Perry: President emboldened Palestinians to seek statehood

posted at 12:45 pm on September 20, 2011 by Tina Korbe

President Barack Obama’s pressure-filled demands for concessions from Israel in peace negotiations emboldened the Palestinian Authority to this week seek formal recognition of statehood from the U.N. General Assembly, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said today in a speech in New York.

“We are indignant that certain Middle Eastern leaders have discarded the principle of direct negotiations between the sovereign nation of Israel and the Palestinian leadership,” Perry said in excerpts of a speech provided by one of his aides to The Associated Press. “And we are equally indignant that the Obama administration’s Middle East policy of appeasement has encouraged such an ominous act of bad faith.” …

“It’s vitally important for America to preserve alliances with leaders who seek to preserve peace and stability in the region,” Perry said. “But today, neither adversaries nor allies know where America stands. Our muddle of a foreign policy has created great uncertainty in the midst of the Arab Spring.”

Perry isn’t the only person who thinks the president’s policies on Israel have led the Palestinians to believe they have the wiggle room to make this bid for statehood.

Obama has been criticized by Republicans and many pro-Israel activists for seeming to push the Jewish state harder than the Palestinians to make compromises to achieve peace. Among other things, Obama has called on Israel to cease building housing settlements in the West Bank and to negotiate the scope of the Palestinian state using 1967 borders as a starting point — a diplomatic position the U.S. has long maintained but one that has never before been explicitly embraced by a U.S. president.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has also been outspoken about this issue, calling the confusion at the U.N. this week “an unmitigated diplomatic disaster.”

To be fair, ever since it has been clear Mahmoud Abbas would make an appeal to the General Assembly, the Obama administration has done what it can to resist the Palestinian push, promising to veto recognition in the Security Council and pledging to cut foreign assistance to the Palestinians if the General Assembly does recognize a Palestinian state. And Hillary Clinton has been scrambling to cobble together any kind of plan that would compel the Palestinians to abandon the ploy for statehood and allow Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations to resume in about a month.

But as AP wrote last night, no way this can end well. Sure, Abbas stands to lose as much as Obama, but, as Perry said, had Obama maintained a clear position all along, Abbas might never have been so brave as to embarrass the U.S. this way.


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Well he (Perry) certainly looks indignant in that photo. Well, either that or really, really sleepy.

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 12:50 PM

So, there are more important issues than an HPV vaccine? Who knew?

changer1701 on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

The only way to have peace, is for Israel to annex all the land West of the Jordan river, and expell all muslems.

I wonder if Perry, or any other candidate, has the courage to back this plan.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

No kidding!

Drained Brain on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Yes, well, Perry’s right about that.

dczombie on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Perry cares more about Israel’s border than our own!!!11!!1

John the Libertarian on September 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Muddled? From the start it was Pro-Islamic.

Oil Can on September 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Perry cares more about Israel’s border than our own!!!11!!1

John the Libertarian on September 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Sarcastic or no, a strong case can be made that is true.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 12:53 PM

It is time to call Obama out…about everything.
Good job, Governor. That’s a start.

kingsjester on September 20, 2011 at 12:53 PM

As long as Obama gets due credit of his hard work going into an election year, we can manage.

cartooner on September 20, 2011 at 12:54 PM

The LA Times could shed some light on this with a certain video they refuse to release.

Bishop on September 20, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Perry cares more about Israel’s border than our own!!!11!!1

John the Libertarian on September 20, 2011 at 12:52

PM

Sarcastic or no, a strong case can be made that is true.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 12:53 PM

That’s ridiculous, but make your case, Einstein.

cartooner on September 20, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Perry’s right. We need the GOP to come out and explicitly support whatever dictators are necessary to keep arabs from choosing their own leaders. America MUST come down on the side of autocracy for the sake of its relationship to Israel.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Perry is right on. Obama is clueless as usual and in his ineptness has made things much worse.

In that earlier video, the narrator states that Obama is well aware of the history of the Israeli-Palistinian stand-off. I’m not really certain of that. Why would anyone think he understands anything? His views are so skewed thru his hard-left, Marxist prism, I think it is impossible for him to see things objectively. He must go. NOW.

JAM on September 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

There he goes again with the harsh rhetoric. All Obama said was that he thought Palestinians should have an independent and contiguous state. How could that possibly have emboldened them to demand an independent state?

forest on September 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

That’s ridiculous, but make your case, Einstein.

cartooner on September 20, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Why should I discuss an issue, when you’re already spewing contempt?

Besides which, Perry’s softness on illegals is well known, if it has to be explained to you, you’re not paying attention anyway.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Perry’s right. We need the GOP to come out and explicitly support whatever dictators are necessary to keep arabs from choosing their own leaders. America MUST come down on the side of autocracy for the sake of its relationship to Israel.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

The Arab spring sure has been better for the world, hasn’t it?

portlandon on September 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM

The Arab spring sure has been better for the world, hasn’t it?

portlandon on September 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Days not weeks….. Or is it Months not years now?

sandee on September 20, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Why should I discuss an issue, when you’re already spewing contempt?

Besides which, Perry’s softness on illegals is well known, if it has to be explained to you, you’re not paying attention anyway.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

My comment keeps getting eaten, but here goes, Rebar:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/perry-pleads-again-for-drones-national-guard/

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:05 PM

“We are indignant that certain Middle Eastern leaders have discarded the principle of direct negotiations between the sovereign nation of Israel and the Palestinian leadership,” Perry said in excerpts of a speech provided by one of his aides to The Associated Press AMERICAN PRAVDA.

Hey Governor Perry (soon to be FORMER FRONTRUNNER), why don’t you blame your former bosses Daddy?

Bush 41 at the Madrid Conference was ready to appease the Palestinians in almost every way.

Peace will come when Israel destroys her enemies….PERIOD.

PappyD61 on September 20, 2011 at 1:05 PM

We need the GOP to come out and explicitly support whatever dictators are necessary to keep arabs from choosing their own leaders.

ernesto johngault23 on September 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

When the leaders they choose, are jihadists bent on destroying America and Israel, regardless of the consequences to their people – yeah, dictators are better.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM

So Darth Perry wants to, essentially, needle-rape the Pally’s now?

Evil bastard…

catmman on September 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM

(VIDEO) Rick Perry

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Can I say it now?

SMART DIPLOMACY!

Socratease on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Now, admittedly, I don’t live in Texas, but it seems like kind of a stretch to maintain that Rick Perry doesn’t care about his own state’s borders…

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

To be fair, ever since it has been clear Mahmoud Abbas would make an appeal to the General Assembly, the Obama administration has done what it can to resist the Palestinian push,

Well, not really. As John Bolton has stated, the swamp dwellers at Turtle Bay need to be told in no uncertain terms that this vote means the end of US financial support. If you want to get the attention of these corrupt scum, you have to threaten the gravy train. Period.

Nothing else is going to sway them after Obama has spent the last three years convincing them he is a Pali sympathizer, an Israel hater, and a weakling.

novaculus on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

The LA Times could shed some light on this with a certain video they refuse to release.

Bishop on September 20, 2011 at 12:54 PM

WINNER!!

Khun Joe on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

pundits defending dear leader right now…

‘he’s applying tough love on both parties’

righhhhhht

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Perry is not an immigration hawk, no matter how it’s spun – and it will be his failure on illegals which will likely cost him the nomination.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

The only way to have peace, is for Israel to annex all the land West of the Jordan river, and expell all muslems.
I wonder if Perry, or any other candidate, has the courage to back this plan.
Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Displacing the population would only escalate the problem. It would flat out mean war, and the west would stand back and watch as Israel burned.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Glad to know ernesto is happily siding with Islamics, whose number one goal is to reenact the “final solution.”

Well, I assume Ernesto will be horrified when mushroom clouds are over Tehran, Cairo, and Constantinople, right? That will certainly help the common Muslim! Because those dictators weren’t stupid enough to attack Israel. Or does Che-nesto want to deny Israel the right to self defense too? Probably. They aren’t brown skinned, and from what I can tell, only brown-skinned liberals have any rights in the world view of Che-nesto.

Vanceone on September 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

changer1701 on September 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM

and yet we’ll hear 5 questions about HPV at thursday’s debate…guaranteed

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM

OT/

Issa favors ‘Fast & Furious’ special prosecutor

This should get interesting…

sandee on September 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Perry is not an immigration hawk, no matter how it’s spun – and it will be his failure on illegals which will likely cost him the nomination.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Please at least look at those links I posted.

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

no, it wont. he could be better on immigration but its a non-issue. check the polls. outside of some rabid posters on here its way down on the list of whats important to the voters.

chasdal on September 20, 2011 at 1:13 PM

The LA Times could shed some light on this with a certain video they refuse to release.

Bishop on September 20, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Do you think a copy still exists?

Fallon on September 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Better to keep up with current events:

News round-up at The Jawa Report, including these insights about why and how the sanctuary city ban died:

Although Perry proclaimed the bill a top priority, the measure drew behind-the-scenes resistance from influential business leaders, including Houston home builder Bob Perry, one of the governor’s biggest individual political donors.

Bob Perry, who is not related to the governor, and San Antonio grocery store magnate Charles Butt were waging a subsurface effort to scuttle the bill.

Bob Perry and his wife, Doylene, have contributed more than $2 million to Rick Perry since 2001. The Houston home builder has also donated to the Mexican American Legislative Caucus, whose members led opposition to the sanctuary cities bill.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/20/texas-tea-party-activists-to-perry-hey-what-about-our-borders/

rrpjr on September 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Keep in mind, as reported by Al-Jazeera in 2008 that Hamas controlled Gaza RAN A PHONE BANK for Obama 2008 campaign!!!!!

watch report here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g

jp on September 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Perry cares more about Israel’s border than our own!!!11!!1

John the Libertarian on September 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Touche!

tencole on September 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Displacing the population would only escalate the problem. It would flat out mean war, and the west would stand back and watch as Israel burned.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

It’s nothing the Arabs haven’t already done.

And if the West truly stood back, it would be the Arab lands that would be burning, with Israel the clear winner and dominate power in the Middle East.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Amanda Carpenter piece, 2008 at Townhall

Palestinians Phonebank for Obama

jp on September 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

portlandon on September 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Then the GOP needs to come out and say this explicitly: “The Cold War is over. No longer will the United States act as if it supports self determination or independence for any nation or group of people. You are all subject to the will of the United States and Israel, and as such, we will prop up and install dictators wherever necessary to secure the interests of the United States and Israel. Freedom is only for those who explicitly support the post colonial order as we have designed it. Thank you, and God Bless America.”

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM

Perry declared sanctuary cities an emergency issue in January and put it back on the legislative agenda in June after lawmakers failed to approve legislation during the regular session. Legislation to ban so-called sanctuary cities – and subject anyone stopped for a traffic violation to document their citizenship – also failed during the special session.

So Perry keeps putting it on the legislative agenda and the legislature keeps voting it down? Wow. What a damning indictment of Rick Perry’s policies….

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:21 PM

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/border-leaders-blast-perry-question-spillover/

When he actually tried to do something about the border, looks like a good deal of mayors, sheriffs, etc., started in their moaning and groaning about how serious Perry was taking the border.

Like I’ve said on here ten times, it’s different being governor of TX. The hispanics get their panties all knotted and start having a hissy.

Read it …

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Amanda Carpenter piece, 2008 at Townhall

Palestinians Phonebank for Obama

jp on September 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

In 2008 I worked as a GOP election judge in a VERY jihadist-just trust me on this one-area of Chicago. After we closed and got the final tallies I printed an extra results tape(TOTALLY legal) and looked at the counts.
Zero received 500-600 votes. McCain got…13. 2 of them were from me and my husband.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM

I don’t know much about this issue, but could someone who knows
a lot answer the following questions for me – Thanks!

Why should they have a state?

Why should they not have a state?

Amjean on September 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM

And if the West truly stood back, it would be the Arab lands that would be burning, with Israel the clear winner and dominate power in the Middle East.
Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Oh, I’m sure the Arab capitals would get nuked, but the Israelis would still all be killed. No one would save them if they actually did what they are often accused of. They would have fallen in Nixon’s time if he had not resupplied them, and the Arab militarize have only gotten stronger since.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM

jp on September 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

good linky….

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 1:25 PM

ernesto johngault23 on September 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM

What nonsense.

The Arabs are fully capable of imposing their own dictators on themselves, as are all the dictators now in power.

To let a dictator who is friendly or at least neutral to the West fall, to be replaced with a jihadist, is simply in no one’s interest except the muslem brotherhood and other terrorists.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Vanceone on September 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Not to mention his strange ideas of what a dictatorship is and isn’t. As though the neighbors in Syria, Egypt and Jordan who are truly responsible for not allowing the Pallies to enjoy any human rights are some Utopian society and Israel, where they enjoy full participation are the dictators.

How do you suppose a Jew would fare if they were stupid enough to cross one of Israel’s borders?

PBHO and Madame SmartPower have provided all the encouragement to unleash this disaster of a UN push. The Security Council can block it, but the GA can declare them a non-member state. That enables an entire array of mischief from the Pallie animals. With Egypt and Syria both desperately needing some scapegoats and Turkey rivaling Iran to be the Champions of the Jihad right now the near future in that region is not looking rosy.

MJBrutus on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Rick Perry is the secret head of the Los Asesinos Coyote Drug Cartel. Everyone in Texas knows it, too.

Sooner or later, it’s all going to come out.

SlaveDog on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I’m glad Perry took my advice and is letting his hair get gray. Now, I think he really has a chance of beating Obama. Has presidential politics gotten that shallow? Yes it has because putting black shoe polish on one’s head shouts televangelical TV showman, not serious leader.

erp on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

the sanctuary cities bill.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/20/texas-tea-party-activists-to-perry-hey-what-about-our-borders/

rrpjr on September 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

So, if someone supports building a bridge, which I, as a business owner, support .. I donate to this person …

Also, I like cheap labor, so I donate to someone else who supports that.

As a business owner I’m not allowed to support multiple people based on MY interests without it somehow becoming the interests of all the parties I’ve donated to?

Malkin is a total joke completely unserious about the issues if she truly believes this, or anyone for that matter.

And speaking as the person donated to, I need to start vetting people who donate to me to make sure they don’t support a cause I disagree with even though we agree about 75% of the issues?

Malkin, who in the hell is it that you want to run? Who in the field is it that you’re crapping your panties trying to help? I don’t read her site so I don’t know, and don’t care … but really, using these strawman, totally false, arguments is stupid.

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:25 PM

You call it nonsense, but right there at the end of your comment you endorse the sentiment. I rest my case.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:27 PM

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM

Your level of misinformation is really stunning.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Rick Perry is the secret head of the Los Asesinos Coyote Drug Cartel. Everyone in Texas knows it, too.

Sooner or later, it’s all going to come out.

SlaveDog on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Funny, you’d expect more tattoos

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Oh, I’m sure the Arab capitals would get nuked, but the Israelis would still all be killed. No one would save them if they actually did what they are often accused of. They would have fallen in Nixon’s time if he had not resupplied them, and the Arab militarize have only gotten stronger since.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Fact is, Israel will have to expel the muslems, or due to demographics, it will become a muslem majority nation and the Arabs will simply vote to exterminate the Jews.

And your notion that the Arabs can organize and execute a successful war against Israel is simply laughable. If they could, they would have already.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM

I mean, rrpjr bolded this part:

Bob Perry and his wife, Doylene, have contributed more than $2 million to Rick Perry since 2001. The Houston home builder has also donated to the Mexican American Legislative Caucus, whose members led opposition to the sanctuary cities bill.

Which was what I am responding to with the comment above.

It’s like, I donated to GWB in 2004 … and I also had a paid subscription to penthouse or something …. Ohhhhh noooooossss…. GWB supports the porn industry, what a hypocrite!

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM

rrpjr on September 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Where’d you go, all of a sudden?

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Funny, you’d expect more tattoos…

cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM

You’ve never seen him without a jacket on have you? There’s a reason for that.

SlaveDog on September 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM

“As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel, from my perspective its pretty easy both as an American and a Christian. I am going to stand with Israel.”

HILARIOUS

Dave Rywall on September 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM

“As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel, from my perspective its pretty easy both as an American and a Christian. I am going to stand with Israel.”

HILARIOUS

Dave Rywall on September 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Why?

kingsjester on September 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM

dave is back…

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM

I rest my case.

ernesto johngault23 on September 20, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Because no other nation supports governments that are friendly, over homicidal maniacs who free express interest on waging war against them.

Pick up a history book, your ignorance is astounding.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM

and yet we’ll hear 5 questions about HPV at thursday’s debate…guaranteed

cmsinaz on September 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Yep.

changer1701 on September 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM

I’m really sick of Perry haters hijacking threads. If you want to talk about Perry’s stance on US Immigration, do it on a thread about that subject. The rest of us would like to discuss the subject at hand.

Susanboo on September 20, 2011 at 1:36 PM

And your notion that the Arabs can organize and execute a successful war against Israel is simply laughable. If they could, they would have already.
Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM

They currently have no reason to try. Israel is a convenient scapegoat. However, if Israel forcibly removes all Muslims from the West Bank as you propose, they will. Iran will take the opportunity to nuke them. It would be a huge mess all around, but Israel would not come out intact.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM

I really think that Rick Perry is in agreement w/ the totally awesome Andrew Klavan.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on September 20, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Malkin, who in the hell is it that you want to run? Who in the field is it that you’re crapping your panties trying to help? I don’t read her site so I don’t know, and don’t care … but really, using these strawman, totally false, arguments is stupid.

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I think sometimes she’s rather see Obama win then have someone from our side that doesn’t meet her “standards”.

I thought that with McCain as well. Now McCain was no prize nominee but he was better than Obama.

gophergirl on September 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Dave Rywall is back! Here to explain, once again, how we are all rubes for taking the Palestinians at their word about exterminating the Joooooos! Why, says he and ernesto, they don’t REALLY mean it. And even if they did, they are only JOOOOS. Who’s going to be upset if they all die a horrible death? Not any sophisticated leftist! And they are the ones who count!

All that “never again!” after WWII? Who cares? Besides, why should we support our fellow Western democracy in the Middle East, Israel? They should all burn and die!

Well, Dave and Ernesto: I’m sorry you guys like zyklon-B, but the rest of us don’t think it’s such a great idea. Nor do we think that enabling or assisting Birkenau to come back to life is a great idea. You guys apparently do.

Vanceone on September 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Dave Rywall on September 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM

How’s that “Arab Spring” working out for you?

Really Right on September 20, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Perry is not an immigration hawk, no matter how it’s spun – and it will be his failure on illegals which will likely cost him the nomination.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM

his failure?? seriously?? last time I checked it was the federal govt who was in charge with securing the borders, states can’t do anything about it, see the example of AZ. All they got was vilification and law suits from all sides and achieved absolutely nada. yeah, money squandered in courts because the fed govt is a corrupt and useless entity…when you have a federal govt whose systematic policy has been open borders with Mexico since umm…Reagan times to date, blaming the immigration failures on one or the other governor is disingenious to say the least. Do you really think voters are that dumb that they can’t see whose fault the illegal immigration really is? what can a governor really do about it once the illegals are allowed in the country and while the idiotic federal system and its bureacracy not only don’t do anything about it, but they hamper all states efforts to clean this mess…Perry can justifiably argue for a humane treatment of said immgirants’s kids who were dragged into their parents’ illegal situation through no fault of their own. Illegal immigration from mexico is the failure of the federal governemnt, period. Perry and the rest of the governors have absolutely no responsibility in this whole mess, they did not create it, why should they clean it then, besides they don’t have the means to do so to begin with.

jimver on September 20, 2011 at 1:45 PM

oups, errata, quote, not strike :-)….

jimver on September 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Oh, and Rebar? Let’s not overlook that “ethnicly cleansing” the Palestinians out of the West Bank would be morally reprehensible.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM

They currently have no reason to try. Israel is a convenient scapegoat. However, if Israel forcibly removes all Muslims from the West Bank as you propose, they will. Iran will take the opportunity to nuke them. It would be a huge mess all around, but Israel would not come out intact.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM

You are living in a fantasy world if you think the Arabs could win a war against Israel, they wouldn’t even try. Sure, there would be wailing and moaning from the UN and Europe, but in the end, Israel would come out stronger.

Where are these Arab armies going to come from? Egypt is on the brink of anarchy, same for Libya. Syria is in the middle of their own unrest, same with the rest of the Arab states. There is no Soviet Union to supply the arms and supplies they’ll need, and they don’t have the money to buy them.

The Arabs will be forced to do, what they should have done long ago – accept their fellow Arabs and settle them in Arab lands.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Oh, and Rebar? Let’s not overlook that “ethnicly cleansing” the Palestinians out of the West Bank would be morally reprehensible.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Why not – the Arabs expelled the Jews from their lands, wasn’t that overlooked?

When the partition happened, and Israel and Jordan were formed – the Arabs got Jordan and the Jews got Israel. That some Arabs refused to leave is their problem, they are de-facto Jordanians and Israel has the right to expel foreign nationals as a sovereign state.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:53 PM

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM
cynccook on September 20, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Whether I’m here or not, the case made by Malkin can be argued on its own merits — or ignored, or distorted by “straw men” or inverted logic, as we’ve seen.

The issue isn’t whether you as a businessperson have a right to contribute to the candidate of your choice. The issue is how do politicians alter their commitments and principles and stated intentions based on those contributions (and the related behind-the-scenes efforts of those contributors). It’s a familiar and tired game called crony capitalism.

Malkin is a “joke” because she’s dissatisfied with the current roster of lightweights and mountebanks currently running? She’s a journalist from the old school. Corruption is her beat. Her “Culture of Corruption” may be the most exhaustive and factually damning examination of Obama and the Washington political class yet written.

I have no interest in anything Perry (or Romney, or the rest of these corporate catspaws have to say) — they’re corrupt power-players to one degree or another of the sort which have degraded the essence of our social compact. We can’t see it as well or clearly anymore because we’ve become innured — a “new normal” has been established in our time. As such, we see the “tough-talking Texan” Perry as distinct. He is not distinct, except in the ways in which he has found to dissemble his corruption. Relatively speaking, perhaps he appears to some more “conservative” than the clutch of idiots and more or less corrupted characters around him.

rrpjr on September 20, 2011 at 1:53 PM

The Arabs will be forced to do, what they should have done long ago – accept their fellow Arabs and settle them in Arab lands.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:49 PM

What makes you think that, after 60+ years of refusing to do that, they will change course now?

stvnscott on September 20, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Your level of misinformation is really stunning.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:27 PM

No misinformation. You’re all sitting here advocating dictatorships over democracy. I just put it into the sort of explicit language you don’t have the cajones to write yourself. America stands with dictators, so long as those dictators go along with the post colonial order we’ve designed for the middle east. That you won’t explicitly say, “I support dictatorship” doesn’t mean you don’t actually support dictatorship. All I’m asking is that you own up to it, and be proud of your stance.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

You are living in a fantasy world if you think the Arabs could win a war against Israel, they wouldn’t even try. Sure, there would be wailing and moaning from the UN and Europe, but in the end, Israel would come out stronger.
Where are these Arab armies going to come from? Egypt is on the brink of anarchy, same for Libya. Syria is in the middle of their own unrest, same with the rest of the Arab states. There is no Soviet Union to supply the arms and supplies they’ll need, and they don’t have the money to buy them.
The Arabs will be forced to do, what they should have done long ago – accept their fellow Arabs and settle them in Arab lands.
Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 1:49 PM

I suggest that you are living in the fantasy world. All that unrest would dry up in an instant if Israel started pushing Palestinians out of the West Bank, and The Arab nations already have big enough armies. Unlike Israel, countries would be lining up to sell them supplies.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

The poker game in Israel is about over with all chips held by Israel.

Once Obama is turned out by a Perry in 2013, the possibility of the USA betraying Israel in war intelligence and armaments is gone.

So the Arabs must create a mythical border to liberate by armed attack now.

The Arabs are stupid.

jimw on September 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM

No misinformation. You’re all sitting here advocating dictatorships over democracy.

ernesto

johngault23 on September 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Yes misinformation.

The choice isn’t dictatorships over democracy, it’s dictatorships over islamic jihadist states. Islam and democracy cannot exist with each other.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Funny, but no.
You’ve got things all mixed up in your head. There is a lack of support for popular movements and “democratic” governments that do not respect basic rights, but the “colonial order” has nothing to do with it. Where the heck do you get this garbage?

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 2:03 PM

…other than Rebar.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 2:04 PM

So what’s your solution, count to 10? Just accept the inevitable holocaust 2, This Time We Will Finish the Job?

As for Ernesto trying to get people to admit we would prefer a dictatorship: we are seeing the alternative, your buddies “Arab Spring.”

How’s that working out? Egypt went from an economic surplus to almost total economic catastrophe. Libya is Somalia, times 2. Syria? Lebanon?

Yes, life is soooo much better underneath the new Arab democracy!

Hey Ernesto, did you know the Soviet Union and East Germany, circa 1970, were technically democratic? The people had the right to vote and everything! Too bad there was only the Communist party to vote for…. tell me, now: what parties are available for your new democratic Muslims to vote for? The Muslim Brotherhood versus Al Queada?

Dictatorship is better than those options!

But I don’t see why you have a problem with dictatorship anyway, Ernesto. You pine for it here; all leftists do. Government über alles! is your motto, and you can’t have more government than a dictatorship.

Vanceone on September 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Best part, Ed Koch will take it national.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM

I suggest that you are living in the fantasy world.

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

You are vastly, vastly overestimating the ability of the Arabs to wage war on Israel. The Arab nations are third and forth rate military powers, and Israel is top notch – overwelmingly superior in every way.

The fact is Israel will have to expel the Arabs and annex all the territory West of the Jordan river, or face extinction. A simple choice.

Rebar on September 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM

America MUST come down on the side of autocracy

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

NO one is more autocratic than Obama.

Name one nation which is free, due to Obama, I triple dare you.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 2:11 PM

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM

What a Utopian fool you are. May you never grow up.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

As a business owner I’m not allowed to support multiple people based on MY interests without it somehow becoming the interests of all the parties I’ve donated to?

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I have not read all of Malkin’s post yet, but when I saw yours, I remembered what Gov. Perry had said when he was criticized about “The Response” event.

I thot I read that the Texas Legislators had the power. They overruled him in the Gardasil mandate.

“I appreciate anyone who’s going to endorse me, whether it’s on The Response or whether it’s on a potential run for the presidency of the United States,” he said. “Just because you endorse me doesn’t mean I endorse everything that you say or do.”

“I’m sure that through my elections in the past that there have been some groups that have endorsed me publicly, that I appreciate their endorsements, but their endorsements of me doesn’t mean I endorse what they believe in or what they say,” Perry said.

bluefox on September 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Also, I like cheap labor, so I donate to someone else who supports that.

preallocated on September 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM

If by “cheap labor” you mean people who are in this country illegally, then you are corrupt.

If you mean that you can’t get the current laws changed though the legislature but you refuse to obey them, then you are a liberal.

preallocated: corrupt liberal.

jaime on September 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I think sometimes she’s rather see Obama win then have someone from our side that doesn’t meet her “standards”.

I thought that with McCain as well. Now McCain was no prize nominee but he was better than Obama.

gophergirl on September 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Actually, it’s called being the responsible journalist that we crave for these days.
Open your eyes people, no one is a perfect candidate. Don’t you want to know what their flaws are whether you support them or not….whether they have an “R” or “D” after their name.
Don’t you want to know what you’re actually getting BEFORE they’re POTUS?
I personally would rather have it all out now rather than later.

tencole on September 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Count to 10 on September 20, 2011 at 2:03 PM

The colonial order has everything to do with it. It’s our post-colonial design that brought about this issue in the first place. We can’t coerce the entire middle east to accept our carving out a Jewish state from the old Ottoman empire. As much as we may feel that this was the best course of action, its not as if we can annihilate anyone and everyone who disagrees, especially local popular movements made up of civilians and refugees. Your answer is to prop up dictators that will prevent arab governments from ever actually expressing the will of their people. The merits of this are debatable, but one thing is clear: your position amounts to the endorsement of autocracy as a perfectly justifiable form of government.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

It’s not my fault that you don’t have the stones to take your position to the logical conclusion I outlined in that post.

ernesto on September 20, 2011 at 2:17 PM

“As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel, from my perspective its pretty easy both as an American and a Christian. I am going to stand with Israel.”

HILARIOUS

Dave Rywall on September 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Who are you quoting and making fun of? If you’re not a Christian, then what does it matter to you if someone is stating they are and their reasons for supporting Israel?

bluefox on September 20, 2011 at 2:18 PM

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