Savings.com sends Dear John letter to California
posted at 12:45 pm on September 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Two months ago, Governor Jerry Brown signed the Affiliate-Nexus Tax bill, which requires Internet retailers with a relationship to California-based businesses to pay sales tax on all related transactions. The state government figured that Amazon and other retailers needed the California market too much to bail out of it. Instead, those retailers have cut off their affiliate relationships, which puts thousands of small businesses in California at risk of failure. One of those small businesses, Savings.com, sent a letter to its California customers saying that they will pack up and leave — and take their 100 or so jobs with them:
Ever since you and your new BFF–the Affiliate Nexus Tax–started hanging out, people just don’t want to do as much business with us anymore. Sure, we know it seems only fair that online retailers without a physical presence in California should have to collect sales taxes from their customers just like everyone else. The problem is, until every other state–or the federal government–feels the same way, companies like Amazon.com, Overstock and others have decided that it’s not worth working with us (or 25,000 other California-based businesses) anymore. Apparently, in your eyes, our affiliate relationship makes them liable for collecting taxes. They’ve decided it makes better sense to just work with affiliates beyond your, admittedly still picturesque, borders.
We know this letter might come as a bit of a shock–especially because things had been going so well between us. Last year alone we helped drive $400 million in sales and we’ve doubled the number of California jobs we provide year-after-year. And people started to notice: the LA Business Journal named us a “Best Place to Work in Los Angeles” and then Inc. Magazine just named us one of the “500 Fastest Growing Companies in 2011.” So what went wrong?
Well, you’re a Pisces, we’re a Gemini. And maybe we’re just being sensitive–like the time we asked you what color our eyes were and you said “white”–but we can either stick with you and try to weather the loss in revenue during these already fragile times, or we can start considering some of the offers from the other states that changed their feelings about affiliate companies like us. Sure, we’d miss you (you are still gorgeous after all) but maybe some clean Rocky Mountain air, or the sound of crashing surf on The North Shore, would be refreshing. Don’t worry, you could keep the futon, VCR player and Charoodles–but our 100+ employees and the state income taxes they pay each year would be coming along with us.
Well, who needs those 100+ jobs anyway? Er, California does, since it has one of the highest state-unemployment rates in the nation at over 12%. Obviously the state of California is more focused on collecting new taxes than in promoting small business, and just as obviously, the small businesses that work with Internet retailers can relocate more easily than most others.
It’s not as if the e-merchants didn’t warn California of the impact from the ANT. Two months ago, Savings.com COO Thomas Swalla told SoCalTech that California’s hubris would be its undoing:
How did the tax move last night affect your business?
Thomas Swalla: Certainly, a majority of our business model is directly affected by this. I think there are two things going on. One, is the issue of whether Amazon should have to collect sales tax for California. I have my own personal opinions, but from a company stand point, that’s neither here nor there. However, the reality, is that the law, as it is written, tries to force Amazon and others to pay taxes here. The law says–because you have a relationship with Savings.com, that gives us right to claim nexus over you. It’s not just online business, it’s also brick and mortar retailers like Cabela’s, which just told us they’re terminating our affiliate relationship too. That nexus says that you have to collect sales tax from California residents when they sell items to them. That was the purpose of the law.
So what actually happened?
Thomas Swalla: Unfortunately, the way it got implemented in California, is that those retailers said–you’re in California, we understand you passed this law, which says you have a nexus in California because of the relationship with Savings.com, so we’re just going to end all ties with all of our affiliates in the state. We’ve already gotten several termination letters from those companies, which impacts our business pretty dramatically. In other states, Connecticut and Illinois, they gave 60-90 days before the actual bill went into effect. That gives you time to plan a little better. But this literally happened yesterday. We knew it would come, but which didn’t know how or which affiliate programs it would affect. We knew that Amazon.com and Overstock would cut off those programs, but we didn’t know that folks like Fabric.com and Cabela’s would. We’re still receiving notices today.
We imagine that’s quite a negative affect on the business?
Thomas Swalla: It’s certainly been negative on our business. We’ve put all options on the table. That includes laying people off, or moving–probably to Nevada–but before we do, we want to certainly make sure we understand from the legislatures of other states around California on what their position is. If we had to pick up and move everything from Santa Monica to Nevada, we’d certainly want to make sure they didn’t go make this a law too in twelve months. It is bad, and it definitely impacts the business. This is how we make the majority of our revenue–from the affiliate model. It’s a little weird though, because they’re claiming that because Savings.com gets paid when someone buys something from Amazon, the CPA model, we are a marketing affiliate and Amazon has to collect sales taxes. However, if we were just providing clicks, using the CPC model, they wouldn’t be affected. If Amazon just paid for clicks on our side, it wouldn’t have any effect, but because it’s CPA, it does.
It sounds like legislators didn’t think through these impacts?
Thomas Swalla: To me, the frustrating thing is that while talking to people in Sacramento, this was incredibly predicable. In every other state that this has happened, they didn’t collect any additional taxes, business left the state, and there was a net negative effect. It’s very predictable. I think maybe if you’re not in the business day to day, you don’t understand that. I think most lawmakers were thinking that California is too big, and they wouldn’t just end their relationship with 20,000 companies. But yeah, they just did, and it was an easy decision.
Did the lawmakers not just understand how companies would be affect?
Thomas Swalla: I think they just don’t understand the consequence. The spirit of getting Amazon to collect taxes from people in California makes complete sense. But, the way it actually got implemented had some unintended consequences. Those companies just said–we won’t pay the taxes, and we’ll end those relationships. Not only will the state not get more revenue, it may actually lose revenue, if what happened in Illnois happens here. If you saw what happened in Illinois, there were a number of companies–CouponCabin and FatWallet–who actually moved out of state after the bill passed. That might be what happens here. If technology business relocate, the industry will end up suffering. We haven’t gotten through all the numbers, although it won’t put us out of business, it will certainly affect us in a real negative way.
Affiliate entrepreneurs have launched an effort called Get Back In Business, which hopes to put a referendum on the 2012 ballot to repeal the ANT. Don’t expect Savings.com to make a return if it passes, though. Once burned in the California sunshine, they’re most likely to look where governments are attempting to attract rather than repel businesses.
Update 9/12/11: Mr. Swalley is the chief operating officer of Savings.com, not the CEO; the CEO is Loren Bendele. I’ve corrected the text above.
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I hate living here in California for this and multiple other reasons, but it is where my kids and grandkids live.
GaltBlvnAtty on September 10, 2011 at 3:42 PM
I’m out of here, too. Just as soon as I can find a buyer for the house. It’s a shame to be run out of the place you were born by bad management.
trigon on September 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM
I question the timing.
hillbillyjim on September 10, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Couldn’t the business operate off-shore? How far out do you have to be to avoid living in CA? Actually you probably would not have to pay anyone any taxes.
Whoops — that makes you a pirate and BHO will send the SEALS after your a$$.
WTH — move down here to Florida. It is the best State for everything. We are controlled by rednecks and conservatives who automatically do the opposite of whatever CA and NY do.
jarhead0311 on September 10, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Let me make it simple for you:
See William Amos’ comment and link. The reprieve wasn’t passed until YESTERDAY; IOW, after they saw everyone hitting the road, they are trying to stop the stampede.
hillbillyjim on September 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Is it possible Cali breaking up is where Obama will get his 57 states?
My Grandparents lived out there for decades (Farmersville, Modesto, and near MT. Diablo. It’s a beautiful, crazy place. Sad it’s going in the crapper.
They should have adopted the PAPPY PLAN years ago.
1. Seal the border.
2. 10% across the board spending cuts.
Then they might have a chance.
But now they are just a rotting economic carcass, waiting for the wolves to come in and tear it apart.
PappyD61 on September 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM
If even a percentage of the good guys upped and left this state, it would completely fail in a year. These leftards assume we are so enamored with the place that we just can’t leave. Nothing will change here until it goes bankrupt.
leftnomore on September 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I’m in the same boat with my ex and kids living here. My wife and I would be gone in a heartbeat if we could.
oddjob1138 on September 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM
I wish there was a chance that we could save California rather than good citizens feeling like they have to abandon their homes.
hawkdriver on September 10, 2011 at 4:16 PM
It’s the people in the other States who have all the excitement — they’re the ones who will gain employment should the company relocate there.
As for us Californians — it’s the exasperation a parent feels when their kid burns their hand on the oven for the umpteenth time. It’s that “I’ll never be able to use the oven again until this kid grows up — and maybe not even then!” kind of exasperation. We might love the kid, but boy is he dumb!
unclesmrgol on September 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM
I bet it’s still better than Connecticut.
Daemonocracy on September 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM
And NO state income tax to boot!
honsy on September 10, 2011 at 4:27 PM
I have been personally affected by this via my site DrunkReport.com and it sucks. California is shooting itself in the foot, the arms, the chest and legs.
Drunk Report on September 10, 2011 at 4:36 PM
We got some Florida weather today in Los Angeles, thunder, lightening, rain, and humidity. Still, Florida seems very attractive. Where would you recommend?
LA Conservative on September 10, 2011 at 4:38 PM
A call to the NLRB should take care of it.
xblade on September 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM
I’ve always liked California, the scenery and geography are awesome as is the climate. Living here in AZ, it’s a short drive relatively speaking and one can be on the beaches, at Disneyland, or Seaworld.
My company has plants out there (don’t ask me why they are still there, makes no sense to me). No way would I want to live there though. The place is run by people who make imbeciles look positively brilliant. The voters apparently ain’t none too bright as their solution to all the problems they are facing has been to re-elect the same legislature that has taken them to this point, actually strengthening the Dem hold on the state and the elected Gary Moonbeam Brown as governor. I mean, come on folks! Really?
We don’t even go out there anymore on vacation since they passed a[nother tax] law that makes people with timeshares pay hotel tax on their condo when they stay at a California timeshare. Last time we were there, it cost us about $120 extra to pay the tax. I figure that in the past 8 years since we’ve been there, it’s cost California businesses about $8000 to $10,000 that we haven’t spent in California. But, by golly, they got their $120 in taxes from us! That one time.
AZfederalist on September 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Not in Florida, but based on some visits, the Pensacola, Fort Walton Beach areas are really nice.
AZfederalist on September 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM
Come to San Antonio, baby!! We’ll take good care of you…unemployment is 7% in this town–and that’s way too much. But, we have no state tax to deal with, and businesses find this a really friendly town. Yeah, it’s awesome.
pacard33 on September 10, 2011 at 5:23 PM
Another sign that it goes beyond the Left just wanting to tax everything in sight, it’s that even the Right has lost sight of how it used to be, that until the last few decades taxation in the US was actually a value proposition. In short, Cali doesn’t deserve this tax revenue because it doesn’t really do anything to earn it. How much state budget likely goes toward protecting the wires these transactions travel on? Chicken feed. It used to be that, OK, the income tax appeared and went to the Feds, for national security etc, once a standing army and costly navy became valuable assets for a country to have. The state got sales taxes because it provided the general regional business atmosphere. The better the business environment, the more revenue the state got. Reward for value! Fancy that. The locals got real estate and school taxes because they paid the cops that protect our houses and the teachers that taught everyone’s kids. Once taxation became so abstract and non-value-based is when all this trouble started. Localities taxing incomes because, well, just because you’re there, states taxing incomes, localities taxing individuals that live outside their jurisdiction (i.e., taxation without representation), now talk of a potential VAT (a monstrous federal sales tax essentially). Whenever these governments got the idea that they no longer needed to function as a reasonable actor in a financial transaction is when the tyranny started. They tax because they can. And they can throw you in jail and/or ruin you financially if you squawk or balk. President Perry should make getting back to value-for-value taxation as part of his legislative agenda. Tax sales on the internet? Sure. Let’s be reasonable. That could be federal, but for all the government does to facilitate it, the rate should be something like .0025. A quarter of a cent to the dollar. Just off the top of my head. That may be high.
curved space on September 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM
“The new meme is a story circulating on facebook of a study that claims that people are happier in countries that have higher taxes.”
Let’s take a poll; who wants to pay higher taxes? Who thinks the government/s is underfunded to perform its functions, which in the case of the federal government, is outlined in the Constitution? Who honestly feels that the government is better equipped to spend your money than you are?
Show of hands! Could you raise them higher please?
ncjetsfan on September 10, 2011 at 6:03 PM
California….home of Hollywood, that wouldn’t make the movie “Atlas Shrugged”. California, the state that is living their own version of Atlas Shrugged…that’s some kind of irony or synchronicity or something. There is an expression about how when you are looking for something, sometimes it’s staring you straight in the face. How obstinate can the lefties be, that they would drive businesses and jobs out of California to their own detriment? To prove to themselves, what has been proven many times before- Socialism fails, always.
Dr Evil on September 10, 2011 at 6:04 PM
Isn’t it wonderful when government’s priorities become more about squeezing business than making it easy for them to operate? California is lost. The special interests control the state and have acquired enough power to keep the insane asylum in Sacramento going forever.
Aardvark on September 10, 2011 at 6:40 PM
I am sure CA hired MORE than 100 thugs er, auditors to collect the taxes right?
orbitalair on September 10, 2011 at 6:54 PM
Illegal to leave California? Naw, that would be against the law. /s
Instead:
1) Set up stations on the California border with agents that have the power to turn back any with suspicious quantities of unregistered furniture and other household goods.
2) Declare that for tax purposes, a subject of California remains a subject for five years after leaving.
3) Place a tax assessment on any houses sold if the seller moves out of state within six months.
4) Demand that any taxpayers leaving the state show that they have a replacement who can compensate for the lost revenue.
5) Make it a law that all households moving out of state contract with special state-run moving companies that charge $30/hr.
Aardvark on September 10, 2011 at 7:09 PM
When my husband was laid off from Texas Instruments 13 years ago, he was offered two different jobs in the Palo Alto area. We came very, very close to moving (my brother lived in SF at the time) but, in the end, the economics of staying in Texas were just too good in comparison to leave. Our liberal east coast family just could not believe that we would pass up the chance to live in the land of perfect weather and perfect progressivism to stay in the hot redneck backwater of Texas. I thank my lucky stars every day we didn’t listen to them and stayed put. (Even my lefty brother got fed up and left CA for good in 2005.)
inmypajamas on September 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM
So who are those three hot blonds?
toliver on September 10, 2011 at 7:59 PM
I think it’s Taylor Swift in the middle and Kellie Pickler but I have no idea who the other one is.
forest on September 10, 2011 at 8:14 PM
Fatwallet.com did the same thing in Northern Illinois taking 30 jobs to Wisconsin.
Seriously, when does the parasite realize that it is killing it’s host?
LifeTrek on September 10, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Translation:
California lawmakers overwhelmingly admit they done $crewed the pooch big time!
WTF does a “US Senator” have to do with the “State taxes” of “individual States”?
Me think Senator Richard J. Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois needs to be sent back to the 8th grade!
DSchoen on September 10, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Sure…Florida only has a 10.7% unemployment rate…sounds awesome!
I don’t see too many Rick Scott stories here on HA? Perhaps because he’s an embarrassment to Conservatives and Republicans…
Dr. ZhivBlago on September 10, 2011 at 8:47 PM
How is Scott an embarrassment? He kiboshed the stupid high-speed rail, took on the unions and is business friendly. I don’t care what picture the press paints.
toliver on September 10, 2011 at 8:56 PM
I am happy that Amazon earned an exception, but that is just favoring one business over another. Laws, including taxation should apply to everyone, period.
But so far the discussion has been playing in the Pols court. Till We The People stand up and get a national amendment passed that has the following nothing will change –
28th. Whereas the intent of government is to serve the people, be it known:
* Congress may not exempt itself from any law that applies to the People. This provision shall be retroactive on all sitting members.
* In any given two year period that both years are in deficit no sitting member of Congress or the President or Vice President may run for elective office again nor may they serve in any non-elective capacity thereafter.
* A single 17% tax rate shall apply to all taxable entities. In no event may the combined tax rate, city, state, federal exceed 30% of gross income for said entity.
* The People of the respective States reserve the power to enforce the provisions of this law by binding special elections against political representatives who violate the provisions of this Amendment. Further the People may as represented by 10% of the signators of any political division call for grand jury to investigate matters as are deemed necessary.
Dr. Dog on September 10, 2011 at 9:03 PM
i believe the third blonde is miranda lambert
greydude on September 10, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Let’s see…in the last five years the Florida Republicans have increased the tobacco tax, increased fishing license fees and tag fees. Scott hired a TEA Party activist buddy at $70,000 a year to be some kind of “liaison with the community” and several others for similar positions for around $500,000 a year in new state salaries. He had the Florida welcome signs changed to include his name for almost $9000. The Legislature voted themselves $200,000 for new carpeting for their offices. $80,000 for renovations to Rick Scott’s and his chief-of-staff’s (his salary more than $180,000 I believe-I guess telling Rick to wear a Polo shirt instead of a tie to soften his image was worth it) offices…and he’s still in his first year as governor.
Now there’s the situation of the Outer Beltway in the Jacksonville area. That road was financed through a special tax imposed since the late ’80s, now Scott wants to turn it into a toll road.
This is exactly the kind of stuff that prompted me to attend TEA Party rallies. I don’t care what letter is after the pol’s name. I’m sick and tired of them spending taxpayer’s money on BS.
And then there’s the 75 times Scott pleaded the Fifth when the company of which he was the CEO was caught up in the largest Medicare scam in history. He was fired, and the company had to pay some of the largest fines in U.S. history.
I think Florida could do better than Rick Scott and these tax-raising Republicans they have in Tallahassee now.
Dr. ZhivBlago on September 10, 2011 at 9:43 PM
Montana has no state sales tax and no plans for one. Missoula has 7 micro breweries. Nuff said.
Kissmygrits on September 10, 2011 at 10:31 PM
My family has lived in CA for seven generations. Heartbreak.
Bob's Kid on September 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM
Note to all who commented on my suggestion you move to Florida. Don’t do it!
I was kidding. Especially if you are from the NE or West Coast. There are snakes and alligators here in Florida that have a special taste for you folks.
You are invited to vaction here for no longer than 2 weeks. Spend money and have fun.
Our unemployment percentage is due partially to the 12 year in-flux of beaners who worked in the housing industry. They took many jobs from white and black workers who can’t accept $6.55/hour and pay their bills on it. When they (the illeagls) found out they get food stamps, health care, and lots of sympathy from SE Florida libtards, they have stayed.
Stay where you are, you are safe.Dr. ZhivBlago is brain dead but listen to him/her. Don’t come to sunny Florida.
jarhead0311 on September 10, 2011 at 10:42 PM
Florida has no State income tax, but we have hurricanes. Don’t move here!
jarhead0311 on September 10, 2011 at 10:44 PM
My wife and I hated moving from Oceanside/Santa Barbara/Chico/LA/Santa Monica/Venice Beach/Morro Bay CA to Key Largo FL. If the family connections there were stronger, we might have stayed. It’s a 50/50 thing – less culture and environment, better politics and economics.
elfman on September 10, 2011 at 10:59 PM
I want back the thirty seconds that I wasted my time reading this utterly moronic spiel against an elected official and a legislature. If these examples were the worst waste of government money, Florida would be a state in the Kingdom of Heaven. Obama wants to waste $450 billion in an nonsensical effort to create jobs. That is what worries me.
Truly, ZhivBlago, just be quiet if you have nothing of significance nor of interest to say.
thuja on September 10, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Another stellar business decision by Gov Moonbeam…
The apple didn’t fall far from the tree…
Khun Joe on September 10, 2011 at 11:43 PM
California. Liberals’ model for the rest of America.
hawksruleva on September 10, 2011 at 11:44 PM
All of that combined is less than Wisconsin had to pay to repair the damage to their state capital when liberal protesters decided to camp ou.
hawksruleva on September 10, 2011 at 11:46 PM
Well, it’s obvious that California just needs more regulation to stop all this tax dodging. Maybe they can file with the NLRB.
flataffect on September 11, 2011 at 12:24 AM
Cali just needs some of Øbama’s stash. That’s all.
Mojave Mark on September 11, 2011 at 12:39 AM
Kinda amused that many think that SoCal climate is replicable in Florida. At most you get a couple week’s worth of that kind of Mediterranean climate. The rest is pure South and Cuba.
Apologetic California on September 11, 2011 at 12:49 AM
California gives generous welfare benefits to poor citizens and immigrants alike, including those here illegally, and then they wonder why their populations of benefits-consumers continue to rapidly expand. It’s a mystery!
To a large extent, they have reached a tipping point where the high percentage of those receiving public benefits and/or on the public payroll is high enough to, when combined with just a few more voters, keep the Democrats in power indefinitely. Ahnald was clearly NOT in the tradition of Republican Governors of California, who have all had to be real meanies in recent decades to keep the state’s budget balanced in line with its Constitution. All they’ve been able to manage since Pete Wilson has been a weak pretense at balancing the budget.
It would take a radical revolution to reform California now.
Adjoran on September 11, 2011 at 2:33 AM
So companies don’t just pay any taxes that states levy on them? They actually change the way they do business to avoid them? Huh. Who knew?
holygoat on September 11, 2011 at 3:04 AM
I wish California would stop being ridiculous (in every way possible). That way, people from CA will stop moving to Colorado. The sudden influx of liberals is turning my state from purple-ish to blue.
LiquidH2O on September 11, 2011 at 4:14 AM
Maybe Ron Paul!!! was right.
He just got the identity of the border wrong!
California/Nevada, not Texas/Mexico
VelvetElvis on September 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM
Love the letter. I am soooo jealous!!
ProudPalinFan on September 11, 2011 at 8:10 AM
I am so sorry for the Californians who are good, normal people. I have a lot of family living there in SoCal. They are beside themselves on how to continue on in the face of this insanity.
I have watched over many years how the liberals from CA invaded OR,WA,ID & CO & turned those conservative states into liberal cesspools. It is so strange that these people, who left CA bcs they didn’t like the economic rules, set up the same damned thing in their new home. They are clueless morons who have wreaked havoc everywhere they flee.
What every state govt needs to understand is that as soon as you drop taxes on businesses & people to low levels, you stimulate investment & actually gain much more revenue bcs of it. Bcs everybody is making more money!
What a freaking concept!
But let’s not learn from history. Oh let us just continue down the path of destruction.
Unfortunately, CA, & states like it MUST be allowed to fail miserably with NO bailouts.
Badger40 on September 11, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Golly. Who knew unintended consequences could be so ‘unintended?’
locomotivebreath1901 on September 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM
So, apparently, businesses are more inclined to locate themselves in places that are business-friendly? Who knew?!
Well, I’m sure California can simply shrug this off, and say “good riddance” to these unpatriotic (soon to be ex-)Californians who don’t want to pay more taxes.
After all, it will probably be a simple matter for California to meet all its budgetary requirements by asking the “rich” to pay their “fair share!” I’m sure the rich will be more than happy to step into the gap and pony up to ensure that the state’s enormous pensions and massive wealth transfers are paid, and routinely increased, even without the help of businesses.
morganfrost on September 11, 2011 at 10:52 AM
I’m a native Californian that moved to Massachusetts. The weather sucks, the people are called m@ssholes for good reason, but you could not pay me to move back to California. I feel for you.
roy_batty on September 11, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Yes, fleeing Californians, don’t come anywhere NEAR the south….here in Alabama, where I relocated to in 1994 from the Los Angeles area, I was told I would find nothing but slow speaking racist morons (by a bunch of slow speaking racist Californians). I haven’t actually found any such people here, but I’m SURE to find some ANY DAY now. Save yourselves, don’t come here!!!
runawayyyy on September 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Does that blonde in the middle of the picture look like Taylor Swift or is it just me?
Ryan Anthony on September 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM
I wish we had Scott in Michigan. Our Republican governor supports the high speed rail (from Detroit up the Woodward corridor to the poverty stricken drug infested boundary of Detroit). They are already working on a county tax to pay for the upkeep of the rail which is supposed to attract jobs.
I will be paying that tax
He also supports a new bridge from Detroit to Canada, now not later
I still prefer Michigan to California, although I have family there. California has embraced global statehood. Michigan still considers itself part of the USA
entagor on September 11, 2011 at 12:27 PM
You’re comparing national budgets and spending to state budgets and spending…it’s relative as far as the actual dollar amounts go. I don’t care if they blow $5.00 on nonsense that benefits themselves but not their state. It’s malfeasance no matter what.
So what if they are “elected”? So were Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al. So elected officials are sacred here all of a sudden?
Also, it’s OK if Republicans waste less taxpayer’s money than the Democrats do? Guess I didn’t get that part of the TEA Party message.
If I were “brain dead” I’d be like some here typing away like zombies: Democrats bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad, Republicans good…
Guess some feel it’s pleasurable to be told to turn around and bend over by certain Republicans, but the same treatment by Democrats is an outrage.
Look at it this way-Rick Scott’s polling numbers are amongst the worse in the country for governors. I’m concerned that this may tarnish the Republican brand for the upcoming national elections in Florida. Party loyalty is swell, but I don’t understand what part of 10.7% unemployment a few here don’t get?
Perhaps if there’s too many that think that all Republicans walk on water and won’t call a spade a spade because of ideology, then perhaps four more years of Dear Leader is what we deserve.
Dr. ZhivBlago on September 11, 2011 at 2:04 PM
LOL. No kidding. The SoCal climate is quite different from Florida’s. Much drier in SoCal. Lived both places.
Tampa, every day for 6 months of the year: high 89, low 74, afternoon showers. Humidity through the roof. Air conditioning bill over $200 a month. No such thing as a good hair day.
SoCal: highest electric bill in the nearly 10 years since I moved here: $68. Never have to run the A/C more than 7-10 days a year. When the humidity is below 20% virtually all the time, 105 F actually feels better than 85 F with 60-70% humidity. Even on the coast, where the weather is a little more variable than that of coastal Florida, it’s a lot drier.
J.E. Dyer on September 11, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Drunk Report on September 10, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Is this what it takes for you to stop shilling for the Lefties now?
If so, happy wake-up call.
PJ Emeritus on September 11, 2011 at 4:22 PM
A friendly warning to all you fleeing Californians: Do not go to Idaho! The Surgeon General has determined that clean air can prove fatal to those whose respiratory systems have become used to daily intakes of smoke and various other pollutants.
Then there are the sevevn months of winter; your fragile constitutions wouldn’t take them too well.
And if the pure air and the gorgeous winters don’t do you in, then you would probably die of boredom. With no amusement parks, trendy art museums, or gay pride parades you would surely perish for lack of cultural stimulation.
I won’t go into the wolves and grizzley bears. Surely Nevada or Arizona would be more to your liking than Idaho.
Ace ODale on September 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM
I love all the comments about California but remember this is a one party state and it doesn’t matter that the left is ruining the state. When it starts to crash and burn because it cant pay its bills they are just going to take money from fly over country and give it to California. I mean that is how the left thinks. Go a head California and waste your money as there are fools in fly over country that are doing the right thing with their money and budgets. So we will just take their money and give to California because California votes for us.
pwb on September 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM
You are correct, The other one is Jullianne Hough (from Dancing with the Stars fame).
clevbrian19d on September 11, 2011 at 8:11 PM
I left California seven years ago and moved to Arizona, still work in this crappy state and commute from Phoenix…What a mess California is.
dthorny on September 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM
Waitwhatthe . . . Taylor AND . . . Kellie Pickler?
*heart implodes*
Ryan Anthony on September 11, 2011 at 10:31 PM
They can require any item not listed on an individual’s Beyanname are taxed at 100% of the market value or the state confiscates it (just like Turkey).
Hammie on September 12, 2011 at 1:20 AM
I’ll be 60 in a few months; a native Californian (rare, that). In three days, my wife and I begin packing, sorting, deciding, selling …all the myriad details that it takes to pull up stakes and move …to a new life. 60. Think about that.
(I have thought about it, a lot, over the past year: and the last election was my mene mene tekel upharsim moment. The state won’t recover for decades …and I don’t have decades. I’ve had enough. I’ve got a few good years left, and I’m not going to waste them here.)
davisbr on September 13, 2011 at 3:25 AM
Flat tax, fair tax, taxes smaxes.
If the 16th Amendment were repealed – the 10th Amendment (you know, the States Rights one) would kick back in – the States would collect income/other taxes and then send it to DC. We The People would be much better able to contact our State Representatives, vote them in or out faster/easier and the Federal Gov would be back to what it was meant for Protection:
And We The People would not be funding every entitlement scheme (ponzi or otherwise), scam and con that the career politicos in DC can come up with.
Choose your 2012 Battle Cry:
We are no longer willing to pay with our lives the debts you incurred in yours… OR I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. [Quotes from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand]
We as Republicans/Conservatives must pick the Candidate who is the most polar opposite of Obama – Perry and his Dem past/Gardisil EO mandate, Romney with his Romneycare and Huntsman with his working for the enemy are not. We must now get behind those candidates who are. What does this have to do with a CA sales tax law – If we don’t fight back and win in 2012 – this will become national. And in this terrible economy – any new tax, another new tax – will make things worse not better.
jackal40 on September 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM
What they should actually do is ditch the US altogether and move to Canada.
Johnny 100 Pesos on September 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM
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