 2011 at 7:15 PM

How can one be against the parents’crime and for rewarding their children?

kingsjester on September 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM

The Tx government has no control over the parents’ crime as it’s a federal issue. since we are stuck with the kids, and they’ve been paying sales taxes for three years, they get the resident rate if they are in the federal citizenship process.

juliesa on September 23, 2011 at 7:17 PM

juliesa on September 23, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Oh. Since they can’t control it, they chose to reward it?

kingsjester on September 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Perry promises to do the wrong things on the illegal alien issue.

Romney promises to do the right things.

If you hold them both to their words, you get the wrong results with Perry …but you can’t complain, because that’s what he says he will do.

With Romney, if he doesn’t follow through on his conservative promises, he’ll be toast.

Perry already is.

Buttered by La Raza.

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 6:29 PM
For one thing, McCain did not consider changing parties to run with Kerry. That was just some crap put out by the Democrats for gullible people like you…for another..who the hell else was there? Romney? I hear he is a Rino…Huckabee? Another Rino..Fred? He could not be bothered to try. It is not as if the people yelping about how everyone else is a Rino could actually come up with a viable alternative who could win.

The thing is I will vote for the person who gets the nomination because I honestly think Obama is a disaster for this country. I did that in 2008 and I will do it in 2012.

Yes, because McCain has always been such a principled republican, you would NEVER believe he is a turncoat that curses out his own party and calls them bigots. I too voted for McCain, for Palin, of course, but I didn’t swallow the whole fight with me meme and then still defend his behavior, his sorry campaign, while he kicked you in the teeth.
I cannot blame anyone but the electorate for mccain, but listening to you bang his drum and attack anyone who dared to discuss that they were getting a little queasy with his campaign was a bit much.
I suspect the next RINO we primary in, and it is looking to be the case, you will be there in your big Rino cheerleading uniform again.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:23 PM

As I noted this morning, the very definition of “Socialist” is in dispute. It’s a huge can of worms and there is no benefit to anyone in opening that can. Clearly, Romney would work to dismantle whatever O has done to turn America into a Euro Dem Socialist country (on the domestic and foreign policy front).

Buy Danish on September 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM

I agree that the definition of socialism is in dispute, one which could rather easily be resolved, but I disagree that there is no benefit in opening that “can of worms”.

How could you rather easily resolve the definitional problem with “socialism”? One way is to tell the questioner that you won’t give an answer until you and s/he come up with a definition you both agree upon. Then, by the standard you’ve established, explain why 0bamessiah is or isn’t a socialist. Or, you could just ask the questioner, ‘If this ___ (fill-in-the-blank behavior) of 0bamessiah’s isn’t socialistic, what would you describe it as?’ You wouldn’t have to give a direct answer, make the questioner squirm if you must, but don’t shy away from the opportunity like Mitt did, which has BETA written all over it.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 23, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Well, in 2001, governor Rick Perry signed Texas House Bill 1403 into law. This law has become known as the Texas Dream Act:

This bill states that non-citizens (illegal immigrants) may be able to apply for state financial aid if they have:

Lived in Texas for three years, at least part of the time with a parent or court-appointed legal guardian

Graduated from a Texas high school (or received a GED)

Not attended an institution of higher education before fall 2001

Signed an affidavit stating they will apply for permanent residency as soon as they are eligible.

In other words, they promise.
Cross their hearts.

kingsjester on September 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM

My predictions from earlier this morning:

1. I expect a rash of polls and articles over the weekend and the coming week all designed to show that “Perry is finished” and “Romney is the de-facto nominee”.

2. The polls will tighten again but I expect Perry to maintain a slim lead. It’s still a two man race although nearing parity.

3. The media-contrived clamor for Palin to get in and the favorable reviews will diminish as they work off the assumption that Perry is finished.

4. Romney lost the Hispanic/immigrant vote last night. Perry won it if he is the GOP nominee.

Many Americans are rightfully emotional about the tuition issue but discount how emotional those groups are about the issue. They believe it involves children who are here through no fault of their own and should be off limits. They shouldn’t be made to bear the brunt of their parents’ crimes especially when both parties refuse to deal with the status/cimes of the parents.

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Prediction (1) is already panning out if you have been following the news. (2) will be seen next week.

Hopefully by next week, Palin will put her die-hard supporters on this forum out of their misery by announcing she is NOT running. In any case, watch for the media to start to lay off their encouragement for her to run in accordance with (3).

Romney will lose Florida to Perry in accordance with (4).

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 7:44 PM

With Romney, if he doesn’t follow through on his conservative promises, he’ll be toast.

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Bwa ha ha ha! You really are funny… and must be very easy to dupe.

If you want to see whether someone will follow through on their promise(s), you look at their actions not their words. Romney has never been a conservative and never will. He is as liberal as they come.

And talking of him being toast, what has happened to Boehner after he failed to fulfill his promise (read his lips) of cutting $100 billion from the 2011 budget. Now he has come very far even passing bills with Democrats against the wishes of conservatives.

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Perry should reassure voters he’s not squishy on border security nor does he favor amnesty for illegals

So you want him to just bald face lie? You must not have a heart!

Lon Chaney on September 23, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Bwa ha ha ha! You really are funny… and must be very easy to dupe.

If you want to see whether someone will follow through on their promise(s), you look at their actions .

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 7:50 PM

So you approve of Perry’s actions?

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Perry should solve his immigration problem by giving them a bus ticket to California or Illinois, not a college education.

southsideironworks on September 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM

So you approve of Perry’s actions?

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Perry says what he means and means what he says… his stances are clear.

1. He supports border security but thinks the solution is NOT a fence.

2. He is anti-illegal immigration but believes kids brought here by their illegal parents and who have finished high school in Texas should not be discriminated against when attending college.

Romney tells you what you want to hear. Good luck getting him to build you a fence and deport all illegal immigrants, if he does become President.

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Perry’s best defense of his in-state-tuition-for-illegals law is to remind voters that it was a state-level decision.

That’s not a defense. Romneycare was a state-level decision too. Does that make it better? Ummmmmm…..no.

She stated that there needs to be conditions and a path to citizenship for some; others should go home. She will listen to all the opinions on both sides and make a decision that makes sense. I don’t see Perry, Romney, etc. (The Seven Plus Dwarfs) doing that.

Amjean

So basically, she has the same plan as Perry, Romney, Bush, Mccain, etc, but her version is better because, well, because it’s her saying it instead of Juan McCain.

xblade on September 23, 2011 at 8:27 PM

I defended McCain, because I wanted him to win and beat Obama and keep that freaking disaster Barack Obama out of office. If that bothers you….fine with me.

Terrye on September 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM

I think your, uh, support of McCain extended well beyond 2008. Seems you had to play cheerleader for him in 2010 too. Not in your state.

Eren on September 23, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Perry says what he means and means what he says… his stances are clear.

TheRightMan

So, does this mean we should support Obama because he really means it when he attacks wealth and engages in class warfare? Yeah, no thank you.

Frankly, I think we’re screwed, because none of the candidates impress me.

xblade on September 23, 2011 at 8:41 PM

How could you rather easily resolve the definitional problem with “socialism”? One way is to tell the questioner that you won’t give an answer until you and s/he come up with a definition you both agree upon. Then, by the standard you’ve established, explain why 0bamessiah is or isn’t a socialist. Or, you could just ask the questioner, ‘If this ___ (fill-in-the-blank behavior) of 0bamessiah’s isn’t socialistic, what would you describe it as?’ You wouldn’t have to give a direct answer, make the questioner squirm if you must, but don’t shy away from the opportunity like Mitt did, which has BETA written all over it.
Bizarro No. 1 on September 23, 2011 at 7:23 PMT

Really? Ya think that’ll make a good 20 second soundbite in a debate? It’s possible Newt could get away with that with his college prof background but…

Mitt cited Obama’s love affair with European Democratic Socialism. That was a deft response.

Buy Danish on September 23, 2011 at 8:44 PM

No amount of bickering is going to make a differnece. The sound bite is out there! The idea that Perry is pro-illegal will fester– whether that is ultimately true or not makes no differnece.

What alot of you forget, is that besides conservatives, many, many indies and moderate dems (you know, those that may be looking for an alternative to Obama) want the illegal tidal wave to cease.

He’s screwed.

Tharn on September 23, 2011 at 8:55 PM

1. He supports border security but thinks the solution is NOT a fence.

Then he’s a fool.

Does he have a door on his home?

Does it have a lock?

2. He is anti-illegal immigration but believes kids brought here by their illegal parents and who have finished high school in Texas should not be discriminated against when attending college.

Then you nstall a magnet for more illegals to bring in more kids to benefit from this waste of taxpayers money for those who are here illegally.

More Folly.

Romney tells you what you want to hear. Good luck getting him to build you a fence and deport all illegal immigrants, if he does become President.

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 8:25 PM

I don’t support Romney, I prefer Palin, but she has no chance in the current political climate.

But I’ll take a Romney who says he will support the defense of the country against being swamped by illegals… and hold him to it… over a weakling like Perry who promises more of the same failed illegal alien idiocy and folly that is undermining the legal structure of the nation and will destroy the country through an inevitable Balkinization.

Why support someone who promises to give you more of what hasn’t worked, won’t work, and can’t work, because it is essentially the end of America as a nation of laws, borders and a unified culture?

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Perry’s best defense of his in-state-tuition-for-illegals law is to remind voters that it was a state-level decision, implemented in a state that has to tackle the practical fallout from illegal immigration in a way a state like Massachusetts simply doesn’t. (As a reminder, Texas has ten times the number of illegals as Massachusetts.)

As a reminder, Perry has created thousands of $100,000 discount magnets for parents to come to this country illegally to get their children into this country for that benefit.

And this is the guy spouting on Hannity that our candidate shouldn’t blur the lines between us and Obama….give me a break.

Perry is a muddled, incoherent mess. His campaign saying well he’s only been on the stage for 6 weeks is pathetic. Perry’s been a politician for over 25 years, 10 years as governor. Six weeks isn’t a valid excuse.

sheryl on September 23, 2011 at 9:24 PM

If Perry can become clear on this he can win.

AshleyTKing on September 23, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Really? Ya think that’ll make a good 20 second soundbite in a debate? It’s possible Newt could get away with that with his college prof background but…

Mitt cited Obama’s love affair with European Democratic Socialism. That was a deft response.

Buy Danish on September 23, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Romney did well mentioning that when he did, but that’s not addressing his reaction to the “socialist” question he was asked – he passively let what shouldn’t have been a difficult pitch for him to hit go by him for a strike.

Mitt comes off like he’s a wilter. His lack of alphaness is a black mark against him with many of us on the Right who are rightfully tired of politicians who are more concerned with saying what they believe will help their election attempts than they are with leading boldly. We don’t need another guy like Boehner who’s a genuinely nice guy, but isn’t much of a negotiator or fighter.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 23, 2011 at 10:03 PM

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 8:25 PM

AshleyTKing on September 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Well put. You are right, man.

AshleyTKing on September 23, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Fat man just thought he was twittering his daughter. Selfish little pig.

HornetSting on September 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM

He has lost 45 pounds according to his brother Stephen on Hannity yesterday. Still a pig, tho.

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 10:09 PM

But can we all agree that Romney will be a disaster? Then where does that leave us?
If Palin doesn’t get in, it leaves us with four more years of Obama or, by some miracle, Mitt Romney. He will surely appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court, yes? We can count on him to fight ObamaCare? He will surely defund the EPA?

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Look at how twisted this has all become.

If an illegal alien applies for school, the school should call the INS to check the student and his family.

If an illegal alien is pulled over, he goes straight to the INS.

And, why is deportation such a drawn out ordeal?

If you pick up a suspected illegal, give him one or two weeks to prove he is here legally (if he contests his status). If no proof is produced, immediate deportation.

mockmook on September 23, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Horrible decision to give them in-state tuition. They don’t deserve it anymore than any US citizen kid does from the other states; why should a kid from Michigan not get it then?

And Romney’s response is good – but he *can’t* be our nominee and us win against Obama. He simply can’t; there’s no argument he can raise against Obama that Obama won’t smugly smile and say, “well that’s interesting, because that’s *your* track record too. Why should people vote for you – you’re saying what I did is bad, but you’ve done the same thing – what are voters to believe, Mr. Rommney?”

Gah, sick to death of all of this. It won’t matter anyway.

Midas on September 23, 2011 at 10:55 PM

But can we all agree that Romney will be a disaster? Then where does that leave us?
If Palin doesn’t get in, it leaves us with four more years of Obama or, by some miracle, Mitt Romney. He will surely appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court, yes? We can count on him to fight ObamaCare? He will surely defund the EPA?

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Exactly.

Romney 2012 = Obama Win.

Midas on September 23, 2011 at 10:56 PM

1. He supports border security but thinks the solution is NOT a fence.

I heard that today; infuriating.

As a Texan, let me just say that there’s ample factual evidence that a physical barrier/fence *does* work. Where it’s been done, the illegals do NOT come across in the same numbers as without it, plain and simple.

And as another poster questioned, does Perry have a back door on his house? Why? I mean, if you put it there, the intruders will just break through it, go around it, under it, whatever, right? Why bother?

You do it because you do *everything* in your power to stop them, that’s why – you put up a barrier, you get a security system, you have it monitored, you get a dog, a neighborhood watch, and you post signs saying trespassers will be shot – and you damn well mean it, because you have the gun and the intent to back it up.

Or, you get what we have today, Mr. Perry.

Look, I like Perry on many topics – this is not one of them. I liked Bush on many topics – this was not one of them.

Midas on September 23, 2011 at 11:03 PM

“I think if you’re opposed to illegal immigration, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have a heart. It means that you have a heart and a brain.”

Romney just can’t help lying. If Romney lies about Perry to make a political point then he will lie about other things as well.
That must be why the Establishment Republicans support him. Like attracts like, opposites don’t attract even tho that is a popular saying.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Perry should reassure voters he’s not squishy on border security nor does he favor amnesty for illegals

But then it would be a lie, now wouldn’t it?

scotash on September 23, 2011 at 11:25 PM

But can we all agree that Romney will be a disaster? Then where does that leave us?

carbon_footprint on September 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM

No, we can’t agree on that. Romney will make a great president.

scotash on September 23, 2011 at 11:26 PM

O’Reilly had Charles Krauthammer on and discussing the debate of last night. CK said just ask the Democrats who they are most afraid of as the Republican Opponent and they will tell you Romney.

ROFL, sure that’s why they spent 3 years trying to destroy Sarah Palin and now Gov. Perry.

If CK is correct, then why aren’t they attacking Romney?

Such fools, and in THAT they are transparent:-)

So, the Establishment Republicans love Romney and the Democrats love Romney, how can we lose?

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:33 PM

I do not know who this group is or is their figures are all legit..but if it is true, that is not good for Perry.

Terrye on September 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

It’s not good for your boy Romney to continue to lie either.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Probably because Perry support amnesty too. I mean I have no reason to doubt that Perry supports full amnesty when he is so squishy on illegal immigration.

thphilli on September 23, 2011 at 5:41 PM

How much is Romney paying you to lie about Gov. Perry? Go troll somewhere else.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Probably because Perry support amnesty too. I mean I have no reason to doubt that Perry supports full amnesty when he is so squishy on illegal immigration.

thphilli on September 23, 2011 at 5:41 PM

How much is Romney paying you to lie about Gov. Perry? Go troll somewhere else.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Rick Perry’s letter to the Dallas Morning News.

“I take strong issue with a news report in the Dallas Morning News mischaracterizing my position on amnesty for undocumented immigrants from Mexico. The truth is, I am intrigued and open to the Bush administration’s amnesty proposal. Most Texans would agree that it’s better to have legal, taxpaying immigrants from Mexico working in the United States than illegal immigrants living in fear of the law and afraid to access basic services.”

sharrukin on September 23, 2011 at 11:46 PM

If purity is your thing become a chemist and stay out of politics. I’ll take the give and take of the real world over the hobgoblins raised on foolish consistency.

MJBrutus on September 23, 2011 at 5:43 PM

The give and take from 1/09 until 1/11? That give & take? You can keep it. Romney is a Liberal and the little time he was Governor, he brought in Romneycare. So much for his style of “helping” the people of MA.

He is another McCain and I can’t believe you can’t see that.

Oh,yes you can be sure Romney will cross the aisle all right.

Be careful in believing all of the promises coming out of Romney’s mouth.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:50 PM

sharrukin on September 23, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Like people keep telling Obama, Bush isn’t President anymore.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Like people keep telling Obama, Bush isn’t President anymore.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM

And that changes what he supported how?

sharrukin on September 23, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Mitt’s election would be the best thing to happen to advance Sarah Palin presidential ambitions.

rickyricardo on September 24, 2011 at 12:51 AM

In other words, Perry should reassure voters he’s not squishy on border security nor does he favor amnesty for illegals — and deflect attention from the Texas DREAM Act as much as possible, not call attention to it with self-righteous pronouncements.

Why should he deflect attention from the Dream Act, if there is nothing wrong with the Dream Act?

Offering in-state tuition doesn’t explicitly erode the rule of law as, say, amnesty for illegals would

Of course it does, because it is State tuition, not private school tuition. State colleges even get federal money and get federal grants for research.

It might be Perry’s idea to give it to the world indiscrimiantely, but most Americans would disagree, and even our foreign aid is not open to all, but is distributed according to a plan

The Dream act gives incentive to head to the USA, when we should be giving disincentive to remain illegally in the USA.

Perry keeps referring to the ‘children’ who will be getting the tuition break. In my state, most ‘children’ graduate high school at eighteen, which makes them ‘adults’. I assume they are cognizant of the fact they do not have American birth certificates or they would not be thinking of themselves as ‘immigrants’

What Perry supports is so wrong, you cannot make it right. I hope he gets full credit for what he is doing to undermine the sovereignty of my wonderful nation

entagor on September 24, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Romney will lose Florida to Perry in accordance with (4).

TheRightMan on September 23, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Wrong. Closed primary. Cubans are NOT Mexicans, they already get citizenship due to small numbers and the legacy communist fighting with Cuba. Cubans are law abiding. They are more conservative than Mexicans and will vote for Romney accordingly. Yes, Romney is more conservative than Perry on illegal immigration.

Also there are a heck of a lot of older retirees, (you know, the people who actually vote in primaries) former north easterners that are specifically the Romney voting demographic.

scotash on September 24, 2011 at 4:46 AM

Does the guy from dirty jobs still have a show? Or is he now looking for a job? Funny they say americans wont do the low wage jobs. but they WILL do the WORST of the WORST.

Gedge on September 24, 2011 at 7:01 AM

My take.

kingsjester on September 24, 2011 at 7:47 AM

We don’t need another guy like Boehner who’s a genuinely nice guy, but isn’t much of a negotiator or fighter.
Bizarro No. 1 on September 23, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Mitt isn’t much of a negotiator? What are you talking about?! Just because he’s not a swaggering chest beating bully doesn’t mean he’s not a “fighter”. This is key: You have to know when to fight and when to negotiate. This not a monarchy. Some in the Tea Party have totally unrealistic demands – expecting us to push through plans without majorities in the Senate or controlling White House. Obama is not a reasonable man so nothing will get him to cooperate with us. We need to stop the bleeding now, persuade voters to elect Republicans in 2012 and do the really heavy lifting then with a complete overhaul of our tax system, regulatory & ‘entitlement’ reform…

Buy Danish on September 24, 2011 at 8:49 AM

No, we can’t agree on that. Romney will make a great president.

scotash on September 23, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Pfffft. Romney would be Bush 41 without the military/foreign policy cred.

ddrintn on September 24, 2011 at 10:00 AM

Pfffft. Romney would be Bush 41 without the military/foreign policy cred.

ddrintn on September 24, 2011 at 10:00 AM

Bush 41 was a pretty effective president — competent in fact.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Buy Danish on September 24, 2011 at 8:49 AM

They want red meat with no substance instead of a comprehensive understanding of the issues. Of course that leads to detailed points to address them and the risk of being seen as “boring”.
We’ve made the election of presidents the American Idol of the free world.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Does the guy from dirty jobs still have a show?

He’s hawking Ford service

Or is he now looking for a job? Funny they say americans wont do the low wage jobs. but they WILL do the WORST of the WORST.

Gedge on September 24, 2011 at 7:01 AM

I never believed that line about immigrants ‘doing the jobs Americans won’t do’
I believe it would be accurate to say they are ‘doing the jobs Americans won’t do for that particular wage’. Illegal immigration depresses wages in lower skilled jobs.

Red State State of Mind on September 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM

She stated that there needs to be conditions and a path to citizenship for some; others should go home. She will listen to all the opinions on both sides and make a decision that makes sense. I don’t see Perry, Romney, etc. (The Seven Plus Dwarfs) doing that.

Amjean

So basically, she has the same plan as Perry, Romney, Bush, Mccain, etc, but her version is better because, well, because it’s her saying it instead of Juan McCain.

xblade on September 23, 2011 at 8:27 PM

No – you are wrong in your interpretation, but, that is nothing
new for you is it?

Amjean on September 24, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Why do posters like Mitt Romney? I am not getting the vibe -
please enlighten.

Amjean on September 24, 2011 at 11:02 AM

1. He supports border security but thinks the solution is NOT a fence.

Then he’s a fool.

profitsbeard on September 23, 2011 at 9:23 PM

If they put up a fence, that will deny Texans on the border access to water. We will pull it down ourselves.

Hiya Ciska on September 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Mittens: wasn’t Uncle Omar Obama an ILLEGAL ALIEN when you were Governor? ON YOUR WATCH?

Khun Joe on September 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Hiya Ciska on September 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM

If you don’t want their illegal immigrants you shouldn’t covet their water.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Bush 41 was a pretty effective president — competent in fact.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Domestically he was a disaster. Higher taxes and more spending which led to 8 years if Bill Clinton.

ddrintn on September 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM

*of

ddrintn on September 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Amjean on September 24, 2011 at 11:02 AM

It’s not that I like Romney. It’s that the other candidates are worse than him. Perry has looked like a dumb Texican in the three debates. What a disappointment he is. The other people on the state are the seven dwarfs. What a group to choose from.

At least Romney sounds intelligent and presidential.

Really Right on September 24, 2011 at 12:50 PM

If you don’t want their illegal immigrants you shouldn’t covet their water.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM

The Rio Grande isn’t their water. How about you learn some 3rd grade geography.

Hiya Ciska on September 24, 2011 at 1:02 PM

If you don’t want their illegal immigrants you shouldn’t covet their water.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM

The Rio Grande isn’t their water. How about you learn some 3rd grade geography.

Hiya Ciska on September 24, 2011 at 1:02 PM

But yet Bradky’s the go-to guy for an assessment of Palin’s intelligence, dontcha know.

ddrintn on September 24, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Ouch, Bradky, that must have hurt. Maybe you need to read Hot Air posting for Dummies?

kingsjester on September 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Romney did well mentioning that when he did, but that’s not addressing his reaction to the “socialist” question he was asked – he passively let what shouldn’t have been a difficult pitch for him to hit go by him for a strike.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 23, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Answering the socialist question to tickle the ears of people who want to get in the faces of others is counter productive at this point. The rest of the candidates are focused on winning the nomination and figuring they can tack to the center later. Romney is already positioned there and is the candidate the indies will vote for. Believe it or not, MOST of us are less concerned with ideological purity than we are making “statements” because our panties are in a bunch.

At worst, Romney holds the status quo. He will nominate conservative justices, he will issues waivers for Obamacare. This silly claim that the president will repeal Obamacare is a lie. Only the congress can repeal it and unless we get 60 votes in the senate and retain a majority in the house, he cannot repeal Obamacare.

With those facts in hand, the candidates that we should be worried about are those who don’t mention issuing waivers. If all they promise is repeal, then they are not promising to issue waivers when the congress cannot repeal it.

csdeven on September 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM

If they put up a fence, that will deny Texans on the border access to water. We will pull it down ourselves.

Hiya Ciska on September 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM

If who puts up a fence? The Mexicans or the US?

csdeven on September 24, 2011 at 1:29 PM

At least Romney Obama sounds intelligent and presidential.

Really Right on September 24, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Given a choice between a RINO and a Democrat, TheRightMan will choose the Democrat.

Obama 2012! – if Romney is the GOP nominee

TheRightMan on September 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

TheRightMan on September 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Not good! Your desired nominee is?

Really Right on September 24, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Mitt isn’t much of a negotiator? What are you talking about?! Just because he’s not a swaggering chest beating bully doesn’t mean he’s not a “fighter”. This is key: You have to know when to fight and when to negotiate. This not a monarchy. Some in the Tea Party have totally unrealistic demands – expecting us to push through plans without majorities in the Senate or controlling White House. Obama is not a reasonable man so nothing will get him to cooperate with us. We need to stop the bleeding now, persuade voters to elect Republicans in 2012 and do the really heavy lifting then with a complete overhaul of our tax system, regulatory & ‘entitlement’ reform…

Buy Danish on September 24, 2011 at 8:49 AM

You seem to be getting quite excited here!

“Walk softly and carry a big stick”? John Bolton – is he a loud, macho man? No, he isn’t. But he exudes a lot more strength and fosters a lot more confidence than an overly measured politician like Mitt.

I am not as anti-Mitt as many on the Right are, but I understand his unpopularity on this side of the fence. Don’t you much wonder why we are concerned that he will be the type of negotiator/fighter GWB was during issues like Medicare Part D, SS reform, and the Hainan Island incident?

We don’t need more of that kind of go-along-to-get-along mediocrity in the White House, and Mitt isn’t a very convincing salesman that he’s not that.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 24, 2011 at 2:18 PM

They want red meat with no substance instead of a comprehensive understanding of the issues. Of course that leads to detailed points to address them and the risk of being seen as “boring”. We’ve made the election of presidents the American Idol of the free world.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Answering the socialist question to tickle the ears of people who want to get in the faces of others is counter productive at this point. The rest of the candidates are focused on winning the nomination and figuring they can tack to the center later. Romney is already positioned there and is the candidate the indies will vote for. Believe it or not, MOST of us are less concerned with ideological purity than we are making “statements” because our panties are in a bunch.

csdeven on September 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM

This is such an over-simplification of what the topic is that it’s effectively meaningless. You are sounding/acting like there is no middle position between ‘my way or the highway’ aggressiveness and nuanced passivity. Mitt represents the latter; he not only didn’t give a straight answer to the “socialist” question, which as I explained in previous posts isn’t necessarily a problem, he walked away from it, which is a problem.

Perry is right that SS is a Ponzi scheme; FDR himself admitted that that system wasn’t self-sustainable. Why is Romney not only afraid to acknowledge this, why did he attack Perry over it? Rememeber Paul Ryan and “social engineering”? He’s exactly like the weak side of Newt, and it’s troubling.

You can be firm and tough without getting in someone’s face, and when watching a clip like this, Mitt doesn’t show that he has a clue what I’m talking about. There is no doubt that he’s smart, but he’s not all that wise.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 24, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Having a brain on illegal immigration requires that we sit back and stop taking out marching orders from Anti-Life organizations like FAIR, Numbers USA and CIS. They were built to promote zero population growth, and the idea that humans are speciest or human supremacists. Heard of Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood? Well, those guys are the ones behind the illegal immigration pipe dream of mass deportation or mass deportation by attrition. Wake up! CONSERVATIVES need to remember the simple principle of workers and contributors versus takers and non contributors. Once we view illegal immigration through that prism, we can create public policy that is truly fair and able to be supported by a majority

conservador on September 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Mitt isn’t much of a negotiator? What are you talking about?! Just because he’s not a swaggering chest beating bully doesn’t mean he’s not a “fighter”. This is key: You have to know when to fight and when to negotiate. This not a monarchy. Some in the Tea Party have totally unrealistic demands – expecting us to push through plans without majorities in the Senate or controlling White House. Obama is not a reasonable man so nothing will get him to cooperate with us. We need to stop the bleeding now, persuade voters to elect Republicans in 2012 and do the really heavy lifting then with a complete overhaul of our tax system, regulatory & ‘entitlement’ reform…

Buy Danish

Agree, especially re the whole “fighter” thing – geez, that term is overused.

Our system is designed to frustrate the megalomanic “fighter.” Republican 2010 victories in the House & Senate give us the ability to stalemate the Obama legislative agenda going forward – that’s all.

IMO, the American electorate isn’t ideological. Some of us are, sure – but most vote on “how are things going?” When they fire the people running the show, it means they don’t like how they’ve been doing things – - – it isn’t an endorsement of the other guy’s program.

BD57 on September 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM

You are sounding/acting like there is no middle position between ‘my way or the highway’ aggressiveness and nuanced passivity.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 24, 2011 at 2:56 PM

That is a straw man premise……

Calling him a socialist and saying he isn’t a socialist are the extremes. Romney’s response IS in the middle. It was a statesman like response.

csdeven on September 24, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Ouch, Bradky, that must have hurt. Maybe you need to read Hot Air posting for Dummies?

kingsjester on September 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM

It is the internet my clean shaven cuddle buddy. If you are letting people you have never met drive your mood or “feelings” I’d recommend you abstain from commenting for awhile.

And of course you chime in for someone who doesn’t really understand geography or treaties.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boundary_and_Water_Commission

But that is not surprising coming from you.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 11:26 PM

And of course you chime in for someone who doesn’t really understand geography or treaties.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boundary_and_Water_Commission

But that is not surprising coming from you.

Bradky on September 24, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Your link proves my point, fool.

Hiya Ciska on September 25, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Hiya Ciska on September 25, 2011 at 1:34 AM

The water belongs to both countries. You want control of the border yet you would willfully destroy federal property.
Keep on talking.

Bradky on September 25, 2011 at 6:12 AM

Given a choice between a RINO and a Democrat, TheRightMan will choose the Democrat.

Obama 2012! – if Romney is the GOP nominee

TheRightMan on September 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Starting to think you’re a DKOS plant.

haner on September 25, 2011 at 5:38 PM

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