Mike Mullen: Pakistani intelligence was behind the attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul
posted at 5:53 pm on September 22, 2011 by Allahpundit
In which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff expressly accuses our “ally,” to whom we send billions each year in economic and military aid, of plotting terrorist attacks against us. That’s an act of war, no different from what Iran does when it uses Shiite militia proxies in Lebanon and Iraq to influence events there. In the abstract, this should be a page-one banner headline on the front page of today’s Times.
In reality, at this point I can’t imagine there’s a man or woman anywhere who’s surprised enough to consider it “news.”
Mullen said Pakistan’s government has chosen to “use violent extremism as an instrument of policy,” adding that “by exporting violence [via the Haqqani network], they have eroded their internal security and their position in the region. They have undermined their international credibility and threatened their economic well-being.”…
Mullen, who has met frequently with his Pakistani counterpart, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, over the past few years, said in prepared remarks for the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that the Haqqanis have “long enjoyed the support and protection of the Pakistani government” and are “in many ways a strategic arm” of Pakistan’s main intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency. He said the Haqqanis were behind several recent major attacks in Afghanistan, including the embassy attack and a Sept. 10 truck bomb that killed five Afghans and injured 77 U.S. soldiers…
The increasingly tough U.S. rhetoric — particularly the accusation of a proxy relationship — reflects a U.S. belief that Pakistani intelligence in recent months has more aggressively facilitated attacks by the Haqqanis on Afghan and American targets inside Afghanistan, one senior military official said. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said it’s unclear whether Pakistani leaders intend to heed U.S. warnings.
Reading that, I wonder who was behind the bombing that killed former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani earlier this week. Rabbani was a bridge between the Taliban and remnants of the Northern Alliance in the current Afghan government. According to western diplomats, he had reached out to members of the Taliban on possible peace talks. Afghan intelligence thinks the Taliban leadership ordered the assassination to derail the talks before they got going but the NYT notes that any number of groups could have been involved — including the Haqqanis. If so, it wouldn’t be the first time Pakistan had done something drastic to upset peace talks that weren’t being conducted on their terms. Remember when they kidnapped the Taliban’s number two, Mullah Baradar, to shut him up? They’re supplying the Taliban too, of course, so in a sense it doesn’t much which group’s fingerprints are on the bombing. They’re all attached to Pakistani arms.
We have two realistic options for retaliation, I think, and one unrealistic option. First: Cut aid. It’s belt-tightening time here at home and we sent them $4.4 billion last year. Let them make do with whatever they can get from China. When they inevitably threaten to withhold cooperation on terrorism, threaten to step up counterterror cooperation with India, replete with sharing cutting-edge military technology. Two: Start quietly targeting rogue ISI officers in case we’re not doing that already. There’s huge risk in that, obviously, as it’s bound to damage intel sharing, but maybe that’s a risk worth running if fear inside ISI would lead them to scale back their sponsorship of jihadi outfits. Three, the unrealistic option: Do something about their nuclear weapons. What that “something” might be, I have no idea — I don’t know the extent of U.S./Indian capabilities — but their nuclear arsenal is the ultimate problem in dealing with them. As things stand, we can never push back too hard to their provocations lest the country be destabilized and jihadis end up with nuclear arrows in their quiver. Without that variable, there’d be much less risk to confronting Pakistan directly and letting the chips fall where they may; even if it meant radicals taking over the government, the inevitable conventional war with India would eventually dislodge them. With the nuclear variable in the equation, though, it’s too risky to make any sudden moves. And Pakistan knows it only too well: It’s no coincidence that they’ve been ramping up nuclear production in the last few years even as the country’s become less stable. If we can’t do anything about it — and we almost certainly can’t — then the world will be a hostage to them forever. Maybe we should start thanking them for “only” targeting one of our embassies now and then instead of doing something cataclysmically nutty. Thanks, Pakistan!









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Nuke ‘em till they glow. Teach them the meaning of “fear.”
Roy Rogers on September 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM
From “ally” to frenemies who continue to receive loads of cash we don’t have minus the outrage. Nice. Is there anything worse than apathy while on our way to serfdom?
conservative pilgrim on September 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM
Well, Pakistan is hardly a unified entity against whom we can direct our fury. There are certainly those Pakistanis that want to make nice with the US and denounce jihadbots everywhere, and there is the ISI. Makes it a tricky situation doubly, er triply complicated by the presence of nuclear weapons and India. Ah well. What’s another war when we’ve got
1, 2, 3, already goin’ on/?ted c on September 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM
Is this the same country that gave aid and comfort to OBL..?
d1carter on September 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM
That seems like a no-brainer, but then we have spendaholics in charge…
Three is off the table with Democrats in charge. No way.
conservative pilgrim on September 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM
Well, maybe Obama. He probably doesn’t have much time to keep up with trivial stuff like this, between his campaign and golf.
malclave on September 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM
Somehow Israel is to blame.
rob verdi on September 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM
Cut off all their aid, get our troops out of Afghanistan, and then take all their Dunkin’ Donuts and 7-11 franchises away from them.
Enough already.
Knucklehead on September 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM
Obligatory mention of missing George W. Bush here.
turfmann on September 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM
Hey! Let’s not get hasty here. Priorities…
turfmann on September 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM
Well…
… At least I know I can sleep soundly at night knowing that Barak Hussein Obowma is on the job.
Oh, wait…!
/
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM
I agree we need to cut funding immediately; if anything has been appropriated and unspent, take whatever action is necessary to put that money toward our debt. I don’t care if it’s $3. End all aid to Pakistan.
As for information sharing- if they’re conducting military operations against the US -even by proxy- then what are the chances we’re getting reliable info in the first place? Probably next to nil. We have to assume they were behind the 9/11 anniversary scare.
Cut them off. The question is, does Barry have the guts?
BKeyser on September 22, 2011 at 6:06 PM
Maybe fire up the Orbital Space Laser Cannon,and scorch
their navy!!(snark)
Crap,I mean,task a mission to the
X-37B,and get the bugs worked out
over a Puck E Stan E target!!
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM
Some how some way the current WH squatters will find a way to blame booooooooooooosh.
SHARPTOOTH on September 22, 2011 at 6:09 PM
1) A strongly worded letter
2) PBHO bowing to the head of the ISI
Bishop on September 22, 2011 at 6:10 PM
I wonder why the US isn’t having very public, and very loud discussions with India regarding the security of the region…?
… That usually gets Pakistan’s attention.
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM
“We have two realistic options for retaliation,…”
Well…
… At least I know I can sleep soundly at night knowing that Barak Hussein Obowma is on the job.
Oh, wait…!
/
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM
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All the dim witted liberals said FAKE!!
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canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM
We have two realistic options for retaliation
1) A strongly worded letter
2) PBHO bowing to the head of the ISI
Bishop on September 22, 2011 at 6:10 PM
Bishop:What!! NO Speech!!—–:)
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:15 PM
we learned for sure we were at war with Pakistan when we got Bin Laden
jp on September 22, 2011 at 6:15 PM
Hopey,will pull out da big guns,his Awesome Oratorical Super
Weapon!
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM
That video is priceless…
… Thanks buddy!
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Before we retaliate against Pakistan for supporting an attack on embassy that wounded 77 of our soldiers, shouldn’t we retaliate against Saudi Arabia for supporting the Sep 11 skyjackings which killed three thousand Americans? Or maybe we should just load up the B-1s and B-2s with nukes and do them both at once.
Tantor on September 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM
I’m not worried as long as we have the bestest community agitator as our president.
arnold ziffel on September 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM
Why threaten to increase our cooperation with India?
Why aren’t we already making India a steadfast ally? I mean we are already tied to them economically. Culturally we are much closer to them and they to us. Hell, we even have two very young and high profile govenors (and maybe someday Presidential candidates) whose parents are from India.
SPCOlympics on September 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM
Hello, Iran anybody? Terrorists already have “nuclear arrows in their quiver”, any time Achmadnutjob wants to give it to them. We’ve just about lost control in that part of the world, and we’re already in a war. It’s just that the real serious shooting hasn’t started yet.
RebeccaH on September 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM
Military Alliance with India. That’s been my position for a couple years now, Colonel Ralph Peters is right and it is time to take sides and deliver consequences.
Daemonocracy on September 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM
No doubt the pentagon has a plan for Pakistan. I am sure it’s been updated often since Sept 11, 2001.
Pakistan doesn’t want us to leave Afghanistan, the war on terror has been lucrative for the Paks- who are basically welfare monkeys, living off of international aid. Hunting OBL is not an enticement for us to stay in the region anymore. Al Qeada is back on it’s heels.
We have an ally in the region at some point we are going to have to hand off policing to someone in the Pakistanis neighborhood.
Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 6:21 PM
And 53% thought it’d be a good idea to have a wishy-washy jelly-spine donkocrat in the White House?
Tony737 on September 22, 2011 at 6:23 PM
Fantastic…another war coming. I wouldn’t follow this President to a vending machine, so I can’t imagine how the military feels.
stuartm650 on September 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM
That video is priceless…
… Thanks buddy!
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Seven Percent Solution:Hopey is am imitation of,*A man of the
World*,as Leftys love to pretend he is!:)
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM
You either root out murdering psychos when they are still getting energized or you have a real mess. See 1930s Europe.
And ain’t it the way it goes? We got goofs who really have WMDs and lookie at who is running the wagon train. I knew some of us were gonna pay with our scalps.
IlikedAUH2O on September 22, 2011 at 6:26 PM
Bomb these guys. And give the land back to India.
Iblis on September 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM
Hey, Mike. Did you miss all this while you were helping to turn the military into a social experiment?
hawkdriver on September 22, 2011 at 6:29 PM
:) Nice!
WhoU4 on September 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM
And a lady in Richmond, Virginia said that they were dancing in the street as the returns came in. Se was a hyper lib who couldn’t believe that I thought He was overrated.
Oooooooooohhhh you just can’t think that. Why I had to hear just awful things in Europe when Bush was in there..
IlikedAUH2O on September 22, 2011 at 6:32 PM
Earth will be a nicer place.
Roy Rogers on September 22, 2011 at 6:32 PM
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canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:33 PM
While reading this article, I have a question. With the Fast and Furious program arming the drug cartel in Mexico, is this, too, considered an act of war? Mexico has been in the dark the whole time.
djaymick on September 22, 2011 at 6:42 PM
natch
:)
cmsinaz on September 22, 2011 at 6:42 PM
amen
cmsinaz on September 22, 2011 at 6:43 PM
kamikazes? Now were Japanese?
Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:33 PM
kamikazes? Now we’re Japanese?
Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM
Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 6:47 PM
Iran is just a tiny country and is no threat to us.
a capella on September 22, 2011 at 6:47 PM
There’s a problem with cutting aid. See…it’s not real aid. It’s a bribe. We bribe them to let us transport supplies into Afghanistan. We cut off aid and we lose those supply lines. There are other methods of bringing supplies in, but they are much more costly.
Having said that, I agree with some that we should be forging a stronger alliance with India. They are the Paki’s archenemy. They are also a competitor to China and by strengthening India we gain leverage. I’d much rather be importing low cost crap from India rather than China. Every dollar that China receives goes to strengthening a military that we may some day be fighting. India is much more in line with our values and faces the same problems with muslim extremists. Of course an alliance with India may cause the Paki’s to close those same supply routes we bribe them for, so there are some trade offs.
ReaganWasRight on September 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Well….er…yeah, in the old days when wars were declared. Nowdays we use different wording and leave Congress out of it.
a capella on September 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM
You can keep the Paki’s in line with a simple statement. “Would you like us to become more friendly with India?”
GarandFan on September 22, 2011 at 6:52 PM
The nukes are the key: neutralize those somehow, and Pakstan becomes more pliable. Next, go after ISI officer assets overseas. Loak them out of Switzerland, have their debit cards get rejected, their credit cards rejected, and their London homes suddenly seized for back taxes…
That’s the sort of quiet diplomacy I like.
MTF on September 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:33 PM
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kamikazes? Now were Japanese?
Dr Evil on September 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM
Dr.Evil:Yup,but its the Tea Party Pilots!
This has got to be the most stupidest/moronic
behaviour yet,from the Left,that I heard on Chrissy
“Tingles” Show,and when I find that video,I’ll post
it!:)
canopfor on September 22, 2011 at 6:59 PM
There has been a series of turban bomb assassinations. To follow Afghanistan news…
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/Afghanistan
Don your thinking cap. They list our unfriendlies’ headlines also.
I don’t see any point in linking the turbans to Pakistan. We already know the fertilizer for general bomb-making comes from Pakistan and apparently we don’t care about that.
tuffy on September 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM
There is a forth option!
We can report the ISI to Attackwatch.gov! Ya buddy! That will get Obama’s attention fer sure!
DSchoen on September 22, 2011 at 7:03 PM
when is that annual check for billions going to them?
Hening on September 22, 2011 at 7:11 PM
Bush is shocked, shocked. For 8 years he swore up and down that Pakistan was our “ally in the war on terror.” He honestly believed that the problem of islamic fundamentalism was just a few terrorists and the rest of islam was peaceful and loving and all they wanted was freedom and a Coke. He never understood the world. Wasn’t smart enough.
keep the change on September 22, 2011 at 7:20 PM
I think you’re oversimplifying your point here. For the majority of President Bush’s tenure he was working with then President Pervez Musharraf who was very much on our side. We did cross border mission pretty much unopposed under him and his administration did very much so, cooperate with us. I can appreciate a healthy criticism of any president, but come on. This rewriting of history one way or the other with Bush is just wrong.
hawkdriver on September 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM
If I was the Grand Raggity Mahdi Corporation I’d sucker the west into some godforsaken place where it costs $100.00 to bring in a gallon of gas or a gallon of ice cream. That would take the starch, cash, blood and morale out of the infidel without risking the Muslim “heavy cavalry” in an open contest sure to be lost.But that would just be my distraction and bleeding operation. My major thrust would be in demographic change and societal infiltration at all levels. Using oil wealth to seduce the Academic world into self censorship and a free pass for Islam. I would be the wests greatest friend by supplying the information and the helpful aides to steer the west through the sacred murky tides of Allah. I would choose the weaker, more gullible political side of the west and seek to give and receive aid and cover. I’d subvert political and business powers with deals they can not resist.
But that’s just me. Islam, as we all know is spectacularly peaceful and totally bound to the bone with love, justice and tolerance. That’s what W said anyway.
BL@KBIRD on September 22, 2011 at 8:22 PM
Blast from the past is the answer.
Have our top leadership LOUDLY push that the Paki gov is from fear or mutual belief allowing sections of their military support the Islamic Radicals. (note keep it “Islamic Radicals” that is the problem not AQ, Taliban, or even the myriad of other Radical groups in Pakiland).
Then (now the blast with a twist) send a ambassador with to inform the Pakis we are going to do raids with SOF and we are going to open the air war to Baluchistan and beyond as required. IF YOU DISAGREE HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS OR jump in which case we will decimate your military and if required nuke you. China will not come to the aid of Pakistan if they believe the US resolve.
Unfortunately I cannot imagine the great “O” doing this way to much America first and Forward LEADING.
God Help US we avoid a “O” ordered helicopter escape ala Vietnam. The radicals will be embolden for a century with such.
C-Low on September 22, 2011 at 8:23 PM
If we’re planning on doing anything of substance with regards to Pakistan, and face it, we’re not, then we’d better cut and run from Afghanistan first because once we throw down with the Pakistanis, it’s over for our mission in Afghanistan. We can’t operate there without access through Pakistan. Pakistan knows it and uses it to full advantage. We’re screwed. Having said that, I’m about at the point where I think we should leave Afghanistan and tell the Pakistanis to go pound sand. Of course the Chinese would love to have military facilities near the Persian Gulf and on both sides of India. They must be laughing their butts off.
jnelchef on September 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM
BL@KBIRD
you also just explained why IRAQ and not Afghanistan was the proper meat grinder to grind the Islamic Radicals in.
C-Low on September 22, 2011 at 8:31 PM
Hmm. Who was supposed to be watching them when they were first developing nukes? Can’t quite put my finger on it. Oh well, probably doesn’t have any relationship to any other developments in the past couple decades anyway…
TubbyHubby on September 22, 2011 at 8:47 PM
Our enemies are always on the move when there is a weak President. So if the North Koreans, Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Taliban, Turks and other members of the Bad Guy Club follow American domestic politics at all, they know time is short. The President’s reelection prospects grow slimmer by the day.
Expect more. Expect worse.
troyriser_gopftw on September 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM
Seize their nukes, shoot A.Q Khan, and blow up the ISI headquarters.
For starters.
profitsbeard on September 22, 2011 at 9:48 PM
Are they really “rogues” if so many of them can get away with so much crap all of the time?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Well…if it’s “the unrealistic option”, then it isn’t really an option, now is it?
You should really lay off the science fiction…..
And…even if through some miraculous super secret special op or something, you took out all of their nuclear weapons, what makes you think they won’t just set right back to work obtaining more nuclear material and building another arsenal?
All they need is the material. The expertise is already there, and you aren’t going to get rid of it, no matter how hard you try. A moderately talented nuclear physics grad student can design a workable nuclear weapon.
Really, all they need is one, or a couple, anyway, to be right back where they were, in geopolitical terms.
And of course sabotaging/stealing/or whatever their 100 or so nukes would be an unequivocal act of war. It won’t be able to be accomplished in the same ambiguous way as dealing with a nascent nuclear progam, like Iran, i.e. taking out a 100 existing nukes isn’t the same as throwing the occasional sneaky monkey wrench into Iran’s unrealized nuclear program, like us (and the Israelis, and the Euros) are doing.
This is all leading to a very, very bad place.
Dreadnought on September 22, 2011 at 10:44 PM
That is probably the best option, actually.
Of course then the US joins the Brits, Russians, et al, in the defeated-in-Afghanistan-empires Club.
Dreadnought on September 22, 2011 at 10:48 PM