Tapper grills Carney: Why isn’t it fair to blame Obama for Hoffa’s remarks?
posted at 4:55 pm on September 6, 2011 by Allahpundit
Nice catch by JT. I’d forgotten about this incident from Campaign ’08, when McCain apologized for Bill Cunningham’s reference to “Barack Hussein Obama” in his intro at one of Maverick’s rallies. By comparison, not only is Hoffa not sorry for what he said, the best Carney can do by way of repudiation on Obama’s behalf is to say that no one speaks for The One (except him). Will that standard also apply to the Republican nominee next year? Of course not, but don’t expect any reporter there to challenge Carney on it later when the Democrats’ smear campaign against him/her gets going — except Tapper himself, of course. In fact, the new head of the DNC, who was one of the most adamant proponents of the “new tone” after the Tucson shooting, spent an entire segment on Fox News this morning deflecting questions about Hoffa rather than denouncing him. How soon things change.
Speaking of change, my favorite part of the Hoffa story is the left’s defense that he was talking specifically about voting when he called for taking those tea-party “sons of bitches” out. That’s super, but the whole point of the “new tone” demagoguery after Tucson was that intent doesn’t matter. Go re-read Palin’s Facebook post from March 2010 showcasing the crosshairs map that the media would make famous 10 months later. Sample quote: “This is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington.” Elections. Voting. And yet it didn’t matter to our liberal betters after Giffords was shot; the argument then was that the political “climate” in America had become so heated that it was irresponsible to use violent rhetoric or imagery even in service to a perfectly pedestrian nonviolent call for voter turnout. Remember? We were all going to clean up our language lest the scrambled brains of the Jared Loughners of the world derive some sort of incitement to murder from them where none was intended. Fast forward eight months and here’s the president of the Teamsters coloring his own turnout plea with a bunch of war metaphors and a call to start taking “sons of bitches” out, oblivious to the possibility that Loughners might exist on his side as well. How’s that post-Tucson rhetorical standard working out for you now, liberal friends? Is that bed you made for yourselves comfortable?
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Loughner was on the side of the democratics.
slickwillie2001 on September 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM
So what Carney is saying is its no holds barred for Obama minions, everyone else, not so much, in fact, for the Tea Party all holds are barred all opponents are racists or whatever is the worst that the left can think up.
Its time to play pin the economic blame on the donkey.
Speakup on September 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM
I have to play grammar police here, in case no one has caught it so far. Hoffa said “son of bitches.” Everyone seems to have automatically corrected his comment to “sonS of bitches.”
[Insert generic, uneducated labor goon comment here]
Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about l’Affaire Cunningham as well. That was a good catch.
MJBrutus on September 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM
While I am sure Loughner would not claim to be on either side, from the videos of his that I saw, he seemed a hell of a lot more Bill Ayers to me than Ronald Reagan.
AndrewsDad on September 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM
http://leftoutinamerica.wordpress.com/tag/hoffa-flew-on-air-force-one/
Mr_Magoo on September 6, 2011 at 6:30 PM
She should be ashamed of herself being Giffords close friend and all.
Mr_Magoo on September 6, 2011 at 6:33 PM
Friends? Wasserman-Schultz has no friends.
coldwarrior on September 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM
Hoffa’s speech was clearly an incitement to violence. When he said it was time to take those sons of bitches out, he meant take those sons of bitches out. Hoffa wasn’t speaking figuratively–and besides, Hoffa can always deny he meant it literally later, should GOP campaign rallies, candidate headquarters, and polling places on election day be disrupted by flash mob attacks and the like.
It’s kinda sorta like the word ‘jihad’. When pressed, apologists for Islam claim ‘jihad’ means an internal spiritual struggle of some sort, purely metaphorical, nothing to see here, can’t blame us for all that blood and carnage, no sir.
I keep saying it: these people are not going to surrender power on the basis of a fair and free election. The hardcore Left of the Democratic Party has schemed and struggled and striven for years to put one of their own in the White House. They will lie, cheat, and intimidate to keep him there.
Prediction: If the 2012 presidential election is even passingly close and Obama’s numbers are anywhere near five percentage points of his Republican challenger on election day, the President will win–not because he wins wins but because anywhere near five points will make his reelection believable and accusations of cheating will seem like sour grapes. Welcome to the Chicago Way.
troyriser_gopftw on September 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM
Hoffa’s speech was clearly an incitement to violence. When he said it was time to take those sons of b*tches out, he meant take those sons of b*tches out. Hoffa wasn’t speaking figuratively–and besides, Hoffa can always deny he meant it literally later, should GOP campaign rallies, candidate headquarters, and polling places on election day be disrupted by flash mob attacks and the like.
It’s kinda sorta like the word ‘jihad’. When pressed, apologists for Islam claim ‘jihad’ means an internal spiritual struggle of some sort, purely metaphorical, nothing to see here, can’t blame us for all that blood and carnage, no sir.
I keep saying it: these people are not going to surrender power on the basis of a fair and free election. The hardcore Left of the Democratic Party has schemed and struggled and striven for years to put one of their own in the White House. They will lie, cheat, and intimidate to keep him there.
Prediction: If the 2012 presidential election is even passingly close and Obama’s numbers are anywhere near five percentage points of his Republican challenger on election day, the President will win–not because he wins wins but because anywhere near five points will make his reelection believable and accusations of cheating will seem like sour grapes. Welcome to the Chicago Way.
troyriser_gopftw on September 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM
Hoffa went to high school in Detroit. ‘Nuff Said!
Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM
Jake Tapper, doing the job that American journalists will not do.
carbon_footprint on September 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM
Would saying we’re going to take out Obama in 2012 be;
a. racist
b. extremist,
c. criminal
d. all of the above
Or factual?
chickasaw42 on September 6, 2011 at 6:54 PM
Obama and Carney stand by this too.
Schadenfreude on September 6, 2011 at 7:07 PM
The main issue here, which a lot of people are missing, is that there was never any need for Obama to give a speech about civility in the first place. Gabby Giffords shooting had nothing to do with political rhetoric. The MSM created a story out of thin air by focusing on Sarah Palin’s politcal ad, with the hope that the shooter would turn out to be a Tea Partier. When the guy turned out to be an apolitical nutcase, there was no way the MSM was going to backtrack, so they focused on the lame idea that, regardless of who shot Giffords or why, we still needed to tone down the rhetoric. So of course, Obama couldn’t wait to be a part of this farce by giving a speech, in which he told both sides to tone it down, but the implication that it was Palin and the Tea Party that necessitated the speech.
Amy Kremer completely misses this point. The points she was making in her interview with CNN created the impression that Obama’s civility speech was useful, and that he’s being a hypocrite by not denouncing Hoffa. What she ought to be saying is that Obama’s hypocrisy proves that his speech was pure BS in the first place, along with the MSM’s hysteria over Palin’s crosshairs ad.
ardenenoch on September 6, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Maybe General Powell can tell us how that new Civility Institute is working out!
huckleberryfriend on September 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM
As Weasel Zippers stated, Carney is twisting himself into a pretzel trying to cover for his “boss”. What a maroon! We all watched/heard what the moroninchief said/did. Don’t even go there little man……
sicoit on September 6, 2011 at 7:35 PM
I am waiting for Paul Krugman and Keith Olbermann to blame Hoffa for inciting this with his violent rhetoric.
JamesB on September 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Thanks, Mr. M.!
Mary in LA on September 6, 2011 at 7:38 PM
And to add insult to further injury Obama used that BS speech to kick off his re-election campaign with the new theme Together We Thrive..it was so blatant and disgusting that he had to change to WTF…
Also Palin’s response was so good and presidential that they had to conjure out fake outrage over blood libel which onlhy made their attempted smear of assocaiton more laughable…that was a complete and digusting display of how low and decietful the Hatefilled Left will stoop to in order to win. 2012 is going to be very dangerous. Trumka and Hoffa are trying to incite their membership to violence in order to intimidate us into submitting. If you don’t want to end up a victim and helpless get to a gunshop and then to the range…
CCRWM on September 6, 2011 at 7:49 PM
And I thought Gibbs was a piece of work. This Carney D$%#$@ is a shoe in for this seasons DWTS trophy.
Koa on September 6, 2011 at 7:51 PM
So, the question is who, outside of a couple of cable outfits, actually put the pressure on the administration? Tapper puts the pressure on during a presser, did ABC lead with it tonight? I doubt it. Did NBC press Carney also, on this issue? I doubt it. So the problem is, as always, we have a free press in this country that is wasting that particular provision, in our constitution, to become the propaganda arm of one political party.
If you are constantly picking a side, and that side is constantly losing, shouldn’t you get the point that there just aren’t too many people taking you seriously? If that’s the case, and you’re a news outfit, shouldn’t you be concerned and want to find out what the problem is? Apparently not.
By election time next year, our free press will have so little credibility, they will have absolutely no influence on the election what-so-ever. They will not have informed the public about the candidates, they will not have conducted a substantive interview with the candidates (because they’ll avoid one with Obama and they’ll play “gotcha” with his opponent) and they will have unanamously picked Obama to be the next President. So, when he loses, the egg you see will be on their faces, as they go down for the third time.
bflat879 on September 6, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Hoffa’s speech was Surprisingly Good TM when you take into account there must be some TP sons who were born to ‘bitches.’
leftnomore on September 6, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Good for you willie. Too many on our side? don’t understand that the Tucson shootings were just an opportunity to cynically attack Palin. No fair minded person thought her words provoked Loughner.
Basilsbest on September 6, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Since when did pink ties become popular?
keep the change on September 6, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Palin Fires Back
Jocundus on September 6, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Every day, I hope and pray the left takes these politicians words seriously to heart.
Maybe, just maybe, we can begin fixing this country instead of arguing who’s going to be captain of a sinking ship with it’s officers divided.
MadDogF on September 6, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Um wait, what? When was it stipulated that Loughner was on *our* side to begin with?
wtf?
Midas on September 6, 2011 at 8:12 PM
Wait. McCain apologized for someone else using Obama’s real name?! I must have missed that. No wonder he lost.
More I think about it the more it just seems like the country has swung into a multiple down-biorhythm period for Democrat party operatives. The sum of all their intellects is definitely less than the parts. This guy Carney is like one of those annoying dweebs who must have attracted schoolyard bullies like trailer parks attract tornadoes. Debbie Katzenjammer-Schultz is like the know-it-all rat-fink suck-up who’d turn you in for smoking if you didn’t let her cheat off your test (And she’d still get the answers wrong.) Eric Holder would wash out of the school safety patrol. The president…well, you know all about him. Not quite a teacher’s pet, just one of those kids the teachers would feel sorry for, and for sure benefited from a weird kind of social promotion. If you were a union thug-boss and had all these toddlers on a leash wouldn’t you make them jump? You’d almost think less of the Trumpkas and Hoffas if they didn’t.
curved space on September 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM
The little d-bag looks like swallowed a toad.
Tim_CA on September 6, 2011 at 8:32 PM
How can this bonehead sleep at night? Carney is bought and paid for, what a slime. Nothing but lies and deceit, unfit for office, but Sarah P is “not electable.”
leftnomore on September 6, 2011 at 8:33 PM
So OBAMA and all of his crony liars and flunkie communists are fine, but Sarah Palin is unreasonable if she considers running for the presidency. Would someone explain this to me? Allah, you first.
leftnomore on September 6, 2011 at 8:36 PM
Hey, I went too hi skool in Detroit, wat are yoo saying?
PatMac on September 6, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Gird your loins, TP’ers.
chewmeister on September 6, 2011 at 8:44 PM
Doing the right thing:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150285058673435
Crickets out of every other corner of the GOP leadership/candidates. One has the courage to stand up, as always, and say what needs to be said.
BruthaMan on September 6, 2011 at 8:48 PM
I have a few thoughts on this. Good for Tapper for asking the question. But what about our Republican leaders? Obama is playing politics with this speech Thursday night. Seems to me this is a great chance for Boehner to score points and make the media actually pay attention to this.
The Speaker should write a public letter the Obama saying something like this:
“Mr President,
At a time of such great economic pain for our country it saddens me to see you tacitly approve of the demonization of fellow Americans. You declare yourself “proud” of a man, Jimmy Hoffa, moments after he refers to other citizens as “son of bitches” and implies physical violence against them by offering to be your “army” and “take them out”. Days later he refuses to back off these remarks, and your own press secretary refuses to condemn these despicable remarks. This, Mr. President, can only be seen as an endorsement of these terrible, divisive, and potentially violence inducing statements.
I am also saddened by your silence over even worse remarks by members of the CBC an organization of which you where a member from 2005 to 2008. Fellow members of this group have baselessly accused fellow Americans of wanting to see blacks “hanging from trees”. They have told there fellow Americans to “go to hell”. These are comments that should be condemned. And after your call for more civility in your Arizona speech, we hear nothing but silence from you. As President it is your duty to due so. As a member of the caucus, it is unethical to have no comment.
Mr. President these comments are unacceptable. Your refusal to condemn them can only mean that you agree with them. Mr. President, the people attacked in these vile statements are my constituents. But more importantly, it agains saddens me to have to remind you, as the President, they are also yours.
In view of this situation, I see no way, in good conscience to attend your address Thursday night. To do so under the current situation, would be be an acceptance of your endorsement of these inappropriate potentially violence inducing words.
Out of respect of the office of President, not in spite of it, I decline my invitation.
Sincerely,
John Boehner”
The media would have no choice but to cover this then. And Obama would have no way to defend it. I would love to see the heads exploding. If only our leaders were smart enough.
tottoritodd on September 6, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Wheres John Boehner? How can he attend this speech when the President is tacitly endorsing violence against fellow Americans? This s a great chance to man up against this bully.
tottoritodd on September 6, 2011 at 8:59 PM
VDH has an excellent summary of how/why the Left has no claims to civility: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/276356/credibility-decline-victor-davis-hanson#comments
onlineanalyst on September 6, 2011 at 9:06 PM
What I wrote previously…he should cancel the invite. Then again, since that may not be possible due to A, B and C then the whole R House must come together with a presser.
ProudPalinFan on September 6, 2011 at 9:08 PM
Gretchen Carlson pwned that idiot Wasserman-Schultz this morning. It was a thing of beauty. The Dems don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to civility
NoLeftTurn on September 6, 2011 at 9:12 PM
As I said yesterday, Palin is the only GOP leader with the insight and courage to call Obama on his hypocrisy.
Basilsbest on September 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM
What’s the implication here, AP? That Loughner was on our side? That he was compelled to shoot up the place because war metaphors are commonly used political rhetoric? Both??
SukieTawdry on September 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM
Wow. I just got filtered for trying to quote the “courage” speech from The Wizard of Oz.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:31 PM
I’ve now tried different lines, to see where the block is.
Courage. What makes a King out of a slave? Courage.
What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:34 PM
What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist or the dusky dusk?
What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:35 PM
What makes the Sphinx the 7th Wonder? Courage.
What makes the dawn come up like THUNDER?! Courage.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:36 PM
What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist or the dusky dusk?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:37 PM
What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM
Carney: “let’s instead talk about jobs and growing this economy”.
Deflecting from one losing argument to another.
HellCat on September 6, 2011 at 9:39 PM
How weird; the line that won’t get by the filter is:
What makes the elephant ch arge his tusk, in the misty mist, or the musky must?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:39 PM
So the word Ch arge is filtered?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Are you being serious or sarcastic? They have all been taking it to Obama, even Mrs Huntsman.
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM
Linky?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM
Really? Have you not been watching the news? At all?
With the exception of the Pawlenty v. Bachman debacle and the anonymous sources criticizing Perry for returning to Texas, I thought all of the candidates had done a good job of concentrating the attacks on the Prez.
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM
The ERA of WHITE GUILT is Officially OVER!!!
Mutnodjmet on September 6, 2011 at 9:55 PM
He can “no comment” all he wants, but as far as I am concerned, Hoffa is Obama’s. Own it pal
Skywatcher44 on September 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM
So, no link?
Seriously, I’ve not seen any candidate routinely taking it directly to the President.
So, help an old bald guy out; where did you see this?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 9:59 PM
Carney? Isn’t that what people working at carnivals are called? And what a carnival this presidency is …
TXUS on September 6, 2011 at 10:00 PM
Wake me when it’s over…
teacherman on September 6, 2011 at 10:00 PM
??
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 10:02 PM
I haven’t either, especially over this most recent attack by union thugs.
It’s always Sarah that says what needs to be said, while everyone else cowers in the corner because they are worried about their job or the media attacking them.
BruthaMan on September 6, 2011 at 10:09 PM
umm the last debate, Fox News every day as the follow the candidates on the campaign trail.
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 10:13 PM
I love posters who say “this has happened,” and can’t substantiate their claims.
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 10:15 PM
Loughner was not on “our side” – IIRC, he was more “their side” than “our side.”
disa on September 6, 2011 at 10:15 PM
You are highly perceptive then, as you alone see these things.
Specifics?
massrighty on September 6, 2011 at 10:16 PM
I don’t know about the rest of you but anytime I hear someone named “Hoffa” talking about taking people out, my first thought is NEVER about voting. The words “Hoffa” and “violence” just flow together…..
LL
Lady Logician on September 6, 2011 at 10:16 PM
So you missed the debate?
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 10:17 PM
There’s really no way to substantiate it. I think Anton misunderstands the idea that, any time something significant happens on the left (Hoffa’s comments…the current example), our republican “leaders” are silent as a church mouse in a cathedral on Christmas eve.
It’s as if they have no fight in them at all. It’s always Sarah, that comes out and says what needs to be said.
BruthaMan on September 6, 2011 at 10:26 PM
B,b,b,b,b,b,but Jay . . . none of your policies to create jobs work. It’s as painfully obvious as your utter hypocrisy that this President cannot run on his record.
All the candidate of “Hope and Change” has to motivate votes is Fear and Loathing of his opponents.
Pathetic. Nice job, Tapper. Keep it up.
mizzoujgrad on September 6, 2011 at 10:27 PM
No. I understand she may be first to address the issue at certain times. I do like her somewhat and certainly appreciate her positions. Today tho Romney and Perry were “busy”one with his campaign and one with his state, and calling them out because Palin posted on Facebook before them seems a little shallow. Somewhat like giving her kudos for posting “First!”
And saying that she is the only one attacking President Doofus is just pure fantasy.
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 10:37 PM
She’s the only that has addressed about *any* issue the past two years or so. It’s not that she’s just first, she’s the *only* one.
Sure, we’re in campaign season *now* and some of the candidates are taking Obama to task for the economy, for which these candidates seek to replace. That’s not what we’re talking about. Before election season, all these candidates were silent any time something came up, including our GOP leaders.
BruthaMan on September 6, 2011 at 10:50 PM
If by “all these candidates” you mean Cain & maybe Huntsman I agree somewhat.
Anton on September 6, 2011 at 10:59 PM
With all the blunders in this Administration, I would not be surprised if Carney quit. Then again, he is woefully unqualified for the position.Carney makes Scott McClennan look like a member of Mensa.
Thank you Mr.Tapper for pressing Carney on the issue, something most in the GOP Leadership will not do with this Administration
SmallGovtGuy on September 6, 2011 at 11:02 PM
I’ve yet to see any republican candidate or leader, other than Sarah, address this latest issue. I submit, unless asked at a debate specifically, it will continue that way. It always does.
Republican leaders always let issues like these slide every time, which is why they continue.
BruthaMan on September 6, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Obama sure knows how to pick his friends. God d*mn those (American) sons of b*tches! How many revolutionary reverends, murdering terrorists and union thugs do you have to keep company with before you become known for the company you keep?
I’m beginning to believe that it is only Obama’s utter incompetence that keeps us from being totally boned.
Immolate on September 7, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Well now that we clearly know the rules, I say: both Hoffa and Obama are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for this.
Cylor on September 7, 2011 at 12:58 AM
Haven’t read previous/earlier comments, but:
The epitome of foolishness was Carney claiming that “Obama wasn’t even there, he wasn’t on the stage…Obama didn’t hear Hoffa’s (remarks).”
What ineptitude. It’s laughable that Carney would make such a claim/excuse to avoid holding Obama responsible for his follow-up praising of Hoffa from the stage itself.
Not there? Didn’t “hear”? Where WAS Obama, on the golf course?
Lourdes on September 7, 2011 at 2:45 AM
This is the same ridiculous deceit as Obama boasting that, when and if he wasn’t “in church” he “always bought the tape…and listened to every one of the tapes” when he was ‘on the road’ or otherwise.
When soon asked about Wright’s wretched statements and promotions, Obama claimed he “wasn’t aware of them…never heard (them)…”
But, but, what about all those tapes he made sure to get and listen to…
Lourdes on September 7, 2011 at 2:50 AM
She was, in fact, quite preposterously avoidant in her confusing, pained, antagonistic ‘speech’ before the American public this morning. They’re shocking, Wasserman-Schultz’s bizarre appearances.
Lourdes on September 7, 2011 at 3:02 AM
The only thing the Palin-haters will find remarkable about her posting is that she was able to wake one of her writers that late at night to pen it for her.
SKYFOX on September 7, 2011 at 6:34 AM
Jay Carney, you show yourself a useful fool day after day. At what price was your dignity bought??
ted c on September 7, 2011 at 6:44 AM
The Jeremiah Wright Defense: I sat in his congregation for 20 years but didn’t hear a word that he said.
petefrt on September 7, 2011 at 7:32 AM
I’ve become convinced it’s not an era. It’s a gene.
petefrt on September 7, 2011 at 7:37 AM
Mr. Carney, do you know if the president has had a chance to play Tea Party Zombies Must Die yet? Follow up: What was his high score?
Extrafishy on September 7, 2011 at 7:38 AM
heh
cmsinaz on September 7, 2011 at 7:47 AM
The only staggering thing about this incident is that foks here are surprized and the double standard and the call to violence, fully suported by a weakened Obama. This is, after all, his game. That’s what street organizers do is turn out the thugs when needed -like pid mercenaries -they don’t care what the job is, or how dirty, they’re up to the task.
How far this intimidation, this game of threats to get a similar reaction from the victims(everyday citizens) so he can go around the constitution, the congress, the judge whatever, and impose his will upon America.
I just finished reading Sarah’s reaction and it is powerful in its understanding of where we are, who Obama really is(she doesn’t hold back) and she spells out the difference between Obama and herself. Any who think this lady isn’t capable, and isn’t running, and is going to back down with their intimidation, is on another planet reading Superman comics for their news sense.
Don L on September 7, 2011 at 8:08 AM
Charge!
Badger40 on September 7, 2011 at 8:59 AM
Well, evidently charge isn’t a bad word after all here at HA.
Nice to know.
Actually, speaking of such things, it would sure be nice to get a list of all censored words.
Badger40 on September 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM
Probably depends on context. If I’m discussing my dog’s flea and heartworm medication then “Rev0lution” is not taboo. Otherwise…
Extrafishy on September 7, 2011 at 9:26 AM
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