Rasmussen: Perry 44, Obama 41

posted at 4:47 pm on September 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

Meaningful or not? Obama’s weaker than he’s ever been and Perry’s still in the pre-vetted honeymoon phase with voters, so a slight edge for the Republican is no great surprise. On the other hand, only once before has any GOPer led Obama head to head in a Rasmussen poll; that was Romney, briefly, earlier this year. Frankly, I think that says more about Mitt than it does about Perry. Romney’s the “electable” candidate and The One’s been circling the drain for months, and yet only once has he led him among likely voters? Geez.

But never mind likely voters. The important question is, as always, what do “GOP insiders” think?

Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party’s Insiders aren’t convinced he’d be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week’s National Journal Political Insiders Poll…

Many Republican Insiders acknowledged Perry’s appeal to conservatives but questioned his ability to win over independent voters. “Perry can fire up the base, but this election will be won in the middle, not on the fringes,” said one. Said another, “Having trouble ID-ing a single independent who’d vote for Perry.”…

Insiders in both parties raised questions about Perry’s durability under the intense scrutiny of a presidential campaign. “As a conservative Republican, I love Rick Perry,” said one Republican Insider, who added “but as a campaign strategist, I know the degree to which a few self-reinforcing oppo-hits can devastate a candidate.” A Democratic Insider said plainly, “Perry’s mouth will do him in.”…

A Democratic Insider added, “There is no state Perry can win that Mitt Romney won’t. There are some states Romney can put into play (MA, OH, PA, NH) that are harder for Perry to win.”

That’s Romney’s best argument against all the polls lately showing Perry stomping him. When push comes to shove, national polls mean squat. If Mitt wins New Hampshire, Nevada, and Florida then he’s set up for a long battle to the nomination, and the longer that battle goes on, the more voters’ minds will focus on electability against Obama looming in the general. That Democratic insider makes a good point: Are there any states that Perry’s more likely to win than Romney? His jobs message is more compelling than Mitt’s but he’s also more vulnerable to Mediscare tactics, which will distract from that message. The more the mood of the electorate turns towards an “anybody but Obama” mindset, the stronger the argument for the “safe” choice, especially one whose core regional appeal lies outside the south. How bad do you want to beat Obama? Bad enough to nominate the guy responsible for RomneyCare?

Via Mediaite, here’s Coulter making a similar point last night on Hannity. And speaking of “anybody but Obama,” a fun fact from PPP: In a hypothetical race in South Carolina between Obama, Perry, and hometown favorite Stephen Colbert, The One finishes … third among independents.

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506 days

SDarchitect on September 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I think a lot of so called experts are going to be scratching their heads after this primary and general election wondering what exactly happened.

The rule book is out the window – the American people are deciding this election and they are pissed.

gophergirl on September 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Hot Air for the hot air pink cowboy.

Falz on September 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM

That Democratic insider makes a good point: Are there any states that Perry’s more likely to win than Romney?

New Mexico? Iowa? Florida? I wouldn’t be surprised if Perry ends up being a stronger candidate in all 3 states.

Doughboy on September 1, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Don’t buy these polls and I don’t buy “Washington Insiders” that think Romney is the best candidate. He is the elitist that the rest of the elitists want to run.

search4truth on September 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

the American people are deciding this election and they are pissed.

gophergirl on September 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Bingo. The strategists do not get this. Their career experience does not give them any clue about the electorate because the electorate hasn’t been in this mood in their lifetimes.

txmomof6 on September 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

506 days

SDarchitect on September 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Less than 156 days till Super Tuesday.

Hollowpoint on September 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

“There is no state Perry can win that Mitt Romney won’t. There are some states Romney can put into play (MA, OH, PA, NH) that are harder for Perry to win.”

Let’s parse that one…

1. If Massachusetts is in play, Barry is screwed. That being said, Romney won’t put the state into play because they’ll reflexively vote Dem on the national level. If they didn’t go red in 2010, they won’t go red in 2012 barring a complete and total meltdown by the Dems.

2. Ohio and New Hampshire will be in play no matter who the candidate is. Both states experienced major Republican shifts in 2010 and are decidedly unfriendly to Obama. In the case of New Hampshire, this marks a major departure from the creeping liberalism experienced there in 2004 and 2008 due to Massachusetts expatriates.

3. Pennsylvania is in play no matter who the candidate is because Barry’s various policies are putting the entire state out of work. No matter the turnout in Philly with New Black Panthers at the polling stations with batons, I think that the rest of the state goes red by enough to flip things.

teke184 on September 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Is Karl Rove an “insider”..?

d1carter on September 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

The hell with these “DC insiders” and what they think. We the people in the Heartland are not going to let the DC insiders pick our candidate.

New rules, new game.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Republican insiders……..LMFAO. I don’t think you could find a more clueless bunch that group.

David in ATL on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

New Mexico? Iowa? Florida? I wouldn’t be surprised if Perry ends up being a stronger candidate in all 3 states.

Doughboy on September 1, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Last I saw, Romney was leading Perry in FL.

Thanks a lot, transplanted Northerners.

John Deaux on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I think Florida and Ohio have a good chance at turning red in the next election. Many other states that voted for the One Dear Leader are already purple. It could be bad news for the One Dear Leader no matter who runs, even if we run a, er, polarizing figure like Palin.

matthew26 on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The more the mood of the electorate turns towards an “anybody but Obama” mindset, the stronger the argument for the “safe” choice, especially one whose core regional appeal lies outside the south.

I think the opposite would be true. If it’s ABO, let’s elect the MOST CONSERVATIVE candidate.

sleepy-beans on September 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

BTW – I don’t think Palin is polarizing. I think she would be a great choice for the GOP nod.

matthew26 on September 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

506 days

SDarchitect on September 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

506 Days * $3.5 Billion Debt/Day = $1,771 Billion

Therefore, Only $1.77 Trillion in debt left.

WashJeff on September 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

It could be bad news for the One Dear Leader no matter who runs, even if we run a, er, polarizing figure like Palin.

Bad news for Dear Liar, but even worse for the Dems as a whole IMHO.

I think that Barry’s going to drag down their numbers so far in so many states that the new GOP president will likely have a filibuster-proof majority.

teke184 on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

If Mitt wins New Hampshire, Nevada, and Florida then he’s set up for a long battle to the nomination

Mitt won’t win FL, even with the faux Mediscare. If he or others scare the old folks they are no better than Obama with his lies, and Biden.

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Very good news! The media are hard at work, pulling every trick in the book on behalf of Obama.

No amount of dishonesty from the left or the media is going to change this election.

Obama is taking a one way trip back to the ghettos.

BruthaMan on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Perry is a generic republican?

faraway on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Last I saw, Romney was leading Perry in FL.

Thanks a lot, transplanted Northerners.

John Deaux on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I thought a poll came out last week showing Perry in the lead. At least in terms of the primary. Granted, Mittens was ahead in (I think) a Rasmussen poll when matched up with Barry, but not by much. In fact when factoring in the margin of error, he’s essentially within the same range as Perry.

The problem I have with Romney is he doesn’t excite the base. Some of that may be mitigated(pun intended) by selecting someone like Marco Rubio as his VP, but ultimately he just doesn’t connect with voters. And I maintain that when the election season kicks into high gear, Romneycare and his weak record as governor will be a major stumbling block for the guy.

Doughboy on September 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

and Perry’s still in the pre-vetted honeymoon phase with voters, so a slight edge for the Republican is no great surprise.

You’re pegging the Eeyor needle AP. I’d prefer to look at as a Republican who hasn’t even really campaigned yet is beating a sitting president in the polls.

Are there any states that Perry’s more likely to win than Romney?

Perry stands a better chance than Romney of winning every state that is likely to be close, or was won by BO last time, except MI and NH. And Perry may win those 2 anyway. IN, MO, NC, VA, OH are just few where I think he would do better than Romney.

forest on September 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The rule book is out the window – the American people are deciding this election and they are pissed.

gophergirl on September 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

I agree, I would add we are more pissed now then when Carter lost to Reagan. At that time we did not think Carter was anti-American, just stupid. No one was speculating that he might be f***ing up on purpose. Obama on the other hand………..

IowaWoman on September 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

I know the degree to which a few self-reinforcing oppo-hits can devastate a candidate.” A Democratic Insider said plainly, “Perry’s mouth will do him in.”…

Heh, Did a few Hot Air posters just out themselves.

cozmo on September 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Wow. Ann Coulter’s Shoulder bone is disgusting. Is she sick?

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

The case for Romney:

ElectricPhase on September 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Heh, Did a few Hot Air posters just out themselves.

cozmo on September 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

They’re over in the Bachmann/Perry video ad thread keeping busy with their spamming and copy and paste routine.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Wow. Ann Coulter’s Shoulder bone is disgusting. Is she sick?

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Anorexic Coulter? Nah, she’s doing just fine.

Doughboy on September 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Mittins may be more electable because he’s moderate, but do we want him as our nominee. He’s also an ex-private equity guy; not exactly the type of guy who’s going to be popular with the economy in the tank and high unemployment. Perry seems more a fit for the times; people are Fed Up! and they want a pro-jobs direction.

IR-MN on September 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM

LBJ/HHH!!!!

I mean Perry/Pawlenty or Perry/Bachmann

Lone Star/North Star magic, y’all!

Bruno Strozek on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

First: Wow!

Second: that Dem insider thinks that Perry can’t win Ohio? The same Ohio that elected right-winger Kasich just several months ago, that Ohio? Perry might even choose Kasich as his veep should he win the nomination. I think OH will be red this cycle.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Mitt won’t win FL, even with the faux Mediscare. If he or others scare the old folks they are no better than Obama with his lies, and Biden.

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

All Rick Perry needs is an endorsement by Marco Rubio and a few campaign appearances with him, and Florida is in his pocket.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

There are some states Romney can put into play (MA, OH, PA, NH) that are harder for Perry to win.

Massachusetts is going blue. The last time it went red was in ’84 as part of a 49-state landslide.

Ohio? Perry’s jobs argument is strong there. Perhaps stronger than Romney’s, who has Bain, jobs layoffs, and RomneyCare under his belt.

PA always gets close but no dice. NH is fickle.

amerpundit on September 1, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Oh my!

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

3. Pennsylvania is in play no matter who the candidate is because Barry’s various policies are putting the entire state out of work. No matter the turnout in Philly with New Black Panthers at the polling stations with batons, I think that the rest of the state goes red by enough to flip things.

teke184 on September 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

PA will likely be in play, as there will be a voter ID law in place.

And if Corbett and the legislature (controlled by GOP) get moving, there should be a school voucher law in place, too. So Junior Casey and Obama can explain why they don’t want to give parents the school choice they themselves got. School vouchers might be a sleeper issue in some states.

And why the Dems want to kill coal, too.

Wethal on September 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM

The hell with these “DC insiders” and what they think. We the people in the Heartland are not going to let the DC insiders pick our candidate.

New rules, new game.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

You sound like a Palinista circa 2009

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

What a major dilemma for the campaign advisors in Obama’s camp. They have to be running ten different scenarios where they can put him back on top. I’m curious as to whether they’ll go the with the flashy blockbuster campaigns or try another method based on sympathy for the poor, mistreated, beleagured president.

sherry on September 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Romney will depress the Conservative base. I say give the American people a clear cut choice. Dare them to vote for Obama again. It’s their lives, their money, their children’s future. If they’d rather have another four years of Obama, because they’re scared of “Dominionists”, then let them go ahead and pull the lever. I double dare them.

ardenenoch on September 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

They’re over in the Bachmann/Perry video ad thread keeping busy with their spamming and copy and paste routine.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Meh, I had to go do some work and didn’t go back. It was played out anyway. I figured the Perry and the Pigs would be perfect for them for their next line of attack.

cozmo on September 1, 2011 at 5:20 PM

More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012

How did that sort of thing work out in 2008?

Chip on September 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM

506 days

SDarchitect on September 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

506 Days, 19 Hours, 35 Minutes, 59 Seconds

But who’s counting.

Chip on September 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Is Karl Rove an “insider”..?

d1carter on September 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

That depends on if COD is involved or not..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Wethal on September 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Yep, and there’s the gas boom going and the Republicans got rid of the ridiculously stupid law mandating $10,000 sprinkler systems in all new homes that Spendell had signed into law. Some things are going right in Pennsylvania thanks to the Republican sweep in 2010.

forest on September 1, 2011 at 5:27 PM

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Yes. That’s why it was annoying when the ‘bots call anyone critical of Palin a “RINO” or a “Dem from Kos”. I feel the same way as Knuck’s post you were repsonding to, but because I don’t support Palin, all kinds of labels (among many others, lol) were thrown my way. I’m not whining, just pointing out that ‘bots jump to conclusions about their fellow posters here.

That’s why Perry has me so fired up. He’s a grass-roots candidate that I can support.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say wish Mitt Romney has had a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012

More likely what’s going on.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

The more the mood of the electorate turns towards an “anybody but Obama” mindset, the stronger the argument for the “safe” choice, especially one whose core regional appeal lies outside the south.

I’m all for nominating an electable candidate to beat Obama, but this makes no sense. You are saying that if the electorate is in an anybody but Obama mood, it is better to nominate the less conservative candidate?

Then, when do you believe the more conservative candidate should be nominated?

It is the same argument every 4 years – only a “moderate” can win the general. Yet, GHWB lost. McCain lost. Ford lost. W won (he wasn’t a hard-core conservative, but he was potrayed as such by the mdeia). Reagan won. You can’t tell me that a real conservative candidate would have done worse than McCain. the only reason McCain even did as well as he did was due to Palin bringing the base back on board.

I’m not sure I buy the idea that a conservative candidate cannot win in the general. Of course, it depends upon the candidate, the campaign, the moment, etc.

But I think this may be a moment for a more conservative candidate. Certainly it will require a candidate other than Romney. Romney can only win if the public is completely fed up with Obama – people will not go to the booth to vote FOR Romney, and he is going to look like a fool by the time Obama’s team gets done with him. flip-flops, only one term as governor, romney care and they will try to drive a wedge between evangelicals b/c of Romney being a mormon. On top of all that, Romney has no charisma and has never made a case for why he should be President, even though he has been running for teh past 4 years. And – Romney will run basically the same campaign as McCain, he has no fire.

Based on that, while Romney could win – I don’t think he has the best chance. I think he does well in the polls now b/c despite running for President for the last 4 years, most of the public still doesn’t really know much about him or his positions – he is the “generic republican”. And that actually says a lot bad about Romney – while people recognize his name they know little about him or his beliefs/positions. I follow politics closely and know little about his policy positions excpet that they change regularly.

I simply don’t buy that Romney is the most electable candidate. I actually think he will fare worse than many announced candidates would in the general. I think the public responds better to people with conviction than to oily politicians who clearly will take any position to be elected, which is the vibe Romney gives off.

Monkeytoe on September 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM

and Perry’s still in the pre-vetted honeymoon phase with voters, so a slight edge for the Republican is no great surprise.

You’re pegging the Eeyor needle AP.

Hahaha FOREST,

Prime example of AP’s inflections.

birdhurd on September 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

More likely what’s going on.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

You may have a good point..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I think the Democrat and Republican insiders don’t want an outsider to be elected who would then hold them accountable for the current mess we are in…

… They would rather burn the barn then let someone take an actual inventory.

Seven Percent Solution on September 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Monkeytoe on September 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Dole lost, too. He was the “boring, safe, moderate” candidate that year.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

gophergirl on September 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Excellent post!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You may have a good point..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

The funny part is stuff like this:

Said another, “Having trouble ID-ing a single independent who’d vote for Perry.”…

It looks like this particular “insider” missed this Perry 44 Obama 41 poll. If Perry can’t win any independants (blatant lie) then apparantly he doesn’t need them.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You sound like a Palinista circa 2009

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

And you sound like a frustrated voter supporting someone who likes to tease.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Falz on September 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM

LoL!..That was funny..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Good point..Perry is stronger among indies than some give him credit for..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:40 PM

You heard it here first.
The very next attack on Perry from LSM/Libs/Establishment will be regarding his $10K per month rent at a mansion in which he and his wife lived in as the Governor’s Mansion was being renovated. I think he is still living in the rental; correct me if I am wrong.

I read a small piece on Fox about it being brought up by some Ron Paul PAC and two guys in their basement.

So get ready.
Of course we can mention Obama’s rental at Martha’s Vineyard for $50K per WEEK. But the MSM will have a blast with this one.

Oh, and the Confederate Flag license plate is also going to be a talking point soon.

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

And you sound like a frustrated voter supporting someone who likes to tease.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Is Perry teasing now? I haven’t heard it.

portlandon on September 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I can’t see neither one of those topics getting much if any traction..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:46 PM

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Well heck, Perry torched the governors mansion himself so he could keep staying in the rented house and pocket some of that money from his crony capitalist bildaburger sex toy buddy. don’cha’know.

I heard it from a concerned uncommitted voter…really. And if you don’t believe it it’s because you are a mindless troll under Perry’s spell.

cozmo on September 1, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I hope not, Dire Straits. But we will soon see.

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I hope not, Dire Straits. But we will soon see.

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:48 PM

True enough..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Oh, and the Confederate Flag license plate is also going to be a talking point soon.

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

It’ll be interesting to see which way he goes on that one. My late brother was a member of the Sons of the Confederacy and I talked to one of the directors a few weeks ago about the issue. He said that Perry’s always been friendly with the group and has spoken at their meetings on several occasions. If he apppoints someone who’ll vote against the plates, I’ll really be disgusted, but not surprised. It’ll end up at the Supreme Court anyway like the other states have done. That’s just one of those little indicators to see if he has the courage of his convictions.

TxAnn56 on September 1, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Empty chair 46

Empty suit 41

DeweyWins on September 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM

506 days

SDarchitect on September 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

..until this fool gets perp-walked from the premises at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue; only 431 days until we get a chance to send the eviction notice. Then we can hound him to vacate the office early so “a more enlightened president” can start cleaning up the mess he created.

(Remember that?)

The War Planner on September 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The only argument in favor of Mitt and RomneyCare is that he has been very clear that it was a state-level solution. He’s drawn the line several times on that point. He’s not pushed it as a solution for the nation. If he can take one more step and admit to some flaws in his system (while still arguing the merits of state-based healthcare reform), then he may very well be able to come across as a thinker and problem solver, willing to give the states free reign to work on their on solutions.

It’s a hell of a balancing act, but if he can pull it off, then he can beat Obama with it. Instead of it being a liability, it’s a weapon.

I’m not saying he will. But that’s the only shot he’s got.

nukemhill on September 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM

(Remember that?)

The War Planner on September 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Like it was yesterday.

Knucklehead on September 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM

(Remember that?)

The War Planner on September 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Oh yeah. He even setup an Office of President-Elect.

Mirimichi on September 1, 2011 at 6:28 PM

The rule book is out the window – the American people are deciding this election and they are pissed.

gophergirl on September 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

We remember the Insiders and 2008/McCain. How can we forget? Every day, every day we are constantly reminded. I think the American people are head down like a bull and it’s charge, charge, charge:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Is Karl Rove an “insider”..?

d1carter on September 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

He wasn’t listed, but he likes to travel under the radar:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Last I saw, Romney was leading Perry in FL.

Thanks a lot, transplanted Northerners.

John Deaux on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

There may be an updated Poll, but this is fairly recent.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Magellan-Florida-2012-General-Election-Survey-Release-0823111.pdf

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 6:59 PM

matthew26 on September 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Ohio turned red in 2010. John Kasich is doing a great job!!
We plan to stay that way:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Bruno Strozek on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Not Bachmann. You haven’t been on the ad thread? She’s attacking Perry. Even if she wasn’t attacking Perry, she’s bad news; just getting worse. She’s a tool, but doesn’t know it.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:07 PM

The very next attack on Perry from LSM/Libs/Establishment will be regarding his $10K per month rent at a mansion in which he and his wife lived in as the Governor’s Mansion was being renovated. I think he is still living in the rental; correct me if I am wrong.

That one has already been brought up and dismissed several times.

They like to gloss over the fact that the reason he’s been there so long is that SOMEONE, believed to be a lefty activist, threw a firebomb into the Governor’s Mansion back in 2008 while it was under renovation, requiring a lot of new work be done.

teke184 on September 1, 2011 at 7:07 PM

First: Wow!

Second: that Dem insider thinks that Perry can’t win Ohio? The same Ohio that elected right-winger Kasich just several months ago, that Ohio? Perry might even choose Kasich as his veep should he win the nomination. I think OH will be red this cycle.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Glad to see you. These Anti-Perry people are getting out of hand at times:-)

Hey Ohio turned Red in 2010 & we plan to stay that way. Ohio wants jobs!! Gov.Kasich is doing a great job here.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:09 PM

That depends on if COD is involved or not..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Now you know there are most likely only one or two of us here understands that, LOL Too funny:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:14 PM

LBJ/HHH!!!!

I mean Perry/Pawlenty or Perry/Bachmann

Lone Star/North Star magic, y’all!

Bruno Strozek on September 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Just to pick a nit; HHH was South Dakota-born.

whatcat on September 1, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Rick Perry is doing better then Ronald Reagan was in this stage of the game vs. Carter.

Jdripper on September 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM

I think the Democrat and Republican insiders don’t want an outsider to be elected who would then hold them accountable for the current mess we are in…

… They would rather burn the barn then let someone take an actual inventory.

Seven Percent Solution on September 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You’re right. They want to pick the Candidate. I think this time the American People are the Insiders and we plan on picking our own Candidate! I’m not concerned about the “moderates” either.

We’re all American Patriots this time and we’re here to take back our Country, come h. or high water!! Whatever it takes!!

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:23 PM

You heard it here first.
The very next attack on Perry from LSM/Libs/Establishment will be regarding his $10K per month rent at a mansion in which he and his wife lived in as the Governor’s Mansion was being renovated. I think he is still living in the rental; correct me if I am wrong.

carbon_footprint on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I’m sure a Governor has an allowance. Did you read anything about the comparison of the cost of using the Mansion and the one they currently use? I sort of remember, but it’s been a couple of years.

Isn’t it evident how they attack Perry, but not Romney? Makes one think that they prefer Romney:-) I wonder why.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Many Republican Insiders acknowledged Perry’s appeal to conservatives but questioned his ability to win over independent voters. “Perry can fire up the base, but this election will be won in the middle, not on the fringes,” said one. Said another, “Having trouble ID-ing a single independent who’d vote for Perry.”…

I haven’t seen the crosstabs for the Rasmussen poll, but they usually estimate that the electorate is about 33 to 35% Republicans. If Perry got 44% of intentions to vote, who are the other 10% or so non-Republicans who plan to vote for him? Democrats? Or, more likely, Independent voters!!!

Insiders in both parties raised questions about Perry’s durability under the intense scrutiny of a presidential campaign. “As a conservative Republican, I love Rick Perry,” said one Republican Insider, who added “but as a campaign strategist, I know the degree to which a few self-reinforcing oppo-hits can devastate a candidate.” A Democratic Insider said plainly, “Perry’s mouth will do him in.”…

Well, that’s what campaigns are for. But oppo-hits can work both ways. What about Obama’s 2008 promises that never happened? Like that one about unemployment not going above 8% if Porkulus passed, and now even HE says it will stay above 9% through the election?

A Democratic Insider added, “There is no state Perry can win that Mitt Romney won’t. There are some states Romney can put into play (MA, OH, PA, NH) that are harder for Perry to win.”

Oh, puh-LEEEZE!!! No Republican will win MA, and how many voters fled MA to NH over Romneycare? Wouldn’t they support Perry over Romney and Obama? PA will be tough for either of them, and OH is a must-win for the GOP candidate. But southern Ohio is coal country, bordering on WV and KY, and Perry’s clarity will play better than Romney’s wishy-washiness on “global warming”.

IN, MO, NC, VA, OH are just few where I think he would do better than Romney.

forest on September 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Exactly. We nominate Perry, Obama can forget about Dixie, making MO, NC, and VA solid red. Florida will be interesting, but it has lots of seniors whose Medicare payments will be cut to “pay for” ObamaCare, and who will they vote for–somebody who wants to repeal ObamaCare or passed ObamneyCare Lite?

Perry could also win some “spillover” effect from Texas into NM and Colorado, where an aggressive shale-oil proposal to create jobs could win him lots of votes.

IMHO, the critical states this year will be FL, OH, PA, WI, and CO. Let’s see who wins the primaries in those states, and that’s who is more “electable”.

Steve Z on September 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM

More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012,

Translation: More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders are fools. We do not need any more RINOs! The country needs a conservative! (Look at exactly how well a RINO, McCain, worked for us the last time around.)

Theophile on September 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM