Report: Palestinians within two votes on UN Security Council of forcing Obama veto

posted at 10:09 pm on September 20, 2011 by Allahpundit

The bad news? This will undo any bit of goodwill we might have earned by siding with the people against their governments during the Arab Spring.

The good news? The next big apology speech O gives in Cairo is shaping up to be a doozy.

Palestinian officials have so far enlisted the support of at least six or seven members of the 15-member Security Council in their bid to gain United Nations recognition as a sovereign state, a senior official said Tuesday…

For any decision to pass in the 15-member Council, nine affirmative votes are needed, as well as no veto by any of the permanent Security Council members. The United States holds a veto and has promised to use it, if necessary.

Even as Palestinian diplomats work feverishly to enlist the nine votes to achieve a moral victory – even if it results in a technical defeat – US diplomats were working frantically to muster a blocking minority of seven…

The Palestinians are trying to win over Gabon, Nigeria and Bosnia-Herzegovina. The first, west-central African state seemed to have made up its mind to vote for the Palestinians, but the other two remained hesitant, Malki said.

And so it came to pass that the fate of the peace process and of American influence in the Middle East fell to Gabon, Nigeria, and Bosnia, the way any smart, sane international assembly would want it. Obama’s planning to meet tomorrow with Netanyahu and Abbas in an eleventh-hour attempt to derail this statehood vote before Friday. He still has a trump card to play besides the veto and it sounds like he’s ready to play it: The U.S. and its partners could postpone a Security Council vote for weeks or even months by referring the Palestinians’ bid to a panel for further study, which would buy time to restart negotiations and hopefully let the issue slip quietly from people’s memories. However:

Officials also said Mr. Abbas could seek enhanced observer states at the U.N. through a vote at the General Assembly, which would allow the Palestinians to join such international groups as the U.N. Human Rights Committee and the International Criminal Court. If so, the U.S. and Europeans would try to water down the resolution in a way that might keep the peace process alive. Officials are calling this option “GA Light.”…

Another Palestinian official Tuesday said that the U.S. effort to stall a Security Council vote would be noticed by the Arab world, even if Washington doesn’t veto the initiative. “We all know who was behind this,” the official said.

Avoiding the high drama of having to cast a veto would be nice, if only because it would deny Islamists some easy video propaganda, but the official is right. The damage will be done regardless unless Abbas can be convinced to pull his bid first.

Here’s John Bolton from last night’s Greta offering some strong medicine instead: Tell the Security Council that if they grant the Palestinians statehood, we’ll defund the UN. Not sure how that would solve the baseline problem of preserving what little goodwill/influence the U.S. has in the region, but it’s a pleasing thought regardless. Exit question: If the Palestinians force Obama to veto and Congress retaliates with a bill that would cut aid to the Palestinian Authority, would O dare veto that? I’m guessing no with 99 percent certainty, but I reserve that one percent of doubt because he might be desperate in the aftermath to rebuild ties with Arab powers and that would be a showy way of doing it. Click the image to watch.

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You broke it you own it Barack…

sandee on September 20, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Obama is always a Liar. He always believes one thing and says another.

“I’m with Israel”, when he’s with the Palestinians.

“This is not warfare”, when it is.

“The most transparent admin.” when it isn’t.

“I’m for the little guy” when he/her are the snottiest of all who’ve ever been there.

etc

etc

etc

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM

I must admit, I love the pretzel he’s in but it’s sad for all the people in the region, those who are not terrorists.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM

As the Middle East inches closer to chaos and the economies of Europe slide toward the precipice, I’m guessing President Obama is peeved by the interruption of his campaign fundraising schedule.

troyriser_gopftw on September 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Obama is a pawn.
Everything he learned in Wright’s church is falling apart when applied.

Electrongod on September 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Why Israel doesnt have to worry about Egypt

http://youtu.be/nntAzkNVgMI

William Amos on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

The 11th hour man is back
Epic fail

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Tell the UN that the headquarters in NYC will be moved to Crown Heights in Brooklyn if the Pals are granted statehood, it will be 15-0 against, guaranteed.

Bishop on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Defund the UN and kick them off American soil.

Knucklehead on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Going all the way back to GHW Bush we were told foreign policy doesn’t matter as much as domestic problems. Well now it seems like we have problems in both areas.
Break out the Greek columns you effn Zeus wannabee. We are waiting.

arnold ziffel on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

I. Can definitely see him veto any bill defunding PA

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 10:19 PM

I must admit, I love the pretzel he’s in but it’s sad for all the people in the region, those who are not terrorists.
Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM

You mean the Israelis and those four other guys?

Bishop on September 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM

I know that we will never have the information but I would love to know how W would have handled this, starting with the Arab Spring.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Obama is not used to playing outside of the sandbox…kinda rough out there for the manchild…

right2bright on September 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM

There’s some Bosnian internal stuff that may well play in this. The Bosnian Serbs have a healthy separatist movement going. Although they backed off in the summer, a serious crisis was brewing there. They won’t be anxious to see what they’d interpret as Bosnian Muslim triumphalism, if Bosnia votes for the Palestinian state resolution.

BUT — what’s sauce for Palestinian Arabs is sauce for Bosnian Serbs, many of whom feel underrepresented in the coalition government of unified Bosnia-Herzegovina. It would be extremely ironic if the Muslim-dominated, Western-approved government of B-H kicked the unilateral Palestinian statehood resolution over the top, and thereby precipitated its own demise in the break-up of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

J.E. Dyer on September 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM

For any decision to pass in the 15-member Council, nine affirmative votes are needed, as well as no veto by any of the permanent Security Council members. The United States holds a veto and has promised to use it, if necessary.

Hey, France or the UK could veto it also. Why is it our problem? Does this suggest that the permanent members are all in favor of the resolution?

Bolton has it right, as have I for at least 2 decades…get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of US.

BobMbx on September 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Arab Spring, strong enough for a man, but I like it too.

carbon_footprint on September 20, 2011 at 10:23 PM

O/T
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U.S. Sen. Lamar Alexander
Press Releases
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Following are Sen. Alexander’s remarks prepared for delivery this morning on the floor of the United States Senate:

http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=0d1b14ca-99fe-4d2d-8bfd-8213544551e6&ContentType_id=778be7e0-0d5a-42b2-9352-09ed63cc4d66&Group_id=80d87631-7c25-4340-a97a-72cccdd8a658&MonthDisplay=9&YearDisplay=2011

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Won’t he do what he always does, borrow money and throw it at the problem?

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I hope they get their 9 votes…

Pass the popcorn…

Khun Joe on September 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I would love to know how W would have handled this, starting with the Arab Spring.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM

W. and Ronnie both would already have vetoed it. No question. It never would have gotten any traction.

Ronnie wouldn’t have let the Gaza Strip fall into the terrorists hands. Gaza would make one helluva combined arms base. You know, deployed “over the horizon” sorta stuff.

BobMbx on September 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I saw that & sent a link to AP by email. I don’t know what to make of it.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

BobMbx on September 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

That sure sounds better than what this numb nut is doing. Or not doing. What were 52% of the people in this country thinking?

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM

I have no trust in Obama that he will follow through with a veto. This is gonna get ugly.

OT- drudge has an article about the former President of Afghanistan-Rabbani- who was leading peace talks being killed today with a turban bomb. What message is being sent here? Why now?

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 20, 2011 at 10:33 PM

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM
I saw that & sent a link to AP by email. I don’t know what to make of it.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Cindy Munford:Thanks Cindy,I’m still have e-mail problems,
much,appreciated:)

Hertes another linky:)
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Alexander leaving Senate party leadership role
By Michael Collins
Published Tuesday, September 20, 2011
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http://m.knoxnews.com/news/2011/sep/20/alexander-leaving-senate-party-leadership-role/

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Palestinian National Authority
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http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Palestinian_National_Authority.htm

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Not one more dime to the UN – not one dime.

gophergirl on September 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM

You have to wonder if Obama really cares. He’s not fond of Israel anyway and it’s doubtful Jewish voters will abandon the Democrats completely, so perhaps he’s willing to chance it.

He hasn’t shown me he gets it about anything yet, why should it change. If he has to veto, he’ll be graded an “F” on this, as it is, if they’re successful in stopping it without a veto, he’ll still get an “F” because it was competely unnecessary for us to be in this position in the first place.

It’s like doing the continuing resolution on the budget in 10 days, everyone knows it’s coming, yet the Democrats haven’t submitted a budget yet and they won’t deal with the issue, except to say the Republicans are trying to close down the government. Isn’t this the same ploy they used the last time.

I still say the Republicans should have said, in August, they wouldn’t do anything about the continuing resolution unless the Senate submitted a budget so they could reconcile the differences between the House and the Senate.

bflat879 on September 20, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Cairo Speech DejaVu!!

canopfor on September 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM

I have no trust in Obama that he will follow through with a veto.

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 20, 2011 at 10:33 PM

I’m wondering the same thing.

Eren on September 20, 2011 at 10:46 PM

I’m guessing no with 99 percent certainty, but I reserve that one percent of doubt because he might be desperate in the aftermath to rebuild ties with Arab powers and that would be a showy way of doing it.

It’s getting close to crunch time on his re-election approval/disapprovals. Nothingwould give him an instant boost in the demographics he needs it like a veto in the SC and signing off on a bill to withhold Pali aid. Sure, his base would squeal a little, but who else are they going to vote for. It would be a huge positive move for him.

a capella on September 20, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Not one more dime to the UN – not one dime.

gophergirl on September 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM

THIS +1000

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Who was the first world leader Obama called after he was immaculated? It will blow your mind. Or not.

hoosiermama on September 20, 2011 at 10:52 PM

You have to wonder if Obama really cares. He’s not fond of Israel anyway and it’s doubtful Jewish voters will abandon the Democrats completely, so perhaps he’s willing to chance it.

bflat879 on September 20, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Obama can’t risk ending up with the same problem as Carter, after the Andrew Young-PLO affair in 1979. That was the event that was the flashpoint for Reagan getting over a third of the Jewish vote against Carter in 1980 — not a majority, but in the world of coalition politics and key urban area voting blocks the Democrats use, losing that many voters in 2012 would likely cost Obama any chance at winning Florida, would likely put New Jersey in play and (depending on upstate vs. downstate turnout) could even make New York competitive next fall.

jon1979 on September 20, 2011 at 10:52 PM

He can’t pretend to not be a muslim much longer.

SouthernGent on September 20, 2011 at 10:53 PM

This clcown is a straight up train wreck.

BallisticBob on September 20, 2011 at 10:53 PM

War is coming.

Revenant on September 20, 2011 at 10:54 PM

jon1979 on September 20, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Yep. He can turn this into a huge advantage from an electoral standpoint. He just has to pull the trigger.

a capella on September 20, 2011 at 10:57 PM

lol, what makes anyone think Obama would veto a motion for pali statehood. The destruction of US foreign power AND the destruction of Israel, in the SAME vote?? No way in hell would he veto it. He’ll metaphorically vote ‘present’, because he’s a chickensh1t. He’ll have Hillary abstain. China will vote yes, as it weakens us. Russia votes yes, same reason AND their own history of jew-killing.
Israel will truly stand alone. There will be no massive airlift of US military spare parts by the Obamunists.

rayra on September 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Oy Vey !!

pambi on September 20, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Did you see BarryMore strutting around the UN today, waving to all who glanced his way, grinning from giant ear to giant ear and shaking hands with anyone and everyone. It was like watching Oscar night. He just can’t bring himself to act presidential instead of like a rock star.

He’s a national embarrassment.

fogw on September 20, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Hey, France or the UK could veto it also. Why is it our problem? Does this suggest that the permanent members are all in favor of the resolution?

Bolton has it right, as have I for at least 2 decades…get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of US.

BobMbx on September 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Their position is as of yet unknown.

amerpundit on September 20, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Obama won’t veto

CrazyGene on September 20, 2011 at 11:47 PM

When the voting comes, Barry will march firmly up the lantern, with a steely glance, casts his “Present” vote.

bayview on September 20, 2011 at 11:52 PM

If Palestinian’s get statehood without strict conditions Israel will be drawn into multiple untenable positions which always was the object of the exercise, we can’t allow Israel to absorb the massive injury of extremely biased international courts.

That’s the thing about alliances sometimes they force their proof.

Playing kissass with the enemies of our biggest friend in the middle east, looks like the liberal jello on a plate agenda slides both directions and sticks in both directions.

Either we support Israel and stand toe to toe or bad things happen.

Speakup on September 20, 2011 at 11:55 PM

The bad news? This will undo any bit of goodwill we might have earned by siding with the people against their governments during the Arab Spring.

Undo what? They smile when they blow up now?

Ronnie on September 21, 2011 at 1:00 AM

Simply tell Gabon, Nigeria and Bosnia – if you vote yes, you get zero American dollars in any form, all debts are to be paid immediately and increse their tarriffs by 75%.

Want to bet with pigs, see how well they pay.

Odie1941 on September 21, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Why Israel doesnt have to worry about Egypt

http://youtu.be/nntAzkNVgMI

William Amos on September 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

But really William, how fast does your stick have to be when your DZ is the entire Sahara Desert?

hawkdriver on September 21, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Obama won’t veto

CrazyGene on September 20, 2011 at 11:47 PM

He has to. Very few of even liberal Jewish Americans would support a Palestinian State. He is in the proverbial rock and hard spot and guess who put him there. I’ll give you a hint. His initials are Barrack Obama.

hawkdriver on September 21, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Obama is stuck with the veto in the UN, it’s not just the Jewish vote but an extremely high percentage of practicing Christians that support Israel very strongly. It’s never been a strong demographic for Obama, but he did get some support last time which is definitely in doubt for 2012.

However, he wouldn’t necessarily have to veto the aid cut-off. Reid will never let it come to a vote in the Senate.

Adjoran on September 21, 2011 at 2:53 AM

If the US vetoes, what will that do to the possibility of terrorism in this country? I see grocery stores and malls being targeted by home growns.

bopbottle on September 21, 2011 at 4:31 AM

And so it came to pass that the fate of the peace process and of American influence in the Middle East fell to Gabon, Nigeria, and Bosnia, the way any smart, sane international assembly would want it.

Isn’t that the truth. What a joke is the UN. And the joke’s on us.

US out of UN and UN out of US.

petefrt on September 21, 2011 at 6:01 AM

We have Egyptians literally starving with a new government extremely hostile to Israel to start with just dying for a scapegoat. We have a Syrian thug killing his own people, also desperately in need of a scapegoat. And then we Turkey and Iran vying to be crowned leader of the Arab world looking to one up each other on Jew hatred. And now the terrorist Pallies are on the cusp of unilaterally claiming statehood without being so much as required to renounce genocide of Israeli Jews.

This will end well.

MJBrutus on September 21, 2011 at 6:37 AM

Zero turns everything he touches to failure. I’ll wager this will be too. What chance does a permanent campaigner have in this situation?

dogsoldier on September 21, 2011 at 6:41 AM

Can he just vote “Present” at the UN?

MikeA on September 21, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Zero turns everything he touches to failure.

dogsoldier on September 21, 2011 at 6:41 AM

It’s why he’s the Merde Midas :-)

MJBrutus on September 21, 2011 at 6:59 AM

I wonder…
Going back to the stuff that the MSM never vetted, we (at HA) know a few things, such as Obama’s taped appearance at a pro Palestinian banquet–that the LA Times has never released… His ties to that kooky Salahi family that “crashed his party”, the fact he has ties to a “sheik” getting him into Harvard (obscure YouTube clip from a NY cable show, I don’t know if it is still there), the “small donations” coming in from Gaza and/or the West Bank, his first phone call as president is to Abbas, the billion dollars in aid back to them, the fact that Obama spoke about Israel going back to the 1967 borders (before his epic spanking from Bibi)… He is obviously a strong Palestinian supporter and he loves the UN, why would he want to veto Abbas? I won’t believe it til I see it. And thinking about the way Bibi smacked him around, I wonder if he sees this as some kind of narcissistic revenge kind of thing. Like I said, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Boudica on September 21, 2011 at 7:12 AM

Why do we think he would veto? I’m not so sure.

What a sad state of affairs we are in.
I think these next 14 months are going to seem like an eternity.

JellyToast on September 21, 2011 at 7:23 AM

This is going to bring another war into the Middle East, no matter how the vote goes.

zoyclem on September 21, 2011 at 7:49 AM

If I were a Senator I would be asking/demanding a private viewing of that tape the LA Times refuses to publish just to make sure that someone won’t use it to influence Obama to vote yes.

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM

Do people actually believe Obama willsupport Israel? “My hands were tied”folks, my gunrunner…er…CIA informed me that grave harm will happen to the world if I veto the move. I had to considermy obligation to protect the people of the world, the little ones, the unborn….

Don L on September 21, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Excuse number 2 for not vetoing the action.

These are conditions that were set into irreversible play by the Bush administration’s UN ambassador, John Bolton. The Lord and Rev. Wright know I tried, how I tried….

Don L on September 21, 2011 at 9:19 AM

How are we going to make the Arab world hate us any more than they do already? If we do things that displease them, they hate us. If we extend a hand in friendship and try to help them, they hate us even more. Veto a Palestinian state AND defund the UN. What do we really have to lose?

RebeccaH on September 21, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Tell the UN we are ending our treaty relationship, walk away and take all the US nameplates with you. That will stop the funding… and their diplomatic immunity goes bye-bye. They can pay taxes for the place they occupy in NYC, and be liable for all their parking tickets. And labor laws. And anything else Bloomberg has done that is within city limits… which ought to be a real eye-opener to those in the UN.

Without US funding the UN evaporates.

They will decamp to Switzerland and then something useful can be done with the property.

Once the treaty goes, the place is done.

This should be part of the ‘Treaties we really don’t need that I will get rid of’ platform for any Presidential nominee. That is something a President CAN DO, if he or she has any brains or guts.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2011 at 9:32 AM

He’ll get back to them after his next vacation.

Kissmygrits on September 21, 2011 at 10:26 AM

what’s the vegas line on:

USA votes in favor of Palestine Statehood

that’s my bet, exactly what #Socialist #nObama will do when they figure they can get away with it, or the 2012 election is lost.

mathewsjw on September 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM