Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more

posted at 12:05 pm on September 21, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Pundits dismissed the president’s jobs and deficit reduction proposals as political grandstanding, but the American people appear to approve of many of the president’s ideas, according to a Gallup poll released today.

The survey of 1,004 adults — only about 44 percent of whom were Republicans or Republican-leaning independents — showed significant majorities support a majority of the individual components of the president’s plan.

For example, 70 percent favor increasing taxes on some corporations by eliminating certain tax deductions and 66 percent favor increasing income taxes on individuals earning at least $200,000 and families earning at least $250,000.

The first part of that is fine. I’m all for true tax reform. I like the idea of closing loopholes to ultimately lower taxes on corporations to increase their global competitiveness, as Paul Ryan says. But the second part is troubling. Gallup didn’t ask questions to determine the respondents’ general knowledge of the tax code, though, so it’s impossible to know whether those polled would still approve of increasing taxes on the rich if they knew the top 10 percent of earners pays 70 percent of federal income taxes or that the top 1 percent pays 38 percent while nearly half of U.S. households pay no taxes at all.

Majority support for other of the president’s nonsensical proposals are even more disheartening. Take this one: 73 percent support giving tax breaks to companies hiring people who have been unemployed for more than six months. Sounds good on its face, but, as Ed has said on his show, it’s a simple question of incentives: A tax break of a couple of thousand dollars will not motivate companies to hire workers at a salary of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. The tax break will go only to those who would have hired new workers in the first place. That means more federal government spending, but not necessarily more jobs.

Large majorities also support providing more funds to hire teachers, police officers and firefighters (75 percent) and providing more funds for public works projects, including making repairs to more than 30,000 schools (72 percent). The wording of the questions might have something to do with those results — far harder to oppose hiring more “teachers, police officers and firefighters” than “state employees” and to oppose school repairs than other types of public works spending. It also perturbs me that the question suggests the federal government can “provide” more funds, when, in fact, all it can do is redistribute funds. If it was a question of “free money” or “Obama money from his stash,” as one supporter so memorably put it long ago, then, sure, I’d be a fan of hiring more teachers and making school repairs, too. But if it’s a question of adding to the debt that’s dragging down our economy in the first place and of penalizing the very people best positioned to create jobs and grow the economy, then I’d rather we not spend more money we don’t have, thank you very much.

The only proposal a majority of respondents did not support was the extension of the payroll tax cut — probably because Gallup called that what it actually is, “reducing Social Security taxes for workers and employers.” Forty-seven percent approved of that idea, while 49 percent disapproved. Does that mean the American people are aware SS is bound to go belly up eventually and don’t want to hasten the day? Or do they just see “Social Security” in a question and resist any kind of change to the program? I’d like to at least take that as a hopeful sign that the electorate is beginning to understand the precarious position of our entitlement programs. The results of the rest of the poll were depressing enough.


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When Peter robs Paul, Peter never complains…

right2bright on September 21, 2011 at 12:07 PM

A lot of Americans thought the Canadian healthcare system sounded great until they saw the details.

Who can be against everybody paying their “fair share” but the devil is in the details, isn’t it?

Drained Brain on September 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more.

Of course they do.

Until they themselves find themselves “rich” and then they will complain audibly about the freeloaders.

Ignorant.

coldwarrior on September 21, 2011 at 12:09 PM

This is the extreme danger of ‘Democracy’ – people think they can get something for nothing through the magic of their vote.

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Buffett’s secretary has a job. Why does Obama care more about some crony’s secretary, than the 30 million people he put out of work?

faraway on September 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

When Peter robs Paul, Peter never complains…

right2bright on September 21, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Don’t rob Peter to pay Paul. Everyone knows you can’t do business with a sore Peter.

coldwarrior on September 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You cannot rob the singular Peter to pay for the collective Paul.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

This says a lot about the ethics of the majority. Personally I don’t think anyone should have to pay more than 10% of his/her income. Even the church doesn’t ask for more than that. After that taxes should be gained through consumption not production. The rich will pay more because they consume more and they can choose how much of this they want to do.

texabama on September 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

47% of Americans say what taxes????

Oil Can on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

For example, 70 percent favor increasing taxes on some corporations by eliminating certain tax deductions

Then 70% are economic idiots, since businesses never pay taxes, they just roll the cost into the price of the product and YOU 70% idiots pay it.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Everyone is always in favor of someone else paying taxes. If you explain that the rich then have less to invest and hence less jobs will be created they might not want it. But yeah I’m fine if my neighbor pays all of my taxes as well as theirs.

Zaggs on September 21, 2011 at 12:13 PM

47% of Americans say what taxes????

Oil Can on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Yes, they say “Why do I care if someone else is going to get screwed” all this means is that I’ll get more freebies.

And this kind of wonderful system can go on forever and ever…..

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Classic NIMBY mindset.

SouthernGent on September 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more

That’s good, because we already tax the rich at 29%, the rest of the country pays 0-15%.

faraway on September 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more …but they disagree on the definition of “Rich”

MetaThought on September 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

1,004 adults

In mass or california? This poll is horse manure.

dogsoldier on September 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

The problem is you can’t positively tie cause and effect to the stupid answers the respondents are giving to the stupid questions. Critical thinking skills and common sense are lost forever in the entitlement class.

TulsAmerican on September 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Damn, we’re stupid.

spaninq on September 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Hey I know. Let’s add a 10% sales tax on yachts over $100K. Only the super rich buy yachts. So only the super rich would be affected.

Oh wait….

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Classic NIMBY mindset.

SouthernGent on September 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Yep, and group think r us scored.

Dr Evil on September 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I’m all for tax fairness.

And, when I say fairness, I mean that the 50% of Americans who don’t pay income tax need to start kicking in something.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more …but they disagree on the definition of “Rich”

MetaThought on September 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Unionists tend to consider the “rich” and the “fat cats” as anybody who makes $5000-10,000 more annually than they do. Take ‘em out.

Similarly, as a retired educator I’ve always said that Americans from the 1950s onward inevitably agree the date when public education began to decline.

They all say it started a couple of years after they graduated.

Drained Brain on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

For example, 70 percent favor increasing taxes on some corporations by eliminating certain tax deductions

Then 70% are economic idiots, since businesses never pay taxes, they just roll the cost into the price of the product and YOU 70% idiots pay it.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

They need to be asked what is the source of that money?

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Obama and the Democrats have turned us into a nation of moochers.

cool breeze on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

The level of economic ignorance in this country is simply astounding. We’re circling the drain…

CliffHanger on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

We already knew these poll results. Obama’s proposals were tailored to similar internal polling results.

Unfortunately for him, issue by issue polling with favorable results does not necessarily add up to overall support because people are smart enough to put it together and know it doesn’t add up.

It was the same for Kaiser Health push-polling of the “benefits” of Healthcare reform. People said they liked “free” this and that when queried without reference to costs and consequences, but as we know, the same people reject Obamacare as a whole, just like they are rejecting Obama as a whole now.

forest on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Here a poll, there a poll, everywhere a poll, poll…

Fallon on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

“If I can’t be rich, why should anybody else be?”

Jim Treacher on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

They need to be asked what is the source of that money?

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Evidently they do.

They are the types of people who will cheer “big oil” paying more taxes, then throw fits when the price of gas goes up.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Just once I’d like to see a poll asking people if they would work harder for absolutely no added benefit.

People need to think whether they would work longer hours to expand a business if the government is simply going to take that extra profit away at the point of a gun.

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

They are no different than you or me, classist.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

66 percent favor increasing income taxes on individuals earning at least $200,000 and families earning at least $250,000.

A big problem is how Republicans talk about this issue. They go all Ayn Rand and start talking about looters and freeloaders and class warfare and envy and so forth. You can’t beat people into agreeing with you in a democracy. I talk about how income diversity can lead to better outcomes than a government. Let’s have less government and more rich people and a social expectation that the Rich will spend money on issues of public improvement like parks, museums, and other ways of aiding the socialness of our society. We’d all be happier.

thuja on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

The War on Poverty, for example.

Chuck Schick on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Similarly, as a retired educator I’ve always said that Americans from the 1950s onward inevitably agree the date when public education began to decline.

They all say it started a couple of years after they graduated.

Drained Brain on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I didn’t learn much in the classroom. I doubt they did in the 50s either.

faraway on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

And, when I say fairness, I mean that the 50% of Americans who don’t pay income tax need to start kicking in something.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM

AMEN. And all of a sudden those people would actually care about what the government is spending money on.

Hell, put a fed tax on state welfare.

“You mean I’m getting money taken from my welfare check to do a study on pink salamanders in San Francisco?! Hell no!!”

spaninq on September 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Then 70% are economic idiots, since businesses never pay taxes, they just roll the cost into the price of the product and YOU 70% idiots pay it.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

All by design, my friend, all by design.

Lanceman on September 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

It’s an easy thing to get everyone to nod their head in approval of until it’s fully explained and the ramifications are pointed out and understood.

A lot of those 70% think “sure, why not” until that millionaire that signs their paycheck packs up his sh*t and moves or closes. Most people don’t think too far ahead, they just rely on an emotional gut reaction when asked “shouldn’t rich folks pay more?”

Tim Zank on September 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM

That’s because the majority of American’s are idiots and don’t realize that it takes money to invest and create a business and employs other people.

You can either allow a rich person to create a business and pay you to work for them; or you can have the government steal his money and end up with less than you would have gotten paid because the government has to keep it’s “fair share” of the loot.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

And people who struggle to run businesses are always awash in milk and honey.

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Then 70% are economic idiots, since businesses never pay taxes, they just roll the cost into the price of the product and YOU 70% idiots pay it.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Agreed. Idiocracy is here. I would also implicate the GOP which has been pathetic and nonfeasant for generations in articulating basic economic truisms, principles, causes and effects and moral hazards. They have allowed liberals to pound confectionary foolishness into people’s minds.

rrpjr on September 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Tax the rich to the hilt instead. That’ll make them hire more people. Hence, less poor people. You are a genius.

Jim Treacher on September 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I’ve never understand how “fair share” has been redefined to mean that some people pay a whole lot for what other people get for free.

Scrappy on September 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I was in the UK for the last John Major election. Going into it, the left was ahead in double digits largely on a promise to ‘tax the rich’. One enterprising reporter lost his liberal talking points and asked a real question. How much does it take to become the rich in Labors proposal. The party responded, stupidly, with the truth.

Folk chanting ‘tax the rich’ suddenly went quiet, looked at each other and said, ‘wait a bit. That’s ME!’

The Labor lead disappeared almost overnight and the Conservatives won.

Everyone getting goodies from government are always very anxious to keep the goodies coming BUT those same folk have no desire or intention to PAY for those goodies with their very own taxes.

JIMV on September 21, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I wonder what Gallup would find if they asked this question:

Despite earning only 25.8% of the nation’s income, those making at least $200,000 paid 50.2% of all federal income taxes. That is a taxation rate of 22.1% of their income, almost double that of those making under $200,000. Do you favor increasing their tax burden even more?

BTW, those numbers are direct from the IRS as of 2009.

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2011 at 12:30 PM

rrpjr on September 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I like “confectionary foolishness” – great line!

disa on September 21, 2011 at 12:30 PM

ANYONE ever get hired by a POOR person for a job?

anyone?

Bueller?

Katfish on September 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more.

Of course, if Gallup had framed the question—- “Would you favor raising taxes on the rich and incomes over 250k if it meant unemployment would rise along with the chances that your own job might become less secure?”—-there might be a different outcome in this polling. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Gallup to pose a question that might understand/explain economic realities.

Rovin on September 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM

So, I have learned today that “We are a nation of idiots” :)

faraway on September 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I’m all for tax fairness.

And, when I say fairness, I mean that the 50% of Americans who don’t pay income tax need to start kicking in something.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

You heard it here first folks: Ernesto says that having to pay taxes is a “problem”.

Scrappy on September 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

They need to be asked what is the source of that money?

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Evidently they do.

They are the types of people who will cheer “big oil” paying more taxes, then throw fits when the price of gas goes up.

Rebar on September 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Good example – a few years ago people were in all up in arms that the tobacco companies were going to pay their lawsuit settlements from the sales of their products as though these entities have vast storehouses of cash somewhere.

When in reality those settlement costs were simply pasted on to the consumer – as is always the case.

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I like to think that the responses to these poll questions aren’t really indicative of whether or not people, in practice, would support the initiative.

When asked if they support an incentive such as the tax credit for hiring new people, they’re really reacting to the question “Should there be an incentive to hire new people”. Why, of course there should — people need jobs. If they were asked “Should companies be given a tax break to hire people they would have hired without the tax break, taking money away from paying the deficit?”, they would answer “no” en masse.

The extent to which people understand the issues is a reflection of the effectiveness of those who oppose the given measure.

As usual, the foolish Republicans thoroughly stink at explaining the ramifications of each and every one of Obama’s absurd policy ideas.

In lieu of the idiot Republicans stepping up, the Tea Party, such as it is, should focus on, and become better at, articulating the shortcomings of the particular proposals and elucidating an alternative set of policies, rather than appearing to concentrate solely on anti-Obama rhetoric and generalities.

mr.blacksheep on September 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

the Tea Party, such as it is, should focus on, and become better at, articulating the shortcomings of the particular proposals and elucidating an alternative set of policies, rather than appearing to concentrate solely on anti-Obama rhetoric and generalities.

mr.blacksheep on September 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I don’t know. Alinsky says…

RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more.

faraway on September 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?

ernesto on September 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

50% of America is “poor”?

rrpjr on September 21, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I’ve been self-employed for the majority of my working life. How come I never got to be in that 47 percent who never paid taxes? Large or small, what with paying my share and the employer’s share of FICA, SE tax, etc., it’s been closer to 47 percent tax rate than 47 percent of not paying taxes.

It’s all in how you ask the question. Do you think that the wealthy should pay more? Why sure, I do. Until you learn that they are not all that wealthy to begin with anymore. And you learn that the people who actually create the majority of jobs are small entrepreneurs, those who run a business as a sole proprietor. 200-250K looks like a lot, but try to make only that much and have an employee and survive. Ain’t happening.

The only way to make the tax rates fair is for EVERYONE to have skin in the game.

Tennman on September 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

“Because poor people don’t have enough problems, right?”

And the vast majority of them have no one to blame but themselves for those problems. But I forgot that in Lefty land, mitigating the life-long consequences of dropping out of school, getting pregnant as a teenager, abusing drugs and alcohol, voting for Democrats who push family-destroying program after program, etc, etc…none of that is the responsibility of the “poor” person. It’s the responsibility of the “rich” person.

Tell us, ernesto: what entitles you – or anyone else – to receive money or wealth that you had no hand in earning or creating?

rvastar on September 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

So did Gallup ask those being polled what tax bracket they were currently in?

GarandFan on September 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more …but they disagree on the definition of “Rich”

MetaThought on September 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Actually I think they do agree on the definition of Rich – “Anyone who makes a lot more money than I do”

LODGE4 on September 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

We are being led to believe that by “rich” they mean Warren Buffett and Barack Obama. Clueless.

ctmom on September 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Who’s taught Americans covetousness?

Who should be teaching them how wrong it is and how it hurts them?

Speakup on September 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Actually, the “rich” tax rate is far more than double those who don’t make $200,000 per year. I read the wrong line on the spreadsheet again.

Those making at least $200,000 saw 22.1% of their income go to federal income taxes, while those making less than $200,000 saw 7.6% go to federal income taxes. That disparity is greater than in either 2007 or 2008.

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more.

Of course, if Gallup had framed the question—- “Would you favor raising taxes on the rich and incomes over 250k if it meant unemployment would rise along with the chances that your own job might become less secure?”—-there might be a different outcome in this polling. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Gallup to pose a question that might understand/explain economic realities.

Rovin on September 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Yup! Poll designed to generate a headline…and it worked!!!

winston on September 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Punish the rich and we all suffer.

People need to show a little more gratitude for the wealth and job creators in this country. Are they all amazing people? I doubt it. Doesn’t matter, though. They create opportunity.

blatantblue on September 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM

When you’re constantly told lies about the tax base and who pays what; of course you’ll believe them.

Democrats thrive on a few big lies, they rely on peoples’ ignorance.

lorien1973 on September 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM

A big problem is how Republicans talk about this issue. They go all Ayn Rand and start talking about looters and freeloaders and class warfare and envy and so forth. You can’t beat people into agreeing with you in a democracy.

thuja on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

You have a point. My strategy is to ask whether you are better off trusting a government which depends on your vote to give you money, or trusting a businessman who depends on your commerce to give you a job.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Cool. Let me know if the thought of their pay increase for next year will be shelved as someone needs two $16 muffins.

owlpellets on September 21, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more.

Of course, if Gallup had framed the question—- “Would you favor raising taxes on the rich and incomes over 250k if it meant unemployment would rise along with the chances that your own job might become less secure?”—-there might be a different outcome in this polling. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Gallup to pose a question that might understand/explain economic realities.

Rovin on September 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM

They could also point out that previous schemes to ‘Tax the rich’ have led us to our current dire straits, but I’m sure they wouldn’t want to let reality get in the way of an oppressive taxation agenda.

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM

When unemployment is 14%, perhaps they will change their mind.

stenwin77 on September 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

OT: Obama is a bigger A$$ than originally thought.

portlandon on September 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

They need to be asked what is the source of that money?

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

a capella on September 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM

People need to watch Bill Whittle’s “Eat the Rich.”

http://billwhittle.net/?p=562

In 11 minutes he busts every liberal myth about taxation.

rrpjr on September 21, 2011 at 12:49 PM

For example, 70 percent favor increasing taxes on some corporations by eliminating certain tax deductions and 66 percent favor increasing income taxes on individuals earning at least $200,000 and families earning at least $250,000.

People gravitate to “tax the rich” as a strategy because they see it as inflicting no pain or burden on them, and inflicting only a mild amount of pain on “the rich” (after all, who needs a corporate jet?). And the more people you have who are dependent on government benefits, the stronger this bias becomes.

The only way Republican can combat it is with voter education–”taxing the rich” doesn’t work because the rich don’t have enough money to balance the budget, and because OECD studies have shown that “the rich” respond to tax increases by reducing their investment activity or shifting the money overseas. But that’s pretty sucky voter education.

I wonder if a “we’re all in this together” call for national unity with fiscal austerity might work… After all, in WWII we had huge rationing schemes in place that placed very onerous burdens on the entire population. But, the unity calls from Washington were enough that the public tolerated the rationing. Could the same approach work today?

Outlander on September 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM

The tax break will go only to those who would have hired new workers in the first place. That means more federal government spending, but not necessarily more jobs.

This is so true. The government gave a tax break to companies that hired veterans when they moved their operations to recently closed military bases. The company had already hired me and a few others and only retroactively found out about the tax breaks. Needless to say, the filed and received tax breaks for us after we brought in our DD214s.

PrettyD_Vicious on September 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM

A big problem is how Republicans talk about this issue. They go all Ayn Rand and start talking about looters and freeloaders and class warfare and envy and so forth. You can’t beat people into agreeing with you in a democracy.

thuja on September 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM

The problem with the GOP reaction is they never talk about the statistics of what the rich actually pay. No need to talk about freeloaders or envy. Just point out that the top 10% pays 70% of all taxes already and we think that’s already a fair burden.

And then do what Dems always do…LIE.

Say yes maybe if economic conditions were better we’d consider asking millionaires and billionaires to pay more. But not right now. And in 2 or 3 years when economic times are better, deal with it then. That’s what Dems do. They always say they’re fine with cutting spending when times are good. Except when times are good they forget all about cutting and want to increase spending even more.

And then use the personal story. Find someone “earning” $250K a year who has $50K in medical bills, and 3 kids in college and a 12 year old car and then ask if this person is someone you’d consider “rich”? $250K in coastal cities is the equivalent of $75K in small town America. It’s nowhere near “rich”. But the GOP never, ever points this out.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM

But the GOP never, ever points this out.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Because they’re pathetic. We’re in the fix we’re in because they’re pathetic.

rrpjr on September 21, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Buffett’s secretary has a job. Why does Obama care more about some crony’s secretary, than the 30 million people he put out of work?

EGG-ZACK-LEE!

We took the bait, folks!

A**wipe gets up on Monday and flaps his lips about his tax plan THAT’S DOA and already we’re embroiled in this crapola about taxing the rich, what’s fair to be taken out of the dollars we earn, fixing the tax system and other such matters.

THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE IN THE TAX SYSTEM SINCE PRESIDENT BUTTWIPE WAS ELECTED.

The main issue is jobs people! And he has again engaged in distracting us from the pathetic jobs his administration is doing both by its failure to plan and its penchant for injecting confusion, doubt, and uncertainty into the economic picture.

FOCUS ON FLUSHING THIS TURD AND A LOT OF THINGS — LIKE THE FAIRNESS OF THE TAX CODE CAN BE RESOLVED AFTERWARDS.

The War Planner on September 21, 2011 at 12:53 PM

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

-B. Franklin

stvnscott on September 21, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Just tax Warren and Jimmy Buffet. That should do the trick.

John the Libertarian on September 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

And then use the personal story. Find someone “earning” $250K a year who has $50K in medical bills, and 3 kids in college and a 12 year old car and then ask if this person is someone you’d consider “rich”? $250K in coastal cities is the equivalent of $75K in small town America. It’s nowhere near “rich”. But the GOP never, ever points this out.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Honestly, I hate the “I have three kids in college” defense. Part of my practice is complex commercial collections and I can’t tell you how many small business debtors come in and tell me they can’t pay the bank back because they’re supporting kids in college and similar excuses. Paying for college for a child is giving the child a gift. A lot of middle class and working class families out there don’t have the luxury of paying for their kids’ college educations, and aren’t going to be terribly sympathetic to those who do.

Outlander on September 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

The poll contains inherent bias toward blue-voting urban areas because of its random phone-calling methodology. The methodology oversamples the concentrated urban areas. That wouldn’t be enough to reverse the results of this poll, but correcting the polling bias would probably shave a few percentage points off the supermajority numbers.

If you look at the Gallup report on the poll, it aggregates “Republican and Republican-leaning independents” in the sample. There were 439 total “Republicans and Republican-leaning independents” out of the 1004 respondents used for the pol. That looks like a fair breakdown (registered Republicans would, statistically, be fewer than 439 out of 1004), but I would like to see the results for registered Republicans alone.

If you looked only at the responses from registered Republicans — statistically about 330 out of the 1004 — you would probably find a substantially different result. Put another way, the supermajority figures for eliminating corporate tax minimizers and increasing tax rates on incomes over $250K are only as LOW as they are because there were some registered Republicans in the sample.

J.E. Dyer on September 21, 2011 at 1:01 PM

So we are still pretending that debt is the main thing holding back the economy, despite how insane it sounds? And the solution is to give more tax cuts to people who have shipped jobs over seas and destroyed the middle class since the last time we cut their taxes? Oh ok.

and darn those eeeeeevil “state employee” policemen, firefighters and teachers!! We should be cutting more so we can protect wallstreet bonuses of 2m+!!! TEA PARTY rules if your net worth is 8 digits!!

Rainsford on September 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

They need to be asked what is the source of that money?

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

a capella on September 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Heh, I knew what that was going to be ahead of time.

Detroit’s Model Citizens Line Up for Money from Obama’s “Stash”
October 8, 2009

Ken Rogulski, WJR in Detroit.
ROGULSKI: Why are you here?
WOMAN #1: To get some money.
ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get it?
WOMAN #1: I don’t know, his stash. I don’t know. (laughter) I don’t know where he got it from. But, he givin’ it to us. To help us.
WOMAN #1: We love him. That’s why we voted for him!
WOMEN: (chanting) Obama! Obama! Obama! (laughing)

Make no mistake, the next election will decide the fate of this nation.

Either people will be smart enough to see through this scam or we will suffer the fate outlined by the following:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. Alexander Tytler

Chip on September 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Honestly, I hate the “I have three kids in college” defense. Part of my practice is complex commercial collections and I can’t tell you how many small business debtors come in and tell me they can’t pay the bank back because they’re supporting kids in college and similar excuses. Paying for college for a child is giving the child a gift. A lot of middle class and working class families out there don’t have the luxury of paying for their kids’ college educations, and aren’t going to be terribly sympathetic to those who do.

Outlander on September 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

It shows that the so-called rich, aren’t really all that rich. You say “tax the rich more” people think Bill Gates. Point out that “rich” means middle class people and they may reconsider that class warfare mentality.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

And the solution is to give more tax cuts to people who have shipped jobs over seas and destroyed the middle class since the last time we cut their taxes? Oh ok.

Rainsford on September 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Don’t bite the hand that (literally) feeds you.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose
Nothing don’t mean nothing if it ain’t free

RDE2010 on September 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM

J.E. Dyer on September 21, 2011 at 1:01 PM

And there are Republicans and then there are Republicans.

Random dialing means you’re going to get more numbers from NYC than you will from 10 states. Yes those NYC are “Republicans” but they’re more liberal than the average Democrat in the 10 states.

We focus so much on breakdown by party line. I think more importantly is breakdown by region. Even by state. Because if you ask 1000 Republicans in the Boston to DC corridor a question, it hardly represents the average Republican in the country. It would be like calling Democrats in Wyoming and then interpreting their answers as what the typical Dem thinks.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Poll: Majority of Americans like the idea of taxing the rich more

If this mindset gets BHO re-elected, his presidency will have been a smashing success because he will have achieved his ultimate goal: to convince the general public that government is the answer to their problems. His policies put the lemmings in the position they’re in – and now his policies are going to keep them there. God Bless America because it won’t survive four more years.

Dopenstrange on September 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM

We need to remember Frank Lopez’ first lesson – Don’t underestimate..THE OTHER GUY’S GREED!

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose
Nothing don’t mean nothing if it ain’t free
RDE2010 on September 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Feeling good was easy, lord, when Bobby sang the blues.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, John Q. Public and Joan Q. Public are dumber than a box of rocks.

Mirimichi on September 21, 2011 at 1:22 PM

But the second part is troubling. Gallup didn’t ask questions to determine the respondents’ general knowledge of the tax code, though, so it’s impossible to know whether those polled would still approve of increasing taxes on the rich if they knew the top 10 percent of earners pays 70 percent of federal income taxes or that the top 1 percent pays 38 percent while nearly half of U.S. households pay no taxes at all.

I don’t think it would matter to most people one way or the other if they knew those people paid that much tax. In fact if anything they might just think those people make most of the money so they should pay most of the tax. I think that when it comes to taxes most people have a better thee than me attitude.

For instance, most tax credits go to middle and upper middle class people..not the very rich or the very poor. But my guess is most of those people think they are the ones getting the short end of the stick. They like the idea of closing loopholes and deductions..so long as it is someone else’s deduction.

Terrye on September 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM

If anyone remembers the movie ‘Starship Troopers’-it is predicated on a society where democracy has failed and only a limited number of people can become “citizens”.

Some have argued that only property owners should have voting rights. I believe this is extreme but compelling when one considers that a deeply entrenched welfare constituency, not only expecting but absolutely DEMANDING ever-burgeoning entitlements, will soon become a majority.

Of course the biggest fallacy in the “tax the rich” scheme is that it is only a diverting smoke screen, because even if the rich were taxed at 100% it would not even reduce the deficit nor increase our NET income by even 1%.In fact, spending always outpaces income therefor even the moderate gains made by taxing the rich will only deepen our debt-plus cancelling initiative, entrepreneurship and, of course,costing thousands more jobs. A snowball ride into hell. Very sad!

MaiDee on September 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM

When half the country doesn’t pay any taxes I doubt they are going to be too terribly upset about raising the taxes of the other half that do.

crazywater on September 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Random dialing means you’re going to get more numbers from NYC than you will from 10 states. Yes those NYC are “Republicans” but they’re more liberal than the average Democrat in the 10 states.

We focus so much on breakdown by party line. I think more importantly is breakdown by region. Even by state. Because if you ask 1000 Republicans in the Boston to DC corridor a question, it hardly represents the average Republican in the country. It would be like calling Democrats in Wyoming and then interpreting their answers as what the typical Dem thinks.

angryed on September 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM

I doubt if they called a bunch of people from Boston. A majority of rank and file Republicans do not support big cuts to entitlement programs anymore than anyone else does. They also would know that there is a big deficit, they assume that taxes will have to go up sooner or later and if that is the case they would rather that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet pay those taxes than middle class people.

I think that sometimes those of us who spend a lot of time on line on forums like this start to think that we speak for all those people out there who call themselves Republicans or conservatives or whatever. I am not so sure that is true. Most people are not that intense about these things..they prefer the course of least resistance.

Terrye on September 21, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Some have argued that only property owners should have voting rights. I believe this is extreme but compelling when one considers that a deeply entrenched welfare constituency, not only expecting but absolutely DEMANDING ever-burgeoning entitlements, will soon become a majority.

Of course the biggest fallacy in the “tax the rich” scheme is that it is only a diverting smoke screen, because even if the rich were taxed at 100% it would not even reduce the deficit nor increase our NET income by even 1%.In fact, spending always outpaces income therefor even the moderate gains made by taxing the rich will only deepen our debt-plus cancelling initiative, entrepreneurship and, of course,costing thousands more jobs. A snowball ride into hell. Very sad!

MaiDee on September 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM

A lot of the people who support all of this are in fact very wealthy property owners themselves. It is not as if the only people supporting the policy of higher taxes are themselves people who are dependent on entitlement programs.

Hollywood and Manhattan are full of these kind of rich gulf stream liberals who constantly demand higher taxes for the rich gulf stream liberals. After all, it is not as if they will miss the money and it helps them appease their guilt. Silly, I know, but there are a lot of people with money who think like that.

Terrye on September 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM

The same polled demographic believes burglary against the rich be an option as well.

bloviator on September 21, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I’ve said for a long time that as soon as 51% of the people realize that they can vote themselves money from the other 49%, we’re done as a country. And we’re almost there now.

Physics Geek on September 21, 2011 at 1:48 PM

This ‘poll’ will be trumpeted as fact by the libs and used against us by their talking heads with impugnity, safe in the knowledge that far too many Americans will simply swallow this along with the rest of the MSM playbook without question.

How can we change this?

Imagine a series of TV and radio spots featuring well known conservative personalities like Tom Selleck, Gary Sinise, Jon Voight, or John Andrasik from ‘Five for Fighting.’ They briefly touch on ‘Fast and Furious,’ or ‘Lightsquared,’ or ‘Solyndra,’ or the refusal by AG Holder to prosecute the two NBPP members who were intimidating voters, and ask the audience if they have heard anything about these important stories from the main-stream media. They pause, and then say:

“If you haven’t, you may want to ask yourself… Why?”
The commercial then flashes up two web sites: One that lists conservative talk radio web sites state by state, and one that lists Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Red State, and other conservative social media sites.

No one likes being lied to. Maybe bringing home the fact that Americans who still put stock in the MSM are routinely lied to each and every day would be the catalyst that will open some eyes and bring more of our fellow Americans into the light.

CaptFlood on September 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM

OMG the rhetoric! The rhetoric is working! Where is our Karl Rove bulls**t machine when we need it!?

Constantine on September 21, 2011 at 1:53 PM

OMG the rhetoric! The rhetoric is working! Where is our Karl Rove bulls**t machine when we need it!?

Constantine on September 21, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Don’t ask me; I inherited Rove’s weather machine.

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

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