Romney pings Perry on immigration

posted at 8:23 pm on September 2, 2011 by Tina Korbe

At the Republican National Hispanic Assembly in Florida, a state in which Mitt Romney remains the frontrunner, the former Massachusetts governor talked tough on immigration and insinuated ever-so-politely that his rival, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, would do little more than President Barack Obama has done (that is, nothing) to address border security and immigration reform:

Addressing the Republican National Hispanic Assembly in Florida, Mr. Romney said the U.S. “must do a better job of securing its borders, and as president, I will.” Mr. Romney said that includes “completing construction of a high-tech fence.”

Mr. Romney didn’t mention Mr. Perry by name, but the Texas governor has dismissed the idea of a fence along the entire U.S.-Mexico border as “ridiculous,” but has said he supports a fence in some metropolitan areas. Mr. Romney also focused on in-state tuition for illegal immigrants.

“Finally, we must stop providing the incentives that promote illegal immigration.  As governor, I vetoed legislation that would have provided in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants.” Under a bill Mr. Perry signed, Texas provides in-state tuition for illegal immigrants who meet certain criteria.

That Perry is more lax than Romney on border security is perplexing, considering the illegal immigrant population in Texas is ten times that of Massachusetts. In other words, Perry has seen the problem up close and personally — and presumably would want to address it head-on. But, then, his firsthand witness no doubt has informed his views of what solutions are realistic and achievable. Hence his assessment of a fence to secure the border — often dismissed as an impracticable solution – as “ridiculous”? But what of his support for the Texas version of DREAM and his hints at the advisability of binational health insurance?

Obviously, Perry will have to answer questions about his stances on immigration and any other issue on which Romney can zing him — because Romney won’t let up anytime soon. One poll shows Perry ahead of Romney even in Nevada — the one state that is supposed to be an absolute given for Romney.

Update (AP): Hmmmm.


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Both parties are weak on immigration. News at 11.

therightwinger on September 2, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Perry has changed his position on immigration.
Mitt is defending ObamneyCare.

itsnotaboutme on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

I sense a renewed appreciation of the Mittster by nistas any minute now.

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Romney is no place to criticize on this issue, but, it’s good to see Perry vetted.

Daemonocracy on September 2, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

what? She forgot to mention gardasil?

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 8:30 PM

One thing people need to understand is when you are Governor of a state where 40% of the people are hispanic, it is not wise to go around offending them. This is an area that you have to tread lightly, knowing no matter what you say it will be twisted. I give Perry some wiggle room on this issue. For those of us living in Texas, hispanics are all over the place. You work with them, you go to church with them, they mow your yard, etc. When you are around them all the time, you tend to not see them as “the enemy”. I am against illegal immigration and believe something needs to be done to curb the traffic coming in. However, we need to convince legal immigrants that it is in their favor to move on immigration reform.

ramrants on September 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Perry has changed his position on immigration.
Mitt is defending ObamneyCare.
itsnotaboutme on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

And here I can recall when Mitt was the flip-flopper!

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

What are you talking about?

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

is that all you do is bitch?

Daemonocracy on September 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Just because you’re against illegal immigration doesn’t mean you see hispanics as “the enemy”. Ridiculous, liberal sounding statement….Most hispanics are good hard working people..still doesn’t mean you can ignore laws.

therightwinger on September 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM

But c’mon, Rick Perry is SO much more conservative than Mitt Romney (despite all evidence to the contrary).

JA on September 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM

I am against illegal immigration and believe something needs to be done to curb the traffic coming in. However, we need to convince legal immigrants that it is in their favor to move on immigration reform.
ramrants on September 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Problem is Perry has a history of things such as throwing out the welcome mat for anchor babies. Also, what percentage of Hispanics in TX are there via legal immigration vs. just wading across the Rio Grande?

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Update (AP): Hmmmm.

Tina…Mittens was always in favor of illegal immigration glad to see AP nailed you on that. Tell you what go and read every post/comment about Mittens during the last election on this site before you make a fool out of yourself again.

Tina = Babe in the woods.

F15Mech on September 2, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

What are you talking about?

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:33 PM

You beat me to the “what article are you reading???”.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Are you nuts? Unable to read? Or do you like pissing on the shoes of everyone who writes here at HA?

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Can you be more blatant in your pimping of Perry, Tina?

promachus on September 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

No one’s forcing you to be here.
%^&*(*& whiner.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM

You beat me to the “what article are you reading???”.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:37 PM

windansea beat me to it with a better zinger to boot.

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Or do you like pissing on the shoes of everyone who writes here at HA?
Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 8:39 PM

I think a lot of people just scan headlines and key words pop out at them.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:42 PM

windansea beat me to it with a better zinger to boot.

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Heh, just checked it out. Good un.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Or do you like pissing on the shoes of everyone who writes here at HA?

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 8:39 PM

I honestly have no idea why he comes around. He hates Tina, and did you see the way he was tearing into AP last night? Ed is fair to Perry, too. Does he hate Ed as well?

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Tina…Mittens was always in favor of illegal immigration glad to see AP nailed you on that. Tell you what go and read every post/comment about Mittens during the last election on this site before you make a fool out of yourself again.

F15Mech on September 2, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Mitt Romney was endorsed in the last election by NumbersUSA and Tom Tancredo. He’s not fantastic on the issue, but he’s far, far better than Perry.

Jon0815 on September 2, 2011 at 8:47 PM

One thing people need to understand is when you are Governor of a state where 40% of the people are hispanic, it is not wise to go around offending them. This is an area that you have to tread lightly, knowing no matter what you say it will be twisted. I give Perry some wiggle room on this issue. For those of us living in Texas, hispanics are all over the place. You work with them, you go to church with them, they mow your yard, etc. When you are around them all the time, you tend to not see them as “the enemy”. I am against illegal immigration and believe something needs to be done to curb the traffic coming in. However, we need to convince legal immigrants that it is in their favor to move on immigration reform.

ramrants on September 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM

So if Perry can’t risk alienating Hispanics by cracking down on illegal immigration while he is Governor of Texas, is he really going to start cracking down on illegal immigration if he becomes the President?

Aitch748 on September 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I sense a renewed appreciation of the Mittster by nistas any minute now.

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 8:29 PM

ok, make that 2 minutes

Mitt Romney was endorsed in the last election by NumbersUSA and Tom Tancredo. He’s not fantastic on the issue, but he’s far, far better than Perry.

Jon0815 on September 2, 2011 at 8:47 PM

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM

I dunno. Both Romney’s (in the video at least, he seems to have changed his opinion) and Perry’s approach to the illegal immigration problem seem reasonable considering the complexities of the issue. Now the idea of Romney running to the right of anyone except O’Buttmunch is funny to say the least.

Anton on September 2, 2011 at 8:51 PM

I honestly have no idea why he comes around. He hates Tina, and did you see the way he was tearing into AP last night? Ed is fair to Perry, too. Does he hate Ed as well?

John the Libertarian on September 2, 2011 at 8:43 PM

He hates everyone except Palin and then pisses and moans about how unfair Ed, AP, Tina are towards her. I watched the back and forth between him and AP last night, it was comedy gold!

He’s just an ugly human being and got called out on it the other night by his fellow Palin supporters when I mentioned I was divorced and he threw some ugly back at me.

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 8:52 PM

So if Perry can’t risk alienating Hispanics by cracking down on illegal immigration while he is Governor of Texas, is he really going to start cracking down on illegal immigration if he becomes the President?
Aitch748 on September 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM

And isn’t it a major test of character for a person to do the right thing when it’s tough to do so rather than (possibly, perhaps, maybe) when it’s convenient?

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 8:52 PM

I told Lanceman that I was going to boycott the comments because ‘it’ didn’t suffer any consequences for its treatment of you.
Alas, this blog is an addiction that I just can’t quit.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 8:55 PM

what solutions are realistic and achievable

I’ve always found the “we’re powerless to solve the problem” argument unpersuasive. We can land a man on the moon and return him safely to the earth, but we can’t make e-verify work?

Ted Torgerson on September 2, 2011 at 8:55 PM

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Try again. I’m not a ‘nista.

Jon0815 on September 2, 2011 at 8:57 PM

As a Perry supporter I’ll admit that his record on illegal immigration is a bit weaker than I’d like. However, he can (and likely will) frame the problem as a federal government failure to secure the border.

With the high percentage of Latinos in Texas, I can understand why he might not have been as gung-ho on illegal immigration as I’d like, even if I disagree with it. Romney and Palin haven’t been 100% pure when it comes to illegal immigration, either.

Hollowpoint on September 2, 2011 at 8:58 PM

rick “the dream act” Perry. amazing tha tthe GOP is even thinking of nominating an open borders guy as the nominee. simply amazing. Bush 2.5 and shamnasty all over again.

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:00 PM

One thing people need to understand is when you are Governor State Senator of a state Chicago, where 40% of the peoplepoliticians are hispanic crooks, it is not wise to go around offending them. This is an area that you have to tread lightly, knowing no matter what you say it will be twisted.

ramrants on September 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Switched Perry and Barry but the concept is the same. Don’t fret the rules if it risks your political future.

Ted Torgerson on September 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Not only has Romney called for amnesty, but Palin has called for a pathway to citizenship, too. Back during the 2008 campaign.

amerpundit on September 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Next Romney Ad :
“Rick Perry’s Religious Beliefs Makes Him Unelectable!”

Anton on September 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM

I’m glad I don’t have to sacrifice my core beliefs to support some open borders type of candidate. but if he wins the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for him and pray he doesn’t do a Bush on immigration reform…

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Politics is politics. He got elected in Texas by walking the illegal immigrant tightrope. He needed the Hispanics. As a President he will be freer to do what is needed for the whole country. Hypocrisy? Politics? Honesty? Dishonesty? Yep! all of the above. You just do what you got to do while trying like hell to hold on to your core beliefs. He’s got them.

PaCadle on September 2, 2011 at 9:03 PM

This is something he does need to clarify IMO.

I hope he does so at the debate – and does so well

gophergirl on September 2, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Doesn’t matter what any of them say. The POTUS doesn’t have THAT much power, does he/she? Not without funding from congress. Am I wrong?

Also, can someone tell me just how much of the vote we are talking about here? I know a few “legal” aliens and legal citizens, all from Mexico…and they are all anti-illegal immigration. Some of them more fierce about it than I am and I’m not from Mexico.
I’d like to know the actual numbers. I’d also like to know the give/take on illegal Votes that could be counted.

bridgetown on September 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM

As a Perry supporter I’ll admit that his record on illegal immigration is a bit weaker than I’d like. However, he can (and likely will) frame the problem as a federal government failure to secure the border.
Hollowpoint on September 2, 2011 at 8:58 PM

If you go back and look at any of his statements, you’ll see, he’s clearly laying the blame on the Federal Government and their unwillingness to secure the border, deport criminals, and enforce the laws already on the books.

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Not only has Romney called for amnesty, but Palin has called for a pathway to citizenship, too. Back during the 2008 campaign.

amerpundit on September 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

that doesn’t count because Sarah didn’t really mean it, she was forced at gunpoint to pitch shamnesty. Palin, as Governor of Facebook is clearly Tancredo like on the immigration issue, thats why she got a D instead of a D minus at Numbers USA.

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Perry will have to answer questions about his stances on immigration and any other issue on which Romney can zing him — because Romney won’t let up anytime soon.

Indeed he will. Which is why I and millions of others are reluctant to endorse this obvious RINO.

We’re being invaded. The Chinese solved their problems with unwanted intruders over 2,000 years ago! And we can’t do the same with our technology? Imagine the jobs that would be produced ( no illegals please! ) if we did this.

We can put a man on the moon…..a rover on Mars…but we can’t build a wall?

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Fact: it is the job of the federal government to secure the borders.
The state has very little power to this, and when the state tries, they get sued. See Arizona.

Rick Perry has never governed from the federal level so all we can go by is from what he has said. He is going to put troops/boots on the border if elected.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I’m glad I don’t have to sacrifice my core beliefs to support some open borders type of candidate. but if he wins the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for him and pray he doesn’t do a Bush on immigration reform…

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM

why not? Palin clearly did this in 2008

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Mittens always runs the risk of having his attacks blow up in his face. Regardless what another candidate has done, Romney has probably done worse. He will “ping” Perry for immigration, but he has supported amnesty, then had an epiphany against illegal immigration, then supported amnesty, and…

Mittens = McCain = Hillary, just look at their records. The reason Mittens is afraid to attack isn’t because he is above the fray, it’s because he’ll get called out for supporting even more obnoxious positions.

Romney’s record in Massachusetts speaks for itself, it’s abysmal. His only selling point is that he won an election as a liberal Republican in a liberal state. Every thing he did as governor was disastrous.

Rode Werk on September 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

bridgetown on September 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM

The president can beef up border enforcement. The president can set policy of enforcing immigration laws through deportation. The president can spend the money Congress allocated to constructing a fence. The president can use the IRS and Justice Department to fine employers that are hiring illegals. There is a lot a president can do. This problem exists because our presidents, Republican and Democrat, have chosen not to perform their constitutional duties to execute the law, and that has created an atmosphere where the immigration laws are not taken seriously. Cases in point: Auntie Zatunie and Uncle Omar.

Ted Torgerson on September 2, 2011 at 9:14 PM

We’re being invaded. The Chinese solved their problems with unwanted intruders over 2,000 years ago! And we can’t do the same with our technology? Imagine the jobs that would be produced ( no illegals please! ) if we did this.

We can put a man on the moon…..a rover on Mars…but we can’t build a wall?

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Building a fence along the entire border is not possible. You are going to have to build the fence down the middle of the Rio Grande so you do not cut off water access to the land owners; and in many places, the border meanders outside of the Rio Grande. You think Texas wants a Great Wall in the Big Bend?? Be realistic.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Rick Perry has never governed from the federal level so all we can go by is from what he has said.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Unfortunately for Perry – as with everyone – the actions speak louder than words.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Update (AP): Hmmmm.

They sound like reasonable proposals:)

Buy Danish on September 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM

If you go back and look at any of his statements, you’ll see, he’s clearly laying the blame on the Federal Government and their unwillingness to secure the border, deport criminals, and enforce the laws already on the books.

Knucklehead on September 2, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Yeah, but he’s also made some “path to citizenship” noise, though under the condition that the border be secured first.

Given that border security is one that is favored both by Republicans and general election voters I have no reason to believe that he’d go squishy on border security and illegal immigration as President or candidate.

Hollowpoint on September 2, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Rick Perry stated he is against the USA DREAM Act and is against amnesty.
Call him a liar, but don’t say is for something when he says he is not.
Texas DREAM Act is not the USA DREAM Act.
It received four no votes from the Texas Congress and was a veto-proof majority.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Unfortunately for Perry – as with everyone – the actions speak louder than words.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM

And we can not see what is actions will be at the federal level unless he is elected.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

AP Interview: Tough talk from Paul on Perry

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential contender Ron Paul likened Texas Gov. Rick Perry to a “candidate of the week” Friday afternoon and said his Republican opponent’s poll numbers would fall quickly once voters get to know him better.

“He was the one saying, ‘Oh yeah, I’m all for seces*ion,’ and that kind of talk,” Paul told The Associated Press. “The only thing I would advise is looking into him, looking at his record, and not just taking him at face value. Texas has had a lot of changes in these last eight years, not exactly positive either.”

In a 2009 interview, Perry said there was no reason for Texas to sec*de from the union, but suggested it was a possibility if Washington political leaders continued to “thumb their nose at the American people.”

Paul’s aggressive criticism — coupled with his rising media profile — threaten to taint Perry’s image among some Republican voters. Paul finished second in the Iowa straw poll and enjoys a passionate following in early voting states like New Hampshire as well. And while he espouses libertarian views, Paul dismissed speculation he would abandon his Republican candidacy for another party.

Asked directly whether he had ruled out a third-party bid, Paul said, “Essentially I have.”

“The reason I rule it out, the easiest way, and this is disgusting, because we don’t have a very good Democratic process here. … The Republicans and Democrats write the laws, so they make it very hard to get on the ballot.”

Since joining the Republican presidential contest last month, Perry has leaped ahead of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in two national polls.

But in an interview on a bike trail along Lake Massabesic Friday afternoon, Paul suggested Perry was simply another “candidate of the week.”

“There are a lot of candidates who climbed real fast and went down real fast,” Paul said.

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM

One word: Obamneycare*

*only contribution of Tim Boreaplenty must be highlighted whenever and wherever Romney is mentioned

Branch Rickey on September 2, 2011 at 9:26 PM

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Quoting the chief Ronulan?
What’s next-hit pieces from DU and Daily Kos?
///

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Unfortunately for Perry – as with everyone – the actions speak louder than words.
whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM

And we can not see what is actions will be at the federal level unless he is elected.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Sorry, but I’m not up for another helping of the “we have pass it to see what’s in it” variety rationale. However, Perry’s actions to date on this issue have not been good – as noted by the fact he’s open for criticism on it by other candidates.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM

So if Perry can’t risk alienating Hispanics by cracking down on illegal immigration while he is Governor of Texas, is he really going to start cracking down on illegal immigration if he becomes the President?

Aitch748 on September 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM

If you are governor of a border state, the first reality you have to deal with is that protecting the borders is a federal government responsibility and, not only that, because of the Federal Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, there are significant limitations on what a state can do in that regard, not to mention the budgetary limitations. Further, if the President is of your own party, much less the former governor of your state and who is well liked in the state, as was W, there’s a political problem as well about openly demanding that he, the President, get off his ass and do something about it.

As to the so-called Dream Act where Perry was promoting in-state tuition for the children born here of illegals, another real world, fiscal problem for any border-state governor. Bottom line, it costs much less to give a tuition break with the chance these young men might choose a better life for themselves via a college education vs. the substantial state prison costs for where many of them will end up without that chance, the federal government being completely unwilling to deport them or their parents.

The problem for all this crap lies in Washington, in the Congress and in the Office of the President. I would argue that Perry or any border-state governor (other than Bush who was into the compassionate crap) would better handle the issue as President.

TXUS on September 2, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Mitt Romney was endorsed in the last election by NumbersUSA and Tom Tancredo. He’s not fantastic on the issue, but he’s far, far better than Perry.

Jon0815 on September 2, 2011 at 8:47 PM

As a Perry supporter I’ll admit that his record on illegal immigration is a bit weaker than I’d like. However, he can (and likely will) frame the problem as a federal government failure to secure the border.

With the high percentage of Latinos in Texas, I can understand why he might not have been as gung-ho on illegal immigration as I’d like, even if I disagree with it. Romney and Palin haven’t been 100% pure when it comes to illegal immigration, either.

Hollowpoint on September 2, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Great both are weak.

F15Mech on September 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Quoting the chief Ronulan?
What’s next-hit pieces from DU and Daily Kos?
///

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:27 PM

hey even the Paulians need some good news sometimes. Plus it was AP.

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:35 PM

You think Texas wants a Great Wall in the Big Bend?? Be realistic.

Thanks for the civility. No…I hadn’t counted on that since my idea of a continuous fence may not be possible in all locations. So…might we fill these small gaps with troops and border patrol? Just asking…cause I know we can do it.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I support Perry but I agree. Saints don’t run for office.
My son wants to attend college in TX next year-me and the ex share custody-but because my central-Illinois ex-husband claims Spawn on his taxes Spawn doesn’t qualify for instate tuition.
If my son was an illegal teenager who spent @ least 3 years in TX schools he WOULD qualify for instate.
If I were to say that fact doesn’t bother me I’d be lying.
It bothers me-a lot.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Sorry, but I’m not up for another helping of the “we have pass it to see what’s in it” variety rationale. However, Perry’s actions to date on this issue have not been good – as noted by the fact he’s open for criticism on it by other candidates.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Well, it is a reality. We can not see how he will govern at the federal level since he never has. We can look how he has governed at the state level.
You do realize that securing the border is the federal government’s responsibility and not the state’s?

Look here for Perry’s illegal immigration views, vis-a-vis federal and state responsibilities.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I’m glad I don’t have to sacrifice my core beliefs to support some open borders type of candidate. but if he wins the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for him and pray he doesn’t do a Bush on immigration reform…

unseen on September 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM

why not? Palin clearly did this in 2008

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

yoohoo…unseen

so was Palin sacrificing her core beliefs by running with and supporting McCain and shamnesty? Or did she believe in open path to citizenship for illegals then and has changed her mind?

windansea on September 2, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Totally OT- but funny as h*ll!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Thanks for the civility. No…I hadn’t counted on that since my idea of a continuous fence may not be possible in all locations. So…might we fill these small gaps with troops and border patrol? Just asking…cause I know we can do it.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM

You’re welcome.

Yes, we agree. Troops can and should be used to fill in the gaps. But those gaps aren’t small.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:44 PM

We can not see how he will govern at the federal level since he never has.

That’s a cop out. We’re voting for a guy on the basis of his performance as Governor of Texas, right?

If he’s a weak kneed pimp for the illegals…then he’ll be the same as CIC.

If he buckles under to La Raza and all the other Mexi-traitors and nationals that would rather wave a Mexi flag…than thank the GD USA for their fortune of being able to leave their sheethole of a country behind…for a better life in the US….than he’s a coward.

One…should never apologize for the USA…never. Remember…every damn mutt on the planet would rather be here….than there.

Illegal…is ILLEGAL….I want a CIC that sees them as interlopers, invaders….and incapable of assimilating into the US.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:43 PM

LMAO I watched the first 30 seconds and was laughing by the first 5.

F15Mech on September 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Building a fence along the entire border is not possible. You are going to have to build the fence down the middle of the Rio Grande so you do not cut off water access to the land owners; and in many places, the border meanders outside of the Rio Grande. You think Texas wants a Great Wall in the Big Bend?? Be realistic.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Anything is possible as long as you have determined people working towards making the possible happen.

Use our Armed Forces to patrol our borders, build fences and walls where applicable, and a strict zero tolerance for people who’ve entered our country illegally.

RedRobin145 on September 2, 2011 at 9:52 PM

That’s a cop out. We’re voting for a guy on the basis of his performance as Governor of Texas, right?

If he’s a weak kneed pimp for the illegals…then he’ll be the same as CIC.

If he buckles under to La Raza and all the other Mexi-traitors and nationals that would rather wave a Mexi flag…than thank the GD USA for their fortune of being able to leave their sheethole of a country behind…for a better life in the US….than he’s a coward.

One…should never apologize for the USA…never. Remember…every damn mutt on the planet would rather be here….than there.

Illegal…is ILLEGAL….I want a CIC that sees them as interlopers, invaders….and incapable of assimilating into the US.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM

No, not a cop out. It is a fact. Read the rest of my comment. I said we only have his experience as governor to go and and what he states his stances on issues are. Perry has never governed at the federal level and we can only go by what he says he will do governing at the federal level. If you do not believe him, that is fine. Vote for someone else.

He may be a bald-faced liar; many politicians are. But unless those who claim to know how he will govern, regarding illegal immigration, based upon how he governed as governor have ESP, we must take his word for it, for vote for Romney.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM

It bothers me-a lot.
annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM

It shouldn’t.

Had Spawn been a legal teenager who spent his senior year in Texas schools he would qualify for same.

He can still qualify for in state tuition by living here for one year, but would have to sit out of school during that time.

rukiddingme on September 2, 2011 at 9:55 PM

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:44 PM

But those gaps aren’t small.

Granted. But….what a country we live in, right? We can launch a craft that can thread the millions of miles of space and time…reach a place like Mars…and soon Jupiter. Boundless, impossible to imagine distances…yet we can’t plug a mile long hole in the Arizona desert? Maybe we need “rovers” in / on our borders?

We possess incredible military technology that our troops use every day and hour in combat….we can’t use that here?

There’s nothing…NOTHING…that the America I know is incapable of doing.

I thank you in advance for the exchange. You make HA great.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Anything is possible as long as you have determined people working towards making the possible happen.

Use our Armed Forces to patrol our borders, build fences and walls where applicable, and a strict zero tolerance for people who’ve entered our country illegally.

RedRobin145 on September 2, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Yes, and that is Perry’s stance on securing the border if he is president.

I am proposing a $100 million investment in a more secure border. There is no such thing as homeland security without border security. It is not hyperbole to say terrorists view our international border with Mexico as a prime point of entry–that is the conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community.

While the vast majority of people who come here illegally are economic migrants simply seeking a better life, the small percentage seeking to cause us harm don’t dress differently. Nor do they put out press advisories in advance of their arrival. They don’t want us to know they are here until they have done mortal damage to our people.

I support strategic fencing in urban areas along the border. But I also believe, like border sheriffs, that the best solution involves added manpower, not unmanned walls.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Perry has a whole lot of ‘explaining’ to do

Lon Chaney on September 2, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Yes, it is not only possible, it could be done by having military bivouacking along the border gaps year round. Might turn into a skirmish with the drug cartels, but it would definitely intimidate the illegal immigrants.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM

How good a candidate is Gov. Perry on these issues? He stinks. He is the worst of the Republicans and here are 10 reasons why:

1. Open Borders: Former Congressman Tom Tancredo, in a devastating article that appeared in Politico on August 11, 2011, notes that Gov. Perry gave a 2001 speech in Mexico, no less, saying he supported completely open borders, in which he called for the “free flow of individuals between these two countries who want to work and want to be an asset to our country and to Mexico.” Apparently, there can never be too much immigration from Mexico for Gov. Perry.

2. Border Fence: If you’re for open borders, you don’t want a border fence. The AP reported that in the same 2001 speech in Mexico, Gov. Perry says, “But the idea that you’re going to build a 1,200 mile wall … is idiocy. It absolutely would not work.”

3. An Arizona-style Immigration Law for Texas: Gov. Perry is against interior enforcement of our immigration laws. During the debate over Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration SB 1070, he opposed enacting something similar in his state, saying, “It would not be the right direction for Texas.”

4. Amnesty: Gov. Perry said Congress didn’t have the “maturity” to reform our immigration laws, by which he meant granting amnesty. The “Washington Watcher” at Vdare.com notes Gov. Perry has called for a “guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them with citizenship status.” In other words, at a time when a record number of Americans are out of work, Gov. Perry’s job-creation plan is to make it easier for foreigners to take more of our jobs.

5. Birthright Citizenship: An article at Youth for Western Civilization’s blog notes that Gov. Perry “supports granting citizenship to children of illegal aliens, and opposes legislation to change the current policy which grants citizenship to any child of an illegal alien.” According to the Washington Post, he has said any change of our current birthright citizenship policies would be “unconstitutional.”

For generations, politicians were afraid to touch the question of birthright citizenship, but thanks to Tea Party groups, that is starting to change. By means of a deliberate misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, any pregnant woman who manages “to fly, crawl or flop across our borders” as Jared Taylor once put it, can give birth to an American citizen. Professor Lino Graglia of the University of Texas has ably refuted this absurd view of the 14th Amendment.

As Mr. Perry’s views become better known among conservative Republicans, they could turn against him. Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann have both spoken out against birthright citizenship.

6. E-Verify: E-Verify is a federal program that lets employers make sure their workers are here legally. Vdare’s “Washington Watcher” notes that when Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson challenged Gov. Perry for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2010, she called for E-Verify for all Texas state employees. Even that was too much for Gov. Rick Perry, who stated: “E-Verify would not make a hill of beans difference when it comes to what’s happening in America today.”

Illegal immigrants who are secretly working for Al Queda or MS-13 could get jobs as state employees, but Gov. Perry is opposed to even the most basic effort to weed them out. Apparently, it doesn’t make a “hill of beans difference” to him.

7. Illegal Aliens as “Undocumented”: The same Youth for Western Civilization article reports that in a talk about his big ideas for Texas school students, he said, “And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers.” (Emphasis added). “Undocumented” is the pro-Amnesty Left’s favorite code word for illegal aliens. Needless to say, that “vision” includes college education, jobs, and everything else. It is easy to foresee a Republican-promoted amnesty of the “undocumented” under a Perry administration, just like the one the last Bush administration served up.

8. In-State Tuition for Illegal Aliens: In 2001, Gov. Perry supported and signed the Texas “DREAM Act,” which lets children of illegal aliens pay in-state tuition at Texas universities. It you live in neighboring Arizona, no in-state rates for you; but if your family sneaked illegally into Texas, Gov. Perry wants to give you tuition breaks.

Even the voters of liberal Maryland managed to upend the liberal elites’ goal of passing a “DREAM Act” in that state. So unpopular was the law there, that after a successful petition drive, Maryland voters can now decide its fate themselves in 2012.

9. Bragged About it in Mexico: After he signed the Texas DREAM Act, Gov. Perry went to Mexico to brag about it. According to the Washington Times, he said in Spanish: “Educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.” (Education is the future, and yes we can). Gov. Rick Perry, a supposedly conservative governor from the conservative state of Texas, brags in Mexico about transferring more Texas gringo money to more illegal aliens.

In 2009, Mr. Perry received the “Defender of Jerusalem” award, which is given to public figures who show a commitment to defending Israel and Jerusalem as its capital. “I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East,” said the grateful Mr. Perry. He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

10. Giuliani for President in 2008: There were many conservatives running for the 2008 Republican nomination. Gov. Perry could have backed Rep. Duncan Hunter (CA), former Sen. Fred Thompson (TN), or fellow Texan Rep. Ron Paul. Instead, he supported fellow open-borders advocate, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

Lon Chaney on September 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM

There is no such thing as homeland security without border security.

Bravo. It really comes down to National Security. There’s more than enough proof that…there are plenty here that want to do us some major damage.

However….while some may come for a “better life” they have overwhelmed our resources and generosity. They have bankrupted our institutions and gov’t agencies. To the point where American citizens who need help are cut out due to the strains illegals have placed on us.

The others….want to reap destruction on our country a bit more savagely and quickly.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Building a fence along the entire border is not possible. You are going to have to build the fence down the middle of the Rio Grande so you do not cut off water access to the land owners; and in many places, the border meanders outside of the Rio Grande. You think Texas wants a Great Wall in the Big Bend?? Be realistic.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Building a fence would never think about rivers and possibly moving the fence line based on the latest topographical maps available.

F15Mech on September 2, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I don’t know which is worse; ObamaneyCare or illegal immigration. I think illegal immigration, because they can also partake of ObamaneyCare. Both of these problems must be resolved.

Mirimichi on September 2, 2011 at 10:04 PM

But unless those who claim to know how he will govern, regarding illegal immigration, based upon how he governed as governor have ESP, we must take his word for it
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Maybe you feel that you must take his word (which ones?), but no one else is bound to do so. And the best way to decide what someone will do is to just look at what that person has already done. You don’t need ESP to do that.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

However….while some may come for a “better life” they have overwhelmed our resources and generosity. They have bankrupted our institutions and gov’t agencies. To the point where American citizens who need help are cut out due to the strains illegals have placed on us

You are being kind. Check out the expense to Texas.


Illegal immigration cost TX $928M in one year


A 2006 report by the Texas comptroller’s office estimated the budgetary impacts of illegal immigration in Texas. The report found that approximately 135,000 undocumented students in Texas public schools cost the state $957 million in just the 2004-2005 school year. The comptroller’s report cited incarceration and uncompensated health care as the two largest costs associated with illegal immigrants to local government entities in Texas. These two items costs local government $1.44 billion over a one-year period.

Of course, those living in Texas illegally also provide income to the state because of increased economic activity, sales tax, and property taxes (either directly or through rent subsidizing the property owner). But adding the estimated revenues and costs to both the state and local governments, Texas taxpayers were out $928 million in 2005.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I support Perry but I agree. Saints don’t run for office.
My son wants to attend college in TX next year-me and the ex share custody-but because my central-Illinois ex-husband claims Spawn on his taxes Spawn doesn’t qualify for instate tuition.
If my son was an illegal teenager who spent @ least 3 years in TX schools he WOULD qualify for instate.
If I were to say that fact doesn’t bother me I’d be lying.
It bothers me-a lot.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM

The kicker? – You get the fun of not only paying for your kid’s education but also the higher education of criminal’s children! And even if you can’t afford a higher education for your child, you still have the (forced) pleasure of paying to educate the anchor babies!
Bet you didn’t expect to be enlisted for that privilege.
:(

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Texas taxpayers were out $928 million in 2005.

So isn’t that enough evidence, along with a “measly” 100 million for a secure fence, that it would be the logical solution to the hemorrhaging and fiscally prudent. And more than likely …plenty of change left over for American citizens.

I’d like to see Perry / Romney faced with those figures. Especially when in light of the BILLIONS being spent on illegals …oppose border security.

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Maybe you feel that you must take his word (which ones?), but no one else is bound to do so. And the best way to decide what someone will do is to just look at what that person has already done. You don’t need ESP to do that.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Yes, I can easily see what he has done as governor and it is a mixed bag. He has been proactive on the illegal immigration issue and he has had missteps. He is not perfect, as a Texan I can easily say that. He has not been a real presence, which, as a conservative, is a good thing. He had his moments with the Gardisil bust and the TTC. But all in all, living in Texas under a Perry governorship has not been all that eventful.

The Texas DREAM Act is not something that I fault him with. It was overwhelmingly passed with a few no votes (veto proof majority) and he signed it. The offspring of illegal immigrants who quality if 1% of all college enrolled students. As Perry said in the Levin interview:
“If they strive to better themselves and attend college it will decrease the chances that they will depend upon government for their needs in the future.”

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

The kicker? – You get the fun of not only paying for your kid’s education but also the higher education of criminal’s children! And even if you can’t afford a higher education for your child, you still have the (forced) pleasure of paying to educate the anchor babies!
Bet you didn’t expect to be enlisted for that privilege.
:(

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Wrong. The Texas DREAM Act does not pay for the illegal immigrant’s children’s tuition. It gives them the in-state rate if they have attended a Texas HS for three years.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I mentioned to the college that since Texas is like a whole other country and since my son lives in Illinois…if he moved in with us wouldn’t that make him an illegal alien who qualifies for instate tuition?
The woman on the other line did NOT agree w/ my logic.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Bragged About it in Mexico: After he signed the Texas DREAM Act, Gov. Perry went to Mexico to brag about it. According to the Washington Times, he said in Spanish: “Educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.” (Education is the future, and yes we can).
Lon Chaney on September 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Not just according to the Washington Times, it’s on his official state government site, along with other pandering goodies, e.g. “bi-national healthcare”:
Gov. Rick Perry’s Remarks to the Border Summit

Might wanna save that page before it’s scrubbed – “Si, se puede!”.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

“If they strive to better themselves and attend college it will decrease the chances that they will depend upon government for their needs in the future.”

Me….I say, crap. What I see is future radicals ( with a free education ) that will join La Raza to lobby for more of their “oppressed’ alien brothers, sisters and daisy chain more Illegals ( and help them to illegally to game the system ) to further drain our resources. Our only hope maybe…is to see America completely broke and unable to continue to support those that would bleed us dry?

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Bottom line, it costs much less to give a tuition break with the chance these young men might choose a better life for themselves via a college education vs. the substantial state prison costs for where many of them will end up without that chance, the federal government being completely unwilling to deport them or their parents.
TXUS on September 2, 2011 at 9:33 PM

I get your point about the Feds not doing their job, but I do not buy the argument that if they don’t get in-state tuition to college they’ll end up in prison. I’ve yet to hear anyone argue, We must provide a college Ed to landscapers and their offspring or they’ll end up in prison. Anyhoo, I thought the reason we needed Mexican labor was to “do the jobs Americans won’t do”.

Buy Danish on September 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I mentioned to the college that since Texas is like a whole other country and since my son lives in Illinois…if he moved in with us wouldn’t that make him an illegal alien who qualifies for instate tuition?
The woman on the other line did NOT agree w/ my logic.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2011 at 10:20 PM

LOL. I think the only option left is for him to renounce his US citizenship, spend some time south of the border, sneak back into the US and take advantage of the kindness of Texan politicians.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I don’t give a rtas a$$ about perry’s immigration stance right now, quite frankly. Do I agree with what I read? NO. Does it sound a lot like Bush’s and McCain’s ideas? Yes and you see how THAT got passed, right? ‘Nuff said.

And we had Congress to hold THAT crap in check, didn’t we? We’ll have even more than that this go ’round.

DEFEAT OBAMA, JOBS, JOBS, ECONOMY, DEFEAT OBAMA, DEBT and JOBS, DEFEAT OBAMA. PROTECT THIS GREAT NATION.

The rest can, and will, wait.

tree hugging sister on September 2, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Me….I say, crap. What I see is future radicals ( with a free education ) that will join La Raza to lobby for more of their “oppressed’ alien brothers, sisters and daisy chain more Illegals ( and help them to illegally to game the system ) to further drain our resources. Our only hope maybe…is to see America completely broke and unable to continue to support those that would bleed us dry?

Twana on September 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Totally possible.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Me….I say, crap. What I see is future radicals ( with a free education ) that will join La Raza to lobby for more of their “oppressed’ alien brothers, sisters and daisy chain more Illegals ( and help th
Twana on September 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Ha! Good point. Plus these illegals who were educated thanks to the largesse of fellow Texans (or Californians, or where ever this is tried) will now compete with those state residents for scarce jobs.

Buy Danish on September 2, 2011 at 10:27 PM

How come Governor Brewer in AZ doesn’t seem to have a problem combating illegal immigration?

She was reelected after signing tough laws against illegal immigration, and continues to fight for their legality in Federal court.

AZ has a large Hispanic populace. What is the difference between AZ and TX on this issue?

SheetAnchor on September 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM

However, in the scheme of the state of America in 2012, I don’t believe that the immigration issue will be a higher priority then the economy and massive debt.
YMMV

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM

I get your point about the Feds not doing their job, but I do not buy the argument that if they don’t get in-state tuition to college they’ll end up in prison. I’ve yet to hear anyone argue, We must provide a college Ed to landscapers and their offspring or they’ll end up in prison. Anyhoo, I thought the reason we needed Mexican labor was to “do the jobs Americans won’t do”.
Buy Danish on September 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

I figure if someone thinks the only two options in life is too mooch off American taxpayers or join MS-13 then they’re not worth caring about to begin with. I’d deport them for just being total losers alone instead of giving in to their extortion.

whatcat on September 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

What is the difference between AZ and TX on this issue?

SheetAnchor on September 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Are you asking the difference between a Mama Grizzly and a Rhinocerous?

Ted Torgerson on September 2, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Wrong. The Texas DREAM Act does not pay for the illegal immigrant’s children’s tuition. It gives them the in-state rate if they have attended a Texas HS for three years.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Plus it makes them avaiable to receive state financial aid.

It short, it rewards law breakers.

darwin on September 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

How come Governor Brewer in AZ doesn’t seem to have a problem combating illegal immigration?

She was reelected after signing tough laws against illegal immigration, and continues to fight for their legality in Federal court.

AZ has a large Hispanic populace. What is the difference between AZ and TX on this issue?

SheetAnchor on September 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM

I respect her for her fight. It was bold and it was also shot down by the federal government.
It is frustrating. The federal government is supposed to secure the border and they are not doing it. The state, in this case AZ, is proactive and gets slapped down by the same federal government.

Then they have the audacity to say, in El Paso, that the border has never been this secure.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Most of the jobs in Texas were apparently “government” jobs.

“Total jobs. Texas: Up 0.7 percent since the beginning of 2008. U.S: Down 5.6 percent. Since the recession began, Texas has added about 75,000 jobs, one of the few states with any job creation at all. Overall, the U.S. economy has lost about 5.6 million jobs since then. But net job gains in Texas have come entirely from government hiring, which accounts for 115,000 new jobs over the past three years. The private sector in Texas shed about 40,000 jobs during that time.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

SheetAnchor on September 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

It short, it rewards law breakers.

darwin on September 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Wrong, the parents are law breakers. The children are not.

carbon_footprint on September 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM

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