Rush: Bachmann really jumped the shark on Gardasil

posted at 3:25 pm on September 13, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

After my earlier post strongly objecting to Michele Bachmann’s attempt to link the Gardasil vaccination to “mental retardation,” the response has been nearly unanimous among commenters — and as it turns out, pundits too.  The Boss Emeritus, whose rational objections to Perry’s Gardasil mandate threaten to be overwhelmed by Bachmann’s demagoguery, tries offering Bachmann some advice on how to deal with the issue in the future.  Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, concludes that while Bachmann had an otherwise strong showing in last night’s debate, she “jumped the shark” last night and today by repeatedly using an attack that Rush says deserves “shame.” 

First, Rush defends Perry to some extent on the issue, calling it a “giant distraction“:

If you want to get directly to the “jump the shark” quote and see Rush deliver it, click the image to watch:

If Bachmann’s listening, here is Michelle Malkin’s advice, in part:

After successfully highlighting Perry’s troubling abuse of executive power during last night’s debate, Michele Bachmann risks blowing it with some factually inaccurate assertions.

She’s RIGHT on the principles, wrong on some of the details.

She needs to stay on message and stick with the facts.

The Texas state legislature repealed the order (over Perry’s hysterical objections) before any girl was forcibly vaccinated.

And while individual stories of Gardasil harm may or may not be true (Bachmann cited a mother who thinks the vaccine caused mental retardation in her child while making the post-debate rounds), it’s not the primary case she should be making.

Again: Bachmann is RIGHT on the principles, but it gets dicey citing cases where individual anecdotes need to be vetted before tossing them out on TV. She came dangerously close to using the same demagogic tactics Perry employed in obstinately defending the order even after it was repealed.

The main issue for Perry’s actions were the way he attempted to impose the mandate (by executive order) and the connections to Merck, both of which are fair game. As long as critics both inside and outside the race stick to those points, it’s an effective attack.  If the debate broadens to Gardasil itself as Bachmann tried to do, Perry may not be the only governor who will have to answer questions about Gardasil itself, however.  Pajamas Media’s Bryan Preston reaches into the Wayback machine and discovers the state of Alaska cheerfully accepting federal funds in order to distribute Gardasil for free during Sarah Palin’s tenure as Governor:

The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services announced today that an increase in federal funding will make it possible for all Alaska girls ages 9 through 18 to receive Gardasil ®, the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, at no cost.

Earlier this spring, the department had said it could provide free Gardasil only to Alaska girls who met certain eligibility requirements. Since then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided additional funds for Alaska to obtain more vaccine. This boost in federal aid will enable more Alaska girls to receive Gardasil. Distribution of this vaccine to providers is just beginning, so state health officials suggest calling providers before visiting local clinics to find out if the vaccine is available.

“We are thrilled that this unanticipated funding will allow us to provide the vaccine for all eligible girls,” said Laurel Wood, Alaska’s immunization program manager. “Although we have no guarantee that this funding will be available in future years, we hope to immunize as many Alaska girls as possible while we have this unique opportunity.”

The Boss Emeritus calls this a “really, really stupid attack on Palin” in an update to the linked post above, but I’m not entirely convinced. In the same post, Michelle argues:

The point is that Perry rushed to mandate the Merck-pushed order less than 8 months after it had received FDA approval. Clinical trial and safety data was extremely limited at the time. And scientific assessments are still coming in about the long-term and synergistic effects of this and other vaccines.

If the argument is that Gardasil was not ready for large-scale usage, then it’s not just about the mandate or the connections to Merck. The same argument against the mandate also apply in this case to taxpayer funding for massive vaccinations, do they not? And in this case, it’s the taxpayers who didn’t get to decide whether they wanted 12-year-old girls injected with a supposedly questionable vaccine at their expense, for a virus that isn’t easily spread through mandated proximity such as school attendance.

It’s not a problem on the same scale as Perry’s, but it’s not an unfair question to raise, either, if Gardasil itself is the problem, as it seems it is for some Perry critics.

Update: Worth noting — Perry actually has received nearly $30,000 from Merck over the past decade. Also worth noting — that doesn’t put Merck in the top 200 of Perry’s donors during that period. Seriously.

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Buttboy? Perry’s the sharpest one?

Keep on digging like good little nistas. It’s what you do best.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Now run back to AoS and tell about how you told those nasty ‘nistas off…snicker snicker…

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Understating the Merck contributions is going to leave a mark. I’m glad I didn’t go all in for tricky Rick.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Tricky Rick? I see someone has been spending a lot of time on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

because her r ecord shows she is not for sale. She would rather leave power then be bought off. She would rather return to her private life they feed at the teat of corruption. which part of this don’t you get? Palin’s record is one of working on behave of the people over the special interests. From her defying the mayore in Washilla when he wanted to use the power of the local government to reward his friend in the garbage collection business to her ACES law which took away the special cosy relationship between big oil and state government. Palin’s record is one of defeating corrution and returning government to the work of securing the greatest benefit to We the people. We don’t have to worry that we will have to pry her hands from power or that like Ted Kennedy the only way she will give up power is by dying in office.

this isn’t rocket science.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:04 PM

You had better take your explanation down a notch! LOL There
are a lot of “brick walls” around here.

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are weapons grade stupid.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Your stupidity has reached critical mass.

Everyone clear out now!

darwin on September 13, 2011 at 5:27 PM

What’s scary is that you are completely serious with that comment.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 5:23 PM

But I wasn’t. I was just pointing out that Palin’s not stupid, and if that’s the line of attack You-Eh-Vee wants to take against her, then he should proceed with caution given the abundance of ammo to be used against Perry in that department.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

For those who are confused:

What vaccination did Perry mandate? Answer – Gardisal
What vaccination did Palin NOT mandate – Answer – Gardisal

What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Perry? Answer – $30,000.00 (known at this time)
What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Palin? Answer – zero

What is the real backstory of Palin’s involvement in the
Gardisal debate? She, as governor, accepted federal dollars
to help families who wanted the vaccination help pay for the
$360.00 cost. She was not lobbied by Merck (she saw no lobbyists
in her office), she accepted no campaign contributions from
Merck and she did not mandate that little girls had to get this
series of vaccinations.

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 5:13 PM

It appears the most confused around here is Ed. Normally I would chalk up all this Perry love to coincidence, but now I have to wonder. Maybe a little extra talk in the old confessional this week, Ed?

SKYFOX on September 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I provided evidence that she possesses an above-average intellect. I included the link about Perry’s poor college grades to show that two can play at your insult game, if they are so inclined.

I provide the entire 2008 election, and post reality/self-promotion adventures as proof that she’s well below-average intellect.

I suppose it’s how you interpret it.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Oh. My. Goodness. Limbaugh dropped a nuke on Bachmann. Look at the picture he decided to use on his show’s website front page.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Now run back to AoS and tell about how you told those nasty ‘nistas off…snicker snicker…

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

You’re a cartoon.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Who are the two woman candidates?

I know Bachmann is, but the other?

Herr Doktor? No – Huntsman. Gotta be Huntsman.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

more humor?

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:34 PM

You’re a cartoon.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You’re the one hurling juvenile insults.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I provide the entire 2008 election, and post reality/self-promotion adventures as proof that she’s well below-average intellect.

I suppose it’s how you interpret it.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Since you’re so smart, let’s see you get elected as a councilman, mayor, governor, write two books, have a cable series, get on the speaking circuit, run your own business and be selected as a VP candidate.

C’mon, if Palin did that being super duper dumb you should have it all done within a year or so.

darwin on September 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Oh. My. Goodness. Limbaugh dropped a nuke on Bachmann. Look at the picture he decided to use on his show’s website front page.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Good. She is a joke.

portlandon on September 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Now run back to AoS and tell about how you told those nasty ‘nistas off…snicker snicker…

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

You’re a cartoon.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Says the idiot whose only function at this site is to fling poo at selected appearances of the name “Palin”. You should know a thing or two about cartoons.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Palin? Answer – zero

Actually they contributed to McCain-Palin in 2008

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

And your point is?

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Even separating it from the context at hand, Ace has become a tad too unhinged. Not good to go off the obsessive deep end on any topic if you want to be taken as a serious blogger.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:10 PM

ACe of clowns is on the hunt for his white whale.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I provide the entire 2008 election, and post reality/self-promotion adventures as proof that she’s well below-average intellect.

I suppose it’s how you interpret it.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I’m sorry, UAV, I don’t get it. How is self-promotion proof of stupidity? Especially if it’s successful self-promotion?

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Palin is a hypocrite and she showed it last night for all to see after taking the money for the vaccine but someone else made her do it. I am tired of women candidates in general right now and I am a woman.

I would have my daughters vaccinated if they were that age just like I had my youngest get the meningitis vaccine in Texas. It should be up to the parents whether they get their children vaccinated or not. This idea that he mandated it is one thing but the FACT that it had an OPT OUT is missed. What part of OPT OUT do some of these candidates miss? It should have gone through hearings but he admitted he made a mistake. How many candidates admit they made a mistake? Has Bachmann ever made a mistake in her whole life.

She is nothing but a fraud with being head of the Tea Party Caucus in the House that never meets and never takes a stand. She wanted on her resume nothing more.

$30,000 donations over ten years is considered a major contributor? Give me a break.

Coming from Bachmann who takes federal funds for hubby’s anti-gay clinic and claimed on her filing with the House she actually did get money from the farm subsidies. Who is donating to her Super PAC and how much? That should be interesting the end of this month to find out or are they going to be like Sarah PAC and late to file at the beginning?

This much to do about nothing especially since Gov Perry said he was wrong. I cannot believe how much some of our candidates sounded like Democrats last night on social security. Who did their talking point papers as that debate seemed orchestrated to gang up on Governor Perry. Same person who has been dropping all the negative stories and some filled with lies?

PhiKapMom on September 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

The one thing everyone can take away from this all is that if Perry were able to think on his feet he could have batted it down on the spot. As it is, the crowd turned on him and today his camp is in damage control mode on this.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Says the idiot whose only function at this site is to fling poo at selected appearances of the name “Palin”. You should know a thing or two about cartoons.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

You obviously only read the Palin threads – which would be expected from your remote tribe.

Keep those little paws digging.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

PhiKapMom on September 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

How is Palin a hypocrite?

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

How is self-promotion proof of stupidity

Self-promotion isn’t stupid – it’s smart, and necessary.

It’s what comes out her mouth during said events that make me question her intellect, and ultimately, her qualification to run for the highest state of office.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Karl Rove and Charles Krauthammer have no comment..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Palin is a hypocrite and she showed it last night for all to see after taking the money for the vaccine but someone else made her do it. I am tired of women candidates in general right now and I am a woman.

PhiKapMom on September 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

This should dispel any myths you have about Palin and Gardasil.

darwin on September 13, 2011 at 5:45 PM

- office of state

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM

It’s what comes out her mouth during said events that make me question her intellect…

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Example? Start with the Indianola event.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Perry’s gubernatorial campaign, for example, received nearly $30,000 from the drugmaker since 2000, most of it prior to his decision in 2007 to order young girls to obtain Merck’s vaccine against the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Merck has also given more than $355,000 in donations to the Republican Governors Association since 2006, which was the year that Perry began to play a prominent role in the Washington-based group, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics.

Perry served as chairman of the RGA in 2008 and again this year until he decided to run for president. The group also ranks among Perry’s biggest donors, giving the Texas governor’s campaign at least $4 million over the past five years, according to Texans for Public Justice.

Washington Post

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM

It’s what comes out her mouth during said events that make me question her intellect, and ultimately, her qualification to run for the highest state of office.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

If you mean that the neologisms (e.g. “refudiate”) make you cringe, maybe it would help to remember two things:

1. We have an example before us of two living Presidents who both pronounce “nuclear” as “nucular”. One is George W. Bush, and one is Jimmy Carter. You remember how we all had to hear “Bush is stupid” from the liberals for eight weary years? It wasn’t true of him then, and it’s not true of Sarah Palin now.

It’s not even true of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy bids fair to be the second-worst President of all time, but it’s not because he’s stupid. On the contrary, my opinion of Jimmy Carter is that he is intellectually vain, and that is the cause of both his irritating condescending manner and his willful blindness on matters such as Middle East politics.

2. If Palin’s words make you think she’s stupid, she does have a record as governor that we can look at. Did she make any stupid decisions that harmed Alaska?

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

It’s what comes out her mouth during said events that make me question her intellect…

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Example? Start with the Indianola event.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I didn’t think the shit-stirrer would be able to point out anything. “She’s stupid because I say so…har har har…”

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I love Michelle Bachmann and feel she is very qualified to be POTUS, but this is a good example why politics and science do not mix. That was an incredibly ill-informed comment about vaccinations and retardation. A bump in the road? Waiting to see if the MSM runs with it. The libs probably beleive it too, children victimized by Big Pharma, has to be factual. Co2 and gobal warming comes to mind. $40,000 to cut off a foot.

I am not a racist on September 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Well, it is not as if Rush has a big problem with crony capitalism, he never did.

I think Bachmann was very passionate about the whole thing, but then again I thought she went over board on the debt ceiling issue myself.

I think Perry’s two big problems are both self inflicted…immigration and social security and thus far he has done a crappy job of handling both of them.

And his supporters can not blame everyone else forever.

Terrye on September 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM

In the rush to hang Perry, with Merck…here’s some interesting info…

Political contributions
Merck gave $$1,497,944 to federal candidates in the 2008 election cycle through its political action committee (PAC); 51% to Democrats and 49% to Republicans.

Some interesting board members…

Kenneth C. Frazier – President & CEO, Merck; Director Exxon Mobil
Thomas H. Glocer – CEO, Reuters, Inc.
William B. Harrison, Jr. – Lead Board Director & Retired Chairman, JP Morgan Chase & Co.
C. Robert Kidder – Director, Morgan Stanley
Rochelle B. Lazarus – Chairman, Ogilvy & Mather; Director, General Electric
Patricia F. Russo – Director, Alcoa, Inc. & General Motors

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Merck

capejasmine on September 13, 2011 at 6:00 PM

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I don’t mean to be a pill, but could you stow the snark for a bit? (“On this blog? Never! Harrumph, harrumph!”) :-)

It’s just that my questions to UAV were meant seriously and respectfully, and I’m hoping we don’t get derailed too badly.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Huge assumption and very wrong. I’ve been with hotair from the beginning and have no use for other blogs really.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

You’re slipping Ed. A little more research is called for.

For example, how much did Merck give to the Republican Governors Assoc that then funneled the money back to Perry?

If he truly made a mistake, why did Perry refuse to sign the bill?

If Perry is really a conservative, would he use an executive order to mandate the set of vaccinations? Certainly does not seem to be conservative to me. It is statist.

huckleberryfriend on September 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM

This “dust up” has gotten a bit out of hand. Perry tried to do something questionable but it never happened and he probably had a lot of medical advice on the potential benefits. What we should be focusing on is who has sufficient executive experience to be POTUS and how well did they perform in their previous positions. This qualifies Perry, Romney, Gingrich, Cain and Palin and I don’t think that Bachmann makes the cut. On a personal basis I prefer Cain or Palin.

duff65 on September 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Oh. My. Goodness. Limbaugh dropped a nuke on Bachmann. Look at the picture he decided to use on his show’s website front page.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM

How will O’Reilly and Hannity handle it tonight? Greta had a chance to be the first to push back last night. She didn’t take advantage of a Bachmann served up to her on a silver platter, right after the CNN debates. Bachmann revealed in her own words. Greta could have scored some points for Team Fox if she was on the ball. I thought Greta was a lawyer, she just plays one on TeeVee LOL!

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:14 PM

more humor?

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Actually on that one, I’d like you to answer.

You said there were two female candidates.

Who are they?

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:14 PM

The one thing everyone can take away from this all is that if Perry were able to think on his feet he could have batted it down on the spot. As it is, the crowd turned on him and today his camp is in damage control mode on this.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

A valid point.

Additionally, Bachmann could have shored herself up a bit with her attack since it was effective. But she went lost any ground she may have gained with all the crap today and after the debate.

For Perry though, this will probably be a minor inconvenience.

He has much weaker issues than this.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

CNN is noting its Tea Party debate ratings from last night…

CNN’S REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES DEBATE WAS #1 LAST NIGHT IN BOTH TOTAL VIEWERS AND DEMO 25-54; DRAWS 3.6 MILLION VIEWERS

CNN Digital Live Video of the Debate Triples New Hampshire

According to Nielsen Fast National data (8-10pm), CNN’s Tea Party Republican debate moderated by Wolf Blitzer delivered 3.6 million total viewers and 1.1 million among adults 25-54 last night, Monday, September 12. CNN ranked first in both total viewers and among the P25-54, topping second place FNC by +88% in total viewers (3.6m vs. 1.9m) and by +204% in the key demo (1.1m vs. 370k). CNN also out-rated third place MSNBC by +455% among total viewers (3.6m vs. 643k) and by +599% among 25-54 (1.1m vs. 161k).

Fox New better get on the ball CNN is making moves. When are they going to call Michelle Bachmann out on her claim last night on Greta’s On The Record – oh the irony that the Gardasil vaccination causes retardation, because some woman stopped and told her that had happened to her daughter……

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

The first rule of HA seems to be that all threads will evolve into Palin threads.

slickwillie2001 on September 13, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Palin had no choice but to accept this money.
kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Anyone else notice that whenever something in Palin’s record pops up that could be construed as a negative towards her, someone always remarks that she was “forced” to do it?

Why, that was expanded on in the rest of my comment, which you have kindly decided not to post so it fit your screed. Let me help you out here. The *REST* of what I said was:

Could you imagine the outrage had she refused it and some people couldn’t get the shot? Yes, people could reach into their own wallets to pay for it, but we know how well that thought warms hearts of the populace, especially when the opportunity was there that they didn’t have to.

People in the state would be harping that she is wasting state taxes on something the feds would have picked up.

So that kind of takes away from your cheap attempt at a smear, doesn’t it?

Just like she was “forced” to quit the governorship, yeah?

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Another winner on the beat the dead horse talking point #11. Yawn.

kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

slickwillie2001 on September 13, 2011 at 6:28 PM

De-volve, as it were…

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Brian William’s lead story. I knew it.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Not really if one wants to make the argument for who’s the “purest” conservative out there.

Alaska (under Palin) took federal funds to pay for the health care of state citizens on this issue. Texas (under Perry) would not have had the program been implemented – which it wasn’t.

That statement is completely true and completely factual. Some won’t like it, but that doesn’t change the facts.

Could you imagine the outrage had she refused it and some people couldn’t get the shot? Yes, people could reach into their own wallets to pay for it, but we know how well that thought warms hearts of the populace, especially when the opportunity was there that they didn’t have to.

Isn’t this exactly what we are trying to make happen by repealing Obamacare? Are you making the same argument for it with this statement? Sounds like it. So the citizens of Alaska, with all of their oil money and the government check each Alaskan gets every year, couldn’t afford a $300 set of shots if needed? The only recourse the state or its citizens had was to turn to federal (taxpayer) money?

Of course I know you’re not making that point at all. You like Palin and Palin is no statist. You’re defending her and Alaska under her leadership

But an argument can be made on this issue.

No one is “pure”.

No one.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Some have asserted that Perry was not dishonest at all when he said he only received $5,000 from Merck because that is all Merck gave his campaign in 2006.

Actual words spoken during last night’s debate:

Bachmann: The drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor, and this is just flat-out wrong. The question is, is it about life, or was it about millions of dollars, and potentially billions, for a drug company?

Blitzer: Alright, I’ll let Sen. Santorum hold off for a second. You’ve got to respond that.

Perry: Yes, sir. Um…the company was Merck…and it was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raised about $30 million. And if you’re saying I can be bought for five thousand, I am offended.

The Gardasil mandate executive order was issued in 2007.

Texas Governor Rick Perry received at least $23,500 in campaign contributions from drug-maker Merck & Co., including $5,000 in 2006, the year before he ordered girls throughout the state to take a new Merck vaccine.

Wouldn’t contributions prior to 2007 be relevant information? Rick Perry said he raised $30 million. $15,775,168.37 of that was for the 2006 election. $14,345,102.42 was for the 2002 election. If the $30 million figure Perry cited includes more than just 2006 contributions, why then did he only mention the one $5,000 contribution from Merck in 2006 and fail to address previous donations from Merck?

Perry was being deliberately dishonest.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Some Republican women would like Sarah Palin if she looked more like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Debbie Stabenow … expecially Republican woman who look like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Debbie Stabenow.

bw222 on September 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

So Alaska offering Gardisil to children whose parents approve is the same as Texas Giving a Mandatory prescription to children with a Parent opt out?

Sorry Ed, not seeing a tie in here.

portlandon on September 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM

It’s kind of a big distinction. So yes, Malkin is right that this is “a really, really stupid attack” to aim at Palin. The two situations are nothing alike.

However, Malkin was wrong to make a big deal of the vaccination only being FDA-approved for 8 months beforehand. The FDA is slow to approve drugs, to the point that people sometimes buy drugs overseas because they need them badly, and can’t wait for the slow FDA-approval process. That doesn’t mean that the FDA never approves an unsafe drug, but they at least preform due diligence before approving it. If it was FDA-approved, then it was fairly well tested.

tom on September 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Alaska (under Palin) took federal funds to pay for the health care of state citizens on this issue. Texas (under Perry) would not have had the program been implemented – which it wasn’t.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

On a related note:

During Palin’s governorship (Fiscal Years 2008 through 2010), direct Federal revenues accounted for an average of 22.2% of total revenues and 24.8% of total expenditures.

During Perry’s governorship (Fiscal Years 2002 through 2010), direct Federal revenues accounted for an average of 39.5% of total revenues and 44.9% of total expenditures.

In Fiscal Year 2010, Federal revenues accounted for 27.2% of Alaska’s revenues and 28.4% of the state’s expenditures.

In Fiscal Year 2010, Federal revenues accounted for 48.4% of Texas’s revenues and 49.6% of the state’s expenditures.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:10 PM

this whole crony capitalist attack is populist BS. rich and powerful businessmen have access to pols, its the way it is. they use that access to get legislation passed. we the voters have to be vigilant that its not abused (i.e. curly fry lightbulbs) business friendly laws allow economic growth, creates wealth and jobs and helps us all. legislation w/ an opt out may not be great but it aint crony capitalism. if sarah and michele want to be anti-business then we’ll end up w/ just as crappy an economy as obama has got us. and if you really believe perry is into crony capitalism than what other companies are there? so far just one instance and for just 28 grand at the most. really? if he was for sale no one seemed to know.

chasdal on September 13, 2011 at 3:51 PM

There’s a difference between business-friendly, and market-friendly. It’s possible to have legislation that favors established businesses and makes it harder for newer or smaller businesses to compete. Such legislation may well be “business-friendly” by some measures while hurting the free market.

“Crony Capitalism” is about the government aiding some businesses while hurting others. It may be understandable that businesses try to use the government against their rivals, but it is never acceptable.

tom on September 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

First.

Too much gore and blood in here, I’m leaving.

Bishop on September 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Perry is a liar, hypocrite, race-baiter, gender-baiter and slow on the uptake to boot. He will never, ever be president.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

The Boss Emeritus calls this a “really, really stupid attack on Palin”

Wow. Who would have guessed?

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

rich and powerful businessmen have access to pols, its the way it is.

chasdal on September 13, 2011 at 3:51 PM

You sound like a true blue tea partyer, sir!

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Wow. Who would have guessed?

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

HA defends Perry and insinuates Palin did something wrong when her issue was mandates, not whether the vaccine was sake. Who would have guessed?

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Bachmann lost my support. What she did was just cheap politics. She’s really demagogued on this. He we are in the GOP debates ripping each other apart like Democrat thugs.

NickDeringer on September 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Perry Palin is a liar, hypocrite, race-baiter, gender-baiter and slow on the uptake to boot. She will never, ever be president.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

During Palin’s governorship (Fiscal Years 2008 through 2010), direct Federal revenues accounted for an average of 22.2% of total revenues and 24.8% of total expenditures.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011

LOL. Impressive sample. /s

Get off your knees. You’re pathetic.

CW on September 13, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Prove it.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:25 PM

The usual suspects all in a lather as usual. No life losers.

CW on September 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

HA defends Perry and insinuates Palin did something wrong when her issue was mandates, not whether the vaccine was sake. Who would have guessed?

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:22 PM

So Palin didn’t care if the vaccine was safe?? Wow

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

The usual suspects all in a lather as usual. No life losers.

CW on September 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Yep, you’re here.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

The usual suspects all in a lather as usual. No life losers.

CW on September 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Thank you for your thoughtful and fact-filled contribution to the discussion.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM

LOL. Impressive sample. /s

Get off your knees. You’re pathetic.

CW on September 13, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Thank you for your thoughtful and fact-filled contribution to the discussion.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM

That doesn’t mean that the FDA never approves an unsafe drug, but they at least preform due diligence before approving it. If it was FDA-approved, then it was fairly well tested.
tom on September 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM

List of withdrawn drugs

Unfortunately it often takes years before the biggest dangers are manifested. The CDC has some records of already admitted adverse effects from Gardasil, including death, at it’s site.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 7:29 PM

Alaska (under Palin) took federal funds to pay for the health care of state citizens on this issue. Texas (under Perry) would not have had the program been implemented

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Fact: Perry would have used federal SCHIP and Medicaid funding for the vaccine.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:31 PM

So Palin didn’t care if the vaccine was safe?? Wow

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Yes, that’s exactly what alwaysfiredup wrote.
/

P.S. Be sure to say “hi” to Huck for me!

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Fact: Perry would have used federal SCHIP and Medicaid funding for the vaccine.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Damn us and are facts!

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

*our

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Interesting. I am unable to post a link indicating that Perry used federal funds to balance the Texas budget. Feel free to google “Perry balance budget federal funds” for yourself.

Perry is trying to slime Palin because he can’t defend his own record. Shameful.

alwaysfiredup on September 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Between her and Mark Levin, what is it that causes some very good, strong conservatives to launch fusillades against other conservatives in service of Sarah Palin?

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Because it was a really, really stupid attack on Palin.

Perry mandated it by Executive Order after receiving contributions from Merck, without even allowing the Texas legislature to debate it first, and was rightly smacked down by that same legislature.

The Alaska DHSS offered it to all eligible girls free of charge.

See a difference, yet?

I am not attacking Perry about this, but anyone who thinks there is any degree of connection between mandating and offering, simply in order to trash Palin, is just showing their own foolish bias.

Because it WAS a really, really stupid attack on Palin.

Siddhartha Vicious on September 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Perry is a crony capitalist of the worst kind….

Reporting from Washington– The biggest political donor to Texas Gov. Rick Perry during his 11-year tenure has not been one of the state’s oil barons or cattle ranchers, but a Washington-based organization into which Perry helped funnel millions of dollars.

The Republican Governors Assn. — which Perry chaired twice — gave him $4 million in the last five years, making it the largest single source of the $102.8 million he has raised since 2001.

The organization’s donations came as Perry helped infuse the governors’ group with millions of dollars from some of his major political patrons. Out of the $217 million the RGA raised between January 2006 and June 2011, $68.7 million came from 139 donors who have also given to Perry, according to a new report being released Tuesday morning by the watchdog group Texans for Public Justice.

Nearly a third of those contributors were wealthy Texans who form the backbone of Perry’s finance operation — many of whom were not active donors to the RGA until 2006, when the Texas governor took on a bigger role at the organization.

Perry’s time at the RGA — which he chaired in 2008 and again this year until he announced his presidential bid last month — proved lucrative for all involved. Both the RGA and its counterpart, the Democratic Governors Assn., can raise unlimited contributions from individual and corporate donors, allowing them to direct large-dollar donations to embattled governors.

With Perry as its head, the group raked in money from new donors. The Texas governor gained a national platform and money for his reelections. And his major contributors — many of whom have received state contracts, grants or appointments during his administration — had another outlet to express their support for Perry.

“It seems to be all part of a pay-to-play form of pragmatic politics,” said Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice.

http://mobile.latimes.com/p.p?a=rp&m=b&postId=836039&curAbsIndex=0&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A7%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A5217%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D3

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 7:37 PM

P.S. Be sure to say “hi” to Huck for me!

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Maybe Palin can join the Little Rockers. She has nothing else to do besides Greta or Hannity’s shows.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Maybe Palin can join the Little Rockers. She has nothing else to do besides Greta or Hannity’s shows.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Huckabee hates Perry. I bet all it would take for Palin to secure the coveted Huck endorsement when she announces is a few cases of twinkies and a fried squirrel on a stick or two.

Kataklysmic on September 13, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Kataklysmic on September 13, 2011 at 7:42 PM

I think Mitt offered up all the fried squirrel he could ever want.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Speaking of hating. Huck used to hate his new found friend Mitt. Times change.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM

“Opting-Out” of HPV Vaccine WILL NOT WORK for Many in Texas

Governor Perry is misleading legislators and families in Texas by claiming that they will be able to “opt-out” of having their 6th grade daughter vaccinated with the vaccine for the sexually transmitted virus HPV. For many families currently, the exemption isn’t worth the piece of paper it is printed on. Besides the simple fact that parents should not have to get permission from the state to make informed consent medical decisions for their own children, here are four reasons why “opting-out” of sate mandated vaccines doesn’t work for many families in Texas:…read more…

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/txoptout.php

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Speaking of hating. Huck used to hate his new found friend Mitt. Times change. Huckabee sold out.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM

portlandon on September 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

think Mitt offered up all the fried squirrel he could ever want.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Haha. You could be right. I actually think Mitt took notes on the game that McCain and Huck ran on him in ’08 and has tried to recreate that same scenario with Bachmann as his partner. I think the initial recipient of the shenanigans was supposed to be Palin, but because she hasn’t announced yet, they decided to use it on Perry.

Kataklysmic on September 13, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Kataklysmic on September 13, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Yeah, I definitely get the impression Mitt is sweet talking the others. Newt and Cain are the only two not bounty-hunting.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM

portlandon on September 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Seems like it.

Southernblogger on September 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Why . . . and I seriously doubt Huckabee hates anyone. Seriously.

And I don’t think Palin is going to make any announcement that will affect the next election unless it is to support the GOP candidate.

Voter from WA State on September 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Huck is still pissed that Perry endorsed Giuliani over him in 2008. You must not follow the Huckster too closely if you don’t think he has a temper. He has mixed it up with Romney, Beck, and a few others.

As far as your prediction on Palin…we all have one, they all vary.

Kataklysmic on September 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Perry’s problems are just being uncovered. He has more than mandating Gardasil for which he should be concerned. I guess he thought that if Obama could be president without being vetted, he could, too. Bend over, Rick, it’s your turn.

BetseyRoss on September 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Something seemed off last night when Sarah jumped on this issue almost before the debate was over. It appears her problems with the HPV vaccine grew up in her own back yard. If she was determined to break Reagan’s commandment, she should have made sure her own closet was empty before hand.

aigle on September 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM

If she was determined to break Reagan’s commandment, she should have made sure her own closet was empty before hand.

aigle on September 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM

It was. Perrykrishnas just desperately are grasping for whatever tu quoque is handy. Just like O-bots.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM

If she was determined to break Reagan’s commandment, she should have made sure her own closet was empty before hand.

aigle on September 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM

It was. Perrykrishnas just desperately are grasping for whatever tu quoque is handy. Just like O-bots.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM

And if they don’t find one, they’ll make one up. Despicable. Reminds me of Clintonistas more than anything, come to think of it.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:25 PM

PhiKapMom on September 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Good points. I keep hearing that we have to vet the Candidates, but why is only Gov. Perry getting vetted? I guess everyone else is perfect. Very strange. You would think the Left is pushing all of these attacks.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Good points. I keep hearing that we have to vet the Candidates, but why is only Gov. Perry getting vetted?

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Because he’s the one who’s been subjected to the least scrutiny, at least among major candidates. He comes in like gangbusters, and then all of a sudden people are supposed to remain forever ignorant about who he is?

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 PM

You obviously only read the Palin threads – which would be expected from your remote tribe.

Keep those little paws digging.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

No I don’t. That’s ALL you do at this site. one of Ace’s little buttboy emissaries, I guess. Knock yourself out.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Wouldn’t contributions prior to 2007 be relevant information? Rick Perry said he raised $30 million. $15,775,168.37 of that was for the 2006 election. $14,345,102.42 was for the 2002 election. If the $30 million figure Perry cited includes more than just 2006 contributions, why then did he only mention the one $5,000 contribution from Merck in 2006 and fail to address previous donations from Merck?

Perry was being deliberately dishonest.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

No he wast, he was accused of a specific charge he gave a specific answer. No one asked Perry what the history of his donors to his political campaigns. They were given what 30 seconds to a minute for a rebuttal? You wanted him to spend the time listing Merck’s political donations to his campaign how would that answer the specific accusation? Perry wasn’t asked to list his campaign donations, no one was asked to list their campaign donations last night.

Calling Perry’s rebuttal dishonest is completely inaccurate. You aren’t the only one who watched the debates last night. All who watched got to listen to Wolf Bilitzer’s debate format rules, including time limits for answers by the debaters.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM

When the Solyndra scandal broke up, the Left reacted by saying even GWB considered a loan to Solyndra. Of course, considering a loan to Solyndra is heaps different from sanctioning a loan. Now that Perry’s mandated the Merck vaccine, Perrykrishnas are returning fire that Palin is also culpable because she accepted federal dollars without mandating it. Figures that Perrykrishnas should take a leaf out of the Left’s playbook. They are as juvenile and as vicious as the Left, not to say as mendacious.

promachus on September 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM

wasn’t

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM

It was misleading. Perry gave the impression that all he or his campaign ever got from Merck was $5k.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Gardisil has presented side effects in .005% of those who have taken the vaccination (per Rush this morning). That means out of 10M, 500 would experience some side effect, none of which was mental retardation. In fact, there is no documented case of mental retardation as a side effect of Gardisil per Hannity this afternoon.

Voter from WA State on September 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

The CDC reports “VAERS received a total of 18,727 reports of adverse events following Gardasil vaccination: 17,958 reports among females and 346 reports for males, of which 285 reports were received after the vaccine was licensed for males in October 2009″.

And that’s just within a few short years. The severe negative results of pumping new STD meds into children’s bodies likely won’t be known for a decade, e.g. reproductive issues, systemic & organic damage.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Because he’s the one who’s been subjected to the least scrutiny, at least among major candidates. He comes in like gangbusters, and then all of a sudden people are supposed to remain forever ignorant about who he is?

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Oh, well are there any websites that have the vetting info on all of the rest of the Candidates? Or any previous debates that would have the vetting information?

Thanks,

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Oh, well are there any websites that have the vetting info on all of the rest of the Candidates? Or any previous debates that would have the vetting information?

Thanks,

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Unless one’s from Texas, one knows next to nothing about Perry. Romney and Bachmann have been in the media spotlight for quite a while now. Just Google for info and media coverage over the past 4 years.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

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