Quotes of the day

posted at 10:56 pm on September 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Palin even went as far as to lend her voice to the charge leveled by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) during the debate against Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R): That he allowed a law to go though requiring HPV vaccinations for adolescent girls because of a $5,000 campaign donation and his relationship with his former chief of staff, who went on to lobby for a pharmaceutical company.

“‘I knew there was something to it,’ Palin said of learning while she was Alaska’s governor that her Texas counterpart had given the go-ahead to the vaccine. ‘Now we’re finding that now, yea, something was up with that issue. It was an illustration or bit of evidence of some crony capitalism.’”

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Aren’t you courageous, Sarah! You made a damaging, unsubstantiated comment which managed to tar all the GOP candidates in your Iowa speech. Now, do you have any other specific evidence to back up your charges?

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 8:10 AM

She’ll explain, I’m sure, on her nightly Fox hit on Greta.

Good Lt on September 13, 2011 at 8:13 AM

It’s a wonder America stills stands….we need to stop bashing our guys…all of them…and hammer down on the real problem.

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM

RINO

Good Lt on September 13, 2011 at 8:13 AM

RINO

Good Lt on September 13, 2011 at 8:13 AM

RINO…
can’t you make up your mind without bashing? geezzz

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 8:19 AM

I remember that once we mandated polio vaccines and small pox vaccines we were able to eradicate those diseases. It seems to me that was a good thing. I can’t help get the feeling that if there was a vaccine to prevent STDs, it would be mandated and a good thing…so why is this one different?

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Polio, small pox, whooping cough, measles and mumps are all infectious airborne diseases. Diseases that can be picked up just by being in close proximity to someone.

HPV/STD’s are infectious diseases spread only through sexual contact. That is the issue.

How the diseases are spread and whether is it appropriate to to vaccinate all girls in Texas on the presumption that they will be sexually active at a young age and require this protection.

Some believe that cervical cancer is reason enough to vaccinate all girls and others believe that you are sending the wrong signal to 12 year olds when you vaccinate them for a sexual disease, even if it is to prevent the possibility of cancer somewhere down the road.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Seems pretty futile to me to innocculate all US. children while allowing a non-stop stream of illegal aliens over the border in your backyard who haven’t had ANY innoculations… ever.

One of the MAIN reasons for an ORGANIZED immigration system… the health and well-being of our citizens.

stenwin77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Not sure what Palin did to her hair, but it is not becoming.

Just say’n.

oTr

There are two secrets to success:
1. Never tell everything you know.

ontheright on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Gingrich on Sarah Palin….

I do want to say by the way, that Governor Palin’s speech in Iowa last weekend on crony capitalism and on the problems of both parties, is a very very important speech. I’m going to be tweeting a link to it. I’m also going to be doing some other things with it. I think it was maybe one of the most important speeches she’s ever given. And I think it raised a series of very profound questions that all of us, Democrat and Republican, have to wrestle with as citizens. And she did it very well. It’s a very very impressive speech.

idesign on September 13, 2011 at 8:30 AM

RINO…
can’t you make up your mind without bashing? geezzz

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Didn’t think I needed the /s tag.

Good Lt on September 13, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 8:10 AM

I’m not happy about it either but you took me to task for getting annoyed at Rove for doing the same thing. Goose, gander!

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 8:33 AM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 8:10 AM

Seriously? You don’t think crony capitalism has infested both sides of the aisle? You have to name a problem in order to begin to fix it.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 8:36 AM

Who… oh yeah wasnt she McCain’s VP candidate and a governor at one point? I heard she was doing some reality show. What’s she up to now?

Dash on September 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM

stenwin77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

I agree. Our children get appropriately vaccinated to attend school but the guy handling your food at your favorite restaurant may not have been.

That’s why our current immigration laws should be followed…

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Not sure what Palin did to her hair…

ontheright on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

I like it. It’s very presidential.

Dash on September 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Ignore her at your own (or your favorite candidate’s) risk, lol.

She said by the end of September…

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 8:43 AM

…says the gal with the relationships with oil producers…all people who are well connected, leaders, with power, have corporate relationships, power seeks power, powerful people seek advice of other powerful successful people…does Sarah open the phone book and just call anyone for advice?

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 8:46 AM

I know, let’s choose a leader who sits on the sidelines and takes pot shots at the contestants…that’s like giving the MVP to the obnoxious drunk guy in the third row who calls the umpire a bum after every call.

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 8:49 AM

…says the gal with the relationships with oil producers…all people who are well connected, leaders, with power, have corporate relationships, power seeks power, powerful people seek advice of other powerful successful people…does Sarah open the phone book and just call anyone for advice?

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 8:46 AM

You must know very little about Sarah’s record in Alaska. Try reading Sarah takes on Big Oil: The compelling story of Governor Sarah Palin’s battle with Alaska’s ‘Big 3′ oil companies, as told by the state’s top oil and gas editors, Kay Cashman and Kristen Nelson sometime.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:50 AM

I know, let’s choose a leader who sits on the sidelines and takes pot shots at the contestants…that’s like giving the MVP to the obnoxious drunk guy in the third row who calls the umpire a bum after every call.

right2bright on September 13, 2011 at 8:49 AM

You bear more similarity to that obnoxious, drunk guy than Gov. Palin does.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:51 AM

The genius in all this is Palin. She knew these folks would shoot each other down. Perry ended up with steer manure on his shiny boots and Jindal showed his amateur standing by endorsing him before he had run the gauntlet for his past liberal indisgressions.
Don L on September 13, 2011 at 7:32 AM
If Palin had gotten in before, they’d be throwing everything at her instead of Perry, and he’d get a free pass. It’s seeming more and more like a really smart move on her part. And I think this is why some of the more rabid Perry supporters are so apoplectic.

Yeah, I guess one debate was enough for Jindal. It probably means he was a Perry supporter from the start.

Dongemaharu on September 13, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Seems pretty futile to me to innocculate all US. children while allowing a non-stop stream of illegal aliens over the border in your backyard who haven’t had ANY innoculations… ever.

One of the MAIN reasons for an ORGANIZED immigration system… the health and well-being of our citizens.

stenwin77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Great post from someone who obviously gets it!

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Yeah, I guess one debate was enough for Jindal. It probably means he was a Perry supporter from the start.

Dongemaharu on September 13, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Just like Palin has been a Perry supporter from the start…
/

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM

We must elect a strong Conservative. Squishiness just won’t cut it.

kingsjester on September 13, 2011 at 7:48 AM

Go for the squish, KJ. We promise the lions will eat you last.

Extrafishy on September 13, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Just like Palin has been a Perry supporter from the start…
/

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Ha.

Dongemaharu on September 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM

So the questions in my mind regarding this are:
Did Perry’s former employee work for this pharmaceutical company?
Did that company donate to Perry’s campaign etc?
Why was the vaccine MANDATED with an executive order (was it? Or did parents have an option to opt out?)?
Was the pharmaceutical company the only one making the vaccine at the time?

It the answers to those questions are yes, then I would say, ummm, duh. The guy’s got a problem.
IDK if they are truly yes. But it seems so far as if they are. Feel free to point me to links providing answers. Bcs I’m open minded about this.
If these are truly yes answers, then Perry does really have some patronage going on.
And I’m sick of patronage. By any color politician, red or blue.

Badger40 on September 13, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Michele Malkin has some very good information on the vaccine issue. She’s raising the right questions and points out that there was no opt out for insurance companies.

Also, those of you calling it a cancer vaccine are being dishonest. It IS NOT a vaccine for cancer. It is a vaccine for an STD that is believed to increase the risk of cervical cancer in women over 25. Actually, it is believed to also cause penis cancer as well. (Why no mandate for boys?) In other words, it is like getting a vaccine for gonorrhea. And yes, HPV is only transmitted through sexual contact:

How do people get HPV?

HPV is passed on through genital contact, most often during vaginal and anal sex. HPV may also be passed on during oral sex and genital-to-genital contact. HPV can be passed on between straight and same-sex partners—even when the infected partner has no signs or symptoms.

I suppose the “dirty needle” could transmit the disease as well. Of course, unless your 12 year old is doing heroine, I don’t think you need to worry about that. What nobody likes to hear is that STDs can be prevented by not being sexually active…especially with multiple partners. Heaven forbid we give up our casual sex!

To paraphrase: It was a mandate, it is not a cancer vaccine, HPV is an STD: transmitted only through sexual contact.

Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Go for the squish, KJ. We promise the lions will eat you last.

Extrafishy on September 13, 2011 at 9:02 AM

LOL.

kingsjester on September 13, 2011 at 9:08 AM

I’m not happy about it either but you took me to task for getting annoyed at Rove for doing the same thing. Goose, gander!
Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 8:33 AM

Can you refresh my memory as to what it is that Rove said? Meanwhile, note that I have repeatedly said that Palin needs to make up her mind what role she intends to play: Pundit or Candidate. Rove is a pundit and is paid to offer his opinions and analysis.

Seriously? You don’t think crony capitalism has infested both sides of the aisle? You have to name a problem in order to begin to fix it.
Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 8:36 AM

If she had made a general statement about the perils of Crony Capitalism we would not be having this discussion. Palin specifically cited “GOP candidates” who have been corrupted by “massive amounts of cash from Big Donors” without citing a single example, or even identifying the “GOP candidate” she had in mind. That is deplorable.

Note too that “to be fair” she compared these candidates to Obama who has a distinct record of cronyism with GM’s unions, GE, Solyandra and others. He is literally in the business of picking winners and losers with taxpayer dollars.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Seems pretty futile to me to innocculate all US. children while allowing a non-stop stream of illegal aliens over the border in your backyard who haven’t had ANY innoculations… ever.

One of the MAIN reasons for an ORGANIZED immigration system… the health and well-being of our citizens.

stenwin77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Great post from someone who obviously gets it!

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM

This

wheelgun on September 13, 2011 at 9:15 AM

kingsjester on September 13, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Good post, as usual. The only thing I like about that list of Obama’s craptastic czars is the thought that every one of those worthless communist pukes will be out on the street with Turdboy come January, 2013. Until then, God protect us from progressives and their lethal ambitions.

Extrafishy on September 13, 2011 at 9:22 AM

It’s a good thing we’re focused on this Gardasil issue.

I mean, it’s national in scope and certainly is a bigger problem than the economy, three wars, massive overwhelming spending, burdensome regulations, Obamacare, and unfunded Social Security.

Or something.

fossten on September 13, 2011 at 9:22 AM

…without citing a single example

WRT Perry:

‘Now we’re finding that now, yea, something was up with that issue. It was an illustration or bit of evidence of some crony capitalism.’

Duck, bob, weave and then, the punch. It’s a classic set-up. Your definition of “deplorable” must be very broad.

I find it refreshing to bring up crony capitalism and start the conversation about its current role in politics, again, on both sides of the aisle. Voters on both sides of the aisle are also fed up with the government (and its agents) picking winners and losers.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Extrafishy on September 13, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Yep. Scooter has failed at job growth everywhere except in his Administration.

kingsjester on September 13, 2011 at 9:24 AM

It’s a good thing we’re focused on this Gardasil issue.

I mean, it’s national in scope and certainly is a bigger problem than the economy, three wars, massive overwhelming spending, burdensome regulations, Obamacare, and unfunded Social Security.

Or something.

fossten on September 13, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Part of the vetting process. Our eventual nominee should be someone trustworthy and sound of judgment. The Gardasil issue speaks to both off those qualities.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 9:27 AM

And for those of you who stupidly keep posting about days, months,
years in office -(by the way Palin has 20 years in political service) -

Why not just elect a president who has the most time in office?
There must be someone who has been a senator or whatever for
decades.

Why admit to the fact that at this time in our history, we need
a person with a record of reform who is not afraid to take
on both parties when it comes to corruption? That might be too
difficult for some of you to wrap your brain around.

Do you think there is corruption in Washington?
Do you think our tax dollars are being misspent?
Do you think we need an overhaul and/or elimination of all
government departments?

Or do you think we need to elect a president who will be only
slightly better than what we have now?

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Your definition of “deplorable” must be very broad.

I find it refreshing to bring up crony capitalism and start the conversation about its current role in politics, again, on both sides of the aisle. Voters on both sides of the aisle are also fed up with the government (and its agents) picking winners and losers.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I find it “deplorable” that she made sweeping, unsubstantiated charges against “GOP candidates” who have been tainted by “massive amounts of cash” from “Big Donors”. Please note that I have quoted Palin directly. Now if you think it’s fine to start a whispering campaign against “GOP candidates” you are no better than certain members of the media who have used this deplorable tactic against Sarah Palin.

P.S. I only saw this comment by chance. It’s helpful to address comments to a specific commenter so they can search for them.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Didn’t think I needed the /s tag.

Good Lt on September 13, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Ok no problem…! :0)

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 9:45 AM

I remember that once we mandated polio vaccines and small pox vaccines we were able to eradicate those diseases. It seems to me that was a good thing. I can’t help get the feeling that if there was a vaccine to prevent STDs, it would be mandated and a good thing…so why is this one different?

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 7:42 AM

IMO only, the vaccine was, and still is, too new, and hasn’t been proven safe and effective. There are a lot of questions about potential side effects. Before we mandate it, let’s make sure it’s safe. Until then, let the parents decide, not the state.

mbs on September 13, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I remember that once we mandated polio vaccines and small pox vaccines we were able to eradicate those diseases. It seems to me that was a good thing. I can’t help get the feeling that if there was a vaccine to prevent STDs, it would be mandated and a good thing…so why is this one different?

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Obviously your feelings are in error. HPV is an STD and the Gardasil vaccine is designed to prevent it. Ergo, since people are against the Gardasil vaccine being mandated “a vaccine to prevent STDs” being mandated is not considered by many to be “a good thing.”

Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM

This thread has been quite amusing.

According to some, we shouldn’t even have a primary campaign at all because somebody might point out something unfavorable about Rick Perry’s record as Governor.

These same people have been throwing turds at Palin for two years or more, and anyone who challenges them are “delusional cultists”.

What comes around goes around, as they say.

This race is going to be fun, I look forward to it!

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Seems pretty futile to me to innocculate all US. children while allowing a non-stop stream of illegal aliens over the border in your backyard who haven’t had ANY innoculations… ever.

One of the MAIN reasons for an ORGANIZED immigration system… the health and well-being of our citizens.

stenwin77 on September 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Great post from someone who obviously gets it!

Amjean on September 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM

This

wheelgun on September 13, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Aren’t those inoculations protecting our citizens against diseases brought in by them?

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Obviously your feelings are in error. HPV is an STD and the Gardasil vaccine is designed to prevent it. Ergo, since people are against the Gardasil vaccine being mandated “a vaccine to prevent STDs” being mandated is not considered by many to be “a good thing.”

Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Obviously…I must be wrong. STDs are terrible though and so is cancer.

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Obviously…I must be wrong. STDs are terrible though and so is cancer.

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Indeed they are. However, that shared opinion should not be the basis for mandating an STD vaccine…especially when the vaccine does little to address either problem. See my previous posts on that.

As for the necessity of the Gardasil vaccine:

Most STDs are preventable without a vaccine. Cancer, however, cannot be prevented by a vaccine. The Gardasil vaccine does not prevent cancer. Rather, it prevents an STD that may lead to a higher risk of cervical cancer (as well as others as I have already pointed out). The same effect can be had by abstaining from casual sexual relationships and shooting up with dirty needles.

Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 10:19 AM

As for the necessity of the Gardasil vaccine:

Most STDs are preventable without a vaccine. Cancer, however, cannot be prevented by a vaccine. The Gardasil vaccine does not prevent cancer. Rather, it prevents an STD that may lead to a higher risk of cervical cancer (as well as others as I have already pointed out). The same effect can be had by abstaining from casual sexual relationships and shooting up with dirty needles.

Pattosensei on September 13, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Yes, I understand what you are saying. I agree, abstaining from casual sex solves a lot of problems. This age group is prone to ‘mistakes’ though.

tinkerthinker on September 13, 2011 at 10:34 AM

. Rove is a pundit and is paid to offer his opinions and analysis. Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Don’t pretend that Rove isn’t behind the scenes using money and connections to remain a kingmaker. He has his preferences and he will do what he can to support them. I see little difference in their world of punditry. As for the cronyism, Gov. Palin has made this a theme in the past without mentioning names, I assume it is a complaint she hears from the public at large. What you consider an all encompassing smear could just as easily be interpreted as fair warning to the candidates. She was specific this time because it was specific in the debate.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 10:40 AM

740 comments+ and counting. Whatta lady!

Herb on September 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Nobody is ever going to end cronyism. It is part of politics, and part of life. If somebody did end it, it would come right back in 15 minutes.

Really Right on September 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Palin will run

ChuckTX on September 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Nobody is ever going to end cronyism. It is part of politics, and part of life. If somebody did end it, it would come right back in 15 minutes.

Really Right on September 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Certainly some transparency reforms could be enacted to severely limit it’s corrosive effects on our Government.

But hey, keep up that positive attitude of yours, it’s contagious!

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Don’t pretend that Rove isn’t behind the scenes using money and connections to remain a kingmaker. He has his preferences and he will do what he can to support them. I see little difference in their world of punditry. As for the cronyism, Gov. Palin has made this a theme in the past without mentioning names, I assume it is a complaint she hears from the public at large. What you consider an all encompassing smear could just as easily be interpreted as fair warning to the candidates. She was specific this time because it was specific in the debate.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 10:40 AM

I’m not “pretending” anything! I have repeatedly noted that Rove is to be thanked for the work he did with American Crossroads re the 2010 Congressional elections, so to the extent makes him a kingmaker, fine. I see his concerns/preferences very much centered on the electability of candidates in a general election. I don’t listen every day, but most of the conversations I heard vis a vis Rove and Perry had to do with the alleged Bush/Perry rivalry.

But there is one undeniable difference between Rove and Palin: At no time has Rove run for office, nor has he ever expressed any interest in doing so. Pundits are much freer to speak their minds than candidates – it’s just the nature of politics. Rush is a brilliant radio host but would probably not make a good candidate for public office (least of all the White House).

Palin is putting the candidates in a difficult position: Do they respond to Palin the pundit or Palin the potential candidate?

As for why Palin has taken this issue on in the manner that she did, I wouldn’t assume anything other than that she is doing it for her own benefit. The fact that she has talked about crony capitalism in the past does not excuse the way she talked about it in her Iowa speech.

And how do you define “fair warning” exactly? A warning not to be a crony capitalist, or a warning that she will make an issue of it if she jumps into the race? Why warn people of something they are not engaging in?

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 11:23 AM

P.S. Cindy, one thing Rove cannot be accused of is being a kingmaker for himself.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM

It’s still funny how some people really believe Palin is going to be President.

It’s thisclose to being sad, but it’s still funny.

And, it’s hilarious to see Palin referred to as Governor Palin, like that gives her some sort of clout. She quit that gig and it just reminds people that she quit that gig. I laugh any time I hear it on Fox News.

Moesart on September 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Palin will run

ChuckTX on September 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM

It doesn’t matter if she runs….she’s not winning. The only possible affect of her running is helping out Romney. She will need to bash Perry in order to have a chance. So Romney won’t have to do the dirty work. He’ll have Bachmann and Palin bashing Perry.

terryannonline on September 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Bologna. Your faux outrage is amusing.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Bologna. Your faux outrage is amusing.
Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM

It’s not “faux” anything. I am furious with Palin for doing this. But hey, allow me to make unsubstantiated slurs about Palin, and call your reasonable anger “faux” okey-dokey? Let’s see, perhaps I should start some sort of rumor about her entire family since she alluded to corruption about the “GOP candidates” in the plural.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM

And if Gov. Palin never enters the race, the same applies. Don’t take the term “pretend” as an insult, it wasn’t meant to be. I consider myself pretty much a Pollyanna and I don’t dislike Rove but to believe all his motives are altruistic and he gains nothing is a bridge too far.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM

If anybody thinks Governor Perry or any other politician with two brain cells to rub together can be bought for a $5000 campaign contribution on a matter as large as the HPV vaccination program that person is dumber than a rock.

{^_^}

herself on September 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM

He does not benefit by promoting his own candidacy. I’m not sure what he gains other than to promote the most electable candidate based on his proven experience as a strategist and his personal desire to get Obama out of office.

To the extent that he remains a paid pundit at Fox who is hired for his expertise, or that his op-eds get published in the WSJ, fine, he gains something. I don’t know that he has been hired as a paid consultant by any of the prez candidates. If that were the case it would be a conflict of interest so I highly doubt it.

If Palin runs there is a conflict as she has been paid by Fox all along to provide her analysis and continues to do so at a point in the election cycle that candidates are debating each other on a regular basis, under scrutiny for their specific positions, and so forth. Not only is it more difficult to trust her objectivity, but she continues to get free face/promotional time. For those reasons, the fact that she has continued to work as a paid commentator for Fox does tend to favor the opinion of those who think she is not running. I just wish she would announce her intentions (just as Huckabee, Gingrich, and Santorum had to do).

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 1:28 PM

If anybody thinks Governor Perry or any other politician with two brain cells to rub together can be bought for a $5000 campaign contribution on a matter as large as the HPV vaccination program that person is dumber than a rock.

{^_^}

herself on September 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM

It’s not just about campaign contributions:

The controversy over Perry’s decision deepened as it came to light that his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck and that his chief of staff’s mother-in-law, Rep. Dianne White Delisi, was the state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM

It doesn’t matter if she runs….she’s not winning. The only possible affect of her running is helping out Romney. She will need to bash Perry in order to have a chance. So Romney won’t have to do the dirty work. He’ll have Bachmann and Palin bashing Perry.

terryannonline on September 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Too bad that when you compare the latest polling with and without Palin in the race, her entry takes more support away from Romney than it does from Perry. But, by all means, keep pushing the meme.

steebo77 on September 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Have at it, Danish, purposefully, knowingly spreading false slurs and rumors about innocent people if that’s the way you roll.

Crony capitalism is the evil twin of free markets. It’s the political cancer that Gardasil can’t prevent. I’ll shout it from the rooftops because it is true, and it’s true for both Democrats and Republicans, plural, all around… but you go ahead and lie about Palin, if it floats your boat.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 1:28 PM

American Crossroads keeps Mr. Rove in the king making, influence peddling business and it wouldn’t surprise me if it is his largest source of income. He has an agenda.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

While I wish Gov. Palin hadn’t made this remark, I think this is apples and oranges. There is a big difference in the federal government “helping” make vaccines more affordable and mandating that people get the shots. I would also venture to guess that Alaska isn’t the only state that availed itself of the funds.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Sarah Palin’s Alaska Took Federal Funds to Increase Access to Gardasil

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

I, personally, don’t care if parents want to have their children vaccinated with Gardasil or not. It’s a parent issue, not a state issue to me.

Palin mentioned crony capitalism wrt Perry and the maker of Gardasil. I’m not even sure if she mentioned the executive order part (to which Perry has already retreated) was also a concern, to some.

That is quite different from the meme of article to which you linked. Accepting “federal funds” to provide impoverished parent(s) who desire to have their child vaccinated with this expensive serum is not unusual. I don’t believe Palin has ever stated that she would never accept any federal funding for her state.

(BTW ~ I found out I’m impoverished [no expanded cable] reading the poverty story, lol.)

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM

You said it much more concisely than I.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 2:15 PM

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

While I wish Gov. Palin hadn’t made this remark, I think this is apples and oranges. There is a big difference in the federal government “helping” make vaccines more affordable and mandating that people get the shots. I would also venture to guess that Alaska isn’t the only state that availed itself of the funds.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM

While it was not a mandate, they picked winners and losers and taxpayers bore the cost.

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

I, personally, don’t care if parents want to have their children vaccinated with Gardasil or not. It’s a parent issue, not a state issue to me.

Palin mentioned crony capitalism wrt Perry and the maker of Gardasil. I’m not even sure if she mentioned the executive order part (to which Perry has already retreated) was also a concern, to some.

That is quite different from the meme of article to which you linked. Accepting “federal funds” to provide impoverished parent(s) who desire to have their child vaccinated with this expensive serum is not unusual. I don’t believe Palin has ever stated that she would never accept any federal funding for her state.

(BTW ~ I found out I’m impoverished [no expanded cable] reading the poverty story, lol.)

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM

The case can be made that, due to the nature of the “mandate”, Perry was also trying to help impoverished parents.

Merck was also the recipient of taxpayer dollars in both cases.

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Ultimately, she needs to be consistent according to her own definitions. I have no problem with parents who want their children to receive the vaccine and making it more affordable is not a crime. They both did that in their own way and Perry has stated that he should have consulted the legislature.

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 2:40 PM

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I do not believe that Gov. Perry did this for cronyism, I am sure he thinks it was a great opportunity to help a lot of people at a reduced cost. The fact remains that it is against my conservative principles (vary from person to person) to mandate a vaccine for something that is not a contact communicable. Gov. Perry has admitted that his handling was an error. I have no problem taking him at his word. As for Merck receiving taxpayer money, I am against corporate welfare.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM

The case can be made that, due to the nature of the “mandate”, Perry was also trying to help impoverished parents.

youngTXcon on September 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM

The CDC announced that the HPV vaccine is available through the federal Vaccines for Children (VFC) program in all 50 states, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, San Antonio and Washington DC. VFC provides vaccines for children ages nine to 18 who are covered by Medicaid, Alaskan-Native or Native American children, and some underinsured or uninsured children.

State Action

The Michigan Senate was the first to introduce legislation (S.B. 1416) in September of 2006 to require the HPV vaccine for girls entering sixth grade, but the bill was not enacted. Ohio also considered legislation in late 2006 to require the vaccine (H.B. 703), which also failed.

Since 2006, legislators in at least 41 states and D.C. have introduced legislation to require the vaccine, fund or educate the public about the HPV Vaccine and at least 20 states have enacted legislation, including Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington.

The CDC announced that The New Hampshire Health Department announced in 2006 that it will provide the vaccine at no cost to girls under age 18.

As of May 2007, the department reports they have distributed over 14,000 doses in the state. South Dakota’s governor also announced a similar plan in January 2007 that combines $7.5 million in federal vaccine funds and $1.7 million from the state’s general fund.

As of May 2007, the department reports distributing over 20,000 doses of the vaccine. The Washington legislature approved spending $10 million to voluntarily vaccinate 94,000 girls in the next two years. On February 2, 2007, Texas became the first state to enact a mandate-by executive order from the governor-that all females entering the sixth grade receive the vaccine, with some exceptions. Legislators in Texas passed H.B. 1098 to override the executive order and the governor withheld his veto.

The Virginia legislature passed a school vaccine requirement in 2007 and considered a bill that would delay that requirement but it was passed by indefinitely by the Senate Committee.

In 2007, at least 24 states and D.C. introduced legislation to specifically mandate the HPV vaccine for school (California and Maryland withdrew their bills). DC’s bill was enacted and requirement started 30 days after Congressional Review Period expired. See the bills marked under the school mandate column in the table below for more information.

As of October 2010, 19 state have proposed HPV related legislation or resolutions in 2009-2010. See the charts below for more information.

As of April 2011, 3 states have proposed HPV related legislation for the 2011 session. See the chart below for more information.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 2:49 PM

See the bills marked under the school mandate column in the table below for more information.

Search “Alaska” on the page and the only time Alaska appears is the first sentence I quoted:

The CDC announced that the HPV vaccine is available through the federal Vaccines for Children (VFC) program in all 50 states, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, San Antonio and Washington DC. VFC provides vaccines for children ages nine to 18 who are covered by Medicaid, Alaskan-Native or Native American children, and some underinsured or uninsured children.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Have at it, Danish, purposefully, knowingly spreading false slurs and rumors about innocent people if that’s the way you roll.

Crony capitalism is the evil twin of free markets. It’s the political cancer that Gardasil can’t prevent. I’ll shout it from the rooftops because it is true, and it’s true for both Democrats and Republicans, plural, all around… but you go ahead and lie about Palin, if it floats your boat.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM

OH PLEASE! What jackasserie! I have no desire to circulate false rumors, lies, anything of the sort, about Palin. I was making a point about what I object to in her speech where she referred to “GOP candidates” with her innuendo about “crony capitalism”, “Big Donors, and “massive amounts of cash”.

That is the issue, not whether or not crony capitalism exists. I oppose corruption and cronyism as much as anyone. I also oppose false allegations, but using your logic since you are defending Palin statements in her speech, you must favor this tactic.

P.S. Your comment is both “deplorable” childish and idiotic.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM

But hey, allow me to make unsubstantiated slurs about Palin, and call your reasonable anger “faux” okey-dokey? Let’s see, perhaps I should start some sort of rumor about her entire family since she alluded to corruption about the “GOP candidates” in the plural.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM

OH PLEASE! What jackasserie! I have no desire to circulate false rumors, lies, anything of the sort, about Palin.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Deplorable, indeed.

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Deplorable, indeed.
Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM

GROW UP. If you are so incapable of discerning sarcasm made to make a point (kinda like as Rush says, using absurdity to point out an absurdity) then perhaps this whole commenting business might just be above your head.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM

lol

Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM

But hey, allow me to make unsubstantiated slurs about Palin, and call your reasonable anger “faux” okey-dokey?

Just in case Fallon needs glasses or something. Do note that she picked this fight with me by labeling my reasonable reaction to Palin’s speech “faux outrage”.

Golly gee, look who’s outraged now.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 3:42 PM

lol
Fallon on September 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM

GFY. You are now at the very top of my asshat list. Congratulations! Do not ever complain that a commenter or member of the media has twisted Palin’s words because you have just stooped as low as one can go.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM

According to some, we shouldn’t even have a primary campaign at all because somebody might point out something unfavorable about Rick Perry’s record as Governor.

These same people have been throwing turds at Palin for two years or more, and anyone who challenges them are “delusional cultists”.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Yep. “If Perry will just say very little, stay away from the media, and if we can spin everything he does and says and shout down whatever negative is said about him, he can win a 45-state landslide!!!”

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM

ddrintn on September 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I just wish they would use the primary to show me how they are going to focus their attacks on Obama. I want to see some quick thinking, fast on their feet finesse. People in He!! want ice water.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

P.P.S. Goooooooh Ace! It is reassuring to see someone (other than myself) has picked up on this crony capitalism crap from Palin.

But apparently when [Greta] said we have to vet all candidates, I’m to have understood that as “all candidates except Sarah Palin,” according to Sarah Palin’s fans, who think their True Conservative fighter gets to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs and if you toss one back you’re guilty of a hate crime.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

All the candidates that are candidates.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 4:36 PM

I still don’t understand why you think Gov. Palin can’t be a paid pundit just because she might seek office but it’s fine for Karl Rove when he most assuredly will be working for future candidates. It seems like a double standard to me.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I still don’t understand why you think Gov. Palin can’t be a paid pundit just because she might seek office but it’s fine for Karl Rove when he most assuredly will be working for future candidates. It seems like a double standard to me.
Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I don’t understand why you can’t see the difference. BTW, I’ve already said that it would be a conflict of interest for Rove to work for candidates while working for Fox. American Crossroads is a PAC like SarahPAC which gives money to candidates. That is not the same thing as working directly for a candidate. I don’t object to the fact that Palin is a pundit and has a PAC which donates to candidates she has chosen to donate to.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 5:21 PM

You see it as Gov. Palin smearing all the candidates and I see it as Rove smearing the ones he wants to lose. Just different visions, I guess.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 5:25 PM

You see it as Gov. Palin smearing all the candidates and I see it as Rove smearing the ones he wants to lose. Just different visions, I guess.
Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Yes, because after smearing all the candidates she can eventually jump in as a candidate and directly benefit from her smears – so it’s a direct conflict of interest. And for the gazillionth time, I have no problem with her being a pundit (or “kingmaker”) but it’s time she defines her role.

And to be clear, if Rove works to elect GOP candidates (hypothetically a Bob Turner v. Welprin to replace Wiener) that’s fine. No one thinks he’s going to support D candidates so there’s not conflict of interest there.

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I don’t worry about him supporting Democrats, I’m just not a big fan of the Republicans he likes. Not always but often enough. I think you giver her job at Fox far more credit than it deserves.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I think you giver her job at Fox far more credit than it deserves.
Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

To the extent that I don’t think she’s the world’s greatest analyst, and is probably being overpaid to give her opinions, I agree. I also don’t know how many people who had negative views of her have been swayed by her appearances to change their mind. But I betcha she is making “massive amounts of cash” in this job:)

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

I’m all for people making money. I actually think she is a terrible analyst. Did you ever see the video of her interacting with the press and public at whichever state fair she attended this summer. She was a totally different person. On television she seems to be filling time with words and that’s exactly how it comes off. I don’t think that’s who she is, I think she is far more of a concise person. Her interaction at the Fair was much more in keeping with her writing style. I just see her more as a doer than a talker.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Buy Danish on September 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Nope, no faux outrage for you. You’re consistent in your defense of all GOP’ers. I remember well your comments on the “lying liars lying” 17 hour rant thread. As well as your comments/replies to the many Obsessor posts. Etc., etc..

Gohawgs on September 14, 2011 at 2:40 AM

BD,

I’ll see your ace link and raise you

It’s a freakingly obvious night and day difference — Perry’s MANDATE on families and the MANDATE on insurers going over the heads of the state legislature versus the Palin administration’s decision to accept federal subsidies to increase access to those who choose to take it. (Note: Gardasil is not and never has been mandated in the state of Alaska.)

Preston also objects to indirect costs imposed by the Palin administration’s program on taxpayers outside the state.

Newsflash: The Perry executive order would have ordered Texas health officials to use federal Medicaid funding to cover the vaccine for young women — a cost that would have been borne by millions of taxpayers outside Texas

Gohawgs on September 14, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Gohawgs on September 14, 2011 at 2:50 AM

I don’t remember the lying liars thread you reference. I support Perry to the extent that this anti-Gardisil hysteria is, well, hysteria and to claim that Perry was bought by Merck is hyperbole.

My comments at this thread are primarily about Sarah Palin’s remarks in her Iowa speech where she strongly hinted, without evidence, that “GOP candidates” in the plural were crony capitalists because OMG they have Big Donors. This (also via ACE), nicely ties in both themes. So, here’s my final answer:

But since the Divine Miss S began repeating these allegations (from that darned lamestream media), I see a lot of us have collectively dropped that attitude of “Prove it” and now take any government action made in the vicinity of a donation to be more or less proof positive of corruption.

That’s fine, but… Okay, bear in mind Sarah Palin will live by that same standard, too.

Buy Danish on September 14, 2011 at 7:25 AM

BD,

Ace is making his living (recently) being anti-Palin…

Gohawgs on September 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM

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