Breaking: Palestinians submit application for UN recognition

posted at 12:09 pm on September 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

So much for negotiation:

Defying U.S. and Israeli opposition, the Palestinian officially asked the United Nations on Friday to accept them as a member state, sidestepping nearly two decades of troubled negotiations in the hope this dramatic move on the world stage would reenergize their quest for an independent homeland.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas formally submitted the application for full U.N. membership after rebuffing an intense U.S.-led effort to sway him from the statehood bid earlier this week. …

A top aide, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the move, said that in the letter to Ban accompanying the application, Abbas asks the U.N. chief to immediately send on the request for full U.N. membership to the Security Council and the General Assembly, which is likely to be asked to approve a more modest status upgrade if the bid in the Council founders as expected.

The move comes as a rebuke to Barack Obama, who tried to warn the Palestinians that attempting an end-around on direct negotiations would carry significant political consequences.  Abbas’ persistence appears to show that Obama has little influence on events in the conflict now, which may have its own repercussions in the US for his administration.  Congress will almost certainly respond by suspending aid to the Palestinians, and Obama will have to decide whether to defy a bipartisan effort to punish Abbas for his actions.

Realistically speaking, though, this won’t change much.  Obama will be forced to veto this when it hits the Security Council; he has to hope that one of the other veto-holding nations to join him.  He cannot let this go through the UNSC if he wants to win another term as President.   Delaying it by sending it to a “study committee” is tantamount to an endorsement, and it would make a later veto even more explosive.  Abbas could focus on a General Assembly resolution, but that has no legal force in international relations.

Tony Blair was apparently impressed by Abbas’ strategy:

Ex-British Prime Minister Tony Blair, now envoy to the group of Middle East negotiators known as the Quartet, acknowledged that Abbas had forced a renewed bout of activity aimed at restarting peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

“If this is a tactic in one sense it’s worked brilliantly — people are focused now on what we can do to relaunch a negotiation,” Blair told BBC radio.

The problem with  this analysis is that it assumes that Abbas wants a two-state solution.  The Palestinians have been repeatedly offered just that, only to not just reject proposals but negotiations as well.  They want a one-state solution, and all anyone needs to do is look at the logo for the Palestinian permanent-observer mission at the UN to see what kind of borders they will accept:

I’m with Mike Huckabee, who suggested yesterday that we should be encouraging Israelis to build more housing in Jerusalem in order to pressure the Palestinians to get serious about peace.  If they want a state, they need to first accept Israel, and the logo speaks volumes about their real intentions.

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He just called for a Palestinian state based on 1967 pre-six-day war borders, just as their little emblem patch suggests, and he is getting a standing ovation. He’s bringing down the house.

FlatFoot on September 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM

To borrow the old motto from the Refusnik rescue group of the 1980′s ‘Operation Exodus’: Never again…is NOW!
Am Yisrael Chai!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Hear comes WWIII, thanks to Obama.

RedRobin145 on September 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Hear Here comes WWIII, thanks to Obama.

RedRobin145 on September 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

RedRobin145 on September 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Obama was planning on this I think. You know he was starting to lose some of the Jewish vote so now when he courageously vetoes it he will be a hero. Pay no attention to the fact that he pretty much called for the same thing as Abbas a couple months ago…

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Present

vcferlita on September 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

*Obama raises hand obscuring the face of the leader of a country oppressed by its closest neighbors.

Say cheese!

Lily on September 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

and of course, msdnc has pro PA folks on their show not blaming obama but bashing israel….

shameful

cmsinaz on September 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

and blames W along the way….

cmsinaz on September 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Oh, oh . . . Obama has to take a stand. Obama . . . meet Waterloo.

Voter from WA State on September 23, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Maybe Obama already gave his answer (in the group photoshoot) -

Talk to the hand ???!?!!?!??!

Sir Napsalot on September 23, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Via Politico

White House press secretary Jay Carney said today that the United States would veto such a vote for statehood, saying, “We do not believe it’s in the Palestinian people’s interests.”

Psssst….Jay, POTUS is on record saying its a great idea.

So, we don’t get salty fries and the Palestinians don’t get free land……because jugears doesn’t like it.

Well, he is consistent.

BobMbx on September 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM

“If this is a tactic in one sense it’s worked brilliantly — people are focused now on what we can do to relaunch a negotiation,” Blair told BBC radio.

Useful idiot.

mankai on September 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM

We’ll see what numbnuts does with this. I have no faith in politicians so I suspect he’ll vote “present.”

mjk on September 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM

A certain Khalidi vid would come in handy right about now.

Bishop on September 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

“If this is a tactic in one sense it’s worked brilliantly — people are focused now on what we can do to relaunch a negotiation,” Blair Chamberlain told BBC radio.

mankai on September 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM

A certain Khalidi vid would come in handy right about now.

Bishop on September 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

We will NEVER see that video

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM

“It will be demonstrated in the election next year that the natural home for Jewish voters is the Democratic Party and President Obama. Jewish voters overwhelmingly support Obama. Jewish-Americans have no problems with the president’s position on Israel.” -Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC Chair)

Manufactured advantageous circumstances just to get reelected… it’s a grand scheme that just might succeed in capturing some votes for Barack Hussein Obama in the short run to November 2012 but in the long run his impending reelection will cost us and the rest of the world dearly for generations to come.

FlatFoot on September 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Peace in our time.

mankai on September 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Bibi is talking now and he is doing a bang up job! I love this man.
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letget on September 23, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Bibi is kicking their azzes right now at the UN…

d1carter on September 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Bibi is talking now and he is doing a bang up job! I love this man.
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letget on September 23, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Bibi is kicking their azzes right now at the UN…

d1carter on September 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Where can we stream his speech?

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM

They have a homeland now – the Gaza – so they deserve full U.N. membership.

Karmi on September 23, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Jewish-Americans have no problems with the president’s position on Israel.” -Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC Chair)

0bama could shout out “fire up the ovens” and he’d still get 70% of the Jewish vote. The “D” transcends all.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on September 23, 2011 at 1:44 PM

The move comes as a rebuke to Barack Obama, who tried to warn the Palestinians that attempting an end-around on direct negotiations would carry significant political consequences. Abbas’ persistence appears to show that Obama has little influence on events in the conflict now

US policy isn’t actually the problem or even relevant in this situation. Until Israel shows real intent on accepting a Palestinian state, Abbas has no reason not to pursue his agenda at the UN. It’s the right move for him to make and it might actually result in the type of worldwide pressure that can affect Israeli policy. Israel is already isolated in the Middle East- it does not want to be isolated globally as well.

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

*Obama raises hand obscuring the face of the leader of a country oppressed by its closest neighbors.

Say cheese!

Lily on September 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

“Cheese…!”

Seven Percent Solution on September 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Take the East Bank and then go away. If we never hear from you again it will be too soon.

motionview on September 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Israel is already isolated globally.

Accepting a Palestinian “state” that does not recognize Israel would be like the US accepting an Al Qaeda state on our border. As long as the Pals believe all jews should be killed, Israel would be stupid to welcome this development.

If the US is serious about “peace” they need to press all of Islam to accept other religions in their midst. As long as Islam can refuse to accept others it remains a danger of the highest order.

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM

US policy isn’t actually the problem or even relevant in this situation. Until Israel shows real intent on accepting a Palestinian state, Abbas has no reason not to pursue his agenda at the UN. It’s the right move for him to make and it might actually result in the type of worldwide pressure that can affect Israeli policy. Israel is already isolated in the Middle East- it does not want to be isolated globally as well.

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Until the Pals stop slaughtering innocent civilians, Israel has no incentive to give any more concessions to those animals.

stvnscott on September 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM

So, Bayam… you think it is the right thing to grant the Palestinians a state? On their terms, right? They are only asking for all of it, including Israel. I.E. for the UN to just wish Israel out of existence.

You down with that? Or are you going to say no, they can’t have that?

Vanceone on September 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM

He’s down with 6 million more dead jews…but this time they will fight back

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 1:59 PM

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

That is perhaps the most ill-informed and irresponsible comment I have ever seen on this site. I congratulate you on condensing so many false premises and non requiters in a single paragraph.

You make ernesto look like Einstein.

novaculus on September 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Talk about shooting yourself in both legs…

This will hurt the “palestinian” relationship with the US, Israel and other western countries, it will strengthen Hamas because it seems, as they put it, as though the PA are “begging” the world of a country, and worst of all – it won’t change anything, weakening the already weak position of the PA among “palestinians”.

I was at a doctor’s office today in Toronto when Abbas was giving his shpiel, and they had a big TV there with the sound on. There was a beautiful woman sitting closely to the TV and watching intently. She had a “palestine” necklace around her neck. Almost made me lose it.

AlexB on September 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

US policy isn’t actually the problem or even relevant in this situation. Until Israel shows real intent on accepting a Palestinian state, Abbas has no reason not to pursue his agenda at the UN. It’s the right move for him to make and it might actually result in the type of worldwide pressure that can affect Israeli policy. Israel is already isolated in the Middle East- it does not want to be isolated globally as well.

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

1) The Fakestinians got their first state in 1923 – Trans-Jordan.
2) They refused a 2nd state in 1937, 1947 and 2000-01.
3) At no point between 1948-1967 when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan the “West Bank”, was there any talk of establishing their 2nd state in the aforementioned areas.
4) Abbas should be on trial for his role in the Munich Massacre – and every act of Fakestinian terrorism since.

mudskipper on September 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

non requiters = non sequiturs. *&%$#!! spell check..

novaculus on September 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Obama was planning on this I think. You know he was starting to lose some of the Jewish vote so now when he courageously vetoes it he will be a hero. Pay no attention to the fact that he pretty much called for the same thing as Abbas a couple months ago…

sandee on September 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Exactly. Like, don’t do this, wink, wink. B.O.’s “no” was just for show. If anyone thinks this no vote was genuine have been asleep. Too little and about 3 years too late.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

It might be ill-informed and irresponsible but it’s what he wants to believe. And what he wants to believe will be the basis for his hatreds and wishes for the destruction of many

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Should be interesting to see the European response. My bet is that they will cower and cringe before their muslim minorities and vote for a “state” from which to launch further death on the jews

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I get the criticism of Huckabee’s wording – that it implies Jerusalem is negotiable – but at least he is pushing back. Particularly since the US won’t even put the embassy in West Jerusalem.

Seth Halpern on September 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM

1) The Fakestinians got their first state in 1923 – Trans-Jordan.
2) They refused a 2nd state in 1937, 1947 and 2000-01.
3) At no point between 1948-1967 when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan the “West Bank”, was there any talk of establishing their 2nd state in the aforementioned areas.
4) Abbas should be on trial for his role in the Munich Massacre – and every act of Fakestinian terrorism since.

mudskipper on September 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

+10

And, to add to your #4 point, for Holocaust denial. He wrote his thesis re why the Holocaust never happened. He should be jailed.
In fact, as the long-time #2 in the PLO he should be chillin’ with the main villain, Arafat himself.

AlexB on September 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM

1) The Fakestinians got their first state in 1923 – Trans-Jordan.
2) They refused a 2nd state in 1937, 1947 and 2000-01.
3) At no point between 1948-1967 when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan the “West Bank”, was there any talk of establishing their 2nd state in the aforementioned areas.
4) Abbas should be on trial for his role in the Munich Massacre – and every act of Fakestinian terrorism since.

mudskipper on September 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Fakestinians.
Failestinians.
Paleosimians.
Paleswinians
Ron Paul 2012 international HQ.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM

clnurnberg on September 23, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Yeah, I am all too familiar with the type. Facts don’t sway them in the face of a higher truth, i.e., whatever nonsense is crucial to their preposterous but deeply held delusions.

novaculus on September 23, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Netanyahu’s speech is excellent. I wish these so-called diplomats would actually listen to his arguments.

youngTXcon on September 23, 2011 at 2:06 PM

If I were the Israelis I would not trust those buster bombs that Obama sold them.

Why is that information made public, and why now?

Nothing Obama ever does is not a re-election calculation.

Go Obama! The land/world deserves him fully.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2011 at 2:07 PM

So, Bayam… you think it is the right thing to grant the Palestinians a state? On their terms, right? They are only asking for all of it, including Israel. I.E. for the UN to just wish Israel out of existence.

You down with that? Or are you going to say no, they can’t have that?

Vanceone on September 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM

No, not on their terms but on the terms outlined by most recent US administrations, including the Bush administration.

Tony Blair is right, this is a smart political move.

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Abbas was probably offended that he did not get a bow from The One, so its payback time.

tommer74 on September 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Gosh, that speech was wonderful by Bibi! He got several claps, bho didn’t get one till he finished, and he laid it all on abbas to make peace! I love the daylights out of Bibi. Good luck dealing with abbas, I don’t think he will deal.
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letget on September 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Is this the state that only a small fraction of palestineans will be allowed to have citizenship in?

Count to 10 on September 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 2:08 PM

There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’. There is Israel and Jordan The so called ‘Palestinians’ are actually Jordanian-but Jordan doesn’t want them either.
You can’t get an imaginary place declared a state.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Is this the state that only a small fraction of palestineans will be allowed to have citizenship in?

Count to 10 on September 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM

…That will also be Judenrein?

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM

@bayam: Abbas was Arafat’s guy, and Arafat deliberately planned a war once he figured out how conciliatory the Israelis were going to be. Abbas could easily muster a majority of Israelis for a workable peace deal in exchange for true “normalization,” but why bother trying real moderation when abandoning their narrative would infuriate so many Palestinians, boost Hamas and be no more successful than armed struggle, propaganda and international manuvering – which forced the Jews out of Gaza (and South Lebanon) without negotiations and barely dinged the Jews’ readiness for compromise?

Seth Halpern on September 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Allen West
Listening to Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu right now. Hopefully our own President is listening. He can hear what a real leader sounds like.

mudskipper on September 23, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Personally I think this is a gift to Obama.

With his numbers failing flat out right now with Jewish voters – this gives him an easy opportunity to show his support for Israel. There’s absolutely no way the man is going to back the Palestinians in this. They’ve pretty much thrown Obama under the bus.

HondaV65 on September 23, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I’m listening to Benjamin Netanyahu now, a model of clarity on the threats to peace. I’ll hope to post the videos later.

Update: It’s still ongoing, but this is possibly Netanyahu’s best speech ever “I speak for hundreds of generations of Jews…. who never gave up their hope of restoring their national rights in the one and only Jewish state…” I can’t wait to post it, you will love it. It is a masterpiece of taking down all the falsehoods and myths spread by Arab rejectionists, Islamic militants, and Western leftists.

http://legalinsurrection.com/

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 2:27 PM

After over 60 years of the modern state of Israel and after over 4000 years of Israel being the indigenous home of the Jews, we have the racist terrorist Abbas say his arab invading force will not accept that Israel is a Jewish State.

Why in the heck is there anyone other than plain old Jew haters that suggest there is any chance for peace with these invaders unless and until they are militarily defeated.

georgealbert on September 23, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Fakestinians.
Failestinians.
Paleosimians.
Paleswinians
Ron Paul 2012 international HQ.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM

true dat.

mankai on September 23, 2011 at 2:29 PM

I’m sure Barky will handle this perfectly; he’s been to Harvard.

Kensington on September 23, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Just in case Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Hillary Clinton and The Won didn’t catch all of Abbas’ speech, here’s what he said:

“They talk to us about the Jewish state, but I respond to them with a final answer: We shall not recognize a Jewish state,” Abbas said in a meeting with some 200 senior representatives of the Palestinian community in the US, shortly before taking the podium and delivering a speech at the United Nations General Assembly.”

Clear?

MTF on September 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Abbas sized up Obama early on as soft, mealy-mouthed, antipathetic to Israel and unwilling to hold the Palestinians to account. He was absolutely right. Obama will hold Israel to Oslo, even though Abbas just threw it in the dustbin.

PS I wish HA would change to disqus for comments. The system no longer remembers me when I ask it to.

ProfessorMiao on September 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see this coming.

VegasRick on September 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

WOAH! You knew when he got the Nobel Peace prize it wasn’t because he was uh, he had uh, well because he was the first black president since Clinton. But instead it was an early prepayment for his up and coming Arab Emancipation Proclomation d’etat? An offer he can’t-will not be allowed to-refuse?

+100

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM

I did not see that coming. Man I really should a read more Revelations. Less Clancy.

onomo on September 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM

I think the 4th Intifada started today. Suicide bombers in 3..2..1

tommyboy on September 23, 2011 at 2:52 PM

I wonder why Obama is supporting Palestine. Obama has been anointed a “Kennedy”. And Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Palestinian.

ErnstBlofeld on September 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Hey, I know the immediate and appropriate reaction, and it should occur before the end of the day: immediate cessation of funding of any kind to anyone remotely related to PLO, Hamas, etc. Zero funding.

Ok, actually that should’ve occurred decades ago, but certainly given this event, should undoubtedly happen instantly.

Midas on September 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Israel is already isolated in the Middle East- it does not want to be isolated globally as well.

bayam on September 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

*points and laughs*

Not just that last bit, but your entire post – as usual – is laughably idiotic.

Israel isn’t serious? How many times has Israel offered up everything the terrorists wanted only to be attacked again? How many land concessions, hmm? You’re a f@#$ing idiot.

Israel doesn’t want to be isolated globally? Pray tell – who *is* Israel’s friend? They’ve always only been able to count the US as an ally, and lately, they’re not even sure they can do that. Israel couldn’t possibly be more isolated “gloabally”. You’re a f@#$ing idiot.

Midas on September 23, 2011 at 3:05 PM

You’re a f@#$ing idiot.
Midas on September 23, 2011 at 3:05 PM

You could have just stopped right there. Anything else is just falling on deaf Fu$ktard ears.

BigWyo on September 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Too dumb to stand on is the Palestinian premise that in order for itself to be recognized and gain entry to the UN, a current UN member must be eliminated.

What the UN makes of Palestine after having made Israel awaits to be seen. Suffice it to say, the UN amounts to a lot of stupid hypocrisy.

maverick muse on September 23, 2011 at 3:20 PM

What “significant consequences?” A strongly worded two-page letter?

Ryan Anthony on September 23, 2011 at 3:22 PM

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I agree with you. Netanyahu’s speech was plain, truthful, and logical, and very statesmanlike. One of his best.

Tennman on September 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM

It’s quite surreal how absurd the UN is.

Palestine: “Israel, give us a state, but we won’t recognize you as a state after you do!”

scotash on September 23, 2011 at 3:43 PM

I agree with you. Netanyahu’s speech was plain, truthful, and logical, and very statesmanlike. One of his best.

Tennman on September 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Yep. Netanyahu is a great leader. I’d trade the piece of sh!t that we are stuck with for him in a second.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2011 at 3:45 PM

The trouble with Netanyahu is that his speeches are great but his actions are dismal.
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All of the Israeli Leftists and Bibi along with them have agreed to continue funding the PA even if they make their own state.
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They are making Israel on a national scale like the groveling and obsequious Eastern European ghetto stereotype that they so despised.

FactsofLife on September 23, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Let this be an object lesson in how the BUSH DOCTRINE was correct.

Intervention and involvement ain’t pretty – but it beats nuclear war.

We lost hundreds of thousands of Americans in the first two World Wars. After that – we got smart …

“Hey, why not put troops all over the place in Europe – just to discourage troublemaking by some rogue leader?”

And it worked.

Why do you think the Soviet Union wants us out of Europe? Yes, you are correct! They want to start some trouble!!

That’s the whole Bush doctrine in the middle east too – “get involved, nip things in the bud – it’s better than the fight you’ll end up with later if you don’t”.

Obama didn’t follow that rule … he followed some fairy tale notion of “fairness” for a people who rejected the 1947 UN settlement.

And now, they are going to push the point – to the point that a lot of Israeli’s are now going to die … or we will have to get involved to squash the Palestinians.

As much as I’d love to fight the Palestinians (hell, I’d come out of retirement and reenlist – and even shower with gays in the “new navy” – in order to play in that game!) … doing what is necessary now to secure Israel’s existence won’t be easy.

And I think Ab-ass is totally coordinating this with Dinner Jacket – who’s probably told him that the nuclear bomb for Tel Aviv will be ready soon – all he needs to do is start a controversy and a fight.

Thank you, Mr. Obama!

HondaV65 on September 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Yep. Netanyahu is a great leader. I’d trade the piece of sh!t that we are stuck with for him in a second.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Is Netanyahu FOR Socialized Medicine? I’d really like to see him as the Republican nominee for POTUS. We could kill a few birds with one stone.

First – we’d finally have a worthy candidate.

Second – as POTUS – he could play hell with the Palestinians on behalf of Israel!

“MUAHAHAHAH! NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL … BEBE!!”

HondaV65 on September 23, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Naughty Palestinians… going to the world for recognition without the permission of the United States and Israel. Why can’ they just sit quietly in their refugee camps while Israel expands settlements on the lands they conquered.

The nerve!

lexhamfox on September 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

This is pretty simple in my mind … If suddenly tanks rolled across the Rio Grande and Mexico decided it was going to try and invade the United States, we would go to war. It would be in our interest to push back across the Rio and conquer some of Mexico’s land that would be of strategic import. If they continue to fight etc., we may feel it necessary to to maintain a portion of the land that we took from the belligerent country.

That’s life. Israel has no problem with the Pali’s have a recognized state on the land they still hold. And also, I feel it would only be proper for Jordan to donate some of their land to this new state as well… Right?

preallocated on September 23, 2011 at 4:31 PM

0bama could shout out “fire up the ovens” and he’d still get 70% of the Jewish vote. The “D” transcends all.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on September 23, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Hah.

preallocated on September 23, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I agree with you. Netanyahu’s speech was plain, truthful, and logical, and very statesmanlike. One of his best.

Tennman on September 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Legalinsurrection didn’t have it up yet, so I ran it down on C-Span3, but haven’t gotten to see it yet. From what I’ve read on various blogs it must have been great! Plan on getting to view it asap.

bluefox on September 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM

What’s BO going to do – speechify the Palestinians to death?

katiejane on September 23, 2011 at 12:17 PM

It’s working here.

Barnestormer on September 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Sigh…this is precisely what Iran wanted.

Everything will go downhill from here.

CPT. Charles on September 23, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Look at the PLO charter. Look at the HAMAS charter.

Then tell me that any solution with Israel is in the picture at all. Because the so-called Palestinians have not been negotiating in good faith I figure the right thing to do is to kick them out of the West Bank and Gaza into Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

{^_^}

herself on September 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM

If the Palestinians won’t heed Obama’s forceful speech at the UN, he will have to out all the stops and give another forceful speech. That will show them.

Dandapani on September 24, 2011 at 12:25 PM

From a New York Post comment (which was no doubt copy and pasted from elsewhere):

The Muslims are not happy!
· They are not happy in Gaza.
· They are not happy in the West Bank.
· They are not happy in Jerusalem.
· They are not happy in Israel. (There is no equality).
· They are not happy in Egypt.
· They are not happy in Libya.
· They are not happy in Algeria.
·They are not happy in Tunis.
· They are not happy in Morocco.
· They are not happy in Yemen.
· They are not happy in Iraq.
· They are not happy in Afghanistan.
· They are not happy in Syria.
· They are not happy in Lebanon.
· They are not happy in Sudan.
·They are not happy in Jordan.
· They are not happy in Iran.
Where are the Muslims happy?
They are happy in England.
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in Holland.
They are happy in Denmark.
They are happy in Belgium.
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in the U.S.
They are happy in Canada.
They are happy in Romania.
They are happy in Hungary.
They are happy in Australia.
They are happy in New Zealand.
They are happy in any other country in the world that is not under a Muslim rule.
And whom do they blame?
· Not Islam.
· Not their leadership.
· Not themselves.
They blame the same countries in which they are happy to live.
This is so true!
Democracy is really good for them:
In a democracy they can live comfortably, enjoy the high quality of life, which they did not build and work for, they don’t have to be productive and earn a living, they can be wild and break the law, exploit the social services, wear Burkas and make a mockery of our Police and Courts and generally bite the hand that feeds them.
My question is why do they always try to bring their failed system with them and try to turn every Western democracy into the country they left?
In Western democracies, Muslims make up less than 3% of the population, yet our Governments fixate on pandering to them.
Why?

Sharke on September 24, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Does this mean that we will get to stop paying the salaries of the pali monkey play government?

Eff the muzzos, let them have a state, then let them fight it out with Israel winner take all

Sonosam on September 24, 2011 at 11:46 PM

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