Bachmann: Gardasil causes “mental retardation”

posted at 10:45 am on September 13, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today, I noted that Michele Bachmann finally scored points on Rick Perry by hitting him on his ties to Merck and linking that to the Gardasil mandate Perry imposed through executive order in Texas. This is a fair point on Perry’s record, even given his apology for pursuing the mandate through EO instead of through the legislature, and it’s not surprising that Bachmann was the candidate to first take advantage of the opening. (Mitt Romney passed a mandate on health insurance for all citizens of Massachusetts, which pretty much puts this issue out of reach for him.) However, Bachmann took a winning argument about the method and the wisdom of mandating a vaccination for a limited-spread virus and turned it into an anti-vaccination argument, especially in this post-debate argument on Fox with Greta van Susteren (via The Right Scoop):

There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine.

Huh? “Mental retardation” typically takes place in a pre- or neo-natal event. Autism becomes apparent in the first couple of years of life — and primarily affects boys. Gardasil vaccinations take place among girls between 9-12 years of age. Even assuming that this anecdote is arguably true, it wouldn’t be either “mental retardation” or autism, but brain damage.

The FDA has received no reports of brain damage as a result of HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix.  Among the reports that correlate seriously adverse reactions to either, the FDA lists blood clots, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and 68 deaths during the entire run of the drugs.  The FDA found no causal connection to any of these serious adverse events and found plenty of contributing factors to all — and all of the events are exceedingly rare.

The “mental retardation” argument is a rehash of the thoroughly discredited notion that vaccines containing thimerasol caused a rapid increase in diagnosed autism cases.  That started with a badly-botched report in Lancet that allowed one researcher to manipulate a ridiculously small sample of twelve cases in order to reach far-sweeping conclusions about thimerasol.  That preservative hasn’t been included in vaccines for years, at least not in the US, and the rate of autism diagnoses remain unchanged.

The most charitable analysis that can be offered in this case for Bachmann is that she got duped into repeating a vaccine-scare urban legend on national television.  It looks more like Bachmann sensed that she had won a point and wanted to go in for the kill, didn’t bother to check the facts, and didn’t care that she was stoking an anti-vaccination paranoid conspiracy theory, either.  Neither shines a particularly favorable light on Bachmann.

Rick Santorum took the correct position on the Gardasil issue.  We mandate certain vaccines in children because we mandate children be gathered for educational purposes for many years (in private or public schools), and certain diseases are easily communicable in those settings.  By mandating vaccinations against whooping cough, measles, and mumps, we are protecting children who would otherwise get exposed without any action on their part except compliance with the law.  That’s not true with HPV, and parents should decide for themselves whether to inoculate their sons and daughters with Gardasil or Cervarix.  If Perry wanted to make those inoculations more accessible, he could have crafted an opt-in system rather than forcing parents to opt out.

Update: Politico’s Ben Smith notes that Bachmann’s statement is getting some pushback in the health sector:

The alleged link between vaccination and mental disabilities — autism is the one frequently cited — has been repeatedly debunked, with the key research on the issue in a British journal withdrawn years ago. But the theory has lived on, and contributed to declining vaccine rates and — advocates for autistic children say — scientific distraction.

“Congresswoman Bachmann’s decision to spread fear of vaccines is dangerous and irresponsible,” said Evan Siegfried, a spokesman for the Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership. “There is zero credible scientific evidence that vaccines cause mental retardation or autism. She should cease trying to foment fear in order to advance her political agenda.”

“Irresponsible” is correct, and a bad tactical error, too.  Instead of highlighting Perry’s faulty actions in Texas, she made herself and (at best) her ignorance on the matter the story.

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Bishop on September 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Finally thanks Ed., this should be in front of everyone’s face.

Who is really exploiting little girls for money? I got a solicitation for a campaign donation using the Gardasil issue in my email in box last night after the Greta appearance on FNC.

Opportunist much Michelle?

35 million Americans have already gotten the Gardasil vaccine.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Glad to see you on this thread!! I just asked on a post if anyone had received an email from Bachmann.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Nuff said.

Shay on September 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I listened to the exchange bewtween SP and Greta.
Like MB… Palin was playing dirty pool by suggesting that the Gardasil EO was quid pro quo. Shameful.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM

I’m still furious about both MB and SP backing her without proof. I most likely posted 10 comments on this last night, LOL

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

not that it matters to the rabid ‘nistas

http://tinyurl.com/6aee6l4

chasdal on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Remember when this thread was about Bachmann?

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

I would expect Palin to be above that garbage-instead she helped strengthen the DNC talking points against Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

I would expect Palin to be above that garbage-instead she helped strengthen the DNC talking points against Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

I don’t think so. It depends on whether or not what she understood Bachmann’s attacks were have merit.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Cheney was a puppet for Haliburton…you all don’t remember that?

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I would expect Palin to be above that garbage-instead she helped strengthen the DNC talking points against Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

She did him a favor. The left can’t blindside him now with it.

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I do mind if a governor tells me I have to get my 11 year old vaccinated against my wishes or accuses me of sacrificing lives on the altar of political expedience…There is a huge difference even if you don’t want to see it.

pannw on September 13, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Ok, so you oppose the MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine as well? Or is it just this one mandated vaccine which is inappropriate and wrong to suggest; while all the other ones that are mandated are ok?

gekkobear on September 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Bachmann is toast. Party over, sista. She crossed the line on this one.

Oh, btw, it is VERY easy to opt out of vaccines in Texas. One only has to fill out a simple form, sign it and turn it in to the school nurse. Done.

Anyway, back to Bachmann. She makes conservatives sound like anti-vaccine zealots, which most of us certainly are not.

pullingmyhairout on September 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Texas is one of 20 states regarding Gardisil…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Just imagine what would happen if a Palin supporter had invented out of whole cloth a tweet by Rick Perry just to make him look bad.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM

She already apologized for that tweet mix up and the post here on the blog.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Palin was right about Perry’s crony capitalism….

Perry Underestimated Merck Donations in Debate

When Rick Perry joked last night that the $5,000 he had received from Merck wasn’t enough to buy him off, the line failed to charm the audience as he’d expected. Turns out, the line also significantly low-balled how much he’d received from Merck. “Merck PAC—the company’s D.C.-based political action committee—has given Perry $28,500 since 2001, according to Texas Ethics Commission filings. The bulk of that money came prior to 2007,” the Los Angeles Times reports today. Even so, that doesn’t make Merck one of Perry’s top donors: the LA Times notes that he’s received over the years donations totaling more than six figures from over 200 sources.

http://www.nationalreview.com/primary-event/277073/perry-underestimated-merck-donations-debate-katrina-trinko

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Texas is one of 20 states regarding Gardisil…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM

One of 20 states WHAT regarding Gardasil?

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Remember when this thread was about Bachmann?

catmman on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Good times, good times.

fossten on September 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM

I would expect Palin to be above that garbage-instead she helped strengthen the DNC talking points against Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Perry’s own record has strengthened the talking points against Perry. In fact, it is the origin of those talking points.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Well, wasn’t it?

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM

For 5 grand? As Perry said last night-he’s insulted by MB’s suggestion that he can be bought off for only 5 grand.
As I said. MB and Palin’s comments were shameful.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I agree of course. If that’s all it takes, I’ll send Gov. Perry 5 grand and get an interview. He won’t even have to issue an EO, ROFL

Bachmann is just sleazy and now she’s jumped the shark!!

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:35 PM

not that it matters to the rabid ‘nistas

The HPV files: In emails, Perry mostly absent

chasdal on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM

You forgot to read the update. The whole time I was reading the article I was thinking that Ben Smith must not know the policy of destroying emails in Texas.

UPDATE: Given Perry’s policy of deleting email every seven days, it’s difficult to tell if this is a complete archive, and indeed whether Perry sent more emails on the subject that were deleted.

Oh, poor little chasdal. Heh! Thought you had something to shove down the throats of those awful rabid ‘nistas.

You’re pathetic.

chief on September 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Palin was right about Perry’s crony capitalism….

Perry Underestimated Merck Donations in Debate

When Rick Perry joked last night that the $5,000 he had received from Merck wasn’t enough to buy him off, the line failed to charm the audience as he’d expected. Turns out, the line also significantly low-balled how much he’d received from Merck. “Merck PAC—the company’s D.C.-based political action committee—has given Perry $28,500 since 2001, according to Texas Ethics Commission filings. The bulk of that money came prior to 2007,” the Los Angeles Times reports today. Even so, that doesn’t make Merck one of Perry’s top donors: the LA Times notes that he’s received over the years donations totaling more than six figures from over 200 sources.

http://www.nationalreview.com/primary-event/277073/perry-underestimated-merck-donations-debate-katrina-trinko

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Are you daft?

Perry debunked the notion he could be bought, the $5,000 number is fodder for fools running with a non issue – that you are too dim to realize is hurting everyone but Perry.

Great – its now $30k in 10 years…

Show me where Perry said “I have only received $5,000 from Merck in my career”

If not stfu and stop lying.

Right now Bachmann is in “Thunderdome Mode” and Plain will respond – but will need to take time and resources to craft a sound response.

That currently trumps anything Perry needs to do. Notice even Mittens and his camp are letting this one run on their own.

Primary season is truly single elimination – not best of 7.

Too bad a few candidates just figured that out.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM

14 32 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $54,440 $45,040 $9,400

Yep Michelle took money from pharma too

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Well, wasn’t it?

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Dishonest response, considering the burden of proof is on the accuser.

fossten on September 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Right fossten. The burden of proof is on the Prosecution. Bachmann didn’t have it and Palin should not have backed her up without it.
Now Palin is going to be drawn into this deeper due to Bachmann continuing exploiting it for political gain(she thinks.) Now Bachmann is sending out emails for donations due to the gardasil issue. How despicable.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:43 PM

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Don’t become like Romney and Bachmann and continue beating a dead horse for political gain. The EO was never implemented, no child was given the vaccine by any order of Gov. Perry’s.

This happened in 2007, 4 years ago. It’s done. We have more important issues to discuss. Romney and Bachmann are playing right into the Left’s hand and using their talking points.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Obama appreciates your help:-)

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Primary season is truly single elimination – not best of 7.

Too bad a few candidates just figured that out.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I think the Minnesotans are hitching their wagons to Romney – Pawlenty endorsement and Bachmann behaving as his attack dog last in the debate. …those are auditions for VP position on a Romney ticket….yeah Romney/Pawlenty or Romney/Bachmann, I am underwhelmed.

And if they don’t carry Minnesota in the general, and we know all know what Minnesota politics is like….Obama would have something to crow about if he snatches victory from defeat in 2012.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

I used to like Bachmann, not for POTUS but as a fighter in the House then she declared for Prez and I said huh?

What a lot of us parents of children diagnosed with “regressive” autism believe is that combining 3 vaccines in one shot to save money overwhelmed the immune system of our kids and the result was brain damage or the exploitation of autistic tendencies that they may have had. It doesn’t matter anymore to me anymore what is done is done and I adore the child I have. I don’t think she is anything but a blessing.

CCRWM on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM
This isn’t directed at you.

My apology was sincere. SP agreed with MB on the Merck/crony capitalism accusation(which is still wrong)-but not on the mental retardation issue..and it wasn’t in a tweet-it was on Greta.

Mea Culpa. Mea culpa. Mea Culpa.
*flays self*
Happy now, Steebo?
///

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I had a cup of coffee and the guy next to me died, must have been the coffee.

dpierson on September 13, 2011 at 1:12 PM

ROFL, good one. Sounds about as logical as some of the comments.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Obama appreciates your help:-)

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Thank you, Captain Demagogue!

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Well that one needed more editing LOL!

We all know what Minnesota politics is like.

Bachmann, behaving as his attack dog last night during the debates.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 3:51 PM

So Bachmann is an anti-vaxxer? Somehow I’m not surprised.

Ward Cleaver on September 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM

I’m not either. I think she and her husband run some kind of medical clinic. Don’t know what all is involved.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Don’t become like Romney and Bachmann and continue beating a dead horse for political gain. The EO was never implemented, no child was given the vaccine by any order of Gov. Perry’s.

This happened in 2007, 4 years ago. It’s done. We have more important issues to discuss. Romney and Bachmann are playing right into the Left’s hand and using their talking points.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Just because it wasn’t implemented, I shouldn’t care? Despite monumental efforts on Perry’s part? I shouldn’t care that he engaged in said efforts?

What exactly is the statute of limitations on examining a candidate’s career and record?

Obama appreciates your help:-)

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

What does any of this have to do with Obama? This is about vetting our candidates, making sure we have someone we can trust who has exhibited good judgment.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Backing Bachmann’s charges against Perry that Bachmann had/has no proof of is what I think Palin should not have done.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Who says there is no proof? What is not true? Did Perry receive donations from Merck? Did his COS lobby for Merck? Did Perry issue an E.O. to mandate Gardasil? Is it not cronyism if the amount is only $28,500.00?

The Merck disclosure is but a scratch on the surface.

NoNails on September 13, 2011 at 4:01 PM

The Merck disclosure is but a scratch on the surface.

NoNails on September 13, 2011 at 4:01 PM

No that’s it – the democrats tried to make it an issue in the last election for Governor, way back in November 2010….hint, he won that race even after democrats tried to smear him with Merck…..or do you believe the democrats held back LOL!

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Big ol ouch!

NoNails on September 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Primary season is truly single elimination – not best of 7.

Too bad a few candidates just figured that out.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM
I think the Minnesotans are hitching their wagons to Romney – Pawlenty endorsement and Bachmann behaving as his attack dog last in the debate. …those are auditions for VP position on a Romney ticket….yeah Romney/Pawlenty or Romney/Bachmann, I am underwhelmed.

And if they don’t carry Minnesota in the general, and we know all know what Minnesota politics is like….Obama would have something to crow about if he snatches victory from defeat in 2012.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Agree and that scares me.

Minn Reps dictating national Rep politics is like going to Dublin for BBQ ribs… I’m not buying it.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Well, Bachmann is currently on Hannity’s radio show preaching the same thing: these “little girls” etc, etc.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Big ol ouch!

NoNails on September 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM

The Washington Post, yeah the paper of record for conservative and republican politics/

They aren’t a liberal rag or anything/

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Well, is currently on Hannity’s radio show preaching the same thing: these “little girls” etc, etc.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Is Hannity letting her get away with it or is he asking follow up questions?

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM

The Washington Post, yeah the paper of record for conservative and republican politics/

They aren’t a liberal rag or anything/

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Are the details they report accurate or do you dismiss the facts cited because you don’t like the source?

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Obama appreciates your help:-)

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Heh! WTF does that mean bluefox? Have you already coronated Perry as the GOP nominee?

Here was steebo77′s comment.

Perry’s defense of the EO and Merck cronyism basically comes down to, “but, but, but…it’s about CANCER!!!11!1″

Who else uses that defense to cover up their governmental misdeeds? I seem to recall Democrats using pretty much that same line of reasoning to defend their unconstitutional attempts to take over health insurance and socialize medicine.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

How does that help Obama? Sounds like a good comparison to me.

I think the love affair with the handsome Texan has some of his fans going overboard in his defense.

So tell me bluefox, have you or any of the other Perry fans had the chance to wash Perry’s feet with your hair yet?

Perry has faults, he has made mistakes and he will be vetted.

When I know more about Governor Perry than I do about Trig Palin then the vetting can slow down. Until then let it continue full speed ahead.

chief on September 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Agree and that scares me.

Minn Reps dictating national Rep politics is like going to Dublin for BBQ ribs… I’m not buying it.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 4:09 PM

I remember telling my father in law back in 2008 “No way we elect a politician from the Chicago political machine” I know what you mean about “scared” the American voters need to work on their geography skills:)

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Perry has faults, he has made mistakes and he will be vetted.

When I know more about Governor Perry than I do about Trig Palin then the vetting can slow down. Until then let it continue full speed ahead.

chief on September 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Thread winner!

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Boy, Bachmann is slamming Perry big time. Saying in his book he isn’t sure of the committment in taking care of the current Seniors? She’s just repeating most of the debate, post debate, etc.
The retardation of the girl she talked about. So she’s just reporting what she was told.

The parents are busy and assume that when the government tells them something it must be true. What an idiot!! So parents are stupid!!! What an insult!

She’s still pounding at Perry on everything. Who’s conservative, the “real” one, EO’s, Now she says “it’s important that we vet these Candidates” LOL, Who is this “WE”?

Hannity is not being helpful allowing her to spew this rot!!

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Are the details they report accurate or do you dismiss the facts cited because you don’t like the source?

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM

I live in Texas have for years now. I lived through the gardasil controversy, you don’t think I haven’t heard and read it all? You don’t think I wasn’t paying attention to the democrat’s claims when Perry ran for reelection for Governor of Texas.

You think that the Washington Post (A liberal paper) has anything new, I haven’t read or heard already about Perry, EO HPV mandate, Gardasil, Merck and Merck lobbyist?

He said the EO was a mistake, to mandate the HPV vaccine. I take him at his word. He’s speaking in English, he didn’t stutter. People don’t want to accept- he agrees with them, it was a mistake to use the EO to mandate the HPV vaccine. They are arguing with themselves, because Perry isn’t arguing with them.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:25 PM

So the vaccine is evil and wrong… except when Palin gets federal funding for it?

gekkobear on September 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM

I just read that PJ Tatler, but not the updates yet. Are you saying this is true? So Alaska received Federal funds for Gardasil, but didn’t mandate it? So then it’s the EO that Perry issued is the problem and not Gardasil itself?

I’ve got to finish the article. This puts a different slant on this for sure.

Thanks for posting this. Romney & Bachmann may regret making this an issue.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:26 PM

One of 20 states WHAT regarding Gardasil?

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM

With laws on the books regarding the vaccine…looks like Merc has a lot of cronies, including Palin…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Merc…Merk…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM

With laws on the books regarding the vaccine…looks like Merc has a lot of cronies, including Palin…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM

You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

/Inigo_Montoya

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

With laws on the books regarding the vaccine…looks like Merc has a lot of cronies, including Palin…

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Palin didn’t get a dime…

Perry received over $28,000…

Try harder!

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Down the Biatch!

sonnyspats1 on September 13, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Failing to check facts seems to be a reacuring problem with Bachmann.

Count to 10 on September 13, 2011 at 2:11 PM

That’s one of her problems. The other bigger one is that she wants to be President more than anything else. Her ego is only exceeded by her nastiness in my opinion. She has a problem also with the truth in my opinion.

This needs to take her down, regardless of the Super Pac she now has access to for funding. I havne’t been able to find out who is funding this Super Pac, but a hug & a kiss to Romney last night was something I hadn’t seen before.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Bachmann is an idiot. She seems nice, but she’s a buffoon who is embarrassing to the party as a whole.

TheBlueSite on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

They are arguing with themselves, because Perry isn’t arguing with them.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 4:25 PM

They, anti-Perry, are just picking up a liberal talking point and running with it.
It doesn’t matter if it is true, the extent, if it was an admitted error, it is a talking point that hurts an opponent, so they will use it…they are tools, so easily manipulated. You can see how easy Obama was elected with cultists like the ones who follow Palin, or the Tea Party cultists who follow Bachman…so easy for the libs to manipulate them.
This will be one of many, and by the time the elections roll around, the “conservatives” will be so discouraged, none of the candidates will be worth, except one, the one that Obama will easily defeat.
It is so obvious, and so effective…Gardisil is evil, all who tout it is evil, Merk and all pharms are evil, whoever took money is evil…so easy to manipulate.

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Please pardon the OT, but I’ve just read that a couple of thousand people have pledged on Facebook to march on the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan, on Thursday. A follow-up to the attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo.

KyMouse on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

People are throwing a lot of stupid statements around.

Did you even read Michelle Malkin’s thread on the discussion, that Ed posted on the other Bachmann post (the Rush Limbaugh one)? She explains it much better than I can explain it here in a couple of paragraphs, so go and read it.

But here’s my tldr; summary of this issue: Vaccines are OK. Mandates are bad. Perry created a mandate for which he apologized already. Palin received federal funds but never created any mandates regarding vaccines, nor has she received any Merck campaign money (and if she did, it’s none of anyone’s business because she didn’t create any mandates anyway).

ChristianRock on September 13, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Oh and I cancelled my subscription to Bachmann’s e-mail list… she’s proving today that she is definitely not presidential material. I say that with sadness… because I do like what she stands for. Except when she attacks a man for something he already apologized for and said he is glad it was reversed. Or when she repeats urban legends that have been debunked already.

ChristianRock on September 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

it wouldn’t be either “mental retardation” or autism, but brain damage. –Ed

This vaccine’s negative side effect includes blood clots. If the vaccine induced a blood clot that caused brain damage, the mental facility of the victim/patient would be slowed, “retarded”.

Tomato, tomahto

The point remains that Gardasil has serious and PERMANENT negative side effects that ruin a person’s autoimmune system, cause paralysis, and permanently debilitating pain.

Sharyl Attkisson asked the parents of “Amanda” who are both physicians, regretting the vaccination of their daughter, too late.

Amanda’s parents say she developed a serious reaction to Gardasil after her first dose last summer. It began with soreness where she received the injection. The soreness eventually travelled down her arm, her legs, and led to a horrible autoimmune myofasciitis that is so painful Amanda had to go on morphine for the pain.

She was transformed, through the illness, from a high school varsity sport athlete to a chronically ill person who takes a handful of pills a day just to keep her illness tolerable. When she goes off the medicine, the excruciating pain and other debilitating symptoms return.

Perry went into CYA mode hiding behind “cancer” prevention as if his pseudo “for the children” vaccination executive order need not consider the permanent REAL victims of Gardasil. For whatever potential genital wart initiator of cancer was prevented, there was a real victim of the vaccine left permanently injured.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM

But can you see a need for the vaccine to be mandated, given that HPV is not an airborne illness?

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Had I been a resident of Texas, I would have had all of the information and read what it was and why the Governor thot it was necessary to mandate it first of all. I may have agreed with him. It’s hard to say. I would have wanted to know much more than I even do now.

There are many ways to get infected from various diseases other than airborne as you must know. That would have been something I would have wanted to know. For example: Is there any way to become infected from the HPV OTHER than via sexual contact?

Normally I don’t approve of a mandate, but whether I would have been in agreement on this vaccine or not would have depended on the above.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM

chief on September 13, 2011 at 2:26 PM

On the open debate thread a person stated that when Gov. Perry was running for re-election against Kay Bailey nothing was turned up on this. The person said that Kay Bailey had top researchers and if there had been anything to this charge that Bachmann has accused Perry of, they would have certainly found it.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Perry chose to use the executive order to mandate an STD vaccine because he KNEW that such a requirement would NEVER make it through the TX Legislature. Case in point, the Legislature thumped Perry off the high ground, as did the TX Supreme Court ruling.

Perry proved his character flaw. It isn’t as if he wasn’t aware of the negative side effects of this specific vaccine. It isn’t as if he wasn’t aware that Texan parents (and youth) would reject his authoritarian abuse of power. He actually thought that he could get away with it, or he wouldn’t have done it the wrong way in the first place. Don’t white wash authoritarianism and tell us we need to be ordered about by the political elitists abusing their power and office. It doesn’t matter his excuse. He acted against the constitutional rights of Americans.

And like Rush Limbaugh, I had to laugh at Perry’s “I’m not a cheap whore” response that it takes a hell of a lot more than $5K to get his attention.

As to the various PAC organizations that fund Perry’s political career, there’s more than the specific PAC for his 3rd and last campaign for TX Governor.

Of course Merck or any other global corporation isn’t going to pay any politician kickbacks without utilizing a network to cover tracks.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Bachmann jumped the shark here, I’m sure Romney gave her another kiss after the debate.

I was saying the same thing as Ed last night, the Merck tie in is perfectly fine and up to Perry to explain, but she was dead set on using the “little girls” rhetoric to assassinate Perry’s character and then she turned into Jenny McCarthy after the debate.

Daemonocracy on September 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Those two are awfully chummy:-) But Bachmann repeated the “little girls” in the debate, several times. Or are you talking about the “friend’s daughter” that was retarded after receiving the vaccine?

I hope that Perry doesn’t have to continue to explain this vaccine up to the primaries. I suppose as long as MB or Romney or Santorum or Huntsman continue to bring it up via the MSM questioning.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM

As if Kay Bailey Hutchison doesn’t have her finger in the pie, too.

As a matter of fact, Debra Medina wiped the debate floor with Perry each time on legal matters regarding medical treatment in Texas.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:12 PM

For the 867th time “Social Issues Kill Republicans – Even Amongst Their Own” I cant wait to rinse and repeat in 5 years.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Thanks for clarifying and putting in perspective this non issue. It was only brought up for political gain and trying to take Perry down and to slander him.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Besides, Perry didn’t need $30million to run his third governor’s campaign. So much for that didn’t mean anything campaign promise that if elected a third term, he’d not run for potus.

Then again, maybe he’ll try a Huey Long tenure multitasking two elected positions at once.

/snark

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Well Bachmann is hoping people will get all we’ we’ed up LOL! I don’t think it’s going to transfer to higher poll numbers. I would like to know if her solicitation donations for her campaign fund, to stop vaccinating 11 and 12 year olds mined her any $$$$.

I agree with Rush, she jumped the shark, and for what? So she can hold on a little longer? She hopes to be in contention for the VP slot on a Romney ticket? Bachmann hasn’t exactly behaved subtly.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 5:19 PM

It was only brought up for political gain and trying to take Perry down and to slander him.

It takes a willing suspension of disbelief to make that claim.

Politicians run on their record. This is part of Perry’s record. It shows how he works. And to ignore it is to allow him the opportunity to work that way from the Oval Office.

You can’t claim ignorance, just stupidity if you think that this kind of governance represents what the “Tea Party” values as an ideal.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

I agree with Rush. Consider shark jumped. Next.

WarEagle01 on September 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

It was only brought up for political gain and trying to take Perry down and to slander him.
It takes a willing suspension of disbelief to make that claim.

Politicians run on their record. This is part of Perry’s record. It shows how he works. And to ignore it is to allow him the opportunity to work that way from the Oval Office.

You can’t claim ignorance, just stupidity if you think that this kind of governance represents what the “Tea Party” values as an ideal.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

His record was to suport an EO for Gardasil, which never went through – and he said “I made a mistake”

THATS character, the rest is just noise.

As to character – can you please stop running boogeyman storys about kids getting sick from vaccines… 35M have been administered, with an unfortunate – and anemic rate of side effects.

Aspirin kills 5,000 folks a year – for all sorts of reasons.

And your attempt at playing connect the dots Dr would have you uncertified from most medical professions or sued for millions at the least.

More fear mongering nonsense about an issue. Look, dont like anyone – thats cool – but the BS smears and tail wag the dog drama is so… liberal.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Perry’s former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was a lobbyist for the drug company Merck, maker of the vaccine, at the time.

Rub-a-dub-dub. It was crony capitalism.

Bachmann was outraged that Merck was gifted windfall profits through Perry’s executive order.

Bachmann agreed with Santorum who interrupted to contribute the conclusion of her thought that civil liberties not only matter, but need to be protected by governing officials.

And Gov. Rick Perry’s record has three strikes against upholding the constitutional rights of American citizens. This Merck executive order is not an isolated incident.

For all the hype from Perry wanting a secure border with Mexico, his NAFTA Trans Texas Corridor highway from hell would insure no border security with trucking never halted for inspection. And to top that off, Perry was willing to use eminent domain to gain peoples farmland and ranches for his highway to be constructed by a corporation from SPAIN.

People are lax in considering the rights of fundamentalist communities, preferring to think that such people just don’t count, or “deserve” to be abused by authorities. But there was no legitimate reason for Perry’s administration to forcibly remove the hundreds of children by the CPS and Texas Rangers on the basis of FALSE TESTIMONY, even though the State of Texas had no means to house and care for all those children at once, refusing any communications between siblings and between children with parents for over a year until the TX Supreme Court ordered the return of the children to their parents. Those parents had been refused an audience with Gov. Perry who wouldn’t lift a finger to uphold their rights.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I missed that. Has anyone received emails from Bachmann asking for donations using the Gardasil issue?

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 3:18 PM

I did. I unsubscribe immediately. If I discover that I ‘liked’ any FB pages about her I’m going to ‘unlike’ those as well.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 13, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Gee, then evidently everyone that signed up for her received them then. Hope you made a copy before unsubcribing:-) I don’t use FB, just email. I’m very selective with those tho.

What a mess these debates have become. I wish Jim DeMint would sponsor them instead of the MSM.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Links already posted @ 4:57 above. Read and weep.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

he said “I made a mistake”

and that he’d do it again /in order to err “for the children”/

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Perry’s gubernatorial campaign, for example, received nearly $30,000 from the drugmaker since 2000, most of it prior to his decision in 2007 to order young girls to obtain Merck’s vaccine against the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Merck has also given more than $355,000 in donations to the Republican Governors Association since 2006, which was the year that Perry began to play a prominent role in the Washington-based group, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics.

Perry served as chairman of the RGA in 2008 and again this year until he decided to run for president. The group also ranks among Perry’s biggest donors, giving the Texas governor’s campaign at least $4 million over the past five years, according to Texans for Public Justice.

Washington Post

Perry lied because he thought he could get away with it.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Links already posted @ 4:57 above. Read and weep.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Death and tragedy happen – and its heart breaking.

Using it to prop up a political point that is a non issue is sad and pathetic.

But carry on.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I kept it. I didn’t delete it.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Perry lied because he thought he could get away with it.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Nope you are taking his complete statement about the $5,000 out of context. Go back and read the transcripts from last night’s debate. He never said that the $ 5,000 was the only donation he ever received from Merck. Or keep repeating the Wa Po liberal spin, I really don’t care.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Nope you are taking his complete statement about the $5,000 out of context. Go back and read the transcripts from last night’s debate. He never said that the $ 5,000 was the only donation he ever received from Merck.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

I’m glad that she followed up her attack on the debate stage with this nonsense. She has now discredited eveything she said. No one will believe her now.

And again, where was Bachmann’s righteous indignation at Romney all these months that she’s been debating him? Nowhere. She is disingenous, insincere, and a liar. And I used to like her a lot.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Perry lied because he thought he could get away with it.

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM
Nope you are taking his complete statement about the $5,000 out of context. Go back and read the transcripts from last night’s debate. He never said that the $ 5,000 was the only donation he ever received from Merck. Or keep repeating the Wa Po liberal spin, I really don’t care.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Its amazing today – with all this nifty technology – that inuemdos and memes within inuendos and memes bubble to the top as “What Perry said”….

At least 50% of the anti Perry crowd, Bachmann and Palin included – have thrust this nonsense, while WaPo did a stink piece already; which has absolutely nothing to do with anything, except for killing Bachmanns chances – and giving Palin a big problem.

Thats the rub people seem to be missing. We can debate Gardasil, cancer, EO’s all day – net, net result of this “issue” … Bachmann is done, with Palin taking a lumping.

Perry +1 1/2
Palin – 1/2
Bachmann -1

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 6:15 PM

The only lumping Palin took exists within your imagination.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

The problem with Bachmann is that she’s crazy.

WisCon on September 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Palin getting involved in this is a little unsettling only because there’s no evidence that Perry did any of this, and it really isn’t crony capitalism anyway. Now, if you’re making official policy in exchange for a donation, we’re talking about something criminal, and that you’d better be able to back up if you’re going to charge that

..Rush Limbaugh..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 5:41 PM
I kept it. I didn’t delete it.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Good. I do the same thing with certain emails:-)

Now I need to read what is going on up thread.

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM

..Rush Limbaugh..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Palin said that if there was a tie between Perry and his former COS and the Gardisil thing that it would be crony capitalism.

There’s nothing problematic about that.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Well this debate helped narrow the field. No way I will vote for Bachmann. She is just another typical lying whinny politician. Anyone got any idea what going on and on about Gardasil. Someone tell me what that has to do with the economy and jobs. It is just another cheap shot when you haven’t anything good to say about your self you just do ad-homine shots at those that do. Perry has already admitted it was a mistake. Did Bachmann every say that she was wrong about her story about the first shots, or did she just blow it off saying it was the teleprompter’s fault.

pwb on September 13, 2011 at 6:28 PM

There’s nothing problematic about that.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Looks to me like Rush had a small problem..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Looks to me like Rush had a small problem..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Then I suppose I respectfully disagree with Maja Rushdie.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Looks to me like Rush had a small problem..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

What did Limbaugh say about Sarah Palin?

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Then I suppose I respectfully disagree with Maja Rushdie.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Good Deal..It is America..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:36 PM

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Read my 6:25 pm comment..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Read my 6:25 pm comment..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Well Limbaugh is wrong. Perry has several problems exactly like this. The Gardasil vaccine issue is just one of several crony capitalism problems. He may have explanations for all of them, but its not a very bright position to put yourself in if he isn’t playing the game.

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

The only lumping Palin took exists within your imagination.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

It would have been better if she didn’t comment on it. Palin didn’t need to be associated with Bachmann and her “verbiage” I do believe that Bachmann is struggling to hold on but it’s a lost cause….I could be wrong, but the very statement that Gardasil causes retardation is at the very least a poor choice of words.

Dr Evil on September 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

sharrukin on September 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Refer to my 6:36 pm post!..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 6:15 PM
The only lumping Palin took exists within your imagination.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Settle down little cub.

I didnt say shes toast, finished, done, dumb, unelectable…. I said – exactly what her team is doing right now, they need to deflect and respond to the silly this issue has become – which wasnt on the team agenda at 7PM last night .

Whether a tweet, FB, radio, TV whatever – she will address the difference – and there is a huge one – between her comments and Bachmanns.

She will be fine, for her greatest strength is controlling her message.

Now back to your blind zeolotry.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM

maverick muse on September 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM

You’ve posted a lot of info regarding Gov. Perry. When you complete your investigation of Romney, Bachmann and Huntsman and have it posted, I’ll take a look at all of it.

thanks,

bluefox on September 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Settle down little cub.

Now back to your blind zeolotry.

Odie1941 on September 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Thank you for your brilliant insight, Mr. Condescension.

I’m not a cub. I’m not a zealot.

And I didn’t accuse you of saying any of the things your defending against.

Now go back to your strawman defense and demagoguery.

powerpro on September 13, 2011 at 6:55 PM

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