CNN poll shows Perry the man to beat in GOP race

posted at 10:45 am on September 12, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Despite all of the handwringing over Rick Perry’s response on Social Security, a new CNN poll shows him maintaining a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney.  Not only does Perry lead 30-18, but his electability numbers haven’t declined since defending his earlier “Ponzi scheme” remarks.  In fact, his electability quotient has risen since the last debate (via Gabriel Malor at AoSHQ):

The survey, released Monday morning, indicates that 30 percent of Republicans and independents who lean toward the GOP support Perry for their party’s nomination, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 18 percent. Romney, who’s making his second bid for the White House, had been leading the list of Republican candidates in the national polls, but since Perry launched his campaign a month ago he’s jumped ahead of Romney to capture the top spot. …

“Perry doesn’t simply have the most support in a hypothetical ballot – he also tops the list of GOP candidates on every personal quality tested,” adds Holland.

Thirty-six percent, for example, see him as the strongest leader in the field, with Romney second at 21 percent. According to the poll, 35 percent say Perry is the Republican candidate most likely to get the economy moving again, with Romney in second at 26 percent.

Nearly three in ten say that Perry is the candidate who is most likely to fight for his beliefs, with Palin in second place at 23 percent and, significantly, Romney in a distant tie for fourth at just 11 percent.

But Perry’s biggest strength may be the electability factor, with 42 percent saying he has the best chance of beating Obama next year. Some 26 percent say Romney has the best chance of defeating the president.

This poll also shows Bachmann dropping far into the second tier, with only 4% supporting her.  Palin comes in third at 15%, but taking Palin out doesn’t help Bachmann much; she only picks up 3 points to 7%.  Romney adds the same to his support without Palin, while Perry adds two points.

More to the point, Perry leads the enthusiasm race, with 35% pronouncing themselves “enthusiastic” if Perry won the nomination.  Only 27% would feel the same way about Romney, and 23% about Palin.  Romney wins the “pleased but not enthusiastic” category with 49%, but Perry gets 42% here as well , while Bachmann scores 17% and 40%, respectively.  When it comes to identifying which candidate agrees with voters the most, Perry has a 9-point lead over Palin, 26/17, with Romney barely edging Ron Paul for third place, 15/14.  Bachmann comes in at 8% and fifth place.

Perry wins in other key categories as well.  He outscores Romney by 15 points on leadership, 36% to 21%, with Palin third at 14%.  Perry also edges Palin on likeability, 25/22, with Romney a close third at 21%.  But as CNN notes, Perry creams Romney on electability against Obama by 42/26, easily outperforming his support at this moment.  No one else is in double digits; Palin gets 7%, while the rest of the field comes in at 5% or less.

If Romney and Bachmann think that by attacking Perry on Social Security they can make a case for leadership in an era of reform, well, they could be right — but they may find their Social-Security-is-OK argument backfiring with an electorate that has clearly awoken to the fiscal trainwreck coming from entitlement programs.  If Perry can successfully offer a framework for real reform in Social Security in this debate, he may wind up in control of the race.  I’ll have more on that later today.

Update: Byron York notices that older voters seem to appreciate some blunt talk about Social Security, too:

In a new CNN poll that finds Perry at the front of the Republican pack, the Texas governor’s lead among GOP voters age 65 and older is actually bigger than his lead among younger voters. Fifty-two percent of respondents over 65 say Perry is their choice for president, versus just 21 percent who choose Romney.  In the overall numbers, Perry leads Romney 32 percent to 21 percent, with Ron Paul following at 13 percent, Bachmann and Gingrich at seven percent each, Herman Cain at six percent, and Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum at two percent each.

Republican voters over 65 also believe Perry has the best chance of defeating President Obama in next year’s general election.  Perry leads Romney 58 percent to 22 percent among older voters on that question.

Breaking down the age results in different categories, Perry leads Romney by 24 percent to 19 percent among GOP voters under 50.  Among GOP voters 50 and older, Perry leads Romney by 41 percent to 22 percent.

When asked to choose between leadership and pandering, most people will choose leadership.

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If you want a drawing card, go with teal, forest, charcoal or honey. Get with the program! :)

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Now those I don’t have a problem with.

Honey – Something they put in my beer.

Forest- The place you find bees to make my honey to put in my beer.

Charcoal – Made out of the forest in which my beer-honey is raised, after it is chopped down.

Teal – What you have to cut with Democrats in the legislature to freeze out the environmentalists in order to let you chop down the forest so you can make your charcoal.

Simple, really…

JohnGalt23 on September 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Our crack research staff here at the Official Palin Crying Towel(tm) Ltd. has determined the colors that we selected are the most comforting for guys and gals alike. Soft pastels? You betcha!

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 11:57 AM

it was a declaration couched as a question by a ‘nista trying to show how once again st sarah has made sarahistory. but they arent a cult!!! they dont idol worship!! its just factual that she leaps tall buildings in a single bound like obama

chasdal on September 12, 2011 at 12:04 PM

yeah, lots of “convincing” happens on these threads!! i wasnt trying because i doubt you could be convinced. you started out commenting way off topic of what my post was about anyway. you were bbomb-throwing to began with.

chasdal on September 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM

I didn’t throw any bombs. I just disagreed with what you said to someone else, and it looks like you did not understand what was said to you in the first place. I asked who said it was historic? Turns out nobody did, somebody asked if that had ever happened before.

Then, you start being a jerk towards me calling me a troll, telling me to go away.

The bombs were all in your hands.

Whatever, it’s inconsequential really.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 12:06 PM

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Hey, when is Harvest Gold & Avocado Green coming back into popularity?

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Palin deserves a fair and unencumbered (without McShame on the ticket)shot at Obama. That’s why I am for Perry until Palin gets in.

milemarker2020 on September 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I wasn’t surprised by Timmy endorsement just like I won’t be when Bachmann endorses Mitt. The failure of Timmy to attack mitt at the debates showed that Timmy would be a Mitt fan.

As far as endrosement by Palin. i’ll take it under advisment not sure how much impact it would have. If she makes a good case for why she is endorsing the person I might be more likely to support that person. right now my 2nd choice is Perry but I really don’t see much difference between Mitt and Perry on the issues that matter to me. Both will practice crony cpaitalism and both will make sure their donors get the spoils of the taxpayer directed to them. I kind of would rather see those spoils directed towards Perry’s people than mitt’s people if I had to make a choice but the game won’t change and we the people will basically still get screwed. I’m extrememly tired of the status quo and believe the the country has been on the wrong track for the last 20 odd years. Electing Mitt or Perry will not get us on the right track it would improve the economy somewhat but it will not return us to the right track. It will simply change who gets paid by the taxpayers. I see GE working with Mitt and Perry just like they worked with Obama.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Did I mention that the Official Palin Crying Towel(tm) and the Official Palin Write In Pencil(tm) are made right here in the USA! Using cotton grown on the fruited plains of Mississippi using entirely non-union labor?

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Did I mention that the Official Palin Crying Towel(tm) and the Official Palin Write In Pencil(tm) are made right here in the USA! Using cotton grown on the fruited plains of Mississippi using entirely non-union labor?

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM

The Palin victory Towel is made from the fur of freshly melted Ice drowned polar bears, and the hides of Wolves shot from Helicopters. The machines that make the towels are greased from pure oil drilled from our coasts. The towels are delivered on special trucks with no emission reducing equipment.

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:19 PM

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Great! I’ll take one for my collection. It will go perfectly right next my “Jets 2010 Superbowl Champs” paraphernalia :-)

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

You seem rather pathetic today.

I expect better out of you.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Thanks, I appreciate your response. You make a lot of sense. Right now I lean, of those running, Perry but I understand the criticisms of Perry. If Palin gets in, she is certainly more in-line with my family and values. I hope she would decide soon. Having no formal infrastructure in place like the others do leads me to believe she won’t, but she plays by her rules. It sure would be great to hear her in the debates though. I worry that Palin, Perry and Romney are really not getting a chance to answer, in detail, tough questions with so many candidates right now. Thin the herd.

btw I do worry about elect-ability, but Palin has not made any effort to dispel criticism in this area, so while today people may feel she is not electable, tomorrow she may make the case. I think today it is OK for us to worry about elect-ability. I also think that if anyone can make the case for elect-ability, it’s Palin.

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM

it was a declaration couched as a question by a ‘nista trying to show how once again st sarah has made sarahistory. but they arent a cult!!! they dont idol worship!! its just factual that she leaps tall buildings in a single bound like obama

chasdal on September 12, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Can you answer the question? Has an undeclared candidate been in third place as late as the middle of September?

It does seem strange to see an undeclared candidate in third place this late with all of these other candidates that have been propped up by conservative media and bloggers.

The same conservative media and bloggers have said for months that Palin won’t run and can’t win even if she does run for president.

You can call it a cult and ridicule Palin’s support all you want, but the fact is that Palin is in great position right now.

I think with some vetting that Perry is vulnerable and Romney is Romney. I feel great about this poll and we will see how things play out once the first votes start in February.

chief on September 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Great! I’ll take one for my collection. It will go perfectly right next my “Jets 2010 Superbowl Champs” paraphernalia :-)

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

LOL. Right next to your Romney ’08 banner. Hope you saved a spot for the Romney ’12 banner as well.

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

chasdal on September 12, 2011 at 11:59 AM

yeah after 3 weeks with no vetting Perry is unbeatable?

What is that saying “the bigger t hey are the harder they fall”

By IA vote the race will be completely different than it is shown by the polls today as all the candidates will be vetted.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM

it was a declaration couched as a question by a ‘nista trying to show how once again st sarah has made sarahistory. but they arent a cult!!! they dont idol worship!! its just factual that she leaps tall buildings in a single bound like obama

chasdal on September 12, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Right, THAT’S why we support her: Superman got a sex change and turned into Sarah Palin. /

It’s amusing to see some people losing their minds because some of us still think highly of Palin and are still waiting patiently for her to announce her intentions.

Aitch748 on September 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

One of the points no one wants to make:

The CNN verifies Palin’s surge in the ABC/WAPO poll released around the end of August (14%) and completely proves that the Fox poll is a piece of trash (8%).

technopeasant on September 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

btw I do worry about elect-ability, but Palin has not made any effort to dispel criticism in this area, so while today people may feel she is not electable, tomorrow she may make the case. I think today it is OK for us to worry about elect-ability. I also think that if anyone can make the case for elect-ability, it’s Palin.

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM

if you look at the internals of the poll. that is one area that is holding Palin back. Once she enters the race and is compared with the other candidates the “electablity” arguements become less. It is the only thing that can change it. running a campaign. She is also seen weak on the ability to improve the economy which I find strange since she has a better record of emplyment growth in AK than Perry has in TX on a % basis.

Many are saying Sept 17th for an announcement date. Not sure if that will be or not. She has said by end of Sept early oct as the drop dead date. I’m willing to give her a couple more weeks as Perry is vetted better with her out of the race still

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM

The CNN verifies Palin’s surge in the ABC/WAPO poll released around the end of August (14%) and completely proves that the Fox poll is a piece of trash (8%).

technopeasant on September 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

It also calls into question the Rasmuseen poll

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Hey, when is Harvest Gold & Avocado Green coming back into popularity?

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM

With any luck, never. :)

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 12:38 PM

i worry about the health of the ABPers when Palin announces and she vaults in a strong second position.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Thanks unseen.

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Simple, really…

JohnGalt23 on September 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM

That was great! Well done.

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Our crack research staff here at the Official Palin Crying Towel(tm) Ltd. has determined the colors that we selected are the most comforting for guys and gals alike. Soft pastels? You betcha!

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:04 PM

You’re a marketing whiz! May you make millions.

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 12:45 PM

if you look at the internals of the poll. that is one area that is holding Palin back. Once she enters the race and is compared with the other candidates the “electablity” arguements become less. It is the only thing that can change it. running a campaign. She is also seen weak on the ability to improve the economy which I find strange since she has a better record of emplyment growth in AK than Perry has in TX on a % basis.

Many are saying Sept 17th for an announcement date. Not sure if that will be or not. She has said by end of Sept early oct as the drop dead date. I’m willing to give her a couple more weeks as Perry is vetted better with her out of the race still

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Unseen, it’s good to see you keeping an open mind and a clear head. You’ve taken quite a few attacks over the last couple of years. Good on ya for not getting sucked into the flame wars. Keep up the good fight, and if Palin doesn’t run, go Perry.

fossten on September 12, 2011 at 12:46 PM

You’re a marketing whiz! May you make millions.

sherry on September 12, 2011 at 12:45 PM

He’s not going to make a dime, because it’s just a stupid snarky theme for this comment thread.

Pathetic.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Sorry, the GOP nominating process is just beginning.

Not ready to join the USED CAR SALESMAN 2 bandwagon just yet.

FEARLESS CONSERVATIVE 2012

PappyD61 on September 12, 2011 at 12:50 PM

It’s almost as if people who lay out the hard truths and fight liberal orthodoxy with tested, fiscally conservative principles in tough economic times do well.

See: Chris Christie

Dash on September 12, 2011 at 12:56 PM

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Hey! What about the “I ♥ St Palin the Victimized Towel” I suggested?

csdeven on September 12, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 12:49 PM

There are 3 kinds of people in this world. There are those who can count and those who can’t.

(that should keep him busy for a while)

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM

MJBrutus on September 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM

You aren’t improving.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 1:04 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/the-2012-presidential-candidates-as-nfl-players/244864/

Romney = Tom Brady

Santorium = Peyton Hillis

Huntsman = Ryan Fitzpatrick

Newt Gingrich = Jeremy Shockley

Rick Perry = Phillip Rivers

Ron Paul = Brad Smith

Hermain Cain = Darnell Dockrett

Barack Obama = Peyton Manning.

Sarah Palin = Bret Farve.

William Amos on September 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM

It’s amusing to see some people losing their minds because some of us still think highly of Palin and are still waiting patiently for her to announce her intentions.

Aitch748 on September 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Yep. They don’t get that Palin support is a mile deep. Perry support is an inch deep and a mile wide. Y’all can tease all you want, but we’ll have the last laugh.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 1:14 PM

William Amos on September 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Dude, spelling one of the names wrong is one thing. You misspelled most of them.

fossten on September 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM

ok the fliters are not allowing me to post the link so I’ll just post part of the CNN article:

Instead of ruing her lot as an outsider, she embraced it. And by doing so, in just a few years Palin has outmaneuvered, even leapfrogged her Professor Higgins, John McCain. So, regardless of her decision about a presidential run, Palin has positioned herself as the kingmaker of conservative politics.

PHow did she do it? Perhaps by sheer shrewdness or sheer luck, Palin spotted an opportunity early on with a growing chorus of other self-proclaimed outsiders, the tea party, and seized on it. Now, while the Republican straw polls, caucuses and debates play out, Palin simply orbits around it all, eclipsing her show’s extras, the supposed front-runners.

In fact, it can be argued that some of the front-runners ascended to their current positions because Sarah Palin helped them get there

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM

So let’s say the race evolves into a 3 person race with Paul as a wildcard. Who benefits from the others getting out of the race. I think Newts supports flow to perry or mitt, Bachmann’s remaining supporters flow to Palin, Santuroums split between Perry and Palin. Cain’s most likely go towards Palin with some going towards Perry. huntsmans what little there is will go towards Mitt and thus Paul stands a good chance of being a kingmaker in the GOP primaries if he chooses to use it. If Paul decides he can’t win

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 1:23 PM

The CNN verifies Palin’s surge in the ABC/WAPO poll released around the end of August (14%) and completely proves that the Fox poll is a piece of trash (8%).

technopeasant on September 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM

“Poll envy” has clearly reached a new level…

JohnGalt23 on September 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM

I say this poll if you believe in polls which I don’t is very good news for Palin.

unseen

Shocking.

This just in:

Sarah Palin Admits to 3Some with Bristol and Levi

Unseen: This actually makes Palin look good. She’ll be even harder to beat now.

The Palin victory Towel is made from the fur of freshly melted Ice drowned polar bears, and the hides of Wolves shot from Helicopters.

portlandon

Are you sure it isn’t made from unicorn fur and fairy dust?

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Just in case, Saturday is Constitution Day.

This from over at C4P

4. The announcement date will be …Yes, that’s what we all want to know. That’s what has provoked internecine battles among Palinistas. Some wanted her to declare last December, or this Spring, or yesterday. (Some believe she already declared informally on July 3, 2009 and everyone should just chill out!) Some believe she should have jumped in before Bachmann and Perry. The real answer, of course, is in Governor Palin’s head. No one knows when she will announce. She has stated it will most likely be in September. Facts on the ground could change that, however.

My prediction is that it will be on Constitution Day, Sept. 17, because the race is not just about her … it’s about all of us, and our common American values. But I don’t want to suggest that if she DOESN’T declare then that it will be a huge letdown. She will declare when she declares. I don’t have a problem with it. There are a million considerations, including which timing gives her the best shot at victory, the most important consideration of all.

But logic suggests that she might choose a meaningful day for her constituency, just as she announced for governor on Alaska Day, Oct. 18th. Alaska Day is the anniversary of the formal transfer of the Territory of Alaska from Russia to the United States in 1867.
Constitution Day marks the day, Sept. 17th, when the U.S. Constitutional Convention signed the Constitution in 1787.

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/09/the-davinci-bus-clues-to-governor-palins-future.html

PappyD61 on September 12, 2011 at 1:31 PM

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

You are disgusting and beneath contempt.

steebo77 on September 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Not funny.

You’ve joined the ranks of people like Andrew Sullivan and Kath Griffin.

Congratulations.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

see this is why I love free speech. by your own words you paint yourself as a sexist.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 1:40 PM

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

If you thought that was a display of wit, I do not think that you know what that word means.

kingsjester on September 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Just wonderin if TPaw is having 2nd thoughts about his early endorsement of Mitt after seeing this poll. Me thinks he jumped too soon. His endorsement of Mitt is like the small kid in the group trying to get attention by announcing his favorite big kid- “pick me– pick me” (for VP).

3dpuzzman on September 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM

This just in:

“Sarah Palin Admits to 3Some with Bristol and Levi“

xblade on September 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Classy.

portlandon on September 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Paul would never support Perry right? I can’t see him ever supporting Romney either. If Palin gets in, I guess he’d support her, but if she doesn’t I don’t see an endorsement coming from him at all.

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 1:23 PM

You are absolutely deluded, the Cultic candidate who hates Conservatives and has allied with the Progressives in the open, who in 2008 refused to endorse McCain/Palin and instead endorsed both Ralph Nader and Democrat, 9/11 Truther and Anti-Semite Cynthia McKinney’s candidacies instead will never be “King Maker” in the GOP.

at Stormfront yes, not within the GOP. he should be grateful he hasn’t been properly blackballed from the GOP at this point

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Paul would never support Perry right? I can’t see him ever supporting Romney either. If Palin gets in, I guess he’d support her, but if she doesn’t I don’t see an endorsement coming from him at all.

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Ron Paul and his inner circle hate Sarah Palin’s guts and call her a Warmongerer among other things all the time. he supported Cynthia McKinney over Palin in 2008….thats not going to change.

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Sorry, I don’t follow Ron or his followers enough to know how they feel about Sarah. I assumed she was against the good old boys and that Paul may like that. So really Paul is not going to endorse then, like last election I believe (at least during the primary).

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Ron Paul’s political ally for the last 30 plus years, in contact on a regular basis

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64493.html

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August 28, 2010
Glenn Beck’s Religio-Death Rally
Posted by Lew Rockwell on August 28, 2010 11:33 AM

One might yawn at yet another anthill assembly in DC. But the purpose of Glenn Beck’s huge Lincoln-military celebration–with his fellow neocon warmonger Sarah Palin (a wholly owned subsidiary of Bill Kristol)–is to try to make all the Tea Party people obedient tools of the Republican apparatus, and detach them from Ron Paul. As usual, mass killing and patriotism undermine freedom. It’s more Armageddon-promotion in the Middle East, but the true Paulians will not be fooled. According to Glenn, blessed are the warmakers. It’s an honor to die for your country. It’s an honor to lose your limbs. It’s an honor to kill other people by the boatload. But hey, Beck, don’t just talk. Fly into Afghanistan. I’ll help pay for your parachute.

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Sorry, I don’t follow Ron or his followers enough to know how they feel about Sarah. I assumed she was against the good old boys and that Paul may like that. So really Paul is not going to endorse then, like last election I believe (at least during the primary).

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 1:50 PM

the only possible way he could, and its extremely doubtful(spend some time at LewRockwell.com and see above for example of what you will find)….is if Paul and the C4L get pragmattic and play the game and try to make a push for Rand Paul in 2016 on an Isolationist platform. Endorsing Palin for payback for her endorsement of Rand Paul and when over some goodwill within the Party.

That said, their true agenda is to destroy the GOP and Conservatism as we know it and replace it with Far-Left, Extreme Left, Foreign Policy and tie it to Anarcho-Capitalism.

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:54 PM

If Romney wins the nomination it will be very hard for me to vote for him in the general election after his tactics over SS.

jhffmn on September 12, 2011 at 2:05 PM

kerrhome on September 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I couldn’t see him endorsing Mitt Perry maybe. Palin he could as Palin supported his son in KY. which is how I think the endorsment would come. From Rand Paul not really Ron Paul. that way a lot of ron’s baggage doesn’t follow with his endorsment. And if Rand Paul endorses Palin after ron drops out of the race it will be seen by many as a PAul endorsement. It would also raise Rand’s statue in the GOP base.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM

jp on September 12, 2011 at 1:54 PM

It’s a shame those folks didn’t notice she tossed out the neocon who was her foreign policy adviser and replaced him with a paleocon.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Really? Why?

Cindy Munford on September 12, 2011 at 2:16 PM

It’s a shame those folks didn’t notice she tossed out the neocon who was her foreign policy adviser and replaced him with a paleocon.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I wouldn’t say he’s exactly a paleocon (very loaded term), but he’s definitely not a neocon either (also a very loaded term).

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/03/palin-outlines-doctrine-for-use-of-force-picks-new-foreign-policy-adviser/

steebo77 on September 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I don’t even support her and I refer to her as Mrs. Palin or SP-because to call her by here first named or her girls basketball handle is disrespectful.
She’s not your bestest buddy. You aren’t meeting her today for a chat @ Starbucks.
Rick Perry doesn’t know me from Eve. Mrs. Palin doesn’t know you from Adam.
‘Nuff with the ‘Cuda crap.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 12, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Nope. I’m not biting. This is one of those crazy fishing deals, right?

Dongemaharu on September 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Well, I’m impressed. She didn’t put sarc tags behind it or some kind of emoticon and just said it.

You go grrrl. Say what you mean and mean what you say!

kim roy on September 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM

If Perry looks like he’ll be in the lead, expect the establishment to nudge Sarah Palin in the race to dilute his votes. Romney will end up taking the nomination.

This is a simple chess game.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM

If Romney wins the nomination it will be very hard for me to vote for him in the general election after his tactics over SS.

jhffmn on September 12, 2011 at 2:05 PM

If Perry wins the nomination, he’ll lose Florida.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:27 PM

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Palin doesn’t take nudges from the Establishment. If she gets in she’s in it to win it.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Peter Swceizer is far from a paleocon. Read his work….the paultards are in total alignment with code pink.

jp on September 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

If Perry looks like he’ll be in the lead, expect the establishment to nudge Sarah Palin in the race to dilute his votes. Romney will end up taking the nomination.

This is a simple chess game.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM

So now Sarah Palin is the GOP establishment’s stalking horse against Perry?

Really?

That may be the craziest thing I’ve seen all day.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

The day’s not over yet. MJB could have another bright idea.

kingsjester on September 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM

jp on September 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Perhaps I’m not up-to-date on the actual meaning of “paleocon.” Regardless, he’s no Bill Kristol.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Here’s my beef: The American people are not primarily preoccupied with whether SS is a ponzi scheme. The GOP contenders are falling all over it because they think it’s a winning debate point for them, but it really just makes them look out of touch. SS isn’t even the big entitlement problem, that would be Medicare. And even those two programs aren’t what is hindering the economy. Overregulation is the big problem right now.

I think our 2012 contenders aren’t very good at putting their fingers on what really makes the American people tick. Ths is why there’s a huge opening for Palin; others will spend a lot of oxygen on SS-as-ponzi-scheme and she’ll breeze right through with a message that actually resonates.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:42 PM

That may be the craziest thing I’ve seen all day.

Brian1972 on September 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Perry getting into the race helped Palin and hurt mitt and Bachmann. Palin getting into the race will hurt Perry and by extention help mitt and destroy Bachmann.

who is an unknown stalking horse for whom is an open discussion. But neither of them are knowing stalking horses for the others.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 2:42 PM

If Perry wins the nomination, he’ll lose Florida.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Why would you say that? Perry said those on SS have nothing to worry about. The democrats already have a lock on those who lack basic reading comprehension.

jhffmn on September 12, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Perhaps I’m not up-to-date on the actual meaning of “paleocon.” Regardless, he’s no Bill Kristol.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM

more of a Reagancon who tried to thread the needle between the two groups

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 2:43 PM

When asked to choose between leadership and pandering, most people will choose leadership.

Yep, that’s what I’ve been saying. To all the Trolls – told ya so

Perry won that Exchange on SS with Romney, calling it a Ponzi Scheme is exactly what most Americans (not just GOP voters) think of it as. It is winning rhetoric.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Perry won that Exchange on SS with Romney, calling it a Ponzi Scheme is exactly what most Americans (not just GOP voters) think of it as. It is winning rhetoric.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

It is completely irrelevant rhetoric. It’s a debate point. That’s the problem.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Imagine a world where old, stale social security and mediscare tactics used by the Dems no longer have much of an effect. Isn’t it great. Rush has been touching on this. The new crop of retirees seem to finally know that these old arguments are the same old B.S. and they’re sick of hearing it.

kscheuller on September 12, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Why would you say that? Perry said those on SS have nothing to worry about. The democrats already have a lock on those who lack basic reading comprehension.

jhffmn on September 12, 2011 at 2:42 PM

That’s a load of bull. You can’t pay those already or about to be on SS if you divert the young population’s money that’s going to pay for the old into private accounts. That’s simply a politician’s promise and anyone with two brain cells can figure that one out.

Perry is right about SS being a Ponzi scheme, but that’s precisely why drastically reforming it like private accounts will screw the elderly and Boomers. The only thing we can do now is raise the retirement age.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:55 PM

It is completely irrelevant rhetoric. It’s a debate point. That’s the problem.

alwaysfiredup on September 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM

No that was not the “problem”, the problem for people complaining here and in the media was that it was too “extremist”.

It is not extremist when most people agree with it and it is not irrelevant when it strengthens your image as a candidate and forces people to take a look at how SS is structured. He will have to expand his criticism from here to something more substantive as the election goes on but for now it is both winning and relevant to call SS a Ponzi scheme.

Also, he was directly asked about calling it a Ponzi scheme in his book and he stuck by what he said. When you are directly asked about something in a debate, it is relevant.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 3:10 PM

If Perry looks like he’ll be in the lead, expect the establishment to nudge Sarah Palin in the race to dilute his votes. Romney will end up taking the nomination.

This is a simple chess game.

haner on September 12, 2011

I don’t know. The acrid, stinging backfire just may touch off tinder powder inside Lefties heads, causing explosions from Harvard to Berkeley.

JonPrichard on September 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM

The only thing we can do now is raise the retirement age.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 2:55 PM

not really. there are other things that can be done. like taking diability out of the prgram and placing that under welfare. you could raise the cap on the income that pays into it, you can cut benifits and or the growth of those benifits. rasing the age of retirement is one of this quick fixes that appear to be less politcally damaging. Perry wants to retunr it to the stats adn do away with it. that would be another option but I doubt it will fly.

you could call in thos IOU’s the SS trust fund has and use those to pay for the prinvate accounts. You could take over the IRA’s and 401k’s and make them into one big SS nightmare. there are several ways out there that can be used. I’m not sayi g any are good but ther eis several ways to “fix” SS.

besides just increasing the age of retirement.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 3:10 PM

I doubt this poll shows the effect of the attacks on his position yet. Yes it was taken after the debate but like bachmann’s migranes where polls taken right after that story broke didn’t really capture the damage done. That shows up in the weeks ahead. It should be worrying that Perry’s forward moentuem appears to have stopped which is what the attack on SS was designed to do. Time will tell if it reverses Perry’s numbers I think the follow on attacks on his other non conservative positions like open borders which Mitt has already shown he is ready to use will do that. Perry loses 5pts or so Mitt gets 3 or 4pts and Palin gets a 5-8pt bounce and its anyone’s ballgame.

This isn’t over by a long shot.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 3:18 PM

not really. there are other things that can be done. like taking diability out of the prgram and placing that under welfare. you could raise the cap on the income that pays into it, you can cut benifits and or the growth of those benifits. rasing the age of retirement is one of this quick fixes that appear to be less politcally damaging. Perry wants to retunr it to the stats adn do away with it. that would be another option but I doubt it will fly.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Perry’s plan to have states managing retirement is a horrible idea. Just imagine what some of the blue states will do to their retirement plan; just look at the track record of their pension plans and now expand that by 10 fold. Tens of millions of Republicans live in those blue states too. This plan in a generation would make the Greece bankruptcy look like child’s play.

The idea of raising the retirement age is simply following the intention of SS as it was created. When SS was created and the retirement age set at 65, the average life expectancy was just 64. Setting it to 69 gradually is a no-brainer.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM

It should be worrying that Perry’s forward moentuem appears to have stopped which is what the attack on SS was designed to do. Time will tell if it reverses Perry’s numbers I think the follow on attacks on his other non conservative positions like open borders which Mitt has already shown he is ready to use will do that. Perry loses 5pts or so Mitt gets 3 or 4pts and Palin gets a 5-8pt bounce and its anyone’s ballgame.

This isn’t over by a long shot.

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 3:18 PM

You know what would really cause Palin’s numbers to bounce?

If she got in the race.

fossten on September 12, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Perry’s plan to have states managing retirement is a horrible idea. Just imagine what some of the blue states will do to their retirement plan; just look at the track record of their pension plans and now expand that by 10 fold. Tens of millions of Republicans live in those blue states too. This plan in a generation would make the Greece bankruptcy look like child’s play.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM

With states managing the system, how would problems regarding those who move between states or earn income in more than on state be resolved? I think it would get pretty messy pretty quick.

steebo77 on September 12, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Perry won that Exchange on SS with Romney, calling it a Ponzi Scheme is exactly what most Americans (not just GOP voters) think of it as. It is winning rhetoric.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Mitt was also the last on board to admit that methanol is a scam. Even Iowans are ok with that.

pedestrian on September 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

I won’t be begging for shit. I will continue to move along each day like always.

chief on September 12, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Same here. But Palin pulls 15% when 90% of voters assume she’s not running? If she gets in, I’d say the polls two weeks afterward would look something like: Palin 28%, Perry 21%, Romney 19%. Place your bets.

ddrintn on September 12, 2011 at 5:08 PM

unseen on September 12, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The attacks began immediately after the debate and Perry was hammered by the Romney campaign, the media and then the Bachmann campaign and his numbers not only held up, but have edged up as far as this poll is concerned. Perry is clearly winning this for standing his ground and speaking truth to power.

I don’t know how you choose to read polls, but there is nothing concerning or worrying about this poll and “forward momentum”. Romney should be wetting himself because his grand strategy of running on electability has done nothing for him since Wednesday.

As for Palin, I’ll focus on her numbers when she is actually in the race.

Mitt was also the last on board to admit that methanol is a scam. Even Iowans are ok with that.

pedestrian on September 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Methanol, lol, I like it. You’re right, yet more pandering by Romney.

haner on September 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I’ve seen you make this argument before and I have to ask, do you actually think you’re convincing anyone? As a conservative and proponent of States Rights, I say who gives a fig if the Blue States screw up people’s retirement? Maybe then they will finally be held accountable and people will wake up as they seem to be doing in Wisconsin.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

speaking truth to power.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

That’s one overused phrase. Perry IS power.

ddrintn on September 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM

It is kind of interesting that no one is even close to 50%. It kind of makes you wonder what people are waiting for.

Terrye on September 12, 2011 at 5:59 PM

That’s one overused phrase. Perry IS power.

ddrintn on September 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM

They all are, but he’s being honest with himself and us.

Daemonocracy on September 12, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Wow! I was anxiously awaiting polls taken after last week’s “Ponzi scheme” debate. I’m thrilled.

Can’t wait for tonight’s Attack-Perry-the-Pinata debate.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 12, 2011 at 6:15 PM

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