What Would Gore Have Done? (WWGHD)

posted at 9:27 am on September 10, 2011 by Karl

In advance of the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, 60 Minutes and Vanity Fair commissioned a poll asking Americans how different they think the world would be if our response had been led not by George W. Bush but by Al Gore, Jr. A 56 percent majority responded they really did not think anything would be different, breaking down as 57 percent of Republicans, 62 percent of Independents, and even 48 percent of Democrats. Two progessive pundits surprised by these results gave their own speculation, but reached quite different conclusions.

At The Hill, Brent Budowski took the route of pure partisan hackery, despite the sensitivity of the topic:

If Al Gore had won, for starters: Had Gore been briefed by intelligence officers as Bush was in August 2001 about terrorist planes attacking buildings, Gore would have put our services on red alert and might well have prevented 9/11.

Budowski has either not read the 9/11 Commission Report on this subject or not understood it, so I will put this in terms he will understand: If other, much smarter, partisan Democrats on the Commission could not figure out a way to credibly blame Bush for 9/11 based on the events of August 2001, Brent Budowski has zero chance of doing so. But Budowski he blundered onward, arguing that even if 9/11 had happened:

Gore would never have made the blunder of invading Iraq. Those American lives of troops KIA would have been saved. He would have focused on Afghanistan, which would have been won for keeps most likely by 2003.

Clearly, Budowski has read neither the history of military operations by great powers in Afghanistan, nor studies on the typical length of wars of counter-insurgency. However, let’s focus on Budowsky’s one-sentence dismissal of the Iraq question.

Salon’s Steve Kornacki examined this question at length and reached the conclusion that Gore might well have invaded Iraq after the 9/11 attacks. Kornacki begins by remembering both Saddam Hussein’s villain status and how easy war seemed after our first confrontation with Saddam.

Kornacki recalls that Pres. Clinton “approved some airstrikes, and signed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which put the US government on record supporting regime change.” It would be more accurate to note Clinton approved Operation Desert Fox with the goal of degrading Saddam’s ability to make and to use weapons of mass destruction.

Kornacki observes that Gore, like Bush, would have been hearing loud, influential, non-conservative voices — including (but not limited to, I would add) Joe Lieberman, Marty Peretz, Tom Friedman and Peter Beinart — calling for Saddam’s removal. Kornacki fails to note that Gore was one of many prominent Democratic officials emphasizing the threat posed by Saddam and his WMD programs during this period. However, Kornacki does note that as a Senator, Gore had positioned himself as “one of his party’s foremost hawks,” adding that:

when he announced his opposition to Bush’s war push in the fall of ’02, Gore endorsed the basic goal of removing Hussein and securing his (supposed) WMD stockpiles. What he objected to was more the go-it-alone nature of Bush’s approach. In other words, you could also argue that Gore, still stung by the 2000 election outcome, may have been motivated in some way by his desire to stage a big, principled fight with Bush — and that a different result in ’00 might have produced a different, more hawkish response from Gore, one that would have led to … an invasion of Iraq.

Kornacki gives a counter-argument to that, as well as a rejoiner to his counter-argument, so RTWT. However, Kornacki also misses a rather basic supporting argument in favor of the thesis that Gore would have invaded Iraq. Although I feel sure I have written something roughly similar elsewhere, I have been unable to find it via search engine, and so reproduce it here.

Consider, as Kornacki correctly does, Gore’s relatively hawkish history and support for the Clinton administration’s prior attacks on Iraq. On 9/11, Gore would likely have had the same basic reaction that Bush likely had. Whatever you thought your job was on 9/10, your mission was now set for you. You would feel a moral (and political) imperative to try to prevent another 9/11. And it would not take very long for it occur to you that the only thing worse than another 9/11 would be a terror attack with weapons of mass destruction.

On the first point, the immediate response was fairly obvious — to destroy Al Qaeda’s operations in Afghanistan, as well as the Taliban government that supported them. But future attacks might not have an obvious signature, so what would an administration do?

Cabinet officials would give the president — Bush or Gore — the list of nations supporting terrorism and the list of nations with or pursuing WMDs. Much attention would be paid to the part of the Venn diagram where those lists overlap. The resulting list would seem fairly manageable. Afghanistan’s neighbor, Pakistan, is nuclear — but could be strongarmed into cooperating lest it become the secondary target of the obvious war to come in Afghanistan. Libya supported terrorists and was pursuing WMDs, but almost immediately entered into negotiations to cooperate; it would ultimately renounce WMD efforts around the time the US invaded Iraq. This would leave the now-familiar troika of North Korea, Iran and Iraq.

As Kornacki noted, Gore’s objection in the real world was the supposed unilateralism of Bush’s invasion (it wasn’t unilateral, but whatevs). In the alternate dimension, faced with the axis of evil, and based on Saddam’s long rap sheet at the UN, wouldn’t a Pres. Gore have seen Iraq as the most likely candidate for getting that UN stamp of approval, just as Bush undoubtedly did? And after a few months getting jerked around in the UNSC, would a Pres. Gore simply thrown up his hands and told the American people that he simply had to accept a French, Russian or Chinese veto of his efforts? It seems… unlikely.

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Released his shakra? Or maybe his bowels?

honsy on September 10, 2011 at 9:37 AM

It makes me want to upchuck to think of that idiot in charge of this country – period!

Bambi on September 10, 2011 at 9:38 AM

If Al Gore had won, for starters: Had Gore been briefed by intelligence officers as Bush was in August 2001 about terrorist planes attacking buildings, Gore would have put our services on red alert and might well have prevented 9/11.

As I recall, Al Gore was the Vice President in the 8 years leading up to 9/11. He was getting intelligence briefings, and yet did nothing to prevent 9/11 or put in place systems to make our response to terror attacks more efficient. In fact, Gore was part of the administration that made an event like 9/11 more likely to happen, by installing morons like Jaime Gorelick in key positions in our intelligence apparatus.

AZCoyote on September 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Released his shakra? Or maybe his bowels?

honsy on September 10, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Maybe both?

darwin on September 10, 2011 at 9:41 AM

As I recall, Al Gore was the Vice President in the 8 years leading up to 9/11.

AZCoyote on September 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM

That’s right. He should have already been on top of things, Clinton as well.

darwin on September 10, 2011 at 9:43 AM

President Al Gore would have immediately surrendered the country to our enemies. At least it would have been quick. Not like the slow motion surrender President Obama has us in.

Tommy_G on September 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM

It really is a complete waste of time to suppose what would or would not “be” if algore were President.

44Magnum on September 10, 2011 at 9:46 AM

I think Buttowski’s version of history suggests that Gore would have done the right thing….by apologizing to everyone on the planet who held some grudge against the US. The effect of this would be, here in 2011, large herds of unicorns roaming peacefully across the newly human-free wilderness areas.

Fairys, unicorns, and free everything. The 3 basic food groups of liberals.

BobMbx on September 10, 2011 at 9:46 AM

We fought al-qaeda in their backyard–not ours. We were going to be fighting them somewhere.

RBMN on September 10, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Interesting.

However, I would like to point out that Afghanistan has been the doormat of empires for eons. The fallacy that it has been the graveyard of armies has been stated far too often.

Kermit on September 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

That’s one of the worst articles ever written. The only thing he got right is that Al Gore would have never invaded Iraq. But that’s a no brainer.

SoulGlo on September 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM

I think Buttowski’s version of history suggests that Gore would have done the right thing….by apologizing to everyone on the planet who held some grudge against the US.
BobMbx on September 10, 2011 at 9:46 AM

We tried that strategy when we elected Barry Hussein Obama and he went on his worldwide apology tour — bowing and scraping before every tin pot dictator in the world, and giving his infamous “Cairo speech.” Cairo is now under the control of Islamofascists, whose brethren-in-arms are burning down the Israeli embassy there even as I type this.

Appeasement never works. When are we going to learn?

AZCoyote on September 10, 2011 at 9:56 AM

For starters, Gore would have commissioned a secret and elite band of unicorn riding eco-soldiers, who would have won the war on terror long ago using their uncanny weather abilities overthrow all terror. After which the world would have come together and disbanded all technology for the sake of Gaia. (except for the internet of course, which holds a special place in Gore’s heart)

Koa on September 10, 2011 at 10:02 AM

AZCoyote ~

The burning of the Israeli flag in the pic attached to this story is symbolic of what they would like to do to Jews. Is there any doubt as to why the Jewish population of Egypt that had reached closed to 100,000 in the 1930′s today stands at a handful?

honsy on September 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM

(except for the internet of course, which holds a special place in Gore’s heart)

Koa on September

. . . and which allows him to release his shakra when no masseuse is available. ;)

honsy on September 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Gore’s objection in the real world was the supposed unilateralism of Bush’s invasion (it wasn’t unilateral, but whatevs).

I have a slightly different take on this part. While I agree that had Gore been President on 9-11 he would have gotten much the same advice from the Federal bureaucracy, I think his objection to the Iraq War was purely opportunistic partisan hackery derived from a personal desire for revenge, and a need to remain relevant once the 9-11 Era dislodged the Clinton Era and pushed Albert Gore Jr to the back of most American’s minds.

How many people do you remember in Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec 2001 were still whining about the 2000 election being stolen?

I don’t believe he objected out of any principle he held, I think he found one that would serve his more personal and vain agenda and went with that. He needed to stay relevant so he could get his Green Scheme up and running as well.

In short, I agree with your conclusions that not much would have been different, mainly because I think Gore isn’t a leader. He would have just followed the advice he was given out of fear of screwing things up because he really wouldn’t have known what to do himself.

He is such a phony poseur he really does make me ashamed he once represented my state in the US Senate.

At least Tennessee had the good sense to vote the other way in 2000.

Brian1972 on September 10, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Hi Karl;

President Gore would have done what President Obama is doing:

caved in to the radicals who are on the rise all across the globe because Obama has appeased them and attacked our allies like Israel.

yup:

THE WORLD IS A MORE DANGEROUS PLACE AS A RESULT OF OBAMA POLICIES AND ACTIONS:

* GETTING TOUGHER ON ISRAEL THAN ISRAEL’S ENEMIES

* INVITING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TO HIS CAIRO SPEECH

* ANNOUNCING WITHDRAWAL DEADLINES

* STANDING BY AND DOING NOTHING BUT WATCHING AS IRANIANS REBELLED AGAINST THEIR THEOCRATIC TYRANTS STOLE AN ELECTION

* ABANDIONING MUBARAK THE WAY CARTER ABANDONED THE SHAH

* BACKING LIBYAN REBELS WHICH INCLUDES AL QAEDA

EACH ONE OF THESE ACTIONS WAS A CHOICE; OBAMA DIDN’T HAVE TO DO ANY ONE OF THEM – BUT HE CHOSE TO.

AND NONE WERE DECIDED OR ENACTED IN A SOLITARY VACUUM: THEY ALL HAD THE EXPLOCIT APPROVAL OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY BUREAUCRATIC APPARATUS:

HILLARY AND BILL AND GORE AND DEAN AND REID AND SCHUMER ALL STOOD BY AND APPROVED.

The last 2 Democrats who could have been trusted with our foregn policy were Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

Karl, I have been a registered Democrat since 1974. The party makes me sick – has permanently since 2001.

(I remain one because I am a Manhattan resident and the Dem primary is for all intents and purposes the general election.)

reliapundit on September 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Budowski suffers from a prominent disease of the left; selective amnesia.

GarandFan on September 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM

President Al Gore would have immediately surrendered the country to our enemies. At least it would have been quick. Not like the slow motion surrender President Obama has us in.

Tommy_G on September 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Yup, Gore would have planted a white flag and I’d be wearing a burka right now.

Fallon on September 10, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I asked myself this same question 10 years ago.
When I figured out the answer (commissions, investigations, bloviating) I started my transformation into a conservative.

Anton on September 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM

There is a truly sickening yet collective instinct of the Left to reduce the lives of the military down to an inhuman statistic to be measured against an argued fault of a leader that is not accepted by their less than factual standards of competency. Suddenly, the sum of the war dead reaches a sense of weight and abstract currency for argument. This has been absent since Obama has been president since it backfires on them in their own pathetic way of thinking. The fact that these are the lives of fellow Americans that have sacrificed and suffered and deserve respect and to be honored escapes the self serving Leftist mind totally.

Hening on September 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM

If Al Gore was President

With VRWC in place how could that be? There was no way this was possible.

antisocial on September 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM

The alternatives of history reveal themselves only to fools.

SlaveDog on September 10, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Let’s see, the top 2 reasons Al Qaida gave for being mad at are both about our blockade of Iraq.(IE The blockade of Iraq itself and the fact we had troops in Saudia Arabia to actually do the blockade) How you tackle them and do nothing about the Iraq situation is beyond me.

Dave_d on September 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM

He would have gone all poodle sex crazy on their azzez.

hawkdriver on September 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Being rational and fisking these false arguments is not the answer to these thinly veiled attacks, which serve not to win aguments but to turn the irrational (or arational) folks into emotional salivating voters.

It has worked far too well, exposing the real flaw in the very concept of representative democracy -the inept voter, the selfish voter, the special interest group voter, the envyous voter, the parasitical voter, the ignorant voter, the race based voter, the anti-America voter etc.

You can’t make a good stew with rotted ingredients.

Don L on September 10, 2011 at 10:23 AM

He would have focused on Afghanistan, which would have been won for keeps most likely by 2003.

LOL What hackery.

Dr Evil on September 10, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Gore would have given us Vietnam in AfPac but on steroids, something we’ve narrowly avoided so far. Instead of fighting against a liberation front supported by China we would have multiple religious factions supported by multiple outside nations all determined to kill all Americans everywhere in the world, the nightmare escalation scenario.

Gore is a collective disease clone, condescending and very limited in tolerance, like VC and NVA, they’re not so difficult to predict.

Speakup on September 10, 2011 at 10:29 AM

He would have gone all poodle sex crazy on their azzez.

hawkdriver on September 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM

That’s the ticket.

It surprises me, that these pundits don’t get how close crackpots like Gore & Edwards, got to the highest office in the land.

They should just say whew close call, wipe the sweat off their foreheads, and thank Jesus.

Dr Evil on September 10, 2011 at 10:31 AM

One thing we do know, at least Gore would have purchased carbon credits to offset any global warming caused by any war he started. Excuse me while I go brush my unicorn.

dirtseller on September 10, 2011 at 10:31 AM

As I recall, Al Gore was the Vice President in the 8 years leading up to 9/11. He was getting intelligence briefings, and yet did nothing to prevent 9/11 or put in place systems to make our response to terror attacks more efficient. In fact, Gore was part of the administration that made an event like 9/11 more likely to happen, by installing morons like Jaime Gorelick in key positions in our intelligence apparatus.

AZCoyote on September 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Don’t forget how Algore caved to the airline industry in 1996.

From its inception, the commission took a hands-on approach to its work. President Clinton announced the formation of the commission on July 25, 1996 and a few days later, Vice President Al Gore, commission chairman, led a site visit to Dulles International Airport where he and other commissioners saw airport and airline operations firsthand, and discussed issues with front line workers. This was the first of dozens of such visits. Over the next six months, the commission visited facilities throughout the United States and in various locations abroad.

The Gore Commission held six public meetings, hearing from over fifty witnesses representing a cross section of the aviation industry and the public, including families of victims of air disasters. Recognizing the global nature of aviation, the commission cosponsored an International Conference on Aviation Safety and Security with the George Washington University. More than 700 representatives from sixty-one countries attended.

There were a number of recommendations made the by Gore Commission, whose commissioners included family members of the victims of Flight 800. The recommendations included several measures to improve screening company performance, including a national job grade structure for screeners/security officers and meaningful measures to reward employees. It also called for airlines to hire security companies on the basis of performance, not the lowest bidder.

The Gore Commission called for criminal background and FBI fingerprint checks for all airport and airline workers who screen passengers for weapons or have access to secure areas. The airlines industry had long opposed mandatory criminal checks.

Two weeks later, as reported in the Boston Globe, Gore retreated from his own commission’s proposals…

in a letter to Carol B. Hallett, president of the industry’s trade group, the Air Transport Association.

I want to make it very clear that it is not the intent of this administration or of the commission to create a hardship for the air transportation industry or to cause inconvenience to the traveling public,’‘ Gore wrote. To reassure Hallett, Gore added that the FAA would develop ”a draft test concept … in full partnership with representatives of the airline industry.”

The day after Gore’s letter to the Air Transport Association, Trans World Airlines donated $40,000 to the Democrat National Committee. By the time of the presidential election, other airlines had poured large donations into Democrat Party committees: $265,000 from American Airlines, $120,000 from Delta Air Lines, $115,000 from United Air Lines, $87,000 from Northwest Airlines, according to an analysis done for the Boston Globe by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks donations. A total of $627,000 was donated to the Democrats by major airlines.

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2011 at 10:35 AM

He would have focused on Afghanistan, which would have been won for keeps most likely by 2003.

I think it was the book Horse Soldiers, that chronicled our first in after the September 11th attacks, I read the Pentagon had no war plan for Afghanistan on the shelf if they did it was really dusty, and out dated.

These pundits don’t have any clue what dropping our folks into Afghanistan was like. All they have to do is pick up a copy of Horse Soldiers. Or they could ask Johnny Spann’s widow, parents and children.

Dr Evil on September 10, 2011 at 10:37 AM

A bit OT but…

Al Gore wants to borrow your Facebook and Twitter accounts
Plans 72-hour green spam avalanche for your followers

By Brid-Aine Parnell • Get more from this author

Would you trust someone else with your Facebook account, giving them enough access to post status updates on your behalf? What if that person was Al Gore and it was all for a good cause?

Yes, the latest frontier in online activism has been breached by Gore and the kids over at the Climate Reality Project, who want you to donate your Facebook and/or Twitter account so they can force your friends to be as active as you are in fighting the Green fight.

The donation would give the folks over there the opportunity to update and tweet from your accounts the day before, after and of the “24 hours of reality” event on 14 September, when the project will broadcast climate change stories at 7pm in every timezone from 24 cities around the world.
http://tinyurl.com/3npdg3o

Deanna on September 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

I think Gore would have airdropped thousands of AFL-CIO members into Afghanistan in an effort to unionize the Taliban. Plus, he would have airdropped millions of leaflets in Iraq warning of climate change, melting ice and stuff.

darwin on September 10, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Deanna on September 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

These people will never stop.

darwin on September 10, 2011 at 10:54 AM

What Would Gore Have Done?

Thank you, Jesus!! There are indeed miracles in this world of ours.

Far far better to speculate at what failed candidate-Gore would have done than to try to recover from the consequences had elected-Gore done anything.

coldwarrior on September 10, 2011 at 11:04 AM

The CIA must be experimenting with a new hallucinogenic compound on those leftist journalists.

chemman on September 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Algore would have apologized to the hijackers for having those two towers in their flight path.

kurtzz3 on September 10, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Al Gore is a self-riteoous scumbag.

Kenosha Kid on September 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Oh please.

Gore would have issued an apology to all the Muslims in the world for the United States being the evil Satan she is.

Then he would have forced NYC to build a great big freaking windmill covered with solar panels in the footprints of WTC.

ButterflyDragon on September 10, 2011 at 12:10 PM

In fact, Gore was part of the administration that made an event like 9/11 more likely to happen, by installing morons like Jaime Gorelick in key positions in our intelligence apparatus.

AZCoyote on September 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM

If I had my way, Gorelick would be barred from holding or even applying for any government job whatsover, all the way down to street-cleaner, for the rest of her life. And if anyone ever proves that reincarnation is real, for the entirety of her next life, too.

Bigfoot on September 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Everybody I know, including many leftys, were pretty damn happy Bush was in office and not Gore.

Blake on September 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

What would Gore have done? Thank God we never had to find out.

RebeccaH on September 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

What Would Gore Have Done

* America’s lights would be out and there would be no communication or Internet because there would be no electricity to power them. There would be mass starvation because of the lack of refrigeration and transportation (no oil or gas).

* The government would be busily knocking down the rest of the tall buildings in New York and other major cities, lest they offend our enemies.

landlines on September 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

What ever he would have done, it would have been brilliant according to the ministers of propaganda.

borntoraisehogs on September 10, 2011 at 12:56 PM

AlGore would have lost his mind the same way he did when he lost the election.

This guy’s actions border on treason…. contesting an election he knew he lost to undermine the country and then making up AGW and profiting from it.

Eff him.

roux on September 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM

I’m no fan of Algore. I don’t think he was as crazy as he is now until the whole 2000 election fiasco, though. I really think that pushed him over the edge.

trigon on September 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Kornacki observes that Gore, like Bush, would have been hearing loud, influential, non-conservative voices — including (but not limited to, I would add) Joe Lieberman, Marty Peretz, Tom Friedman and Peter Beinart — calling for Saddam’s removal. Kornacki fails to note that Gore was one of many prominent Democratic officials emphasizing the threat posed by Saddam and his WMD programs during this period. However, Kornacki does note that as a Senator, Gore had positioned himself as “one of his party’s foremost hawks,”

Is this guy an idiot? Leading up the invasion of Iraq, Gore voiced very loud and vocal opposition to any military attack of Iraq as a response to 9-11. It’s just as amusing to hear another observer claim that American posturing under Clinton amounted to a specific set of policy goals. Talk about selectively picking facts.

As for important voices calling for an invasion of Iraq, there were few in the intelligence community. This was pure neo-con adventurism with the intent of spreading democracy through the Middle East by military campaign.

bayam on September 10, 2011 at 3:04 PM

60 Minutes and Vanity Fair commissioned a poll asking Americans how different they think the world would be if our response had been led not by George W. Bush but by Al Gore, Jr.

Every now and again I wonder how different it would have been had flight 93, that was crashed by Heroes into the Pennsylvania countryside had instead flown to it’s possible destination, the Capitol, and killed a few hundred Democrat politicians and aides.

RJL on September 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM

for keeps

Are you willing to pinkie swear on that?

BDavis on September 10, 2011 at 4:40 PM

If Gore had lost we’d have had a Republican President in 2004, possibly Rudy (the hero of 9/11) or John McCain.

amazingmets on September 10, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Al Gore would not have seen anything coming as the establishment as the Clinton Administration had run it was designed not to see things coming. After the first WTC attack the only plot they thwarted was the Landmarks attack, later that year. They didn’t see that Somalia was a state that had decayed into pure warlordism with a number of warlords getting foreign terror backing. That didn’t work out so well. They saw neither the African Embassy bombings nor the OKC attack and the latter was more telling as the Michigan Militia had reporte McVeigh for his activites there after they threw him out of the militia.

They did not see the Khobar Towers attack coming nor the USS Cole attack.

That Administration did nothing to confront Afghanistan under the Taliban, nor the Saudis for their terror funding. But then no President has done that to-date, either, as it would mean walking away from Saudi oil.

The Clintonites did do a good job in helping Colombia against FARC, and Bill was nearly taken out by FARC on a State visit there in 2000. You would think that would have gotten him out of his slumber, but then he was on the way out anyway.

So he wouldn’t have seen 9/11 coming as the Administration had a poor track record of seeing ANYTHING coming its way. And Al Gore would have been stuck with hold-overs, like Bush, and many of them would be asked to keep their jobs, no doubt, so the incompetence would have continued.

No one was going to ‘win’ Afghanistan as no one had any plan to get a second real supply line to there and then fight the locals utilizing Mountain Warfare. We do practice some of that, but not enough to make a difference and it is vital that the entire campaign revolve around the lessons of MW throughout history. No one at the war colleges put that together as a curriculum, however, and it never got into TRADOC so… no one had a clue on how to plan for a war there. And we still don’t.

Would he have gone after Saddam? Remember that his outside the office responses are made just there: out of office. Inside the Oval Office is a very different place than outside it, and Gore had been getting INTEL on what Saddam was trying to do for years after Desert Storm: helping any terror organization that came to him, soliticing help from terror linked regimes like the Sudan, helping out the PLO terrorists, and generally having an open-door policy to terrorists of any stripe. Gore would either have to go after him, go after other al Qaeda clients (Somalia, Kenya, Sudan, Algeria, Yemen, and HAMAS in the Palestinian territories… and the Balkans where al Qaeda was starting to set up shop, as well) to try and break up the network. That would have been very costly. And as Saddam had already made a safe haven for al Qaeda operatives in Iraq, remnants of broken al Qaeda groups had a place to run to. His choice would either be removing the semi-competent dictatorship of Iraq or going after lesser cell organizations and then having to confront Iraq anyway.

That is if he was up to that task.

I couldn’t vote for the man as I didn’t think he was up to it at the time. And I didn’t think Bush was much better.

Alternate history is based on contingencies, those often tell more than the narrative can ever hold… you cannot wishcast from the known, however, and it takes a lot to make a bureaucracy change its path, which is why its easier to abolish them than to ‘reform’ them. That system that was in place was going to limit options no end no matter WHO was in office.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM

RJL on September 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM

I think the building was evacuated by the eta of 93.

But you have an interesting question for a thread. For example, I wonder if Maxine Waters would go straight to …well, you know.

IlikedAUH2O on September 10, 2011 at 7:22 PM

reliapundit on September 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Isn’t it awful to be surrounded by lefties? I have to deal with some smart, successful ones.

Be patient and talk to liberals. Have a plan to actually help people and not just cut taxes or bust unions.

Neither party has much imagination right now. Put some time in on sites for Canter, Ryan and the candidates. Join the CATO INSTITUTE and find ideas or articulate arguments.

I am communicating all this because libs NEVER do research on actually solving problems. I kill them since I have actual plans and facts.

Dear Leader ain’t so sexy when they realize that he is leading a lot of poor folks deeper into poverty while tossing money at high paid construction workers.

IlikedAUH2O on September 10, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Gore is one of the most clueless asshats in American political history.

Metro on September 10, 2011 at 7:34 PM

The only way to win a war quickly in Afghanistan is to Nuke ‘um till they glow and shoot them in the dark.

Slowburn on September 10, 2011 at 8:52 PM

There aren’t too may people I fantasize about fighting to the death, but chief among them? Jamie Gorelick. That woman has done tremendous damage to our nation.

I’d never hit a woman, but I’ll sock a b!tch.

radioboyatl on September 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I will be eternally grateful that Bush/Cheney were in charge that fateful day ten years ago…

StarLady on September 10, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Every now and again I wonder how different it would have been had flight 93, that was crashed by Heroes into the Pennsylvania countryside had instead flown to it’s possible destination, the Capitol, and killed a few hundred Democrat politicians and aides.

RJL on September 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM

It hurts my head so bad to think about the fate of Flight 93 missing its target I can’t even watch or read anything about it. I know those heroic people on that plane did not die in vain, but it really galls me that those creep pols standing on the steps the day or so after in a show of togetherness (I guess that was what it was all about, but if you check out the photo you can see they are shaken and scared shitless).

I believe God has got a plan, but its hard to see and hear them same pols bad mouthing and disrespecting our country these past 10 years.

jarhead0311 on September 10, 2011 at 11:09 PM

If Al Gore had won, for starters: Had Gore been briefed by intelligence officers as Bush was in August 2001 about terrorist planes attacking buildings, Gore would have put our services on red alert and might well have prevented 9/11.

So if Gore had ordered a review of all the AQ reports 1993 thru Jan 2001 and had been read an Aug, (sometime after the 20th) 1998 PDB that OBL wanted to strike back at the USA in the USA as retaliation for our Aug, 20th 1998 Cruise Missile attack on his Afghanistan camps or the CNN report that quoted OBL’s pledge to strike the USA in the USA, Gore would have known to leap into action on Sep. 11 2001?

Wow! That Gore is so smart!

Kornacki recalls that Pres. Clinton “approved some airstrikes, and signed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which put the US government on record supporting regime change.” It would be more accurate to note Clinton approved Operation Desert Fox with the goal of degrading Saddam’s ability to make and to use weapons of mass destruction.

And those would be the WMD’s that the 2004 David Kay report found that there were no WMD’s after 1994, meaning there were no WMD’s in 1998 or 2003.

DSchoen on September 11, 2011 at 3:41 AM

Ever wonder how the idea that Saddam was linked to 9/11 came about?
Could it have be presumed common knowledge that OBL and Saddam were in fact working together?
“The David Letterman Show”
September 17, 2001

Dan Rather, anchorman for CBS News, appears on The David Letterman Show shortly after 9-11.  The show had been off the air for a week.

Below are transcript excerpts.

RATHER: President Bush made what I think is his strongest statement yet when he went to the Pentagon this afternoon.  He was Giuliani-esque — I don’t think he would mind me saying that, no.  He looked the camera straight in the eye — unblinking — and said “Osama Dead or Alive.”

[Audience applause]

RATHER: And with what we’re dealing with here, which is not one man [Bin Laden], it’s a hydra-headed operation that’s in 55 countries around the world.  Now granted, the focus is on, and we should understand, not just Afghanistan — Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya.

RATHER: They hate America.  They hate us.  This is one thing that makes this war different.  They don’t want territory, they don’t want what we got — they want to kill us and destroy us.  It’s a heavy statement, but it’s true — they seek to accomplish our death.  Death as a people, as a society, and a culture.

LETTERMAN: Why?

RATHER: Who can explain madmen, and who can explain evil.

RATHER: Saddam Hussein, if he isn’t connect to this, he’s connected to any other things.  He’s part of this ‘Hate America’ thing.  You have to understand, Saddam Hussein is somebody I have sat this close, eye to eye.

LETTERMAN: The other day, Dick Cheney — who to me seemed like the real deal — Dick Cheney was talking about how counter-intelligence and espionage is dirty business, and maybe now we were going to have to get down in the mud with these people, and I thought well Holy God wasn’t that the way it was supposed to be?

RATHER: This [war] will be long, the casualties will be greater.  Let’s face it, we’ve already had more casualties, I mean five thousand of our fellow Americans have been killed already.  When we talk about casualties, we’ve suffered casualties, but there will be more.  When we send out sons and daughters into this kind of war, into this Twilight Zone that they’re going, there will be great casualties.  Now, it remains to be seen whether we have the staying power, that’s basically up to you, and me, and everybody in the audience, and every American, whether we have the staying power, whether we have the will to stay with it, is the big question.  But you say ‘Will it do anything?’  I certainly think it can, but what would we think of ourselves if we didn’t try.

RATHER: This will take years, this may very well take another four, eight, ten years.  The world’s view of us, in many places with many people, is we just don’t have the stomach to stick anything out.  Well, we were great during World War II, but this is a new generation, they’re all spoiled.
Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
Interview on “The David Letterman Show”
September 17, 2001

Naw, couldn’t be, had to be that evil Bush/Cheney cabal.

DSchoen on September 11, 2011 at 4:03 AM

Is this guy an idiot? Leading up the invasion of Iraq, Gore voiced very loud and vocal opposition to any military attack of Iraq as a response to 9-11. It’s just as amusing to hear another observer claim that American posturing under Clinton amounted to a specific set of policy goals. Talk about selectively picking facts.
As for important voices calling for an invasion of Iraq, there were few in the intelligence community. This was pure neo-con adventurism with the intent of spreading democracy through the Middle East by military campaign.
bayam on September 10, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a ‘Final Reckoning’ With Iraq
   February 13, 2002

Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a “final reckoning” with Iraq, describing the country as a “virulent threat in a class by itself” and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust Saddam Hussein.

“Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm.  And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq.  As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table.”

   

The New York Times
   Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a ‘Final Reckoning’ With Iraq
   February 13, 2002

Golly bayam, this sure doesn’t read like a guy voicing “very loud and vocal opposition to any military attack of Iraq as a response to 9-11”.
In fact it sounds more like a guy calling FOR invasion of Iraq!
I wonder what Gore thought about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction?

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

   

Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
   Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
   September 23, 2002

And this was the guy getting intel about Iraq for 8 years!

DSchoen on September 11, 2011 at 4:29 AM

He should have already been on top of things, Clinton as well.

I thought about Clinton being on top of things just a few days ago when I saw a story about lonely Monica Lewinsky has become.

oldleprechaun on September 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

In the mean time, Gore would have killed the 2nd Amendment and a host of other things coming from his Supreme Court appointments. You are welcome USA.

scotash on September 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

and, as i recall, bill clinton and al gore had bin laden in the palms of their hands then let him go. so much for supposition.

abcurtis on September 12, 2011 at 10:25 AM