Paul: A border fence might be used to keep Americans from fleeing to Mexico, or something

posted at 12:05 pm on September 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

And now for a lighter moment from last night’s debate, or at least the weirdest moment.  Jim Hoft calls this Ron Paul’s Checkpoint Charlie moment, but it’s really more like an apex of Paul’s paranoid band of libertarianism. In this exchange, Paul opposes building a border fence because he doesn’t believe it represents American values, which is a fair enough argument that one usually hears from Democrats. He then tips over into hilarity when he suggests that the US government might use it to stop Americans from fleeing to, er, Mexico:

I immediately noted on Twitter on hearing this that it was my first laugh-out-loud moment of the debate, which got an angry response from a couple of Ronulans. (Is there any other kind?)  One told me to ask the people of the former Soviet Union and East Germany about how ridiculous that might be.  Well, it may come as a shock to Ron Paul and his followers, but the Iron Curtain wasn’t what made the Soviet Union a totalitarian state (and it wasn’t literally a wall anyway), nor the Berlin Wall for East Germany.  The latter had to build the wall in Berlin to keep people from escaping its police state, which existed before the wall was built or even contemplated.  Anyone who doesn’t understand the difference doesn’t belong in any serious political debate.

Besides, I’m pretty sure that we’re not running a great risk of capital flight to Mexico at the moment.  Our southern neighbor is teetering on the precipice of becoming a failed state, kidnappings are an epidemic, cartels run entire swaths of the country, and the political environment sounds somewhat like the lyrics to “All She Wants to Do is Dance.”  Even if an eventual US  government closed the border to keep Americans in, we have a wide-open border on the north and two oceans on either side.  Americans would like Canadians and swimming a lot better than taking their chances with the drug cartels.  And if we were ever in a position where Americans wanted to escape to Mexico, then a border fence would almost literally be the least of our problems.

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Rick Perry is just ………..perrible.

Falz on September 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Talking with Ron Paul supporter. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EQSOwgWG1c

DanaSmiles on September 8, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I don’t support Ron Paul fully, but I don’t appreciate people from our side acting like the left and bashing him.

Chubbs65 on September 8, 2011 at 1:40 PM

What it is for me is how his mind will be going find and you’ll be agreeing with him but then suddenly darts off and goes squirrely with way too much fast talking in so many directions that he ends up in the weeds.

If he could control this verbal tic, he’d be much more respected. As it is, he comes across as having the crazy inside, just under the surface, and finally loses control.

cane_loader on September 8, 2011 at 1:42 PM

It’s something like if you’re awake at night and have “Coast To Coast AM” on the radio. You might be listening to some guest and think, “hmmm..good point, sounds reasonable”, but after 5 minutes the guest is bringing in Bigfoot, alien abductions, time travel, etc and tying it in to whatever the topic at hand.

whatcat on September 8, 2011 at 3:14 PM

“Screw” “Ball” (sorry no graphics)

Hening on September 8, 2011 at 3:25 PM

It is disheartening that Ed seems to believe that it is impossible that our government would restrain it’s citizens. That is a childlike faith in the goodness of governments that is absurd.

PierreLegrand

What’s childlike is not understanding that if that day ever comes, they won’t need a fence to keep us from crossing the border. Landmines, tanks, and armed soldiers will do the job just fine. And then they’d still build a fence just to make sure.

You may as well argue that we shouldn’t have a military because one day the government might use it against us.

xblade on September 8, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Anybody who knows anything about Ron Paul knows he wasn’t insinuating that people were going to try and find a better life in Mexico..

Ron Paul is scared of this happening again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

If our government decides to confiscate everybody’s gold and place heavy restrictions and taxes on taking wealth out of the country, then people are going to try and find ways to sneak their wealth out of the country. One of those ways might be going down to Mexico, then taking a private plane to South America or the Caribbean. Being that Ron Paul supports individuals keeping their wealth, he would support individuals sneaking their wealth out of the country in the case of restrictions or gold confiscations.

dannno on September 8, 2011 at 4:12 PM

What’s childlike is not understanding that if that day ever comes, they won’t need a fence to keep us from crossing the border. Landmines, tanks, and armed soldiers will do the job just fine. And then they’d still build a fence just to make sure.

They’re going to have enough to do without worrying about building a fence along the entire border, they are trying to setup as much of the police state apparatus now as possible in preparation. Finding excuses for us to accept it before they even roll out their real intentions makes their job much easier later. Of course this has very little to do with the politicians pushing for the fence, they are mostly doing it for votes. There are plenty of others who would love to see it go up to be used for nefarious purposes later, much like FEMA camps.

You may as well argue that we shouldn’t have a military because one day the government might use it against us.

A military is necessary to protect our country, a border fence is a bandaid for the welfare state.

dannno on September 8, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Not reading all the comments but one note.

The Berlin was build to keep the invaders out of east Germany. The invaders where just then normal scape goats that where not real but used as bogey man who where entering east Germany to create strife and formant a revolution against the state. In the end it was nothing but a wall to keep people in.

If the Mexican wall get build and Texas becomes east Germany because people have ran out of bullets and food. People would be trapped by their own wall.

If you hate a big left government that has to much power don’t give that same power to a right government and think things will be better. The big right government will lead to a even bigger left, fascist left who will use that wall that the right side built to line people up and no one will get out as they will be out of bullets.

But Ron Paul cheese has fell off his cracker in his expression not the underlining ideas and theories that any government that is big is bad even if your side that is in the other side will use that power that was in placed. All most every regulation that Obama is using was put in place but Bush but turned up and changed to suit them.

tjexcite on September 8, 2011 at 4:24 PM

catmman on September 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Yeah, sorry. My bad.

J.E. Dyer on September 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Ron Paul is just nuts.

I was repulsed by Rand’s comments supporting his father’s bid for the WH. Just because he’s “My father’s son” doesn’t mean he has to go along with this crack-pottery. How many of us have had to take the keys from parents who are no longer fit to drive or manage other aspects of their lives? Step up to the plate Rand and help end this spectacle

clnurnberg on September 8, 2011 at 5:31 PM

You may as well argue that we shouldn’t have a military because one day the government might use it against us.

xblade on September 8, 2011 at 4:08 PM

p-Q7 and…check!

Skidd on September 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

He then tips over into hilarity when he suggests that the US government might use it to stop Americans from fleeing to, er, Mexico:

Spathi, (or any Paul supporter) remind me again why I promised to support him if he wins the nomination.

hawkdriver on September 8, 2011 at 6:24 PM

This is an invite to the HR community to read my post on Ron Paul’s “CooCoo for CoCo Puffs” ideas:


RPT’s Thought on Ron Paul

Enjoy you guys and gals… hopefully there is something here to help you debate these “Paulistinians”.

papa_giorgio on September 8, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Ron Paul’s philosophy hits a lot of high marks, but the man has the worst speaking skills. He is the opposite of the “great communicator”.

V-rod on September 8, 2011 at 10:25 PM

CTD on September 8, 2011 at 12:29 PM

While rotten-the Relocation Camps during WII were NOT ‘concentration camps’.
Dachau was a concentration camp. Manzanar- unjust as it was-didn’t even come close to one.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Whenever a society descends into totalitarianism, the ruling clique will eventually close the borders — not just to prevent contamination by politically troublesome foreign influences, but also to prevent the egress of refugees and (most importantly) the flight of capital to more congenial economic environments.

In our case, the invasive and arbitrary powers exercised in the name of border security are becoming embedded in routine law enforcement within the interior. Although the geography of the contiguous 48 states remains unchanged, there is a very real sense in which the borders are closing in on us.

The Border Patrol…already carries out warrantless, suspicionless checkpoints as far as 100 miles inside the national boundary. The Department of Homeland Security insists that the Fourth Amendment proscription of “unreasonable searches and seizures” doesn’t apply to “border enforcement” searches. This would mean that the two-thirds of the U.S. population living within 100 miles of an international border are residents of a “Constitution-Free Zone.”

-William Norman Grigg

gyrmnix on September 9, 2011 at 5:52 AM

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