Video: Perry doubles down on in-state tuition for illegals in Texas
posted at 10:33 pm on September 12, 2011 by Allahpundit
Another clip via Breitbart TV, which did a bang-up job tonight of posting highlights almost as fast as they happened. Were these the only actual boos (or maybe they’re grumbles of dissent) that Perry got? My thinking on this subject has been that if we’re willing to vote for Bush and McCain, we’re willing to forgive any potential nominee their heresies on immigration — especially since Perry’s position here likely improves his electability by attracting Latino voters in the general. But maybe I’m wrong. None of tonight’s “problem” issues — Social Security, Gardasil, the Texas DREAM Act — is necessarily fatal on its own, but together I think they’ve raised enough doubts to erode some of the white-knight stature he enjoyed when he first declared. Ace’s co-blogger Drew said it well: “I want to like Perry but if you watched these things & didn’t know who was who, no one would ID Perry as the double digit frontrunner.” Indeed. And I think his biggest problem tonight may be less the substance of the attacks than the fact that they came from Bachmann, who’s probably back in the race (at least in Iowa) and may be able to keep Perry from breaking away. A good night for Romney.
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Good for you. And you have that choice. Ain’t states’ rights great?
fossten on September 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM
Illegal immigration is the issue. I don’t want any of them here. I don’t like legal citizens taking 3 years of unemployment or free health care, or W I C checks, or Free housing, or Food Stamps (now a credit card look alike) or …… U name it!
Why? BECAUSE IT IS OUT OF MY PAYCHECK. I and my husband are self employed and are beginning to resent ALL the takers no matter what category they fall under.
We start by deporting President Obama’s illegal relatives and proceed from there!
If Perry is the winner I’m voting for him. My guy is Rubio and I hope I’m alive to vote for him. Until then, anyone but Obama and the Socialists he hangs with.
Delsa on September 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM
I just stumbled over a pile of steaming viscera, it’s getting a mite bloody in here.
Bishop on September 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM
Bush and Perry’s non-action in Texas has the consequence of encouraging and then dumping millions of surplus illegals onto other states, particularly the industrial heartland like Ohio and in the Midwest.
Texas is the gateway of the bulk of illegal immigrants in the US. The network of illegals in Texas is so massive then from there they are dispatched across the country.
haner on September 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM
So then don’t attend an OOS school. Problem solved.
Good Solid B-Plus on September 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM
Oh, yeah, that happens a lot, Einstein, that’s why Mexico is a growing economy.
cartooner on September 12, 2011 at 11:04 PM
Stop with the DREAM act nonsense, what Perry signed was not an endorsement of the DREAM act as the state of Texas does not have the authority to grant citizenship to illegals. Here in Texas we have two options – since the Federal government has abdicated their role in enforcing immigration laws, securing the border and declines to refund the state’s taxpayers for doing the Fed’s job – we either throw our hands up and let these people stay where they are, continuing to drain the taxpayers, or incentivize them to become productive citizens by granting them in-state tuition fees; and as a teacher I can tell you they have to stay on track for US citizenship or the rates go up to the regular levels. This was done in an attempt to help us alleviate the burden on the State due to the Feds not doing their job, it’s not the DREAM act, no one is granted citizenship.
smfoushee on September 12, 2011 at 11:04 PM
States’ rights is a moderation phrase?
fossten on September 12, 2011 at 11:05 PM
If the guys who run that Mexican restaurant on Van Aken are illegals, I’ll vouch for them to stay in the country after the mass deportation.
Good Solid B-Plus on September 12, 2011 at 11:05 PM
Perry will not lose any votes to Obama because of allowing in-state tuition. If only 4 Texas legislators voted no on this measure, it should be clear what the bargain is to keep Texas a Republican Red state.
KW64 on September 12, 2011 at 11:06 PM
Vince on September 12, 2011 at 11:07 PM
What happened to this blog? When did LGF take over? What a bunch of troll pansies.
Indian Outlaw on September 12, 2011 at 11:07 PM
Do you people supporting Perry’s position actually not realize that he is providing taxpayer subsidized tuition rates to ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS just because they crossed and stayed in Texas?
That his straw man of ‘not on the public dole’ ignores that ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS do not legally get to BE on welfare?
Do you not know this or are you trying to hide it?
In state tutition for ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS is closet amnesty because it strengthens the argument that law-breakers should just CONTINUE to get a pass.
Oh, and the nonsense about ‘pursuing citizenship’? Can’t do that if you enter ILLEGALLY.
HammerNH on September 12, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Texas and other states are being forced to make these kinds of decisions because of federal mandates and lax border control by the feds. Even so I don’t think I would have made the same decision Perry made. However, it’s interesting that Texas Republican legislators supported the decision. If Perry were able to put his 4,500 troops on the border, these kinds of decisions should start going away.
flyfisher on September 12, 2011 at 11:09 PM
What is LGF??
Delsa on September 12, 2011 at 11:10 PM
If brains were dynamite you couldn’t blow your nose.
cartooner on September 12, 2011 at 11:10 PM
No one can opt out of iodine salt. Way back in time they found that iodine stops thyroid goiter so they as in the government mandated that all salt for consumption have iodine in it. Under the standard that MB and other take, Iodine should be out of all salt with all in processed food out as well. Have it placed on the shelf in two forms ionized salt or non-iodine salt then you can opt in for iodine to be a vaccine and prevent thyroid goiter.
If they could say in 80 years what was cancer the same way they say what is a thyroid goiter, would they still object. If this vaccine could be placed in a common food then give to people over a life time from birth will they still object as well for some reason.
Is the one sticking point is that it is a sexual transmitted virus and even if woman does not have it they can get it from sexual encounter and giving it at 12 mean that they are now ready for sex, that would be petty. When the Aids vaccine is discovered and is best for a life time protection to give at age 2 under this standard people will still have aids because of the sexual nature and it is not appropriate to give to 2 year old which would mean they are now ready for sex or something.
Any rule that the government makes mandatory is just too big of a government, but there are some things that the governments does that the people should be willing to get it without the force. A vaccine of any type (MMR, flu, bird flu , pig flu, Hepatitis, yellow fever, or HPV ect) is one of them.
tjexcite on September 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM
Oh well. Obama is to death as Romney is to dishonor. Death before dishonor.
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM
Yes! I backed the Governor with this and still support it. Now, the fed needs to get off its backside and help out so this becomes less of an issue in the first place.
XWing5 on September 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM
No, both were just fine. Mitt’s question was sighted for damage. Rick’s response was fine: SS wrong in the beginning, wrong now, let’s shift to states.
Where Mitt distinguished himself was: in the contest between statism and liberty he placed himself on the wrong side of the abyss.
AshleyTKing on September 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Of course. But the State that offers it, pays for it. Texas doing what it’s doing isn’t a drain on Florida.
Did you know that other states universities offer at least in-state tuition, but mostly free tuition/a full ride (tuition,room & board, books, fees & a meal plan) to athletes from other states? If you got a 36 on your ACT you could get a full ride in pretty much in every state.
batterup on September 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Little Green Footballs, a snotty site.
AshleyTKing on September 12, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Yes and to add to that, since states have no choice but to give them public education, what are we to do when they get out and want to go to college? Tell them no and they join a gang? States only have so many options.
cartooner on September 12, 2011 at 11:15 PM
What the hell are you talking about? When you go to the grocery store, there’s regular Morton’s Salt and then there’s Morton’s Iodinized Salt. Maybe Perry could learn about that thing called options, although he is big about states having them, but apparently just the governor of that state.
haner on September 12, 2011 at 11:15 PM
That is totally consistent with his positions on health care mandates … wait … what?
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Damn straight. I’ll never intentionally spend a nickel in a state that favors lawbreakers over the law-abiding as a matter of policy. It’s an insult to legal immigrants.
CantCureStupid on September 12, 2011 at 11:16 PM
I should say his stated position on health care mandates. Nobody actually believes that is his real position.
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:16 PM
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:16 PMExactly.
AshleyTKing on September 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM
LOL!! First, in-state tuition isn’t a subsidy, moron. Second, We stopped the invasion way back in 1836 and about 10 years later we joined you whiners.
cartooner on September 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
So Perry didn’t do very well tonight f rom what I’m hearing. I’ll have to watch to see for myself but the after action reports are not looking good For Perry. Immigration is a problem for him it appears. I wonder if it is still the Bush shamnesty push that has turned so many off of amnesty and how the pols attempted to cram it down our throats.
unseen on September 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
Right … who, pray tell, do you support?
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
opps
AshleyTKing on September 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
Tjexcite excellent point. Unfortunately haner is not yet mature enough to understand the logic.
Indian Outlaw on September 12, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Bachmann rocked tonight! I was beginning to doubt she had enough fight in her but tonight my confidence is bolstered. And she doesn’t support unconstitutional mandates or illegal immigration, either, so I can actually vote for her without betraying my country, which would be nice for a change.
FloatingRock on September 12, 2011 at 11:21 PM
It is where Ace of Clowns writes during the day under the name of charles.
unseen on September 12, 2011 at 11:21 PM
sounds like she did well tonight maybe it will move her out of the 4% range.
unseen on September 12, 2011 at 11:23 PM
I’m not sure how a republican candidate can get away with promising more entitlements in this economy, and in this case to people who are in this country illegally.
The next president has to scrape some of the barnacles off the hull of the ship of state, not recruit more.
jaime on September 12, 2011 at 11:23 PM
You’re a moron on two counts.
haner on September 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Still haven’t found a cure, huh?
cartooner on September 12, 2011 at 11:25 PM
Bachmann definitely is proving herself. She is is a perfect example of how amazing conservative women are.
Indian Outlaw on September 12, 2011 at 11:26 PM
Straw man. They shouldn’t (and in TX, don’t) qualify for welfare.
alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Perry is fumbling this issue too, and it sucks because I think he has a stronger hand than he thinks.
You just say that in regards to immigration you reject both extremes of the issue, US citizenship for all/find and deport all. You support securing our border, and you make it clear that there will be no pathway to citizenship.
As for the Texas Dream act, you say that you will not punish children for the crimes of their parents. They’re minors and they were brought here by adults. They’re not the guilty party in this.
El_Terrible on September 12, 2011 at 11:28 PM
I hope you don’t drive, because you are scaring me.
faraway on September 12, 2011 at 11:28 PM
As one who paid out-of-state tuition, it’s annoying that illegals in TX get in-state and I don’t. It’s a break bc in-state tuition is subsidized by state $. Education costs much more than most in-state tuition.
alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 11:29 PM
Perry didn’t do poorly. They were all pretty good and no question they are all much better than what we have now. We need someone who’s coat tails will get rid of the others like him who hold office now and are up for re-election in 2012.
We need to rid our country of all these guys.
Thanks for the clarifications of LGF
Delsa on September 12, 2011 at 11:29 PM
Yes, it is. Education has a cost (teacher salaries, maintenance/upkeep, room/board, etc.). In-state tuition in most states is less than this cost, and its made up by state transfers (welfare) and charging over full-price to out-of-state students.
alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 11:31 PM
Obviously not, as your idiotic comments keep appearing.
CantCureStupid on September 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
I’m paraphrasing, but…
…was an awful, awful response, suggesting it’d take a lot more than that to buy him off.
alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
*facepalm*
strictnein on September 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM
Why give them anything? You are making it an either/or.
kim roy on September 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM
You’re right and it sucks, but in a state like Texas we can either help get these individuals become productive members of our state or face increased taxes to cover them due to the Feds inaction and non-existant enforcement. So, we’ve chosen to pay a little over 2-4 years to those that have proven they want to become citizens rather than pay out far more for possibly decades to come. I don’t agree with it in principle, but we have to do something to help the taxpayers since the Governor of Texas doesn’t have the authority to deport anyone and again the Feds just catch and release back to the State’s dole.
smfoushee on September 12, 2011 at 11:38 PM
Well it looks like the ABPers are going to need a new flavor of the month soon if Perry continues to disappoint in the debates like this from what I’m hearing.
i have yet to read a comment that says:
He knocked it out of the park, he was great tonight”
All I’m seeing is he did ok, he sucked…when your own supporters can’t mount a very positive view of your performance I think we can say it wasn’t that good. i’ll have to watch it myself later to confirm this but the comments are not trending in perry’s favor.
unseen on September 12, 2011 at 11:38 PM
Romney adapting the Obama 2008 campaign strategy to the letter.
Disciplined, avoiding ancillary social issues, keeping answers general and brushing off opponents attacks with vague responses.
Good job Mitt.
rickyricardo on September 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
At the State level it is an either/or.
smfoushee on September 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
Being from deep south Texas, I have mixed feelings about the instate tuition for illegal aliens and the now defunct gardisil vaccine mandate. I tend to lean more on the side of support and I’ll tell you why.
First, Texas is overrun with people who are undocumented and their children, like it or not. The children are already in our school systems. Is it just in a moral society to deny children a discounted university education in a state where many have called home for most of their lives? Let’s punish the RIGHT people. Let the kids have a fighting chance to make something of themselves and hopefully pull themselves out of the god-forsaken poverty that they have found themselves in. K? I know many here at HA are going to rip me a new one, but frankly from what I’ve read, there are too many hearts of stone on this board and it’s a little disturbing.
Second, the gardisil thing isn’t about sex. It’s about protecting the health of our society. How many of you pitch a fit over giving the MMR, Hib, polio, vaccines? Thought so. Perry mandated another vaccine. Big F-ING DEAL. Just opt out of it like you can for all the rest. But don’t come crying to me when in 15 years your well-rounded moral daughter who has waited until marriage finds herself with cervical cancer because her new hubby’s family decided to not vaccinate their son.
My daughter WILL be getting it, without a doubt, if only to protect her from morons who think that gardisil will encourage promiscuous behavior. Get a grip.
Ok. Off my soap box and going to bed.
pullingmyhairout on September 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
Bonus!
Cindy Munford on September 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM
What about international students that are legally in this country? They get hammered with tuition. What’s so special about illegals?
MeatHeadinCA on September 12, 2011 at 11:42 PM
Perry’s law gives “Texas Grant” money ($20,000 per illegal alien, at $5,000 a year) to illegal aliens, on top of in-state tuition rates (which are below the national average). Additionally, other Texas taxpayer-funded grant programs are available to illegal aliens, including the Texas Equalization Grant program, which is designed to pay the difference between private and public university tuition for private-school attendees who are Texas residents, and Texas state-taxpayer-funded student loans.
TxAnn56 on September 12, 2011 at 11:44 PM
I agree with you, my issue right now is that Perry won’t articulate this. I think he’s our best candidate and I expect a better performance from him. If he keeps this up he’ll be Palinized after his first big interview.
El_Terrible on September 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM
Y’all are confusing decisions made by Perry at the state level as being done under the same circumstances as facing the Federal government. Perry can’t deport anyone just like he can’t grant clemency, he doesn’t have the authority. Perry can’t cut off illegals from the state dole, its a Federal mandate on the states. So what should he do in a state like Texas with our illegal population? Jail them all? The Feds already said they won’t pay us back. Shoot them? What?
Perry decided that since he can’t send them home, can’t jail them, the feds won’t do their job, and because we are mandated to pay for their services we had better find an in-state solution to work with them and make them viable members of our state. Granting them in-state tuition isn’t a great solution but it solves a financial problem until we have someone in Washington with the guts to actually fix this issue.
smfoushee on September 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM
So essentially an illegal immigrant gets a better tuition rate than a US citizen from, say, Arizona if they were to be taking the same courses at the same institution?
kim roy on September 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM
Perry – very clearly – does not have the guts to fix this issue.
Spin it all you want, Perry is WRONG on illegal immigration, and I for one cannot support someone who will not expel illegal Mexican nationals from American soil.
Rebar on September 12, 2011 at 11:49 PM
And if Perry is worried about them being a welfare burden … may I suggest he reform welfare then?
MeatHeadinCA on September 12, 2011 at 11:49 PM
Amen, bro. We have bigger fish to fry than wasting our time debating non-issues like in-state tuition and a freakin vaccine. Sheesh people. Pick your battles.
pullingmyhairout on September 12, 2011 at 11:49 PM
I agree with you on this point. Texas and the other border states have a long relationship that preceded their joining the union. Its a complicated issue deeper than just The Alamo. For a primer, one should read or watch Texas, by James Michener.
Yes, I’m against illegals, but the border states are in a catch-22. Thus it’s up to them to do what they think best as the feds failed to uphold the constitution. I may ding Perry on some things, but not on his handling of illegals with the majority consent of the legislature.
AH_C on September 12, 2011 at 11:50 PM
And you propose to do that…how?.
pullingmyhairout on September 12, 2011 at 11:53 PM
I am with you on this issue. I have read all the comments (or rather excuses) for why Perry has the position he does on illegals and none of them are satisfactory to me in any way, shape or form. It isn’t like we need to round illegals up, just enforce the laws, secure the border and STOP giving them handouts and they’ll self-deport. They are here illegally because we make it worth their while to be here and stay here.
KickandSwimMom on September 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
Then it sounds like there hasn’t been any real solutions or serious attempts at fixing the issue – just a plug that one hopes will make things a little less worse.
If a state has an illegal immigration problem then fix it, no matter how ugly it may be. Either one is there to fix problems or they’re there to make a living and have a career. Having half-assed solutions to play the “lesser of two evils” is not fixing anything.
So either the government subsidizes education or you’ll have a bunch of ILLEGAL immigrants on the dole. What a choice. Sounds like making the status quo a little more palatable.
kim roy on September 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Perry can’t expel anyone from Texas, he doesn’t have the authority. Stop confusion Federal and State issues. We have to live with these people as a drain on our taxpayers because the Feds won’t do their job. texas can only jail them and report it to ICE, but they’ve already told us we’re stuck with the bill and have proven they’ll just release them. So, what do you suggest we do?
smfoushee on September 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM
So … who are you supporting that will do that?
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Hey. I know. The economy totally sucks. The Democrats own the worst economy in 100 years. Let’s … umm … make the election about SS, immigration and vaccines so we can push for four more years of misery! Wo0t!!!!
besser tot als rot on September 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM
This meme that it will be impossible to expel all the illegals is ridiculous – it’s been done before, it can easily be done again.
Rebar on September 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Seriously?
My kid goes to UT. I pay in-state tuition because he was a resident of Texas for a year before going (actually all his life, but I digress). Barring an academic or athletic scholarship, he would pay out of state tuition at any public school in any other state!
This is a stupid argument. Resident=in state. Non resident=out of state. DUH.
TinMan13 on September 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Dayton, OH 2005. Signs at the Dayton Mall Home Depot in Spanish and English. Dayton. Ohio. 2005.
I took a wrong turn in the city and I saw a park on the Eastside that was almost all Latinos. Totally under the radar taking the construction jobs. Is someone going to tell me white and black people don’t work in construction?
Theworldisnotenough on September 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Who is giving them free tuition? The Dream Act lets them pay in-state tuition. It doesn’t give them free tuition.
The state’s rights argument is a stupid one. Romneycare is a state’s rights issue. That doesn’t mean passing it was a good thing.
Umm….no. It’s giving residents of a state who attend and graduate from Texas schools the same rate as others who live in Texas and graduate from Texas schools. If those other Americans move to and live in Texas, they can pay the in-state rate too
Since they’re already allowed to attend k-12 schools(which is the real problem…thank you supreme court), allowing them to pay in-state tuition in that state isn’t that big a deal in and of itself. Having said that, it bothers me that he did it, because he didn’t have to. It’s not a governor’s responsibility to make life easier for people who shouldn’t even be here.
xblade on September 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM
He knocked it out of the park…on Social Security. He was hammered every way from Sunday on a few other issues. He’ll learn. I don’t think Palin, under similar circumstances, would have done any better.
JonPrichard on September 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM
i think Perry thinks he can finesse the issue because Captain Amnesty did the same thing. Well you ain’t McCain Perry. If Perry wants to die on this hill then he can watch me vote for Romney. This issue really kills Perry if Romney drifts toward his position on Social Security.
Theworldisnotenough on September 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
Reform welfare. Get e-verify up and running. Cut off the sugar, if you will.
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
He would have had to veto the quite popular bill. That’s what the residents of Texas decided to do, what they wanted. There’s not a better argument for the 10th Amendment, given all the circumstances.
JonPrichard on September 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
Also preposterous. Round them up? At what cost? How do we start? Authorize police to stop everyone and ask them for their social security card? Birth certificate? Perhaps you’d like a national ID card to facilitate this.
Would you like to have the Border patrol knock on your door and ask you and your family to prove your citizenship? I’d like to see you try – you can’t actually do it.
Unless you’re willing to give up many of your precious rights, the fourth amendment in particular, forget it.
Jeez…
TinMan13 on September 13, 2011 at 12:06 AM
And illegals = in state HUH?
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:06 AM
Just enforce the laws, which ones? The Federal laws? Texas has to do that? Under what authority? Think the DOJ will allow that without a lawsuit? Just stop giving them handouts that are mandated again by the feds? Again, people need to realize there is a limit to what the State of Texas is permitted to do in this case, we can’t deport anyone and are only option in your eyes is to begin doubling our state’s prisons so we can jail them at the Texas taxpayer’s expense. Will your state help pay for that? What if I said please? The feds already stuck us with the bill.
What other state-based solution do you propose?
We can’t fix the issue at the state level, we can only make it easier to identify and jail illegals (see Arizona’s law) then inform ICE while they’re living on the taxpayer’s dime in prison waiting on a hearing that 9 out of 10 times ends in a release. So again, what do you propose we do in Texas?
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:06 AM
State colleges can and do check citizenship status. It’s very easy.
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:07 AM
Perry already told you what he’d do to staunch the illegal migration if elected. You conflating what he had to do a governor vs what should do as potus and blaming him now as if he was POTUS. Did you not get that Texas has sued the feds on a number of issues and for reimbursement to no avail? He can only make the best of whatever hand he is dealt with. You Yankees haven’t a clue to the unique issues of border states and so you rant and rave from your ivory towers about what Perry oughta do and ignore what he can or can’t do.
Like santorum and Michelle y’all need to get a clue before opining further.
AH_C on September 13, 2011 at 12:09 AM
The e-verify position is the first good idea I’ve heard from anyone knocking Perry tonight, yes he needs to be more supportive of legislation that forces employers to use e-verify, I agree. However, welfare reform isn’t a state-level issue, it’s federal.
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Hamfisted attempt at bait and switch.
First, the discussion was ‘how come I/my kid has to pay out of state.’ Because they aren’t Texas residents.
and
The second was a response to the ’round them all up and boot them’ statement.
I know you’re from CA, but try to keep up.
TinMan13 on September 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Wrong. It wont move him more than a few points up or down. Any points that Perry loses goes to another conservative. Me thinks Cain had a good night and will move up a few points. We’ll know by Friday, eh?
AH_C on September 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM
Certain states are reforming welfare, right?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/01/politics/main20068077.shtml
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Like the democrats who think he can just sign a piece of paper and grant a death-row inmate clemency. People need to become better educated on the difference between the state and federal governments. Perry’s campaign needs to do a better job.
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:13 AM
That’s exactly what Eisenhower did, and it worked like a charm.
E-verify, which Perry specifically does not support, would keep illegals from getting jobs, which is the only reason they are here.
This spin that Perry is helpless against illegals is pure hogwash. You can impliment e-verify and punish employers who hire illegals – purely on the state level – and those simple steps would have a major impact on illegals living in Texas.
The simple fact is, like Bush, Perry is soft on illegals.
Rebar on September 13, 2011 at 12:15 AM
First, this is not necessarily true. There are many types of visas which can bring you into this country and there are multiple ways to gain a green card. I know because my wife is a legal permanent resident of the USA. Gaining citizenship once the green card is issued does take the 5-10 years, but a green card can be obtained within 1 year.
Second: All of you defending Perry’s stance here leave me flabbergasted. Granting in-state tuition to illegals may not cost the government/tax payer money (although we don’t know if the government is covering the extra cost or not…since nobody has provided a link), but it is still a benefit to the illegal immigrants that is not given to A) U.S. Citizens of other states and B) Legal immigrants who DO pay taxes and have an SSN (like my wife).
No matter how you try to obfuscate or justify, the fact remains that the law gives illegal immigrants an incentive to stay in this country. Furthermore, providing a college education does not keep them off of the dole since they shouldn’t be able to be on it in the first place. In fact, LEGAL immigrants are prohibited from obtaining any benefits from welfare/disability/medicare, etc… Even though they do help pay for them. In other words, my wife pays for medicare even though she is not allowed to benefit from it. Any of you who use it can thank her. Oh, and she also pays for the VA for you vets (which she is happy to do).
Third: As for whoever it was that said in-state tuition is not an incentive to cross the border, think again. Although Mexican Universities are cheaper, they are not respected. A degree from a Mexican University is less likely to see you hired in Europe/North America/Japan/Australia, and actually, in many S.American countries as well. I know Japanese people who send their children to American Universities because and American BA is worth more than a Japanese BA. If the Japanese are willing to do so, how much more would a poor Mexican parents want their children to have an American BA or above? They love their children just like we do, and will go to great lengths to secure their future…including breaking our laws.
Fourth: Arguing that this is only affects Texas, and that’s why we have states rights would only make sense if Perry were running for governor of a state. He’s running for POTUS, which means the issue becomes one that involves all states. If he did it in Texas (a border state suffering from Illegal Immigration) why wouldn’t he do it federally? Obviously he thinks it is a great idea.
Perry’s immigration stance is moderate at best, but seems pretty liberal to me. It is not Obama’s Dream Act, but it has the same spirit to it. It does nothing to stop the border problem…and may be making the problem worse. At best, it is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who spent their time and money to go through the system and a reward to those who violate our laws (intentionally or not).
Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 12:15 AM
That isn’t welfare reform, it’s just adding another hurdle to collection. Besides, requiring drug testing will face a long legal battle from the ALCU and other lib orgs which will delay it’s implementation if not kill it outright. Again, real welfare reform is a federal issue to tackle.
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:17 AM
First, I pointed out that you made a rather silly point. Yes, instate people do pay instate tuition. Now, what exactly is the reason that illegals can also qualify for instate tuition when legal residents of the US and legal international students don’t?
Second, if you insist on using these absurd scare tactics of talking about rounding up the people and breaking down doors, I will simply point out that the government could take real, meaningful action with the problem at hand. Citizenship status is checked by state universities – I know from experience (they’re also using e-verify now, too). If the issue at hand is state universities and illegals, I will point out that there is a way to “catch” illegals without breaking down a single door or throwing grandma off a cliff.
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:17 AM
Yes, it is quite just to deny access to something someone isn’t entitled to in the first place.
xblade on September 13, 2011 at 12:18 AM
It will be challenged and it IS reform.
MeatHeadinCA on September 13, 2011 at 12:18 AM
Just to play devil’s advocate here, but let’s say Perry implements harsh penalties for in-state businesses that hire illegals and enforces them. Where does Texas put all of the illegals? Do we just leave them alone and expect they’ll leave or jail them and wait for ICE to send them back?
BTW I agree with you on e-verify.
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:21 AM
You didn’t really read that article, did you?
Under the current system of political correctness, you could never do what happened 60 years ago.
And – to reiterate, proving citizenship is a difficult proposition requiring suspension of rights.
TinMan13 on September 13, 2011 at 12:23 AM
Glad to know it’s only the Mexicans and not Germans, Polish, Russians, Albanians, Chinese, Africans, Irish or Arabs illegals that tick you off /s
Comments like yours make it easy for the amnesty crowd to label you as racists.
AH_C on September 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM
Saying you need to pass a test to get benefits isn’t reform, true reform is what Republicans did in the 90′s limiting the time a person can spend on welfare and enacting policies to help them get back to work. I’m not saying the drug test is a bad idea, far from it as I support the initiative, but pointing to that as a big example of how a state can reform welfare to remove illegals from its dole isn’t a homerun.
smfoushee on September 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM
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