Video: The left’s got a fever and the only prescription is Elizabeth Warren talking about tax hikes

posted at 3:29 pm on September 22, 2011 by Allahpundit

Deep thoughts from the new frontrunner for Senate in Massachusetts. Transcript via Jonah Goldberg:

I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.

Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

What I like about this is how unbothered it is by the question of what the factory owner’s fair share of taxes might be. The implication, clearly, is that no amount would ever be fair. “We” built an entire civic infrastructure around this factory, without which it couldn’t operate, so really the factory owner can never thank us enough. It’s a blank check for tax hikes unto eternity. In essence: “I helped pay for that sidewalk, now give me your wallet.” In fact, if you had no knowledge of American tax law while listening to this shpiel, you might reasonably conclude that “factory owners” pay no taxes at all. They’re complete free riders — using the roads, relying on the police, making bank off the backs of public-educated workers, and never offering so much as a thin dime to the system in gratitude. In reality, that factory owner is paying for more of that road, public school, and cop’s salary than you or I are. Beyond that, though, I’m amazed at how easily she overlooks the wealth created by the factory as a contribution to society. Not all of it ends up in the owner’s pocket, even though he/she assumed the massive risk of starting the plant. The factory provides jobs; it generates demand for suppliers; and if it’s successful it cranks out a product that others use to generate wealth of their own. And the more wealth there is, the easier it is to pay for those roads and cops and schools. Memo from factory owners to Warren: You’re welcome.

The reason this is a viral hit on the left, of course, is because they think most of their political problems boil down to “messaging.” Their platform is foolproof — genius top to bottom — but the sheer ingenious complexity of the scheme means they have trouble explaining it to the common voting yokel. Case in point: ObamaCare. The program’s obviously brilliant, but poor O had a devil of a time explaining why in those 500 speeches he gave on it. Warren has them buzzing because, if this clip is indicative, she has a knack for explaining how rich parasites are getting fat off The People in terms average voters might understand. I don’t begrudge them a little viral excitement; lord knows, we’ve had endless fun with Chris Christie’s clips. But at least Christie’s focusing on entitlements, the long-term driver of America’s budget problems. Warren’s focusing on … this. Won’t solve much, but I’m sure it feels good.

Exit question: Does the social contract also require accountability with taxpayer money?

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Almost everything she mentioned is paid for with local property taxes.

Youngs98 on September 22, 2011 at 4:09 PM

So I’ll just move my factory to China. Then I won’t be using your crumbling union-built roads and the semi-literate work force you educated. Are we square now?

jt on September 22, 2011 at 4:10 PM

She has a point… Obama got Rich off of ACORN, Union bosses, Tony Rezko, etc.

Unions got rich off of NLRB. Without the NLRB, employers would be able to make products with a profit.

The Kennedys got rich off of charging an arm and a leg for bootleg booze thanks to Prohibition. Without prohibition the Kennedys would have just been a bunch of drunken Irishmen.

jeffn21 on September 22, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Rush completely disassembled this pinhead today. Not one of the things she cites is possible without private companies building something that makes it possible FIRST. All the way to paving equipment and materials to pave her vaunted roads.

PJ Emeritus on September 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM

In fact, if you had no knowledge of American tax law while listening to this shpiel, you might reasonably conclude that “factory owners” pay no taxes at all.

That is the implication the Left loves to foster all the time.

The connotation is as though each and every new tax is the only tax that some people will pay.

Chip on September 22, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Hey folks… look around. the marxist/communist loons are finally all the way out of the closet. It’s cool, though. they make easier targets this way.

HomeoftheBrave on September 22, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Nancy Pelosi shows this is the wave of liberalism

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/183289-pelosi-urges-supercommittee-to-abandon-trickle-down-approach

“No more of this trickle-down [theory] or [reliance] on what the mood is on Wall Street or this or that,” Pelosi said during the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s annual legislative conference in Washington. “It’s about community recovery.”

“We want them to be thinking about – not just revenue [and] cuts – we want them to think about growth,” she said. “We want them to acknowledge that 15 percent of the country lives in poverty. [It] takes your breath away. There’s an immorality to it.”

William Amos on September 22, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I am reading all of the replies and wow I knew she was wrong in a lot of ways, but there are a lot of ways i never even thought of, lol. Well, as the old adage goes, “Those who can’t do, teach”. (This adage is referring to college professors not real teachers.)

jeffn21 on September 22, 2011 at 4:13 PM

You know, Harvard’s endowment is so big that they never really need to charge tuition again. So why do they? Why aren’t they paying it forward? How about a nice big chunk? I mean, they have roads and police protection and gubmint edumacated employees and stuff. Why the greed?

stvnscott on September 22, 2011 at 4:13 PM

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.

Ahhh, spoken like someone who either inherited or married into money.

tommyboy on September 22, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I think what Warren is saying is that if you collect welfare, send your kids to public, taxpayer funded school, get some government healthcare, and such; then the government (WE) have the authority… nay … the duty to make you join a chain gang right after you get a drug test. And you better not be obese!

MeatHeadinCA on September 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Looks like you were doing some stretching and extrapolating of your own since AP didn’t say that.
Bishop on September 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Hence the difference between “clearly” and “probably”. Thanks for maintaining the standard low level of reading comprehension on the site.

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Fine! I’ll just move my factory to China. Screw You!

Kini on September 22, 2011 at 4:04 PM

..frankly, with a woman that shrill and annoying AND BAD LOOKING, I’d just move the factory and not worry about the other thing. They have hookers in China, after all.

The War Planner on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Hey, Massachusetts business owners, here’s your new senator-in-training. I’m sure Nashua is looking mighty fine right now to businesses in the Bay State.

Come on, guys, as much as we’d like to have a Republican in Massachusetts, isn’t this harpy the appropriate fit for that state? She and Barney Frank: the Rizzoli and Isles of Communist group think.

She’s just a handsomer version of John Kerry. And Scott Brown is just a lame, pathetic RINO. What good is he?

EMD on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Liberals truly believe that tax rates don’t effect anything. If every factory owner in New York paid taxes at a 90 percent rate, why they’d all be on a level playing field and still make more than enough money to live better than they are entitled to. The fact that the factory owner would move to a state with a better tax climate is just one of those nasty facts of life that nice people don’t talk about. A Liberal believes that if the factory owner had the public’s best interests at heart, like they do, they’d pay the 90 percent and be happy we left them with 10 percent (which we are thinking of taking away anyway, if it ever becomes really necessary).

Fred 2 on September 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM

This crazy, stupid woman could only survive in academia. In the real world she would be ran out of any job she had whenever she opened her pie hole. Her and Obama need to go back to fantasy land and leave the rest of us alone.

kam582 on September 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

What ever you paid for your eduction…

… you were seriously ripped off.

Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Almost everything she mentioned is paid for with local property taxes.
Youngs98 on September 22, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Or gasoline taxes or income tax…
The point stands, though: these “fat cats” are paying more for the services they use through taxes than the rest of us are.

Count to 10 on September 22, 2011 at 4:17 PM

that we all need to bow down to the factory owner and relieve him from paying taxes because we’re so fortunate that he’ll allow us to participate in the business he built all by himself. In a vacuum. Job creators! Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

No, the point is that the factory owner paid taxes well before opening the factory and continued to pay taxes and the factory pays taxes as well.

the whole point is that she has it exactly backward. her entire premise rests on the proposition that everyone owes everything they have to teh state and therefore, nobody should complain about how much the state takes from you, as you owe it to the state.

This disgregards the idea of limited gov’t, and gov’t deriving from the consent of the governed.

Moreover, it is a red herring, in that it does not address what the money is being spent on, whether such spending is appropriate, and whether the tax rates make sense. It is simply saying that everyone owes everythign to the state and therefore should be happy to give it all back to the state. that’s not an argument for higher taxes, it is an argument for communism.

Conservatives don’t question whether the gov’t has the power to tax, or whether things like roads and law enforcement are appropriate gov’t expenditures. So arguing – “hey, you wouldn’t even have a factory without roads and law enforcement” is just silly.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:20 PM

PROGRESSIVEGasm has begun.

Say the words TAX HIKE and watch get all flushed and start shaking.

Tax Hikes are to Progressives as Meth is to toothless wrinkled addicts.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Also one of Time’s Most Influential People 2009, 2010. This coming from the magazine that asked whether the U.S. Constitution was still relevant. Barf.

RDE2010 on September 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM

She has made a false argument because of one glaring flaw!

The business comes first not the government. A profitiable organization is created. People move and surround the farm, port, factory whatever (example: Jamestown Settlement). After a while, this group of people form a government.

Government comes much later. People have gathered together with some successful means that create livily-hood and stability (i.e. business). It does not work the other way around.

People will not flock to a government and then create a business.

aigle on September 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM

What about the 50% who pay $0 in taxes and also use the highways every day? They don’t need to pay anything back to society, right Lizzie?
angryed on September 22, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Careful with that one. They might not be paying taxes for the police that protect them on that highway, or for the military that keeps them free, but they did buy gas, so they did pay the gas taxes that maintain the highway.

Count to 10 on September 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM

This shows quite clearly that liberalism is foundationally communist.

Boiled down to its essence, her argument is “all things are derived from the state”. You have some success? You owe it to the state.

It is the idea of the state as the font of all things. The state created microsoft, b/c the state did all the necessary things to allow Bill Gates’ parents to meet and breed, and then did all things necessary to allow Bill to grow up and creat Microsoft.

So, if the state decides to simply take Microsoft, it is not theft as the state created microsoft.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Did crr6 get banned and re-register?

fiatboomer on September 22, 2011 at 4:25 PM

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.

There is never been a case where Socialism has built up a country on it’s own.

It always has to ride on the back of the achiever’s and producer to create enough wealth that can be stolen by the National Socialists.

As soon as it become evident that achievement is being punished, producers stop producing and society stagnates.

Is that what the Left wants?

Because that is what is happening Right Now.

Chip on September 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Hence the difference between “clearly” and “probably”. Thanks for maintaining the standard low level of reading comprehension on the site.
Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Extrapolate: To estimate values outside a known range; conjecture; infer.

Were you not extrapolating a belief based on your own preconceptions? Sure you were, but if hiding behind the word “probably” makes you feel better, by all means you have my permission.

Bishop on September 22, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Not unexpected but what’s scary is that many sheeple in the crowd cheered in support of this gold medal display of mental gymnastics. That so many useful idiots vote into power these marxists will be the death of this country. Bank on it… until they take over the banks too of course.

Yakko77 on September 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM

This shows quite clearly that liberalism is foundationally communist.

Boiled down to its essence, her argument is “all things are derived from the state”. You have some success? You owe it to the state.

It is the idea of the state as the font of all things. The state created microsoft, b/c the state did all the necessary things to allow Bill Gates’ parents to meet and breed, and then did all things necessary to allow Bill to grow up and creat Microsoft.

So, if the state decides to simply take Microsoft, it is not theft as the state created microsoft.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Aren’t they really saying that Like everything else, you are the property of the state and therefore your time and you labor is also the state’s.

Else, why would it be okay for the state to take whatever it wants from you?

Chip on September 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory

Really? Tell that to GM stock holders.

Lily on September 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Rush completely disassembled this pinhead today. Not one of the things she cites is possible without private companies building something that makes it possible FIRST. All the way to paving equipment and materials to pave her vaunted roads.

PJ Emeritus on September 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM

To me, it’s not important as to who came first and who did what once upon a time, but what we will end up with…and what ideals and liberties we can hold on to.

Economic and social systems change whether we like it or not. Neither we nor the Marxists can consciously control social and economic evolution.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Not unexpected but what’s scary is that many sheeple in the crowd cheered in support of this gold medal display of mental gymnastics. That so many useful idiots vote into power these marxists will be the death of this country. Bank on it… until they take over the banks too of course.
Yakko77 on September 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM

It isn’t even really mental gymnastics; it’s mental laziness.

Count to 10 on September 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Aren’t they really saying that Like everything else, you are the property of the state and therefore your time and you labor is also the state’s.

Else, why would it be okay for the state to take whatever it wants from you?

Chip on September 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Well, you would not exist without the state. W/o the state’s laws and law enforcement, it would be chaos and only the strongest would survive. therefore, obviously, you owe your existence to the state. The same way a factory owes its existence to the state b/c of laws, roads, etc. each individual too owes his or her existence to the state. After all, “it takes a village”.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Rush completely disassembled this pinhead today. Not one of the things she cites is possible without private companies building something that makes it possible FIRST. All the way to paving equipment and materials to pave her vaunted roads.

PJ Emeritus on September 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Please. Obviously the state would have done all of that much more efficiently if we just let it take over everything. I don’t understand why you people don’t understand that the state deserves complete obediance.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:38 PM

“You take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

As usual, the straw is showing through another progressives sleeves.

Tell me MS. Warren, define “hunk”.

Whatsamatteryou?

Come on Ms. Courageous, show me a number. A percentage.

How much Ms. Red Star? 65%? 45%?

Show me the number or STFU!

Opposite Day on September 22, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Obviously, her argument, at it’s most simplistic is true.

Yes, the social construct that we have created through the U.S. Constitution, etc., provides a gov’t that establishes law and order, including roads, law enforcement, etc., which allows people the ability to engage in commerce in a fairly civilized manner and acquire wealth.

Absent some form of social construct, we would be in anarchy.

But, that has absolutely nothing to do with whether the things the gov’t currently spends money on is appropriate, makes sense, is effective, or should continue. It also has nothing to do with what the tax rates should be.

It is just a simplistic way of saying “gov’t does do some necessary and important things.” And? How does that translate into the idea that higher taxes is the right policy? Or that gov’t should be giving millions of dollars to a company like Solyndra? Or that we should be deficit spending?

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Anyone up for a “study” comparing what factory owners contribute to society, as compared to Harvard lawyer trash?

MNHawk on September 22, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

When the writer, writes incomprehensibly, they are ignored, or admonished. Which is why you’re either ignored, or admonished. See? Get it? :D

capejasmine on September 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.

Things that are common to all are not variables in the difference of outcomes. This is one of the dumbest class warfare arguments.

It begs the obvious question, So, since everyone
has access to these roads we all pay for, what is the excuse for everyone not moving their goods to market over these roads?

“workers the rest of us paid to educate” Since all Americans get a free K-12 education, what is the excuse or reason all Americans don’t have a factory that produces goods?

“You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for”

Is this idiot saying that police-forces and fire-forces ONLY protect factories? Is she saying the owner of the factory doesn’t pay for police-forces and fire-forces, education, roads?
If not then ALL of her points are pointless, as they are common to ALL Americans.

In fact this is a good argument for a flat, non-progressive tax system.

By her argument, the ONLY variable tween those who get rich and those that don’t IS the individual.

BTW, Why dose this idiot speak in past-tense? “who got rich” “You hired” “You were safe” “You didn’t have” “you built a”
Strange.

DSchoen on September 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM

It is just a simplistic way of saying “gov’t does do some necessary and important things.” And? How does that translate into the idea that higher taxes is the right policy? Or that gov’t should be giving millions of dollars to a company like Solyndra? Or that we should be deficit spending?
Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Not only that, but she seems to breeze right by the fact that her list of useful things the government does doesn’t include the wealth transfers she is trying to argue a tax hike to pay for.

Count to 10 on September 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM

What the idiot is basically saying is “you don’t have private property, the collective owns your income and your assets, we will let you know how much you can keep”

David in ATL on September 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Warren talks about all the stuff we all agree that we should pay for.

That doesn’t seem to be the problem. Before we talk about tax hikes–if ever–let’s get back to reviewing what government should be involved and where it should be doing so more effectively.

Not a dime more until the sh*t gets flushed out of the system.

There’s no excuse for “Well, that’s just the way it’s always been.”

BuckeyeSam on September 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM

I want to see this social contract you speak of. I know a lawer that can get us out of it.

maineconservative on September 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

[scratches head]

???

And your blog is still a failure.

stvnscott on September 22, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Clearly, this constantine fellow is domed to failure. What the real socialists want is for everyone to be dragged down to their level of failure.

So, constantine, what are the chances that YOU would ever even attempt to start your own business?

Freddy on September 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Obviously, her argument, at it’s most simplistic is true.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

No, it is not true at any level. It is pure iignorant drivel designed to distract from reality. It is the product of an academic mind that has no basis in the real world.

Freddy on September 22, 2011 at 4:55 PM

When I start my business I will be sure to not hire anyone who is publicly educated (home-schoolers only)and to ship my product by air or train. Also to set up my company in a right to work state.

theguardianii on September 22, 2011 at 4:56 PM

that we all need to bow down to the factory owner and relieve him from paying taxes because we’re so fortunate that he’ll allow us to participate in the business he built all by himself. In a vacuum. Job creators! Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I love how the left think they are so right then they have to lie to say what they want. Warren was clearly inssinuating that “the rest of us” paid for the roads and police while the factory owners didn’t. That’s a lie. Now you take the simpletons arguing point that if we don’t agree with more taxes then we want him to pay no taxes. That’s a lie.

If your ideas are so great and you want to cut spending in the tax code raise taxes just be honest about it. Don’t try to use clever wording and out right lies.

Ampersand on September 22, 2011 at 4:59 PM

This video clip is one of the most insanely idiotic, myopic statements I’ve ever heard from someone claiming to be educated. My five year old can punch holes in it…and not only that, in one breath she rails against class warfare and then proceeds to sow the seeds of class warfare by setting up an ‘us vs. them’ straw man.

bilups on September 22, 2011 at 5:01 PM

She reminds me a lot of Martha Coakley and Dick Blumenthal. They called Dick Blumenthal “Martha Coakley in Pants.” I will call Elizabeth Warren “Martha Coakley in Pants in a Sweater.”

steebo77 on September 22, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Gee, she is so right…in fact:
No one was ever born alone
No one learned to change clothes on their own
No one ever had an original thought
No one learned to drive alone
No one ever got a job alone
No one ever learned to paint/sculpture alone
No one ever invented something on their own
No one ever talked alone
No one learned to read on their own
No one learned to eat on their own
No one ever wrote an original column on their own
No one ever earned their pay writing on their own
Her argument is like many…take it to the extreme and nothing makes sense…
Or as someone famous once wrote:
No generality is worth a damn, including this one.
Not sure if it was original since he had heard those words somewhere.

right2bright on September 22, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Elizabeth Warren obviously does not believe in “Government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people”: so what is her alternative theory???

Perhaps she believes “In the beginning was the Government“? If so, then was the “Big Bang” a properly-licensed and government-approved event? And if government is truly omniscient and in charge of everything, how come nobody in government seems to know what will happen next??

If Warren’s belief is not “In the beginning was the Government“, then where does she think government came from?…who does it serve, and from where does it derive its legitimacy and power??

landlines on September 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Business owners are the parasites. The people are the hosts. – Elizabeth Warren

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

I love how she also pretends all our taxes go to roads and police and schools. If that’s what taxes paid for them we’d have more than enough already. I we don’t have enough for those basics the how can they justify all their other spending. Solendra isn’t an isolated case. They can’t prioritize their money correctly so then just need more.

I know people like that. They have a nice car but have to beg the father for grocery money. They take vacations but need help with the rent.

The government is BAD with money. And their answer is more money. It’s just like people out there who know there is a government check or a family member with an open checkbook. We the people are the adult here with a checkbook and the government is a immature mooch who makes bad life decisions.

Really. Whenever the mooch comes to beg for money it’s never for fun stuff. They aren’t stupid enough to ask for money beer or for a weekend getaway. It’s always for groceries, or gas, or rent. The governments groceries/gas/rent is police/roads/schools. C’mon you mean rich people! They just need more money to cover the basics.

Ampersand on September 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

As you drive through Mexico, you see the workers shoveling asphalt o the road by hand, after a dump truck dumps the steaming mass on the road, smoothed out by hand, than a roller comes and “tamps” it down.
We have large asphalt specialty trucks that do it in one “motion”…In china to get bricks to the higher floors of a building a brick building they are often tossed up one at time, up a human chain…we use forklifts manufactured by “wealthy men”…the roads are built by wealthy companies, to deliver the bricks to build the building for the wealthy men…and she will rely on that wealth to get elected…

right2bright on September 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Obviously, her argument, at it’s most simplistic is true.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Too bad it’s not. In its most simplistic form, it’s 180 degrees backwards.

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

I love how she also pretends all our taxes go to roads and police and schools.

Ampersand on September 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

This is what they do every time. Cut spending? Sure! We’ll cut schools and police and fire.

Let’s nevermind that we waste so much tax dollars in what amounts to projects that have never worked and only exist to keep government workers busy.

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM

I know so many people like Elizabeth Warren. (I live in Massachsuetts, went to Harvard Law, and did graduate work in science before that.)

The academics, the bureaucrats, the pols, all think they are very smart. They all think that their contribution to society is enormous. Without them, society would fall apart. But, for the most part, they max out at salaries in the $200K range.

It galls them — absolutely drives them crazy — that people in the private sector can make more. That a factory owner can make more than a Harvard professor, an administrator in an agency, or a member of Congress. They refuse to admit that they make less because they are worth less. Their egos cause them to reject the market and capitalism, because the market and capitalism have set a lower price on their skills than that of the entrepreneur. If the businessman is richer than the professor, its because the system is unfair, and therefore the businessman must be taxed more.

You see this to a lesser degree amongst mid-level management, paralegals, school teachers, and the like. They work with the high-achieving high-earners, or see their students go on to become high-achieving high-earners, and they think “They couldn’t do what they do without me,” or “That could have been me if I had the chance.” And is there anyone alive who hasn’t heard a school teacher say she has “the most important job in the world – educating children,” but is amazed that she doesn’t make as much as a doctor for teaching chldren the contents of the same one or two textbooks year after year after year? Again, these people reject the market because they must; because they can’t live with the market’s verdict.

Curiously, I don’t see this with manual laborers, and I have known quite a few. They all seem to know that they don’t have the smarts to be lawyers or scientists, and marvel at the rich without the envy that the middle class shows. They’re more likely to say, “Bill Gates is a f’ing genius, man, look at all the stuff he’s done” than to say “Bill Gates drives on the roads that I pave, so he should be taxed more.”

Sometimes I catch myself saying, “It’s unfair that a handful of men who can do irrelevant things like throw basketballs or hit baseballs make more money than a Harvard educated lawyer.” But I don’t advocate that the sports stars should be taxed more. Perhaps because I understand that their skills are very rare and the market has set a high price for those very rare skills. Or perhaps because I know they’ll piss it away anyway. ;-)

SwampYankee on September 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/09/22/elizabeth-warren-will-raise-taxes-on-the-poor/#postcomment

Watch the video. A spoof on Lizzy Warren.

Ricki on September 22, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Someone’s been taking strawman lessons from Ernesto.

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Elizardness: In “fairness“:

If the proposal is that EVERYBODY should be able to do with less…especially the wealthiest…shouldn’t we BEGIN by requiring GOVERNMENT to do with LESS??? After all, isn’t government wealthier than everybody???

landlines on September 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM

…In china to get bricks to the higher floors of a building a brick building they are often tossed up one at time, up a human chain…

right2bright on September 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Friend of mine was working in Taiwan building a coal power plant. The boilers were ready to test fire but the conveyor system that delivered coal to the bunkers was not ready. They actually hired several hundred coolies to walk small baskets of coal from the coal yard up about 8 stories and then dump their little baskets into the bunkers. Human conveyor working 24/7 had the bunkers filled in a very short period of time.

Oldnuke on September 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM

You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for.

Ok, so we can agree this is the proper function of government. I’d add the military and courts. Then stop. Okay?

Oh, and

You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory

???

Oh, really? I guess private security doesn’t exist, nor does crime because the police are sooooooooooo perfect. If wishes were $$.

Pablo Snooze on September 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Actually, you could get rid of education too. The private market would do this much better.

Pablo Snooze on September 22, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Clearly? No. Not what she said, and not what she meant. Quite a stretch for you to extrapolate all that, probably because all you have in response is the simple-minded elitist nonsense that we all need to bow down to the factory owner and relieve him from paying taxes because we’re so fortunate that he’ll allow us to participate in the business he built all by himself. In a vacuum. Job creators! Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

You beautifully demonstrate your own communist ideology while decrying Allahpundit for pointing out Warren’s.

In reality the factory owner has contributed more to society – both in terms of taxes/fees going to government and employment provided – than you have or ever will.

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I wish more Dems would openly discuss their approach to humanity this way and stop pretending to be “center-Left” or whatever. Just take the mask off already.

visions on September 22, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this —

Now the marauding bands come in the form of IRS agents and EPA officials. And you have to hire accountants, lawyers and lobbyists to protect against this. I’m not sure which is better. ;)

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM

h please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Nutter. My gut tells me you are a mooch as well.

CW on September 22, 2011 at 5:36 PM

You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.

So companies pay no taxes?

CW on September 22, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Clearly if the federal government doesn’t spend 4+ Trillion dollars a year (much of which is borrowed) we won’t have roads or schools and society will collapse.

These things need to be kept in perspective. The Democrats have successfully – for the moment – shifted the focus to how much people pay in taxes (and lying about it) and away from how much they are spending.

When we focus on how much we are spending and borrowing then the tax issues is completely irrelevant because you could tax the fat cats at 100% and you still wouldn’t come close to paying for everything. The real issue is spending and massive government.

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.

Given that schools are funded with property taxes for the most part; that’s an odd statement, given that to build a factory you must, you know, have property to build it on.

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:40 PM

The stop gap budget plan failed because the Democrats did want to lose money out the fund that pays citizens to buy electric cars. Why would the government be paying people to buy any kind of car. The government has lost its’ collective minds.

Cindy Munford on September 22, 2011 at 5:41 PM

The only thing more pathetic than an idiot who doesn’t know anything about anything, is an idiot who doesn’t know anything about anything but thinks they know a lot and are really, really angry about the things they don’t know anything about.

And that pathetic idiot is Elizabeth Warren. No wonder liberals like her.

For example, consider her level of knowledge about road work funding…

Jaibones on September 22, 2011 at 5:42 PM

The only thing more pathetic than an idiot who doesn’t know anything about anything, is an idiot who doesn’t know anything about anything but thinks they know a lot and are really, really angry about the things they don’t know anything about.

And that pathetic idiot is Elizabeth Warren. No wonder liberals like her.

For example, consider her level of knowledge about road work funding…

Jaibones on September 22, 2011 at 5:42 PM

The problem with liberals is not what they don’t know but what they know that isn’t so.

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Watched this on Live-Leak,last night,I should of posted it!!

She’s Bat Sh*t Crazy,no doubt,and supreb Propaghanda Fuzzy
Liberal math!!
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http://elizabethwarren.com/splash

canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

If liberals want to talk about what’s fair that’s fine with me – how about this – they have no problem spending money based on labor that hasn’t been produced yet by people that haven’t been born yet to create their “just” society. How is that fair to them? Somehow I think that future generations will look a lot more kindly on dastardly factory owners than they will politicians and special interest groups that spent the fruits of their labor decades before they started working.

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I’m pretty sure that some family who got rich off gin running during prohibition got rich on their own. Can’t remember which family that was exactly, though. ;)

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I’m pretty sure that some family who got rich off gin running during prohibition got rich on their own. Can’t remember which family that was exactly, though. ;)

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM

The Kopechne family?

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM

What the idiot is basically saying is “you don’t have private property, the collective owns your income and your assets, we will let you know how much you can keep”

David in ATL on September 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Chavez did, does, and will continue to do that in Venezuela…and look how great it’s working out for those people. Well…the people on the inside of the regime are happy. I think.

capejasmine on September 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM

What the idiot is basically saying is “you don’t have private property, the collective owns your income and your assets, we will let you know how much you can keep”

David in ATL on September 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Using her logic those of us who pay federal income taxes can take the property of those who don’t. They owe us!

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Just when I thought there was nothing that could get me to cheer for Scott Brown, up pops Elizabeth Warren…. Massachusetts your choice is clear, RINO or Socialist.

It’s within margin of error but why are there 10% undecideds?

Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Human conveyor working 24/7 had the bunkers filled in a very short period of time.

Oldnuke on September 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Warren’s paradise…

right2bright on September 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Anyone who thinks Scott Brown is a “liberal”, take a look at this bat crazy woman, she’s a liberal.
Yes Brown is more liberal than a “normal” Republican, but nothing like what the liberals are today…just as crazy as a loon…

right2bright on September 22, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I’m pretty sure that some family who got rich off gin running during prohibition got rich on their own. Can’t remember which family that was exactly, though. ;)

lorien1973 on September 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM
The Kopechne family?

gwelf on September 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Let me guess. Does it begin with a Kenn, and end with an eddy?

capejasmine on September 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Taranto’s bit on this in Best of the Web today hit’s it out of the park.

Scrappy on September 22, 2011 at 6:22 PM

The implication, clearly, is that no amount would ever be fair. “We” built an entire civic infrastructure around this factory, without which it couldn’t operate, so really the factory owner can never thank us enough. It’s a blank check for tax hikes unto eternity. In essence: “I helped pay for that sidewalk, now give me your wallet.”

Clearly? No. Not what she said, and not what she meant. Quite a stretch for you to extrapolate all that, probably because all you have in response is the simple-minded elitist nonsense that we all need to bow down to the factory owner and relieve him from paying taxes because we’re so fortunate that he’ll allow us to participate in the business he built all by himself. In a vacuum. Job creators! Oh please, job creators! We’ll give you whatever you want, just don’t take away our jobs!

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM

No one is advocating “bowing down to the property owner and relieve him from paying taxes.” You Socialists don’t seem to understand that the “evil factory owner” and the Government can work together in a mutually beneficial relationship.

Remember, in many communities, the “evil factory owner” is often the town or city’s largest employer-and also its largest taxpayer. But all that municipality’s Government has to do is raise taxes on that largest taxpayer, and they’re gone to another state or even another country. And they will take all those jobs with them.

That’s not “simple-minded thinking”, kid, it’s reality. I live in a part of the country where I have seen it happen time and again.

It’s interested to note that the taxpayers of the “State” Ms. Warren wants to represent had no trouble funding $72 million worth of infrastructure for a 100% privately financed “evil factory” a few years back, because they knew that public help in helping said “evil factory” would be mutually beneficial to one and all.

That “evil factory”, BTW, has a name. It’s Gillette Stadium. As I said the entire stadium itself was privately built, the only one of its kind in the country. But it would have been built in another state without the Government working hand in hand with the owners, instead of trying to tax them away.

Del Dolemonte on September 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Thanks for maintaining the standard low level of reading comprehension on the site.

Constantine on September 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Translated: “I just got pwned, so it’s time for Saul Alinsky!”

Del Dolemonte on September 22, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Not only is everything you say true, but the twit Elizabeth Warren implies that the factory owner does not pay plenty of taxes for those very same services (many of which are not even a federal responsibility) and that the factory owner only takes from others in this “social contract” that she describes.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM

SwampYankee on September 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM

A+

Del Dolemonte on September 22, 2011 at 6:34 PM

She would kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Envy can make you stupid, Lizzy.

An old Russian joke tells the story of a peasant with one cow who hates his neighbor because he has two. A sorcerer offers to grant the envious farmer a single wish. “Kill one of my neighbor’s cows!” he demands.

The envious farmer (socialism) wants to take away his neighbor’s cow so his neighbor will have less. The greedy farmer (capitalism) wants to breed cows so he’ll have more.

petefrt on September 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM

A Dark Fact

tetriskid on September 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Oh I did not see Boone Pickens on there. Although I am sure that he has to speak to, and deal with, many on his many projects.

There was a bio of our lovely though.The worst part, aside from her infecting young minds, was a description of her work advising top government leaders.

I shudder at the damage this lady has done. Jack Daniels.

IlikedAUH2O on September 22, 2011 at 6:59 PM

So am I still dumb for living in MA and supporting Scott Brown? Do you get it now? We don’t get a choice between a RINO and a Tea Party conservative. We get a choice between a RINO and a communist.

And actually this is an improvement! Most of the time we get a choice between a socialist and a communist.

Your time and money was not wasted supporting Scott Brown people. It’s just a shame that Fat Kennedy didn’t even have the decency to die with more time left on his term.

SittingDeadRed on September 22, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Her voice is SO screeching. I can’t imagine one male voting for her. Talk about reminding one of the ex-wife.

Marcus on September 22, 2011 at 7:20 PM

You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for.

Huh? Didn’t all of the taxpayers pay for those items or services? Did the factory owner get a reprieve somehow?

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2011 at 7:22 PM

These things need to be kept in perspective. The Democrats media have successfully – for the moment – shifted the focus to how much people pay in taxes (and lying about it) and away from how much they are spending.

FIFY

SittingDeadRed on September 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM

In the spirit of full disclosure, care to disclose your current portfolio and last year’s tax returns Ms. Warren?

diogenes on September 22, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Sounds like a pseudo Marxist…..Funny thing is it wouldn’t suprise me if she beat Scott Brown.

therightwinger on September 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Annnnd….there it is. We are property of the state in the mind of the socialists.

Fight back now, or forever regret your cowardice.

KMC1 on September 22, 2011 at 8:59 PM

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