It begins: Romney, Perry clash over jobs

posted at 8:41 pm on September 7, 2011 by Allahpundit

Just a skirmish, but one which presages the wider war to come. The good news: This may be the most entertaining two minutes of any debate this year. The bad news: You’re going to hear these same talking points repeated by these two every single day. For five more months.

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I’m smelling a Perry/Gingrich ticket.

cannonball on September 7, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Where did Mittens get that fabulous tan?

Cicero43 on September 7, 2011 at 8:49 PM

As far as debate conflicts go, that was pretty classy both ways.

Well done.

Nessuno on September 7, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I’m smelling a Perry/Gingrich ticket.

cannonball on September 7, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I don’t think so, try letting the dog out…

right2bright on September 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Sorry AP.

Romney owned that exchange. Your lede is lame.

Romney is 100% right.

swamp_yankee on September 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Pretty funny.

But the talking ad gets AdBlockerPlus turned back on.

pedestrian on September 7, 2011 at 9:04 PM

great line by romney.. he owned perry.. perfect dig which further associates perry with al gore… a legit lol

gatorboy on September 7, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Romney got the last word with his quip about George Bush. And he’s right of course – every state is different with different circumstances. Huntsman wins the jackass award overall.

Buy Danish on September 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM

lol as expected Perry went after Romney on the jobs issue but it looks like Romney was ready for him. I guess Perry will have to come up with some new talking points to go after Romney with before the next debate.

Hellrider on September 7, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Romney won that exchange, but Brian Williams had the best line.

joncoltonis on September 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Starting a new thread while an open thread, with over 1000 comments, is still going on? Bold move, AP. A strong, bold move.

Weight of Glory on September 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Wow… I hate to say it, but Romney REALLY won that exchange. He seemed ready for the onslaught.

Indy82 on September 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM

This is why the Cuda isn’t in the race yet. Let the big dogs bite on each other for a while. Then when they’re wounded and tired, pounce.

Thats not cheating…that’s smart.

Which is something currently absent from the WH.

BobMbx on September 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Ut oh,Johnny H says we’re weak.

I’m so sad. I can’t get over the fact that John Huntsman said hat I need to give up. Wah.

p.s., John Huntsman, finnigunna run third party?

LOLOLOLOL.

Key West Reader on September 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Cripes! How many questions are going to be posed based on “Fed Up!”? Don’t these people have any other issues to discuss than what Rick Perry ranted about in his book? Brian Williams is not much of a journalist IMHO.

JAM on September 7, 2011 at 9:32 PM

What an exchange of comebacks! Nicely done Mitt!

SauerKraut537 on September 7, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Perry: if you’re going to run on your record, don’t compare the job creation, in raw numbers, of our state to a much smaller state. That’s just wide open stupid.

Mitt handled it well, and he’s doing a pretty good job of explaining how he governed given the state he was in. I’m not going to vote for him in the primary, and I still dont’ trust him a bit, but fairly impressive tonight, performance-wise.

TexasDan on September 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Romney had a good comeback at the end(assuming it was factually accurate), but he made 2 mistakes with it. First, he was at least in part trying to blame any of his own shortcomings as governor on the MassachusettEs state legislature. That’s the kind of crap we’ve been subjected to with Barry for nearly 3 years, and I don’t think it’ll win over many voters. Secondly, using Bush against Perry sounds like he’s borrowing from the Democrat playbook. Again, I don’t think many Republicans will take kindly to that.

Doughboy on September 7, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Romney, not as good as Dukakis.

That’s the take-away.

Scribbler on September 7, 2011 at 9:54 PM

perry came across as nervous… didn’t fumble IMO, but not a confidence building experience for me… romney got the best of him in this exchange… states aren’t equal and for perry to think he can toss out a stat and have it go unanswered comes across like huntsman imo

gatorboy on September 7, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Perry did fine. Mittens has to be the aggressor, the polls are moving the wrong way. Guess what? This debate will mean nothing in two days. If Perry stays on message (which is is the master at), he slowly but surely pulls away. Mitt has never apologized for Romneycare. Game over man.

Sugar Land on September 7, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Bwahahaha!!!! Wonderful exchange!

Can you imagine Palin in that exchange?

Waaaaa! The LSM is mean to me!!! Waaaaaa!

lol

csdeven on September 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Sorry AP.

Romney owned that exchange. Your lede is lame.

Romney is 100% right.

swamp_yankee on September 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Gosh, what a surprising and original position for you to take.

fossten on September 8, 2011 at 12:01 AM

That exchange between Perry and Romney, shows the very difference between the D and R parties. It was about facts and substance, no matter who you agree with on those matters, but it was delivered with a smile on both sides. Yes, they would like to kill each other right now, but would anyone suggest that they are not going to support the other against Obama? I am a cautious optimist, certainly not an abject pessimist as is AP, but I will guarantee that President Downgrade and company are reeling after this debate, particularly given their internal polls. It is only a matter of months before we will see a complete implosion of this presidency.

TXUS on September 8, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Nice tit for tat and I’m sure someone will breakdown the real numbers for us. But as for bush making jobs in Texas, bah, it was the roaring sitcom boom that benefited Texas in a big way precisely due to low taxes, no income tax and overall low cost of living. Bush had to do nothing but get out of the way.

AH_C on September 8, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Romney, not as good as Dukakis.

That’s the take-away.

Scribbler on September 7, 2011

I think this is true. But mostly, if we look at the dynamics overall…Mitt is on the defense and Perry, a newcomer to the national political stage, not only holds his own but puts out the raison d’ etre of the entire campaign against Obama. Some people think Romney ‘won’ this exchange. Perhaps. But what REALLY happened? The new guy, with expectations running high, took it to the establishment and ran away with the campaign nugget…’You, Mitt Romney, couldn’t even best the guy who lost in a gigantic landslide (Dukakis) against G. Bush I.

JonPrichard on September 8, 2011 at 1:31 AM

due to low taxes, no income tax and overall low cost of living. Bush had to do nothing but get out of the way.

AH_C on September 8, 2011

OK. But isn’t that PRECISELY what we want from the Federal guvmint?

JonPrichard on September 8, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Romney, not as good as Dukakis.

That’s the take-away.

Scribbler on September 7, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Indeed.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 8, 2011 at 2:19 AM

This is why the Cuda isn’t in the race yet. Let the big dogs bite on each other for a while. Then when they’re wounded and tired, pounce.

Thats not cheating…that’s smart.

Which is something currently absent from the WH.

BobMbx on September 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Most Hilarious post of the night on HA!!

rickyricardo on September 8, 2011 at 2:32 AM

Good exchange, I’ll give this round to Mitt while the one on Social Security goes to Perry.

Mitt needs to stop with the cheap cloak and dagger crap his campaign is currently doing post debate, spreading lies that Perry came out against Social Security when he has done nothing of the sort. Shady tactics like this are right out of the left’s playbook and makes me wonder who exactly we would have in the White House during a Romney Presidency. Face to Face in a debate is fine, calling each other out on the stump is fine, but outright lying behind their backs like this and scaring seniors? Hell No.

Daemonocracy on September 8, 2011 at 3:38 AM

Romney, not as good as Dukakis.

That’s the take-away.

Scribbler on September 7, 2011 at 9:54 PM

You’re right, that is a good line and even though Romney had a good comeback with Bush, Republicans like Bush but loathe Dukakis. I still give the round to Romney because he was quick with his quips and differentiated the states pretty well.

Daemonocracy on September 8, 2011 at 3:40 AM

Romney, not as good as Dukakis.

That’s the take-away.

Scribbler on September 7, 2011 at 9:54 PM

You’re right, that is a good line and even though Romney had a good comeback with Bush, Republicans like Bush but loathe Dukakis. I still give the round to Romney because he was quick with his quips and differentiated the states pretty well.

Daemonocracy on September 8, 2011 at 3:40 AM

I agree. After all, when Romney left office as Governor the unemployment rate in Mass was about 3.5% lower than the rate is in Texas right now. Different states with different problems and assets.

Terrye on September 8, 2011 at 6:00 AM

Cripes! How many questions are going to be posed based on “Fed Up!”? Don’t these people have any other issues to discuss than what Rick Perry ranted about in his book? Brian Williams is not much of a journalist IMHO.

JAM on September 7, 2011 at 9:32 PM

You’re looking at this from the wrong point of view.

When you see this entire joke of a debate as a designed ambush aimed at discrediting Perry by using the other candidates as tools, it all makes sense.

fossten on September 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM

Daemonocracy wrote, “Mitt needs to stop with the cheap cloak and dagger crap his campaign is currently doing…”

Yeah, Romney’s habit of slipping the knife to his opponents from behind got on my nerves at first, especially given the wholesome image he projects, but I’m starting to think it is a good thing when a presidential candidate shows a scheming, Machiavellian side to his or her nature, especially given the type and kind of our real and potential foreign enemies.

One of the big problems with Senator McCain’s campaign, for example, was his misplaced sense of honor and fair play. McCain forbade his people to go after then-Senator Obama on the Jeremiah Wright issue or explore the Obama/Bill Ayers/Bernadette Dorne connection with any depth until the very end, when his campaign was plainly desperate: the attacks on Obama’s very suspect background and associations came too little and too late. McCain felt such attacks sullied his reputation. He believed he was above that sort of thing, so he lost honorably–emphasis on the word lost.

The GOP needs a candidate willing to fight, for once. The campaign motto of whoever wins the primaries should be ‘all that is legal is allowable’.

troyriser_gopftw on September 8, 2011 at 8:51 AM

Hey Mitt,
If you understand that unions and income tax hurt the economy, then why didn’t you try to do something about the unions or income taxes in MA????

jeffn21 on September 8, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Dukakis? Please. Dukakis didn’t create any jobs in Massachusetts, Ronald Reagan and the Congress created those jobs through increased cold war defense spending… and then there was that Big Dig too.

rhombus on September 8, 2011 at 9:16 AM

You know, I didn’t like this part of the debate. Both Romney and Perry fell for the Obama bodyguard Brian Williams’s tactic of avoiding Obama’s record at all costs to start intra-party fights. I really wish that both guys had taken the approach of saying something like, “You know Brian, I’m happy that Governor Romney/Perry has created jobs, because I have created jobs in my state, too. In fact, pretty much everybody on this stage has either created jobs in the private sector or supported legislation that is conducive to job creation, and that bodes well for America, because the policies of Barack Obama have decimated American jobs at a rate unseen for at least 35 years. If you guys are trying to start a fight between Republican candidates — and it’s clear that you are — you’re gonna have to find a different issue, because I’m pretty sure that all of us understand what has to happen in order to create jobs in America: cut corporate taxes, keep income taxes low, remove onerous regulations on industry and repeal Obama Care. The only way that happens is to remove Barack Obama from the White House.”

There are enough legitimate areas of policy for “spirited debate” amongst the GOP field that I don’t see the need for petty pissing matches over who created the most jobs in their particular state.

holygoat on September 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Romney: “George Bush and his predecessor created jobs faster than you [Perry] did.”

George Bush as President or as Governor of Texas? Is his predecessor former President Bill Clinton, or former Texas Governor Ann Richards (ugh!)?

Romney does have a point that it’s harder to create jobs in deep-blue Massachusetts with few natural resources than in energy-rich Texas with lots of room to expand–it’s a classic case of comparing apples and oranges.

Perry probably missed a chance here to criticize RomneyCare, which probably suppressed job creation in MA after it was passed (after the end of Romney’s term), while jobs continue to be created in Texas under Perry despite the nationwide recession.

Steve Z on September 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM