Romney: “Rick Perry has a Social Security problem in Iowa”

posted at 12:45 pm on September 16, 2011 by Tina Korbe

So far, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has made little to no effort in Iowa — and he still shows no signs of seeking to win the state in the GOP primaries. But he’s doing his part to help Rep. Michele Bachmann’s chances there. Perhaps in retaliation for Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s tough talk in Iowa about the job costs of Romneycare, the Romney campaign today sent an e-mail blast announcing Perry’s “Social Security problem in Iowa.”

And, in fact, Romney has a point. According to the e-mail, roughly one in five Iowans receives Social Security benefits. “More than 580,000 Iowans benefit from Social Security,” the e-mail states. “In December 2010, there were 584,113 Iowans receiving Social Security benefits. In 2010, Iowa had 3,046,355 citizens.” Iowa might not be the state most receptive to Perry’s hard-hitting, Ponzi-scheme-themed rhetoric about the need to reform Social Security.

But as Perry is factually accurate in his statements about the venerable entitlement program — and as he hasn’t actually advocated abandoning our obligations to seniors — Iowans needn’t rethink Perry as a candidate simply because he has advocated “dismantling Social Security and sending it to the states, calling the program a ‘failure,’” as Romney’s e-mail reminds readers.

The e-mail might even just invite speculation about whether Romney now plans to really enter the Iowa contest, which, as Politico’s Alexander Burns notes, is probably the last thing Romney wants, as Romney probably wouldn’t compare favorably with Perry there. (Consider: Perry consistently leads Romney in the Iowa polls and by a substantial margin. RealClearPolitics’ most recent compilation of poll results shows that Perry has a +6.4 lead in the state.)

Still, this points right back to the problem supporters of the Paul Ryan plan have encountered. In Ryan’s case, it was Medicare reform, in Perry’s, it’s Social Security reform, but, either way, as necessary and vital as such reform might be, nobody wants to hear it, let alone vote for it. But, if the GOP is ever to succeed at convincing the electorate that entitlement reform is nonnegotiable, then Republicans have to have a unified message on the issue — and, in the interest of actually saving and strengthening Social Security, it’d be better if that message veered toward Perry’s approach than toward Romney’s.

In this matter, Romney and Bachmann, even, are missing the chance to unify around Perry’s message about Social Security, which, while seemingly politically inexpedient, has the indisputable advantage of truth and ultimate political expediency — because, as more and more voters come to recognize the imperative need for reform, they will reward politicians who’ve had the courage to speak the truth all along. Uniting around the message wouldn’t bolster Perry — if all three frontrunners had similar positions, it would turn into a non-issue in the debates and would concentrate attacks on Perry’s truly questionable positions. But it would, ultimately, bolster the GOP as it would allow the Republicans to use the primaries as an educational campaign on entitlement reform.

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was wrong on that. Just sayin’.


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Rick Perry: “Did Jimmy Carter recently endorse Rick Perry.”

JellyToast on September 16, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Does Romney intend to address the Social Security problem? Or does he think it’s OK the way it is?

forest on September 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM

A SS problem? Why, did Perry create an SS program for his state and then force everyone to join? I must have missed that.

29Victor on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Exerpt that Ed chose in the “Ponzi” thread

Texas Gov. and presidential candidate Rick Perry’s comments on Social Security, which include calling it a “Ponzi scheme,” appear to be a non-issue for most Republicans. However, they could cost him support with independents should he ultimately win the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. As many Republicans say they are more likely to vote for Perry for president because of his views on Social Security as say they are less likely — 19% each. Among independents, 12% are more likely to vote for him and 32% less likely.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

SS is a Ponzi scheme.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

I’m missing the linkage between calling SS a Ponzi scheme (which is factually is) and why people on SS would be upset by that.

Calling it out for what it is doesn’t mean SS benefits are going to be taken away.

That’s an assumption all of these politicians are trying to plant in voter’s mind just to scare them.

And it’s shameful.

I thought the Democrats were the ones who played scare tactics?

ButterflyDragon on September 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Well sure, because demagogues and cowards, that’ll fix Social Security, that’s what this country really needs more of.

Speakup on September 16, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Here’s the problem with reforming SS Perry’s way… if it’s a Ponzi scheme (and it is), how are you supposed to change the way it is now to allow younger taxpayers to have personal accounts and still pay for current retirees the same way, since their checks are coming from those people who will now be getting personal accounts? Double tax younger taxpayers?

Red Cloud on September 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM

1 in 5 getting social security? That’s a big f***ing number.

El_Terrible on September 16, 2011 at 12:59 PM

More than 580,000 Iowans benefit from Social Security

Well first that is an email, but assuming that is correct, Romney is still not being honest. Perry has said you cannot take SS away from people who are currently on SS.

You would have to say that anyone over the age of say 45 should get SS since they have been planning their retirement using SS. Under 45 (or whatever is deemed appropriate) would still have an opportunity to change their saving habits for retirement.

Or maybe a better way to stop SS, would be to say you get paid according to a pro-rate of your age when SS begins its demise. If you are 64, you get a slightly smaller payout. If you are 16, you get almost nothing.

jeffn21 on September 16, 2011 at 1:01 PM

ButterflyDragon on September 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Scheme has a negative connotation.

People, instinctively, don’t want to be part of something that is negative (wrong). So they’d rather simply deny reality.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Poor Mittens, he already got Jimmy’s endorsement, now he’s after Meggy Mac’s.

cartooner on September 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Romney has a Perry problem.

publiuspen on September 16, 2011 at 1:04 PM

But, if the GOP is ever to succeed at convincing the electorate that entitlement reform is nonnegotiable, then Republicans have to have a unified message on the issue — and, in the interest of actually saving and strengthening Social Security, it’d be better if that message veered toward Perry’s approach than toward Romney’s.

Umm shouldn’t that be negotiable?

Maybe I’m missing something here..but I would agree that we need to have a unified message on this.

Chip on September 16, 2011 at 1:04 PM

From Romney’s email:

A Reminder: Perry Advocates Dismantling Social Security And Sending It To The States, Calling The Program A “Failure”

doesn’t Mitt realize that using scare tactics like this, quoting out of context, and not mentioning Perry assurance to current SS recipients leaves him wide open to using before and after flip flop quotes from Romney himself?

Romney is wide open to a credibility attack, as he changes positions like the weather.

windansea on September 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM

We are an old state, our children leave for jobs. We are trying to fix that by bringing in businesses. We are lowering taxes on business and we kept our “right to work”. It is starting to work. Iowa is not deep in debt, no thanks to our last 2 Governors.

IowaWoman on September 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Mitt Romney has a “I destroyed the HealthCare industry, and caused 18,000 jobs in Massachusetts” problem.

portlandon on September 16, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Mitt Romney has a “I destroyed the HealthCare industry, and caused 18,000 job losses in Massachusetts” problem.

portlandon on September 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Perry took quite a slide in the latest Rasmussen poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

JA on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Shoot but to be expected with everything that went on the past couple of weeks.

gophergirl on September 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM

And, in fact, Romney has a point. According to the e-mail, roughly one in five Iowans receives Social Security benefits.

Tina, was going to blast you on this. But then you ended with this gem:

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was is wrong on that. Just sayin’.

My sense from listening to Quad-city talk radio is that it’s high time to talk honestly and grapple with the entitlements.

As for Mittwit, he’s just flailing. Funny, for the last 3 years, he never weighed in on any issue until the matter was moot — I think it was called “staying above the fray”. Now, he’s out there swinging left and right. Yup, flailing cuz Perry upset his carefully laid strategy.

AH_C on September 16, 2011 at 1:09 PM

You know what Mitt Romney should be doing ? Officially change his political affiliation to Democrat and run as the Democrat presidential candidate of 2012 – after all he believes in almost all deomcrat party principles (pro choice/anti guns/gorebull warming alarmist and most of all coercing citizens into buying health insurance against their own free will and can claim that obama care is just like.. romney care !

This would be a twofer – the DemoCRATS will get a candidate that they can get behind (he is now a Democrat plus he has “business experience”, he will be the first Mormon president rah rah) while at the same time dumping sure shot loser Ozymandias, King of kings

The GOP on the other handwill finally be able to get rid of RINO #1.

Just a thought.

nagee76 on September 16, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Romney has a Rush Limbaugh problem. He’s laughing at the Jimmy Carter endorsement. Not sure if MajaRushie knows who Meggy Macs is.

Marcus on September 16, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Poor Mittens, he already got Jimmy’s endorsement, now he’s after Meggy Mac’s.

cartooner on September 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Doesn’t she heart |-|?

AH_C on September 16, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Just a thought.

nagee76 on September 16, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Me likey.

AH_C on September 16, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Romney may be as big a liar as the current White House resident.

Perry has made it clear that current payees need not fear that he would take away benefits. But he correctly sees the system for the Ponzi Scheme it is and rightly refuses to perpetuate a fraud on this country’s younger workers. They don’t owe the older generation anything. Zip, zero, nada. The system is simply unsustainable and must be phased out in favor of a funded system.

Government is not the answer for health care or retirement benefits. We need to go back to a time when people took personal responsibility for their own welfare and did not rely on government to solve their problems. Romney demonstrates time and again that he is not the guy to lead us in that direction.

EconomicNeocon on September 16, 2011 at 1:14 PM

When Republicans use Medi-scare, aren’t they infringing on a Democrat copyright?

RBMN on September 16, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Mittens should be going after Obowma…

… I hear he is depressed.

Seven Percent Solution on September 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Perry took quite a slide in the latest Rasmussen poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

JA on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Reality has a way of coming home.

heshtesh on September 16, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was wrong on that. Just sayin’.

There’s the key point.

OhioCoastie on September 16, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Romney’s my number 2 choice, but he’s shooting for #3 with this attack. The nation has to quit with the senior-scaring or we’ll never get a handle on the problem until it’s too late. Romney is demagoguing the issue, and he’s misrepresenting Perry’s position too.

juliesa on September 16, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Romney is making the point that Perry is going to lose if he sticks with SS is a ponzi scheme. HA readers know that, but we also know Obama was a know-nothing upper class twit. Most voters dont vote logically- look at clintons re-election. You guys need to stop believing your own press-releases- Obama is not going to be easy to beat

drballard on September 16, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Perry took quite a slide in the latest Rasmussen poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

JA on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

This is likely voters too. Not good news. It appears the general electorate want to support a moderate. What will Perry do? Hopefully he doesn’t start saying we must rule this country according to biblical values.

I think we should, but many folks don’t want to hear that.

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Mitt Romney has a “I destroyed the HealthCare industry, and caused 18,000 jobs in Massachusetts” problem.

portlandon on September 16, 2011 at 1:06 PM

You can say that again…

Mitt Romney has a “I destroyed the HealthCare industry, and caused 18,000 job losses in Massachusetts” problem.

portlandon on September 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM

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Seven Percent Solution on September 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM

Been a day and still no link or post to Romney’s 8 point lead over Perry in CA. Denial. Cant dent that CT poll too. How about that new Rasmussen poll.

Perryair is discrediting itself to be Rick Perry fan bois.

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

The thread kinda shows whats wrong with conservatives that live in predominantly conservative areas. Texas is not an accurate baromter for the rest of the country. When I lived in Mississippi, I heard someone say “who cares what northerners think, they’re wrong!” Well, I care because they vote, and us not caring got us Obama. So Perry may make you all hot and bothered, but is a welder in PA gonna vote for him? Is a retiree in Florida going to get all gooshy for him?

drballard on September 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Iowa has the second or third oldest population of any state. Florida is obviously the oldest and Pennsylvania is also in the top three.

steebo77 on September 16, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Since when is Donald Trump the guy for every GOP candidate to have dinner with?

Does he have a Ring to kiss or something?

portlandon on September 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Look, the only way a red meat conservative gets elected NATIONWIDE is if he can persuade others to take up the cause. If he can’t, he’s regional. That’s why Reagan won. Any evidence that Perry can? Swagger is not persuasion. It only speaks to the converted.

drballard on September 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Hopefully he doesn’t start saying we must rule this country according to biblical values.

I think we should, but many folks don’t want to hear that.

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Ruling this country period is an elitist position, champ. So now you’re against religious freedom?

Thanks for admitting you don’t believe in liberty.

fossten on September 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Perry took quite a slide in the latest Rasmussen poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

JA on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I wouldn’t sweat it. If Barry’s pulling in 46%, odds are those undecideds will break for whomever the GOP nominates. So Perry would likely poll in the low 50′s once the general election was in full swing. This election will be about jobs, not Social Security.

Doughboy on September 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM


So Perry may make you all hot and bothered, but is a welder in PA gonna vote for him? Is a retiree in Florida going to get all gooshy for him?

Well gee I’ll have to wait for the results from Weiner’s district to decide.

Marcus on September 16, 2011 at 1:30 PM

fossten on September 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

Try rereading the comment for context you lunatic Palin worshiper.

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Romney is wide open to a credibility attack, as he changes positions like the weather.

windansea on September 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Perry is a flip flopper on immigration, on unilateral government mandates (Gardasil), and on whether he is a Democrat or a Republican and if he will campaign for Al Gore or not.

These are all serious issues to the honest observer.

scotash on September 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM

New Rasmussen Poll of likely voters:

Romney leads Obama by three.

Obama leads Perry by seven.

HOTAIR LEDE: Rick Perry’s Momentum!!!

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Been a day and still no link or post to Romney’s 8 point lead over Perry in CA. Denial. Cant dent that CT poll too. How about that new Rasmussen poll.

Perryair is discrediting itself to be Rick Perry fan bois.

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

New Rasmussen Poll of likely voters:

Romney leads Obama by three.

Obama leads Perry by seven.

HOTAIR LEDE: Rick Perry’s Momentum!!!

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Dude, get off it. If you don’t like “Perryair” or HotAir’s supposed shilling for Perry, then don’t keep coming to the f*in site and trolling any thread that mentions the names “Rick” and/or “Perry.” Jeebus.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

scotash on September 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM

sorry but Mitt is the king of flip flops, a partial list

‘I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.’

‘I did not see it with my own eyes.’

‘I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.’

‘I never really called myself pro-choice.’

‘I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.’

‘It’s a tax cut for fat cats.’

‘I like mandates. The mandates work.’

‘I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.’

‘It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.’

‘I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.’

‘I would like to have campaign spending limits.’

‘The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.’

‘I don’t line up with the NRA.’

‘I’m a member of the [NRA].’

(Romney also claimed NRA endorsement he never received)

‘I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.’

‘Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.’

‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.’

‘I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’

‘I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.’

‘I changed my position.’

windansea on September 16, 2011 at 1:53 PM

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’ve been posting here for a long time. And I care about my country too much to hand the election to Obama ala Harry Rreid style by nominating a guy who is going to make swing voters run away from the GOP faster than Sharon Angle.

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Romney scares old people the same as Obama, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Pelosi, for shame.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2011 at 1:55 PM

I was OK on Romney before the debates, but he is off the radar for me now. This type of dishonest demagoguery is despicable.

If even the GOP can’t talk about entitlement reform, we might as well stock up on ammo and wait for government collapse.

Clark1 on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Dude, get off it. If you don’t like “Perryair” or HotAir’s supposed shilling for Perry, then don’t keep coming to the f*in site and trolling any thread that mentions the names “Rick” and/or “Perry.” Jeebus.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Awwwwwww…..wadda madder? Did your grammy forget to make you some milk and cookies?

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM

But that’s not your point with your posts. Your point is to gripe about what a blog is posting because the posts deal with a candidate you don’t agree with or support. It’s fine to criticize Perry’s positions, but that’s NOT what you are doing with your posts. You are criticizing the blog’s content and editorial decisions. And one other thing, I don’t know who you’re supporting (I suppose Palin based on your Perry Derangement Syndrome), but I don’t think you should question anyone’s love for country if they support a candidate that YOU do not believe is a viable candidate.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Corruption, illegal aliens and open borders are a far greater problem for Rick Perry than calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme.

bw222 on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Awwwwwww…..wadda madder? Did your grammy forget to make you some milk and cookies?

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Very insightful. Tool.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I’m confident that enough Iowans (is that right?), even those currently on social security know that:

1. SS is a ponzi-scheme, unsustainable, wahtever
2. that the system must be reformed
3. that those currently on on near to it won’t see significant benefit changes in their everyday reality even in the event of reform.

The voter I worry about is not the one ON Social Security but that disinterested young/middle generation who roll with the whims of pop politics.

I trust our older generations more than the younger ones.

At 40 I figure I’m in the middle/middle. I know I’m screwed on SS. I’m fine wit dat. Our little girl’s future is something I’ll take a hit for.

I don’t see Perry having a problem in Iowa as long as he’s straight up and honest about it.

Jason Coleman on September 16, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Corruption, illegal aliens and open borders are a far greater problem for Rick Perry than calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme.

bw222 on September 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

See Swamp. That’s how you criticize Rick Perry.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:05 PM

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:05 PM

If you read hotair and the other delusional conservative sites. They didnt report on Allan West.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/allen-wests-advice-presidential-candidates

That’s because Allan West has to campaign in the real world, a real swing district with seniors.

Last three weeks have been nothing but wishful thinking. Rick Perry is a terrible debater, and his rhetoric whoopsup the base, but is going to scare swing voters away. Take off the Yellow Rose colored glasses.

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 2:09 PM

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

You sit on this blog whining like a little 8itch accusing someone else whining?!

Hahahahaha!!! Aren’t you precious!

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM

At 40 I figure I’m in the middle/middle. I know I’m screwed on SS. I’m fine wit dat. Our little girl’s future is something I’ll take a hit for.

I don’t see Perry having a problem in Iowa as long as he’s straight up and honest about it.

Jason Coleman on September 16, 2011 at 2:05 PM

That’s what I’m hearing overwhelmingly on Quad-Cities talk radio everyday. Most any senior will be willing to take a hit for their grandkids and great-grandkids.

AH_C on September 16, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Romney is slowly, but surely, ending his chances to become the next President.

Freddy on September 16, 2011 at 2:19 PM

SS is a Ponzi scheme.
Schadenfreude on September 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

If you are being generous to SS.
Otherwise, you might note that it is armed robbery disguised as a Ponzi scheme.

Count to 10 on September 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Again, that’s not the point. You are criticizing a blog’s decision to post and/or not post on a certain topic, in your case, Hot Air’s not posting a poll that shows Perry losing to Obama (which was posted, mind you). In almost every Perry thread, you complain about how “Perryair” refuses to post on anything negative about him. That’s not the same thing as criticizing Perry. My point is, if you don’t like the editorial decisions of a blog, why visit Hot Air and “the other delusional conservative sites?”

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

You sit on this blog whining like a little 8itch accusing someone else whining?!

Hahahahaha!!! Aren’t you precious!

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Thank you. You just confirmed beyond any doubt that you are indeed the tool we thought you were.

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM

“And, in fact, Romney has a point.”

Only if you believe the lies about what Perry has stated on social security and it appears Romney is going full boar promoting them.

JeffinSac on September 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Romney is slowly, but surely, ending his chances to become the next President.

Freddy on September 16, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Too slowly for my liking.

Extrafishy on September 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM

New Rasmussen Poll of likely voters:

Romney leads Obama by three.

Obama leads Perry by seven.

HOTAIR LEDE: Rick Perry’s Momentum!!!

swamp_yankee on September 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Can you imagine Perry’s numbers without the “Big Mo”?

whatcat on September 16, 2011 at 2:35 PM

A SS problem? Why, did Perry create an SS program for his state and then force everyone to join? I must have missed that.

29Victor on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Actually, Texas does have the solution: A Model for Social Security Reform

Perry needs to talk about Galveston.

slickwillie2001 on September 16, 2011 at 4:17 PM

A SS problem? Why, did Perry create an SS program for his state and then force everyone to join? I must have missed that.

29Victor on September 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Actually, Texas does have the solution: A Model for Social Security Reform

Perry needs to talk about Galveston.

slickwillie2001 on September 16, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Just what we need – a cozy retirement plan for government employees!

whatcat on September 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM

But as Perry is factually accurate in his statements about the venerable entitlement program — and as he hasn’t actually advocated abandoning our obligations to seniors — Iowans needn’t rethink Perry as a candidate simply because he has advocated “dismantling Social Security and sending it to the states, calling the program a ‘failure,’” as Romney’s e-mail reminds readers.

If the program was a failure, over 80% of the American people would not want to keep it…as for whether or not Romney is accurate..well that depends on what you believe…if you believe what Perry said in his book..then yes you could say Romney is being factual..however, if you believe the new version of Perry on social security, maybe not. For instance if Perry says that social security is unconstitutional, are we to assume he supports a program that is in violation of our constitution? If he says states can opt out, does that mean he supports the idea of some Americans being excluded from this program..and can a federal program survive if the states opt out?

I think a lot of people who are supporting Perry are downplaying the things he said in his book and just acting like it is all tough rhetoric designed to make a point.

The point is that if Perry had not said what he said the way he said it, we would not be discussing this right now. He is the one who created this controversy, not Romney or Bachmann or anyone else.

Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was wrong on that. Just sayin’.

Tina, that is your opinion and you have a right to it…but I think Perry is all over the place on social security so who knows if he is right or not? What we really have is a lot rightie bloggers and talk radio people who have decided to back Perry no matter what and so they are spinning for Perry.

Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was wrong on that. Just sayin’.

Tina, that is your opinion and you have a right to it…but I think Perry is all over the place on social security so who knows if he is right or not?

Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Yup, as far as can be determined Perry has gone from “Ponzi scheme!!” to following Romney’s (and others) lead of “fix it”.

What we really have is a lot rightie bloggers and talk radio people who have decided to back Perry no matter what and so they are spinning for Perry.

::cough::cough::Salem Communications::cough::

whatcat on September 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Lastly, just something to consider regarding Romney and Perry: Romney is attacking Perry on Social Security — but Perry is right on Social Security. Perry is attacking Romney on Romneycare — and Romney was wrong on that. Just sayin’.

Tina, that is your opinion and you have a right to it…but I think Perry is all over the place on social security so who knows if he is right or not?

Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Yup, as far as can be determined Perry has gone from “Ponzi scheme!!” to following Romney’s (and others) lead of “fix it”.

What we really have is a lot rightie bloggers and talk radio people who have decided to back Perry no matter what and so they are spinning for Perry.

::cough::cough::Salem Communications::cough::

whatcat on September 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM

It does make you wonder.

Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 5:04 PM

It does make you wonder.
Terrye on September 16, 2011 at 5:04 PM

It’s not as if there is a lack of conservative bloggers or talkers to draw from and, if a boss has his heart set on something, these aren’t exactly the best of times to not go along.

whatcat on September 16, 2011 at 5:09 PM

change is for suckers on September 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Whine away crybaby.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on September 16, 2011 at 8:54 PM