Rush: Bachmann really jumped the shark on Gardasil

posted at 3:25 pm on September 13, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

After my earlier post strongly objecting to Michele Bachmann’s attempt to link the Gardasil vaccination to “mental retardation,” the response has been nearly unanimous among commenters — and as it turns out, pundits too.  The Boss Emeritus, whose rational objections to Perry’s Gardasil mandate threaten to be overwhelmed by Bachmann’s demagoguery, tries offering Bachmann some advice on how to deal with the issue in the future.  Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, concludes that while Bachmann had an otherwise strong showing in last night’s debate, she “jumped the shark” last night and today by repeatedly using an attack that Rush says deserves “shame.” 

First, Rush defends Perry to some extent on the issue, calling it a “giant distraction“:

If you want to get directly to the “jump the shark” quote and see Rush deliver it, click the image to watch:

If Bachmann’s listening, here is Michelle Malkin’s advice, in part:

After successfully highlighting Perry’s troubling abuse of executive power during last night’s debate, Michele Bachmann risks blowing it with some factually inaccurate assertions.

She’s RIGHT on the principles, wrong on some of the details.

She needs to stay on message and stick with the facts.

The Texas state legislature repealed the order (over Perry’s hysterical objections) before any girl was forcibly vaccinated.

And while individual stories of Gardasil harm may or may not be true (Bachmann cited a mother who thinks the vaccine caused mental retardation in her child while making the post-debate rounds), it’s not the primary case she should be making.

Again: Bachmann is RIGHT on the principles, but it gets dicey citing cases where individual anecdotes need to be vetted before tossing them out on TV. She came dangerously close to using the same demagogic tactics Perry employed in obstinately defending the order even after it was repealed.

The main issue for Perry’s actions were the way he attempted to impose the mandate (by executive order) and the connections to Merck, both of which are fair game. As long as critics both inside and outside the race stick to those points, it’s an effective attack.  If the debate broadens to Gardasil itself as Bachmann tried to do, Perry may not be the only governor who will have to answer questions about Gardasil itself, however.  Pajamas Media’s Bryan Preston reaches into the Wayback machine and discovers the state of Alaska cheerfully accepting federal funds in order to distribute Gardasil for free during Sarah Palin’s tenure as Governor:

The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services announced today that an increase in federal funding will make it possible for all Alaska girls ages 9 through 18 to receive Gardasil ®, the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, at no cost.

Earlier this spring, the department had said it could provide free Gardasil only to Alaska girls who met certain eligibility requirements. Since then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided additional funds for Alaska to obtain more vaccine. This boost in federal aid will enable more Alaska girls to receive Gardasil. Distribution of this vaccine to providers is just beginning, so state health officials suggest calling providers before visiting local clinics to find out if the vaccine is available.

“We are thrilled that this unanticipated funding will allow us to provide the vaccine for all eligible girls,” said Laurel Wood, Alaska’s immunization program manager. “Although we have no guarantee that this funding will be available in future years, we hope to immunize as many Alaska girls as possible while we have this unique opportunity.”

The Boss Emeritus calls this a “really, really stupid attack on Palin” in an update to the linked post above, but I’m not entirely convinced. In the same post, Michelle argues:

The point is that Perry rushed to mandate the Merck-pushed order less than 8 months after it had received FDA approval. Clinical trial and safety data was extremely limited at the time. And scientific assessments are still coming in about the long-term and synergistic effects of this and other vaccines.

If the argument is that Gardasil was not ready for large-scale usage, then it’s not just about the mandate or the connections to Merck. The same argument against the mandate also apply in this case to taxpayer funding for massive vaccinations, do they not? And in this case, it’s the taxpayers who didn’t get to decide whether they wanted 12-year-old girls injected with a supposedly questionable vaccine at their expense, for a virus that isn’t easily spread through mandated proximity such as school attendance.

It’s not a problem on the same scale as Perry’s, but it’s not an unfair question to raise, either, if Gardasil itself is the problem, as it seems it is for some Perry critics.

Update: Worth noting — Perry actually has received nearly $30,000 from Merck over the past decade. Also worth noting — that doesn’t put Merck in the top 200 of Perry’s donors during that period. Seriously.

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Eh. Perry got outted on national TV with his hand in the Merck cookie jar. When you’re handed at least $30 grand, it’s a little more than just “association” – you are a direct, benefiting party.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Since a $30 grand donation from Merck to Perry makes you squirm, let’s see how you handle this
TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Sorry, but when it’s pay to play with a CoS-lobbyist involved that does indeed make voters squirm. Except in Chicago, of course.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Ace is busy flipping the f’ out over Perry getting a little vetting done to him.

I looked over there earlier, and he has a post about the Pajamas Media thing and Palin, just flippin’ angry as hell, even seeming to imitate Tina Fey imitatin’ Palin, even down in the comments.

It is rather ugly over there, and I don’t think I’ll be around as much as I used to. The immaturity level has gone through the roof now.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Palin had no choice but to accept this money.
kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Anyone else notice that whenever something in Palin’s record pops up that could be construed as a negative towards her, someone always remarks that she was “forced” to do it?

Just like she was “forced” to quit the governorship, yeah?

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

The mask fell off Bachmann who CARES so much that she wants vaccine programs eliminated as if they are a poison.

That is the opposite of caring for children. She threw in a mental retardation risk to win her pointless point. Bachmann was born and raised in a moral family that has God so vaccines are not needed.

The big issue for Bachmann was that the girls at 12 could become sexually active without fear of a total hysterectomy or a horrible death by age 25.

Bachmann’s God wills that punishment for sexually promiscuous 12+ year olds. That is a very narrow and deadly world view!

Repent Perry! Repent!

jimw on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Respectable? I’m not all that sure. I think the entire political establishment has lost respectable long ago. I also think it can be fixed, but not until we’re able to shine some light of truth on cronyism.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Apparently you still don’t see the humor in you stating Palin “returned to private life.”

I see someone who returns to “private life” as doing just that – going back home and being, well, private.

Palin has hardly done that, though i do get your point. Still made me laugh.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM

And you seem to not understand the difference betten private life and public life. Palin’s paychecks are not coming from the taxpayers, she holds no title, no positon of public power. She is a private citizen. Now you might want her to go away and return home and never be seen again but that doesn’t mean it is the definition of private life.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Bachmann was born and raised in a moral family that has God so vaccines are not needed.

jimw on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Why do you hate God, Jim?

faraway on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

When Rick Perry joked last night that the $5,000 he had received from Merck wasn’t enough to buy him off, the line failed to charm the audience as he’d expected. Turns out, the line also significantly low-balled how much he’d received from Merck. “Merck PAC—the company’s D.C.-based political action committee—has given Perry $28,500 since 2001, according to Texas Ethics Commission filings. The bulk of that money came prior to 2007,” the Los Angeles Times reports today. Even so, that doesn’t make Merck one of Perry’s top donors: the LA Times notes that he’s received over the years donations totaling more than six figures from over 200 sources.

http://www.nationalreview.com/primary-event/277073/perry-underestimated-merck-donations-debate-katrina-trinko

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Ace is busy flipping the f’ out over Perry getting a little vetting done to him.

I looked over there earlier, and he has a post about the Pajamas Media thing and Palin, just flippin’ angry as hell, even seeming to imitate Tina Fey imitatin’ Palin, even down in the comments.

It is rather ugly over there, and I don’t think I’ll be around as much as I used to. The immaturity level has gone through the roof now.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Their boy Perry, the white knight, has taken a devastating hit, you almost has to accept their emotional reaction. So now they will try to take it out on Palin.

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM

And the reason you are such an idiot is because you think Larry Flynt is a respected person to quote in your posts. Next time I want to digest the ramblings of a porn producer I’ll be sure to ask you what he would have said.

The kool-aid drinking is coming from you. Palin’s politcal record is there for all to see. If you would rather agree with the take of a porn producer on that politcal life so be it. Ace of Clowns would be so proud of you today. Is Larry Flynt one of Ace’s goto guys also? When he is searching for a memorable quote?

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Good god, you don’t even know what I’m talking about, do you.

Go watch “The People vs. Larry Flynt”. It’s actually a pretty good movie, even if you hate Flynt. The line, which Iw as referencing, is: “Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.”

It is rather ugly over there, and I don’t think I’ll be around as much as I used to. The immaturity level has gone through the roof now.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

To throw out another quote, Ann Coulter, a few days ago: “I used to love Sarah Palin because of her enemies and I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Would anyone think that this whole story of the damaged girl who took Gardasil was given to MB by a left plant with the sob story that she would use it to jump the shark. If not then soon.

tjexcite on September 13, 2011 at 4:39 PM

MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Dunno. Did a quick google search, this is basically what turned up, along with lots of stuff from the past couple of days.

I’m also curious how big Merck is in Alaska- saw one listing for an office with 6 employees. I’m thousands of miles away from there, but I doubt if they have a large corporate office there with lobbyists running around Anchorage or Fairbanks handing out cash.

If somebody wants to do a “Palin can’t criticize Perry over Merck” piece, though, IMHO that’s the smoking gun they need to find- $ from Merck to Palin.

Otherwise, this whole equivalence argument reeks of desperation…

cs89 on September 13, 2011 at 4:39 PM

See, I thought he was more sore that TPaw got behind Romneycare.
All I do know is that other Minnesotan Bachmann must pay for stealing the thunder from TPaw.
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Bachmann is a political rarity in Minnesota, being an unabashed hardcore conservative. Pawlenty, before all his recent come to Jesus moments, is pretty much the generic Ed-type Minnesota Republican. Squishy and interchangeable with the state Dems for the most part, usually having just one issue that keeps them in the MN Rep party (e.g. being pro-life).

Pawlenty’s thing was trying to keep taxes low – which he did good at. Other than that, not much in the way of conservative creds.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Anyone else notice that whenever something in Palin’s record pops up that could be construed as a negative towards her, someone always remarks that she was “forced” to do it?

Just like she was “forced” to quit the governorship, yeah?

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

How is this negative for Palin at all? It’s not like she mandated, via executive fiat, a vaccine produced by a company employing her former chief of staff and her current chief of staff’s mother-in-law. All she did was preside over a State which, along with virtually every other state, took Federal funding to pay for voluntary vaccinations for the poor.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Jeebus, you’re as humorless as steebo.

You really do see an attack on Palin in everything, don’t you?

You do understand I’m poking fun at YOU, not Palin, right?

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Ace is busy flipping the f’ out over Perry getting a little vetting done to him.

I looked over there earlier, and he has a post about the Pajamas Media thing and Palin, just flippin’ angry as hell, even seeming to imitate Tina Fey imitatin’ Palin, even down in the comments.

It is rather ugly over there, and I don’t think I’ll be around as much as I used to. The immaturity level has gone through the roof now.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I stopped going over there after my debate with Ace in the comments over an article he wrote praising Danials and attacking Palin. He lost that debate and in a final effort to “win” he accused me of being antigay or something. It was a lame as* talking point and just showed me Ace really is a child when it comes to maturity level. all his actions since have only reaffrimed that view. Some people say he doesn’t like Palin because of woman issues. I’m not sure but his arguments in favor of his dislike for Palin are illogical at best.

the fact that they are repeated over and over by his teenbeat fans here at hotair is sad.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

To throw out another quote, Ann Coulter, a few days ago: “I used to love Sarah Palin because of her enemies and I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

This line of argument would have much more impact if we couldn’t pull up Coulter quotes intermittently since just after the 2008 election that Palin shouldn’t run in 2012….

cs89 on September 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

The land has turned into a national Starnesville.

The destruction from the very top is unabated and all day the news are about complete utter inanities.

59% of teapartiers still believe that SS is ok and is not fraudulent.

May Obama win. The land and her fools, and their progeny, deserve no less, from all sides of the political isle.

Insanity rejoice!

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Give it your best shot Sparky…

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Would anyone think that this whole story of the damaged girl who took Gardasil was given to MB by a left plant with the sob story that she would use it to jump the shark. If not then soon.

tjexcite on September 13, 2011 at 4:39 PM

No , I think MB is polling badly and she had to do everything she could, she thought she hit Perry good and then just piled on.
Who knows if there ever was someone talking to her.

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Sorry, but when it’s pay to play with a CoS-lobbyist involved that does indeed make voters squirm. Except in Chicago, of course.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Noticed you truncated my comment just above the Romney article.

You didn’t answer my question: how do you reconcile your attacks on Perry for a $30 grand donation to “crickets” on Romney for a $138 grand donation from lobbyists?

Are they bundling donations for Romney because he is their “godson”? /snark.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:18 PM

So what was she suppose to do, go back to her private life in Alaska? What is wrong with working at Fox? Have you sneered at the other candidates’ books or just her’s because it was a best seller? As for self promotion, find me a politician that doesn’t do that, it comes with the job description. You are every bit as irrational in your dislike for Gov. Palin as you accuse some of her fans of being.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 4:45 PM

You really do see an attack on Palin in everything, don’t you?

You do understand I’m poking fun at YOU, not Palin, right?

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:41 PM

your humor is childish. and what you think is funny is not. Find something funny and maybe I’ll laugh.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:46 PM

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

He’s done being courteous to Bachmann, too, thank goodness, after she tried her hardest to turn anti-vaccine hysteria into a Tea Party plank.

Well, that and he’s sick and tired of constantly being called a sexist.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 4:46 PM

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

To throw out another quote, Ann Coulter, a few days ago: “I used to love Sarah Palin because of her enemies and I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

You guys? I am an individual, not a plural.

I remember now that you are the one who set out on your pathetic sad little campaign of “revenge”, as you put it. How is that going for ya?

It really is quite revealing of how petty, childish and stupid you can be.

The fact is you’re just a jerk.

It shows most of the time, you just can’t seem to help yourself.

Given your extreme personal biases and personality dysfunctions, I am not inclined to give half a sh!t what you think about anything at all.

I think you deserve to know that.

Now, I won’t be wasting any more of my time engaging you about anything, revenge boy.

Have a nice life, if you can get one.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM

because her r ecord shows she is not for sale.

Except to Rupert Murdoch. And Harper Books. And TLC. And pretty much anyone who can afford a $100k speaking fee.

So she works for a living. Who have you sold yourself to so you can pay your rent and feed your family? Who do you work for so we can judge?

Also, the above jobs don’t require her to be making/pushing policy that will affect the citizenry, like mandating health care that a large portion of the population don’t want.

She would rather leave power then be bought off and cash in!

Fixed that for you.

Now it’s bad to make money? Or are you following Obama’s mantra of “at some point you’ve made enough money”?

Good for her. I wish we all could “cash in”.

kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Don’t come here for objectivity but rather for pure entertainment at the condition of brains in cca 2011.

Fools have it coming and they’ll deserve it all.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:48 PM

cs89 on September 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

For example, Vyce, from Dec. 2008…

But unless Palin is going to be the perpetual running mate of “moderate” Republicans who need conservative bona fides, she will need to become wiser and better read. Even Reagan didn’t run for President in his 40s. (True Obama is in his 40s, but we are not Democrats.)

Perhaps Palin’s year is 2012, but I would recommend that she take a little more time to become older and wiser. She ought to spend the next decade being a good governor, tending to her children so none of them turn out like Ron Reagan Jr., and reading everything Phyllis Schlafly, Thomas Sowell , Ronald Reagan and “Publius” have ever written. (She also might keep in mind that HUMAN EVENTS was Ronald Reagan’s favorite newspaper!)

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29995

cs89 on September 13, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Anyone else notice that whenever something in Palin’s record pops up that could be construed as a negative towards her, someone always remarks that she was “forced” to do it?

Just like she was “forced” to quit the governorship, yeah?

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

How is this negative for Palin at all? It’s not like she mandated, via executive fiat, a vaccine produced by a company employing her former chief of staff and her current chief of staff’s mother-in-law. All she did was preside over a State which, along with virtually every other state, took Federal funding to pay for voluntary vaccinations for the poor.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM

But she got at least $30,000 in a pay to play deal with Merck! Oh, no – wait, that was…..ummm…neverminddddd…

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Their boy Perry, the white knight, has taken a devastating hit, you almost has to accept their emotional reaction. So now they will try to take it out on Palin.

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Nope, we will take it out on every single candidate (save Newt and Cain who have remained gentlemen).

It’s now open season on Romney/Bachmann/Santorum and Palin!

Let’s shine the light brighter – we are going to check every one’s closets!

Some of us thought the good of the conservative movement and defeat of Obama trumped all. Apparently, Romney/Bachmann and co disagree so let’s all bloody each other.

I could care less that Obama wins.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Who knows if there ever was someone talking to her.

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Yes, there was, the voices in her head. She is pining to be Romney’s VP. She knows full well that she has no shot at the presidency.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Getting behind Palin need not – and should not – include calling her critics RINO traitors and slobs who are a disgrace to the party, members of the ruling class, and abettors of the liberal media. Oh, and sexists.

Depends on what the initial charges were. Never said that they were graceful brick throwers. That is what they do, though. Sometimes we don’t agree on the targets.

I guess we just don’t see eye-to-eye on this.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Fair enough. I have a place in my heart for brick throwers, though, even if I don’t agree with them. ;)

kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM

http://www.merck.com/responsibility/ethics-and-transparency/transparency/2010-us-corp-and-pac-political-contributions.pdf

oops! lots of R’s on this list. Cantor, Thune, and Portman to name a few…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM

because her r ecord shows she is not for sale.

Except to Rupert Murdoch. And Harper Books. And TLC. And pretty much anyone who can afford a $100k speaking fee.

So she works for a living. Who have you sold yourself to so you can pay your rent and feed your family? Who do you work for so we can judge?

Also, the above jobs don’t require her to be making/pushing policy that will affect the citizenry, like mandating health care that a large portion of the population don’t want.

She would rather leave power then be bought off and cash in!

Fixed that for you.

Now it’s bad to make money? Or are you following Obama’s mantra of “at some point you’ve made enough money”?

Good for her. I wish we all could “cash in”.

kim roy on September 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM

The perrykrishnas try to conflate corruption and crony capitalism with working for money.

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

I could care less that Obama wins.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Heck, I pray that he does.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Go watch “The People vs. Larry Flynt”. It’s actually a pretty good movie, even if you hate Flynt. The line, which Iw as referencing, is: “Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Why would I want to waste me time watching a movie about a porn producer? I think you might be on the wrong blog. I’m sure some porn sites would be interested in you love and respect for Larry. Maybe at Ace of Clowns Larry is the most quoted respected politcal figure they can come up with who knows.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Vyce, I have to call you out on that. That’s way over the top. These are your fellow conservatives, in case you’ve forgotten. Your fellow Americans, even.

Are you going to be like the liberals, who routinely deny the humanity of their “enemy”?

Would anyone in the actual or potential GOP field, anyone at all, be a worse President than Barack Obama? I find that hard to imagine.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

It’s now open season on Romney/Bachmann/Santorum and Palin!

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

I don’t know about the rest but the season has been open on Palin since 2008. Where you been?

darwin on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

…and I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Funny, I can say the same thing about Ann.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00097485&cycle=2012

little easier to read but not as comprehensive…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM

So Palin advocates for the federal government to pay for the health care vaccinations of its children but Texas kept the funding in state and mandated the vaccinations – which never happened – so state insurance, not federal dollars, would pay for it?

See how all of this stuff can be framed?

Technically correct, but without any context. Throw in a bit of disingenuousness, add a dash of hyper-active posturing and you start sounding like a Lefty.

Or an over-zealous commenter.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM

oops! lots of R’s on this list. Cantor, Thune, and Portman to name a few…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM

corruption is not a rep or dem issues. Its apolitcal class issue. in fac tit is one issue that could unify the majority of america against.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Ed do you have a link to show where Governor Palin mandated these vaccines and the amount of donations she recieved from Merck?

Someone mentioned it earlier and I just laughed it off, but it does seem that you are smitten with Mr. Perry. A budding bromance perhaps.

I thought it was just your dislike for Rep. Bachmann, but the continued efforts to come to Governor Perry’s defense sure doesn’t come off as someone who is an impartial blogger. More like one with an agenda or a perhaps just a little crush. The latter is okay and kind of cute.

However, T-Paw will be crushed.

chief on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

The gang here have flipped me too. I might vote for Obama.

The right deserves him, fully. It’s comprised of puerile idiots.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Yep, but she never did like the Palinphobics, ever, at all.

littleguy on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I would vote for Perry, and I would vote for Palin. If either becomes the candidate of choice.

They, Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich, Romney, Huntsman, and Paul are all career politicians. Even Paul gets elected by people donating. Does that make it corrupt? With the onslaught of Obamacare, I’d love to know how many Dems recieved much larger sums from drug companies, in exchange for favors?

If this kind of thing truly bothers people, and they want purity…wouldn’t Cain be the one to choose? He’s the only candidate without a political past.

To note…I’d vote for Cain too, if he were the candidate.

I’m still holding to the mantra….Anyone…ANYONE other than Obama.

capejasmine on September 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

when will Palin go after Cantor and Issa about their cronyism?
Inquiring minds want to know…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Would anyone in the actual or potential GOP field, anyone at all, be a worse President than Barack Obama? I find that hard to imagine.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Why not ask Bachmann? Apparently, she believes Perry to be the devil incarnate despite his sharing about 95% of her platform.

She has placed the fortunes of the conservative movement secondary to her vanity run to hawk her book.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The gang here have flipped me too. I might vote for Obama.

The right deserves him, fully. It’s comprised of puerile idiots.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

It might seem that way, but people who post on blogs are actually a very tiny minority of conservatives, and people who blog are a tinier one still.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I could care less that Obama wins.
TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Yeah, that’ll work as a Perry bumper sticker.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I could care less that Obama wins.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Heck, I pray that he does.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

What is this the hysterical twelve year old little girls club?

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Anyone…ANYONE other than Obama.

capejasmine on September 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Why? His destruction in an unchecked 2nd term might be the best hope for the land. It might either cause an uprisind or the actual creation of a viable 3rd party.

It is obvious that the right is as crazy and culpable as the left. There is no more difference btw. the Kos and the rightie latrines.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Why not ask Bachmann?

Umm, ’cause I was asking Vyce? :-)

Apparently, she believes Perry to be the devil incarnate despite his sharing about 95% of her platform.

She has placed the fortunes of the conservative movement secondary to her vanity run to hawk her book.

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I think what she did was very unwise and will almost certainly cost her this Presidential nomination and maybe any future one, too.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM

What is this the hysterical twelve year old little girls club?

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

You might be a girl and 12, I’m not and I’m older.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM

If the argument is that Gardasil was not ready for large-scale usage

That’s not the argument, except for those wanting to cover for Perry with a “look over there!” sort of thing.

The palinistas have gotten to him. Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

The thing is, he’s driving away so many people that no one will know it except for his little cadre of anti-Palin ‘bot overgrown adolescents.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM

your humor is childish. and what you think is funny is not. Find something funny and maybe I’ll laugh.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 4:46 PM

You still don’t get it!? Man, you cannot be this dense.

I was making fun, laughing at what YOU wrote, NOT Palin. I’m STILL laughing at YOU since you STILL think I’m attacking Palin when I’m clearly laughing at you? My comments weren’t intended to get you to laugh but to let you know your ridiculousness made ME laugh.

Dude, you need a break or a smoke or a drink or something.

Still making me laugh! Man, I’m wiping away a tear right now I swear…

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Understating the Merck contributions is going to leave a mark. I’m glad I didn’t go all in for tricky Rick.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Inquiring minds want to know…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Each one has to be named specifically to soothe your “inquiring” mind?

littleguy on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

It might seem that way, but people who post on blogs are actually a very tiny minority of conservatives, and people who blog are a tinier one still.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Good Lady, it’s a perfect microcosm of the rest of the country, which is either too busy working, or too busy not caring. This is actually a pretty good indicator of the national insanity of the moment.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Thankfully. Now he can be as nasty to you guys as you truly deserve. Been waiting for that.

To throw out another quote, Ann Coulter, a few days ago: “I used to love Sarah Palin because of her enemies and I’m starting to dislike her because of her fans.”

Vyce on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

yes I have been waiting for that too i have grown tired of Ace’s pretend support and the i love Palin but arguments him and people like him like ANN have used to bash Palin for the last three years. Ace allowed his mask to slip and go full on attack against Palin and her supporters. He has done that because he and ANN mistaenly believe they have the numbers on their side. I am glad for once that these idiots like Ace and ANN are finally showing their true colors and now the battle can be waged. I don’t see good things happening fro ACe of clowns over this. rush and Levin and Hannity are smart enough to understand you don’t pis* off large sections of your viewership. Hell even Ed and Allah understand this concept. I look for ACe of Clowns to go into LGF orbit soon.

Maybe for once you immature losers will understand you and the other fanbozy that worship Ace of clowns are a small minority

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:00 PM

It makes me horribly sad to see how far we have fallen. The fighting amongst our own party it hitting new lows. Newt tried to warn the media that they could not create fighting between the gop candidates. But the media outsmarted our candidates and created major rifts. Bachmann looked unhinged last night. But if she is the nominee I would still vote for her. I still believe anyone but Obama is better for America. Ok .. well maybe not Paul :)

maables on September 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Vyce, I have to call you out on that. That’s way over the top. These are your fellow conservatives, in case you’ve forgotten. Your fellow Americans, even.

Are you going to be like the liberals, who routinely deny the humanity of their “enemy”?

Would anyone in the actual or potential GOP field, anyone at all, be a worse President than Barack Obama? I find that hard to imagine.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Vyce, like Bradky, is a moderate. AKA a “squish”. And like all such, they reserve their vitriol for conservatives. Liberals who don’t have the guts to admit it.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

What is this the hysterical twelve year old little girls club?

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Sure looks that way…LOL

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Sure looks that way…LOL

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Says the girlie of them all.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM

What is this the hysterical twelve year old little girls club?

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Pray for Merck to find a cure…

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Pray for Merck to find a cure…

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Pray for your land, your family and yourself. You’ll need it soon.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Says the girlie of them all.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Says the obama girl…

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Let’s shine the light brighter – we are going to check every one’s closets!

TheRightMan on September 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Now you’re talking sense. People who want to represent me and who want my vote better be prepared to be vetted. That means explaining and owning up to mistakes. That means being held accountable for their past decisions.

We know the content of several thousand e-mails of someone who so far hasn’t even announced yet.

Let’s take a good, hard look at ALL of our candidates, and while we’re at it, Obama too.

Why should anyone just get a free pass?

It’s called a primary.

And if someone’s too dumb to know to quit when they’re ahead, that’s a bit of self-vetting that also helps to thin the field.

DrAllecon on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Well, that and he’s sick and tired of constantly being called a sexist.

KingGold on September 13, 2011 at 4:46 PM

So Ace decides to go full frontal attack on the two women candidates and wonders why people might see him as a sexist? go figure.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Vyce, like Bradky, is a moderate. AKA a “squish”. And like all such, they reserve their vitriol for conservatives. Liberals who don’t have the guts to admit it.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

And a fellow American, and a fellow human being.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Geeky whippersnappers. God bless ‘em. Pixels on a screen never killed anyone.

mike_NC9 on September 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM

It might seem that way, but people who post on blogs are actually a very tiny minority of conservatives, and people who blog are a tinier one still.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Good Lady, it’s a perfect microcosm of the rest of the country, which is either too busy working, or too busy not caring. This is actually a pretty good indicator of the national insanity of the moment.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I gotta go with Mary – commenters on Hot Air mean as much in national real life as Kos commenters. Not much of a microcosm of anything, just some people talkin’.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Pray for Merck to find a cure…

the_nile on September 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM

If they do I might support a mandated inoculation in that case.

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM

You’ve been way smarter over the years.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2011 at 5:08 PM

It is rather ugly over there, and I don’t think I’ll be around as much as I used to. The immaturity level has gone through the roof now.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Oh, please come back.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Dude, you need a break or a smoke or a drink or something.

Still making me laugh! Man, I’m wiping away a tear right now I swear…

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

and you still double down. Your “joke” was made on a false premise. You are the one that looked stupid. Maybe you just don’t understand humor. i suggest you read some calvin and hoobs.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Ed do you have a link to show where Governor Palin mandated these vaccines and the amount of donations she recieved from Merck?

Someone mentioned it earlier and I just laughed it off, but it does seem that you are smitten with Mr. Perry. A budding bromance perhaps.

I thought it was just your dislike for Rep. Bachmann, but the continued efforts to come to Governor Perry’s defense sure doesn’t come off as someone who is an impartial blogger.

chief on September 13, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I’d have to agree. Sometimes I have to wonder why the Perry campaign bothered to put up a website when they could’ve just directed everyone here. Tack on a little “donate to Rick” CGI script and away you go.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

on the two women candidates…

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Who are the two woman candidates?

I know Bachmann is, but the other?

Herr Doktor? No – Huntsman. Gotta be Huntsman.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

So Ace decides to go full frontal attack on the two women candidates and wonders why people might see him as a sexist? go figure.
unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Even separating it from the context at hand, Ace has become a tad too unhinged. Not good to go off the obsessive deep end on any topic if you want to be taken as a serious blogger.

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:10 PM

So Ace decides to go full frontal attack on the two women candidates and wonders why people might see him as a sexist? go figure.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM

That must be it.

Forget the fact that they’re both weapons grade stupid. It must be because he hates woman.

Has to be.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Vyce, like Bradky, is a moderate. AKA a “squish”. And like all such, they reserve their vitriol for conservatives. Liberals who don’t have the guts to admit it.

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

That’s why I posted a list of all recipients D&R. Yep that’s real vitriol for conservatives…
But if your girl is going to play the game of calling out cronyism she should at least be intellectually honest about it…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Tack on a little “donate to Rick” CGI script and away you go.
ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I hate CGI scripts, too clumsy. But a link to Merck’s site would be okay, they can give him his cut ;^)

whatcat on September 13, 2011 at 5:12 PM

For those who are confused:

What vaccination did Perry mandate? Answer – Gardisal
What vaccination did Palin NOT mandate – Answer – Gardisal

What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Perry? Answer – $30,000.00 (known at this time)
What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Palin? Answer – zero

What is the real backstory of Palin’s involvement in the
Gardisal debate? She, as governor, accepted federal dollars
to help families who wanted the vaccination help pay for the
$360.00 cost. She was not lobbied by Merck (she saw no lobbyists
in her office), she accepted no campaign contributions from
Merck and she did not mandate that little girls had to get this
series of vaccinations.

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Forget the fact that they’re both weapons grade stupid. It must be because he hates woman.

Has to be.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Do you really think that both Bachmann and Palin are stupid? Even though Bachmann is wrong about Gardasil, I don’t think that makes her stupid. I don’t think Palin’s neologisms are proof that she’s stupid, either.

The Guam-tipping-over guy is my benchmark for a stupid pol. :-)

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

That must be it.

Forget the fact that they’re both weapons grade stupid. It must be because he hates woman.

Has to be.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Are you sure you want to start hurling accusations of stupidity.


Writing Analysts Claim Palin Writes ‘Better Than Most Educated Americans’

Rick Perry’s College Transcript: A Lot Of Cs And Ds

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

when will Palin go after Cantor and Issa about their cronyism?
Inquiring minds want to know…

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM

You must have missed her speech in Ia she went after both parties. I doubt she will call out individual people without cause.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM

It’s not like this issue was some big secret. Sure, people outside of Texas didn’t know much about it, but it was there for everyone to read about if they were interested. I think what people are slowly discovering about Perry is that he has some positions that a lot of conservatives will find objectionable, but more importantly, he’s a dude who sticks to his guns(no 2nd amendment pun intended). It’s frankly a welcome change from Obama who was more than happy to be the blank slate in 2008 in order to please everyone, but I suppose some folks prefer being pandered(i.e. lied) to.

Doughboy on September 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Obama sticks to his guns too. That is how we got in this mess;
circumvetting the will of the people almost daily in Obama’s
thug administration.

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Are you sure you want to start hurling accusations of stupidity.

Writing Analysts Claim Palin Writes ‘Better Than Most Educated Americans’

Rick Perry’s College Transcript: A Lot Of Cs And Ds

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Yeah, I do.

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are weapons grade stupid. Spam as many links as you want, sparky.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

What was the amount of the drug manufacturer, Merck, campaign
contributions to Palin? Answer – zero

Actually they contributed to McCain-Palin in 2008

Bradky on September 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

You-Eh-Vee, do you really think that both Bachmann and Palin are stupid? Even though Bachmann is wrong about Gardasil, I don’t think that makes her stupid. I don’t think Palin’s neologisms are proof that she’s stupid, either.

The Guam-tipping-over guy is my benchmark for a stupid pol. :-)

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:19 PM

That must be it.

Forget the fact that they’re both weapons grade stupid. It must be because he hates woman.

Has to be.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Since neither are really stupid, I guess you’re right. Has to be.

littleguy on September 13, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Ack! Accidentally quoted myself. Sorry! Purview is my fiend.

Mary in LA on September 13, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Your “joke” was made on a false premise. You are the one that looked stupid. Maybe you just don’t understand humor. i suggest you read some calvin and hoobs.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Nah. I never told a joke. I said what you wrote made me laugh. Unless you intended your comment to be a joke…

As to what I said: You said Palin had returned to “private life”, when she clearly has not. We differ on our definition of what that means, obviously. Then you said she was a private citizen, to which I agreed. Even when I explained it, you still didn’t get it.

Unless you believe her bus tour, her tv series, her book, her tv and radio appearances, her FOX gig, constitute a “private life”. Words mean things. You could have said personal life, but you didn’t. Saying that in the context of your original comment is what got me going. But your insistence that I’m somehow attacking Palin and not you is what’s really keeping me smiling.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Are you sure you want to start hurling accusations of stupidity.

Writing Analysts Claim Palin Writes ‘Better Than Most Educated Americans’

Rick Perry’s College Transcript: A Lot Of Cs And Ds

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

You Eh Vee is one of Ace’s buttboys? LOL That explains a lot. Anyway, yeah, Perry’s the sharpest one around, of course. “Ah may not be a smaht may-un, but ah know what Ace lahks…”

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Forget the fact that they’re both weapons grade stupid. It must be because he hates woman.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

that narrative was destroyed with those 24,000 emails. anyone that still believes Palin is “weapons grade stupid” are willfully disregarding the facts.

unseen on September 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM

What’s scary is that you are completely serious with that comment.

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Yeah, I do.

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are weapons grade stupid. Spam as many links as you want, sparky.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

No, they’re not (although Bachmann sure has a track record of saying questionable things). Neither is Rick Perry.

P.S It’s not spamming anything if the links speak directly to the point that was raised. You said Palin is weapons-grade stupid. I provided evidence that she possesses an above-average intellect. I included the link about Perry’s poor college grades to show that two can play at your insult game, if they are so inclined.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

You Eh Vee is one of Ace’s buttboys? LOL That explains a lot. Anyway, yeah, Perry’s the sharpest one around, of course. “Ah may not be a smaht may-un, but ah know what Ace lahks…”

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Buttboy? Perry’s the sharpest one?

Keep on digging like good little nistas. It’s what you do best.

You-Eh-Vee on September 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

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