Open thread: The NY-9 and NV-2 special elections; Update: AP calls it for Turner; Update: AP calls it for Amodei

posted at 8:35 pm on September 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Polls close at 9 p.m. ET in New York and 10 p.m. ET in Nevada. PPP surveyed the latter race in just the past few days and predicts a double-digit win for Republican Mark Amodei. McCain barely won the district three years ago but thanks in part to a breezy 33/59 approval rating for Obama, this is now a walkover for the GOP.

The suspense is in New York. In one corner: Republican Bob Turner, who leads by six points in not one but two recent polls. That’s encouraging, as is the fact that the White House is already pre-spinning an expected defeat, but that margin is by no means a guarantee of victory in a special election. In the other corner: A guy who received a kiss-of-death endorsement this morning from Anthony Weiner; who can’t vote for himself today because he doesn’t live in the district — and has no plans to relocate if he wins; and whose secret weapon on the trail appears to be Bowser from Sha Na Na. There’s one simple question here. If Turner holds on, how much national significance does this victory have? Don’t the local quirks — chiefly a heavy Orthodox Jewish presence that’s placed special emphasis on gay marriage and the White House’s policy towards Israel — mean that this election is sui generis?

Says Nate Silver, maybe not:

A study by David Smith and Thomas L. Brunell on special elections to the House since 1900 finds that they do anticipate general election results to some extent: there is a modest, but statistically significant, correlation between how many seats change hands during special elections and which party does best in the next midterms.

The connection does not always work. In advance of the 2010 elections, Democrats won seven of the nine special elections to the House, with an even score as far as seats changing parties. (Democrats lost Hawaii’s First Congressional District to Republicans, but won New York’s 23rd, both under somewhat unusual circumstances with multicandidate fields.) Then they lost 63 seats in November…

But that assumes that parties are as cool-headed about the results as we’re attempting to be here. And they aren’t. A loss in New York’s Ninth District, after a rough couple of months for Democrats, will only worsen their morale. It could discourage other Democrats from running.

And it could affect campaign strategy in other races. Republicans might conclude that Israel is a vulnerability for Mr. Obama, for instance, and make it a bigger part of their campaigns. That may or may not be a good strategy for them — but it could affect the landscape of the campaign all the same.

In fact, state Democrats have already found the silver lining in a likely Weprin loss: It’ll be a “wake-up call” to Obama to change his policies before the party gets wiped out across the board next year. That makes sense superficially — Obama’s approval rating in the district is 36/52 — but what it means in practice, I have no idea. If in fact the district is a quirky outlier and not representative of mainstream Democratic opinion, which way is O supposed to shift policy-wise? Right, to pander to the more conservative Democrats of NY-9, or left, to pander to the base that’s not really in action tonight?

Here are the AP’s live results pages for NY-9 and NV-2, respectively. Exit question: Humpbot cameo if Turner wins?

Update: Benchmarks via Sean Trende:

In ’08, Weiner carried Brooklyn portion of NY9 52/48. Queens = 65/35. Queens = 70% total vote.There’s your benchmarks.

Update: More benchmarks via Nate Silver:

NY09 over/under line: Weprin (D) would need about 54% of the votes in Queens precincts, 42% in Brooklyn precincts, to tie Turner (R)

Update: With roughly 60 percent reporting, Turner leads by six as I write this — but there are almost 100 precincts still to come in from his stronghold in Brooklyn, so the margin’s bound to increase. At a minute before midnight on the east coast, the AP’s seen enough. Turner wins. The lede: “Republicans have scored an upset victory in a New York City House race that became a referendum on President Barack Obama’s economic policies.”

I should wait to do this until the race is called for Amodei in Nevada too, but with roughly 40 percent reporting, he’s out to an honest-to-goodness 20-point lead. We’ve seen enough there too, I think. Release the ‘bot.


Robot libido by sabotage

Update: Get out your broom. It’s over in Nevada too.


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Don’t vote for me, vote for my big BULGE?

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

16 oz or less.
Banned!

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Why wouldn’t he? He’s burnished his degenerate credentials.

forest on March 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Ted Kennedy murdered Mary Jo and survived politically. Where there is a Weiner there is a way.

BHO Jonestown on March 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

It was all the polling that got Weiner into this mess.

Chuck Schick on March 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public.

deimos on March 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Er, is Anthony Weiner planning a political comeback?

Huh?

Why would he even, er, expose himself to the inevitable ridicule?

itsnotaboutme on March 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Sanford-Weiner 2016!

HitNRun on March 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Ween

Philly on March 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Why not? Mark Sanford is attempting a comeback too, and I’d argue his fall from grace was far worse.

rbj on March 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Ya can’t keep that Weiner down!

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Put a fork in it..

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I almost wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks he could somehow manage to turn his very public demonstration of mind-blowingly awful judgment, pathological lying, and straight-up lewd creepiness into some sort of political asset. Woof.

Weiner and Sanford, two peas in a pod.

Stoic Patriot on March 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I have to say that was the best political flame out I ever saw.

NeoKong on March 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

This slob is endemic of what’s wrong with our country and culture.

There once was a time when a clear moral failing meant you hid your head in shame and at best, when you did show yourself again, you came out of hiding to say “I’m sorry” for the ten thousandth time.

Ever since Clinton and Lewinski it’s been “Yeah I did it, so what.”

Being from New York I guarantee there’s enough idiots registered to put this idiot back on the “public service” gravy train.

ironbill on March 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Being from New York I guarantee there’s enough idiots registered to put this idiot back on the “public service” gravy train.

ironbill on March 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I don’t know, New Yorkers hate freedom, it will be hard to out-ban Bannburg.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM

The dude got caught sending pictures of his “bulge” to teenagers. Even if your terrorist-supporting spouse has an inside voice at the White House that should be disqualifying. Right? Please tell me I’m right.

It would be interesting to know exactly what these polls asked.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Weiner and Sanford, two peas in a pod.

Stoic Patriot on March 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

No. Weiner was soliciting children. Sanford is a creep but kept it legal. They are peas in the same zip code but not the same pod.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I don’t know, New Yorkers hate freedom, it will be hard to out-ban Bannburg.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Nannyberg is finally term limited out. He rigged it last time so he could get another term. Cost him a couple million $ and he just squeezed it out, but that’s it for him. The frontrunner is city Council Speaker Christine Quinn, a radical lesbian who’s running on a platform of mandatory paid sick days for any employer doing business in NYC (imagine how that would work if you owned a small business)

ironbill on March 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Why not? Mark Sanford is attempting a comeback too, and I’d argue his fall from grace was far worse.

rbj on March 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM

How so?

Both Weiner and Sanford were married.

Sanford essentially dumped his family obligations to pursue the object of his attraction which, apparently he intends to marry. His wife left him.

Weiner sent pictures of his crotch to everybody when the target was a teenager he was trying to attract but had never met. His terrorist-loving spouse stuck by him.

Please explain why Sanford’s fall from grace was worse.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

i think you’re all jealous of his looks.

GhoulAid on March 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

No. Weiner was soliciting children. Sanford is a creep but kept it legal. They are peas in the same zip code but not the same pod.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Isn’t it amazing?

A member of the House of Representatives sends a photograph of himself in a state of arousal to a teenager and for so many (meaning Liberals) there’s no outrage, no “go away,” no banishment forever.

Instead it’s “he cares about our issues and concerns.”

ironbill on March 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Here’s how it happened:
Hillary: Your man should make a comeback.
Huma: Really? How can he? I mean the shame!
Hillary: (scoffing) Shame? The man has Balls! We all saw the bulge!
Huma: Indeed!

kooly on March 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM

If he has to feed at the public trough he must not be able to find a job in the real world.

obladioblada on March 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Hey, why not? His dirty laundry has already been hung out to dry.

Scotsman on March 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Instead it’s “he cares about our issues and concerns.”

ironbill on March 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

After the war on women meme for 2012 and Ms. Fluke, it should be obvious women only care about their lady parts.

Anthony does too.

WryTrvllr on March 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I wonder if he’ll get the Sptizer endorsement?

diogenes on March 16, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The “Er” in the headline would better read “Ew.”

Drained Brain on March 16, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Wiener coming out and in again? Hmm, what’s not to like…

Archivarix on March 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

You know, I think the next time NYC suffers a horrific terrorist attack a collective “meh” from the red states might be in order.

Yeah, that’s how sick of blue state politics I am.

M240H on March 16, 2013 at 8:26 PM

To lefties it only matters if you vote the correct way. Personal character is irrelevant unless it makes the party look bad with independents. He could easily make a comeback in NY.

Fenris on March 16, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Andrew Cuomo did a lot of damage to our economic with his policies at HUD (pumping money into ‘home loans for loan income’ people – and he’s now governer of New York.

I have to say, the fact that he wasn’t held accountable is very disheartening to me as an American – it tells me our future is to have our lives run by these reprehensable, holier than thou, power hungry, ethically challenged politians. And the people just don’t care.

LilyBart on March 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Anyone who votes for this tool will deserve whatever governance they get.

hpk1942 on March 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Would he really pull such a boner?

CW on March 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

If Sanford is able to bring it off, then so ought Weiner.

Clinton proved to us that when the poll is large, the sleaze factor is small.

unclesmrgol on March 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The second coming of Anthony Weiner.

(a tad premature, but what goes around, comes around)

WryTrvllr on March 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Why? Is he running in the next erection?

The Rogue Tomato on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I’m sure an excited Weiner will be doing a lot of polling before he inserts himself into the race.

hepcat on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Weiner!

I just like to yell that.

juliesa on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Why? Is he running in the next erection?

The Rogue Tomato on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

…he wants to twitter Weiner

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2013 at 9:26 PM

He should have no problem winning. Lots of young women recognize his handiwork.

WryTrvllr on March 16, 2013 at 9:32 PM

More Weiner! More Weiner!

OxyCon on March 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

If Democrat Anthony Weiner does run we will see how low the Communist styled Democrat Party has sunk.

Just when we thought they could not get any lower…

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Since Teddy did there is no reason that Mother Teresa Weiner can’t. He didn’t leave a dead girl in the river or anything.

Limerick on March 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Weiner!

juliesa on March 16, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Since Teddy did there is no reason that Mother Teresa Weiner can’t. He didn’t leave a dead girl in the river or anything.

Limerick on March 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM

There once was a bridge nigh Nantucket
Cross which Ted could not carry his bucket
He said with a sneer
as he dried his veneer
Should they pin this on me I shall duck it.

WryTrvllr on March 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Weiner’s surreal, and oddly self-congratulatory, “Bye Bye Pervert!” resignation speech at the community center was exhibit A in the sickness that is politics. After all the lies and perversions exposed on a national stage, a sane scumbag would have avoided the press, and issued a press release. Weiner decided a speech which sounded part Miss America acceptance speech, part Garrison Keiler monologue was the way to go. I hate these people.

Kungfoochimp on March 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

iPhone pix or it doesn’t happen.

chimney sweep on March 17, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Ween

Philly on March 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Push the Daisies.

/hope I’m not nerding myself

Ugly on March 17, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Butt-Head of Beavis and Butt-Head says, “Huh huh huh…You said ‘Weiner’.”

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2013 at 5:47 AM

If he does run, he’d have to bring a whole boat load of chutzpa.

Kissmygrits on March 17, 2013 at 8:22 AM

And why wouldn’t he think that in today’s America? Is it different from the upcoming Ashley Judd “vote for me, I’ll show you my t*ts” campaign, which also may just work?

Dirty Creature on March 17, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Weiner~Holder 2016

DevilsPrinciple on March 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Ted Kennedy murdered Mary Jo and survived politically. Where there is a Weiner there is a way.

BHO Jonestown on March 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

His opponents did not make huge posters of Mary Jo and plaster them around or make anonymous youtube dramatizations of the event either. Look, the socialists play vulgar knuckleball and are filthy street fighters. Politics is not sport for affable country club idiots. You want to win? You follow Malone’s advice to Ness.

That’s how Kennedy won.

I see huge posters of Weiner in his underwear everywhere. Didn’t he send that to a high school girl?

dogsoldier on March 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

We are lacking leadership everywhere we see in politics. Sanford and Weiner. Not exactly great leaders in any sense of the word.

BetseyRoss on March 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I guess his career in underwear fashion didn’t pan out…

zoyclem on March 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Put a fork in it..

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggghhhh ! ! ! ! ! !

O U C H !
.
I was laughing at everything, till I got to that . . . . .

I swear … I can actually feel it.

Don’t do that again, E-god … : (

listens2glenn on March 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM

The chances Weiner can get elected again as a Democrat are very good.

Nobody expects even classy behavior from them, never mind moral or legal rectitude.

It is surprising he could not have “got an extra life” by doing a prayer-breakfast with the hypocritical reverend Jackson. Why did he resign? Did his voters not know he was (literally) a putz?

If Charles Schumer ever moves on, this grinning oaf could fill his spot very comfortably.

virgo on March 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Comeback? What makes you think he ever went away?

Gordy on March 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Let me guess, Weiner’s campaign slogan will be “Vote for the Stand-Up Guy!”

As to Ted Kennedy (mentioned above), he disappointed us all by never carrying out his promise that “I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on March 17, 2013 at 8:12 PM

It’s Weinerific!!

Ghost of John Brown on March 17, 2013 at 10:06 PM