Q-poll puts Perry ahead by 6 over Romney, 14 over Bachmann

posted at 8:45 am on August 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve had the media polls and Zogby tell us that Rick Perry has become the frontrunner in the Republican presidential primary polling at the moment.  Now we can add an academic poll as well.  Quinnipiac’s latest survey, released this morning, shows the Texas governor with an six-point lead over Mitt Romney, and 14 points over Michele Bachmann:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has zoomed to the front of the line of GOP presidential candidates with a 24 – 18 percent lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney among Republican voters, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. Romney and President Barack Obama are in a dead heat while Perry trails the president by 3 points in 2012 matchups.

The timing seems propitious, as voters have tired of Barack Obama as President:

The percentage of all registered voters who say President Obama deserves a second term in the Oval Office has fallen to a negative 42 – 51 percent, matching a 41 – 50 percent all-time low reading on whether he deserves another four years in office from a March 30 survey.

Quinnipiac polled for Palin in the race; she gets 11% of respondents, just one percentage point ahead of Bachmann and 13 behind Perry.  Interestingly, no one benefits if Palin decides not to run.  The three frontrunners in the race now would all add two points to their current position.

The internals of the polls favor Perry over almost all comers as well.  He wins almost all of the demographic categories — men, women, military households — except for 18-34YO voters, which Palin wins by a single point (18%) over Romney, Perry, and Ron Paul (17%).  Although Palin will join a Tea Party tour next week, Perry wins almost a third of self-described Tea Party “members” (32%).  Bachmann comes in a distant second at 15%, Romney third at 12%, and Palin fourth at 11%.

In head-to-head matchups with Obama, Romney and Perry perform similarly.  Romney has a 45/45 tie, while Perry has a 42/45 virtual tie within the margin of error.  Romney is more well known, however, as 55% of the survey respondents don’t know enough about Perry to form an opinion of him.  Among Republicans, Perry has a high favorability rating of 44/5 (it’s 22/23 among the general population), compared to Romney’s 36/27 among Republicans.  In order to regain the momentum, Romney will have to go after Perry in the debates, shedding his above-the-fray persona, in order to dent that favorability advantage Perry has at the moment.

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Why are you polling for Palin? She hasn’t announced yet.

/youcanthaveitbothways

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 8:48 AM

political class hardest hit

rob verdi on August 31, 2011 at 8:48 AM

“We’re indignant!”

Telling it like it is is why perry is doing so well

blatantblue on August 31, 2011 at 8:48 AM

It is Perry’s to lose…

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Please Palin, do not run. This can only end two ways if she gets in. She’ll flame out in the early states and all but end her political career(electorally anyway). Or she hands Mittens the nomination. Unless Perry is a disaster in the debates or says or does something really dumb on the campaign trail, he may have too much widespread support among GOP voters for Palin to have any real shot at the nomination.

Doughboy on August 31, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Palin will likely get an 8-10 point bump post announcement.

takeamericabackin10 on August 31, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Palin does almost as well as Bachman against Obama. That’s not too bad considering all the negative press she has gotten.

That bodes well for the ABO people.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 8:56 AM

Telling it like it is is why perry is doing so well
blatantblue on August 31, 2011 at 8:48 AM

That would be in this sentence:
“55% of the survey respondents don’t know enough about Perry to form an opinion of him”

Also of note in this poll – while Romney matches Obama numbers, Perry is trailing The One.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 8:56 AM

Please Palin, do not run. This can only end two ways if she gets in. She’ll flame out in the early states and all but end her political career(electorally anyway). Or she hands Mittens the nomination. Unless Perry is a disaster in the debates or says or does something really dumb on the campaign trail, he may have too much widespread support among GOP voters for Palin to have any real shot at the nomination.

Doughboy on August 31, 2011 at 8:54 AM

It’s looking like she won’t run. If Perry looks like a shoo-in at this point, and he looks like a solid, if not ultra, conservative, she will stay out and back him.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Interestingly, no one benefits if Palin decides not to run.

That’s what we’ve been saying…

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 8:58 AM

It is Perry’s to lose…

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 8:52 AM

I wouldn’t count Romney out yet, by any means. He’s been hanging back while Perry has been making a lot of noise. If Perry doesn’t put aside his religious pandering and otherwise saying nutty stuff (treasonous?) he may well succeed in losing.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

That bodes well for the ABO people.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 8:56 AM

We can only hope that every voter is an ABO voter.

TxAnn56 on August 31, 2011 at 9:02 AM

If Perry doesn’t put aside his religious pandering and otherwise saying nutty stuff (treasonous?) he may well succeed in losing.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Dude take that bullsh*t back to DKos. Nobody’s buying your concern troll crap today.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:07 AM

It is Perry’s to lose…

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 8:52 AM

I wouldn’t count Romney out yet, by any means. He’s been hanging back while Perry has been making a lot of noise. If Perry doesn’t put aside his religious pandering and otherwise saying nutty stuff (treasonous?) he may well succeed in losing.
MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

And as I mentioned above, this poll would seem to show that Perry has a lead for now amongst GOPers but Romney fares better against Obama amongst the general populace.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Perry power.

Aronne on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Funny, first religion is a plus in the country, not a minus…it’s a detraction to those who are not faithful, but they are small and insignificant and have added nothing to society.
The irony about your post is that Romney by far is the most “faithful”, he is by far the most dedicated to his religion, and it drives him far above anyone else…that is how easy it is to fool people like you.

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

It’s looking like she won’t run. If Perry looks like a shoo-in at this point, and he looks like a solid, if not ultra, conservative, she will stay out and back him.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 8:58 AM

I really hope so. I used to think if she announced, she’d immediately rise to the top of the polls, trailing only Perry and Mittens. And she probably will. The problem is that Perry’s lead may be insurmountable if he doesn’t screw it up. He’s looking like that candidate the base was waiting for. Someone who can unite the Tea Party and establishment factions. Someone who isn’t afraid to take it to Obama. Someone who has a good record with a solid amount of executive experience. And most importantly, someone who looks like they could win a general election.

Doughboy on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:07 AM

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MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Perry wins almost a third of self-described Tea Party “members” (32%). Bachmann comes in a distant second at 15%, Romney third at 12%, and Palin fourth at 11%.

Another poll showing the Tea Party is perfectly comfortable with Perry. So Palin comes in with the Tea Party behind Romney. Interesting.

Marcus on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Doughboy on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

A good summary…

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 9:10 AM

If Perry doesn’t put aside his religious pandering and otherwise saying nutty stuff (treasonous?) he may well succeed in losing.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Dude take that bullsh*t back to DKos. Nobody’s buying your concern troll crap today.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:07 AM

That’s not concern trolling. You can bet on it that Perry’s handlers are working with him on how to speak and behave on the national stage, just as all candidate’s advisers do.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:12 AM

right2bright on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

It is divisive and a certain way to lose an election. Our goal is to get PBHO out of office. We do that by getting as many votes as we can. Alienating large numbers of voters by pandering on social issues means that many voters who may do the right thing by voting to improve our economy and national standing will be lost. We can win with a huge consensus for the right kind of change. But if we push voters away with irrelevant nonsense we can blow it. That is what worries me about Perry.

Reader’s digest version. We focus on jobs and the economy, we win. We pander to religious fanatics, we lose.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:13 AM

And the palinization has been strong this against Perry

The gop elite are freakin out right about now

cmsinaz on August 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM

12 months to the convention. Anything can happen, and probably will.

Paul-Cincy on August 31, 2011 at 9:17 AM

In order to regain the momentum, Romney will have to go after Perry in the debates, shedding his above-the-fray persona, in order to dent that favorability advantage Perry has at the moment.

Or he can continue his above-the-fray persona and just wait until Perry says more and more controversial things.

TheQuestion on August 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Piper Palin 2036

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Just find the one that can beat Obama then tell the rest of them to get out of the way. Do nothing that may damage the front runner and don’t allow our priorities get watered down. This is a time for unity not family squabbling and petty infighting.

rplat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

12 months to the convention. Anything can happen, and probably will.
Paul-Cincy on August 31, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Yup. Many people forget how past campaign seasons looked a year or more from election day.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Q-poll puts Perry ahead by 6 over Romney, 14 over Bachmann

And 13 over Palin.

And the last Q-poll (about a month before Perry’s announcement) put Romney ahead by 11 over Bachmann, 13 over Palin. And 15 over Perry. There’s really no reason to think that Palin won’t see a similar bump in her numbers once she announces.

It also strikes me that Palin and Bachmann have held fairly steady in the polls over the last month. It seems that at least half of Perry’s gain in the Q-poll came from erstwhile Romney voters.

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Yup. Many people forget how past campaign seasons looked a year or more from election day.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

President Giuliani is doing a great job, don’t you agree?

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM

It is not rocket science. He is exactly what we want. Good record, a fighter and electable. All the others are one or more of the following:Rino,wuss,crazy or unelectable.Perry 2012.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM

rplat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I can’t agree. This is the time to vet our candidates to make sure that we select the right one to put up against Obamandias. This is the prefect time for squabbling and infighting. The primaries are for getting the skeletons out of the closet and airing the dirty laundry. We need to know that we get the right candidate and that we aren’t buying a pig in a poke.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:28 AM

so perry is the cool new kid at school and all the chicks dig him… i seem to remember a few of those types back in the day… after a few cheap dates, the word gets around quickly and he’s brought back down to earth..

gatorboy on August 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Yup. Many people forget how past campaign seasons looked a year or more from election day.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

President Giuliani is doing a great job, don’t you agree?

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM

The arguments back then ran like: “If you don’t support (flavor of the month here) then it’s your fault that Hillary will be elected!!”.
:D

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Reader’s digest version. We focus on jobs and the economy, we win. We pander to religious fanatics, we lose.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Based on Perry’s 21-year history of running state races in Texas, odds are really high that his hot-button statements are still being thrown out there intermittently as much to suck all the oxygen out of the Bachmann campaign as it is anything else.

Notice he toned it down on Tuesday at the VFW convention and opted to go the more “presidential sounding” road, while Mitt was the one trying to bring the fire and brimstone to the audience. Team Perry understands that there are more GOP primary voters on the right side of the spectrum than in the middle, but that Romney pretty much has the latter group sewn up, while the right side can still be split 3-4 ways.

Perry got off to a strong start in solidifying that group behind him, and will probably keep throwing out occasional rhetorical barbs to make sure no one else can get footing on his right (and the strategerie is only a big problem in the general election if you think the economy 12 months from now is going to be better than it is now — if Obama remains the intransigent liberal ideologue who either refuses or is too scared to at least go the Clinton route, odds are people are going to be madder about the continued suckatude of the nation’s economy next fall than they are Rick Perry saying mean things about Ben Bernanke or telling the truth about Social Security’s future).

jon1979 on August 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM

It is not rocket science. He is exactly what we want. Good record, a fighter and electable. All the others are one or more of the following:Rino,wuss,crazy or unelectable.Perry 2012.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM

that’s funny… perry is nowhere near perfect – nor are any of the others… keep an open mind.. lots of ground to cover between now and when the first vote is cast

gatorboy on August 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM

All the others are one or more of the following:Rino,wuss,crazy or unelectable.Perry 2012.
Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM

This poll has Obama defeating Perry.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM

12 months to the convention. Anything can happen, and probably will.

Paul-Cincy on August 31, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Exactly. The sheer amount of static analysis going on here at HA is amazing. As if Perry will jump to the top of every poll and simply stay there for the next 15 months…. good grief.

Dongemaharu on August 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM

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MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Yep, and accusing Perry of treason falls easily under that definition.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

That’s not concern trolling. You can bet on it that Perry’s handlers are working with him on how to speak and behave on the national stage, just as all candidate’s advisers do.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:12 AM

So, you agree with MJBrutus that Perry’s statements have been treasonous.

Good to know.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Just find the one that can beat Obama then tell the rest of them to get out of the way. Do nothing that may damage the front runner and don’t allow our priorities get watered down. This is a time for unity not family squabbling and petty infighting.

rplat on August 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Yeah, let’s just cancel the primaries!

Dongemaharu on August 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Margin of error makes them basically tied and nobody will want to vote for Obama by next November.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

jon1979 on August 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM

You make some great points. And you’re right that his first priority is to win the nomination and worry about the general election later. You’re also right that he has a very good record of winning.

Speaking as one who doesn’t know him well yet, I’ve seen some worrying traits that I hope he can shed later on. I don’t want to see him tack so far that he irretrievably alienates people we will need later on. Perhaps I worry too much :-)

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Another poll showing the Tea Party is perfectly comfortable with Perry. So Palin comes in with the Tea Party behind Romney. Interesting.

Marcus on August 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

We had a poll on our site asking should Palin run. Almost 60% of the Tea Party people who voted said they did not want Palin to run for President. I was shocked.

She has her core group of supporters, and many people like her, they just don’t see her as Presidential.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

gatorboy on August 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM

I did not say he is perfect. He is good enough and better than the rest.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Hey troll boy, I did not say that his remarks were treasonous. I was referring to the nuttiness of him using that term to describe Bernanke. Try to keep up.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:40 AM

That’s not concern trolling. You can bet on it that Perry’s handlers are working with him on how to speak and behave on the national stage, just as all candidate’s advisers do.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:12 AM

So, you agree with MJBrutus that Perry’s statements have been treasonous.

Good to know.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:36 AM

So you have major issues of being totally unable to manage even basic reading comprehension and with your desperate need to manufacture fraudulent strawmen.

Good to know.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Hey troll boy, I did not say that his remarks were treasonous. I was referring to the nuttiness of him using that term to describe Bernanke. Try to keep up.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:40 AM

As I said, some folks just never learned to read. More’s the pity.

I blame government schooling,lol.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Though this and other polls have indicated Palin’s presence would be negligible, I think she will get a bump if she announces…probably take a lot of Bachmann’s support, as well as some from Perry. But, I’m not sure if she’d be able to sustain that support, because electability is bound to be the major concern with her…it’s by far mine.

changer1701 on August 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Speaking as one who doesn’t know him well yet, I’ve seen some worrying traits that I hope he can shed later on. I don’t want to see him tack so far that he irretrievably alienates people we will need later on. Perhaps I worry too much :-)

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Speaking as one who knows him very well (politically, not personally), those traits should worry you. I’ve voted for him 3 times, but I didn’t vault into the voting booth with pompoms. He is first and foremost, a politician, and a good one. On some issues, they don’t come any better, e.g. second amendment. But his weakest and most indefensible area is immigration and I suspect you’ll see that brought up in debates. Trust but verify.

TxAnn56 on August 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Polls without the raw data before demo-correction revealed are just pure propaganda.

LeeSeneca on August 31, 2011 at 9:48 AM

TxAnn56 on August 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I know that I’m somewhat heretical on the subject, but in most respects I am lenient on immigration. I want to see all rules for hiring and taxation being enforced and I want our borders secured. However, I am not strongly opposed to things like the Dream act. I think that all immigrants graduating with engineering, math, science and medical degrees have a green card stapled to their diplomas. The main thing is that immigrants be made to compete on the same basis for work as citizens (OSHA, payroll taxes, unemployment, health, etc). So, I’m not turned off by Perry’s stance. I know that I am an outlier among GOP voters in this regard as well as some other issues.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Yep, and accusing Perry of treason falls easily under that definition.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

No one accused Perry of treason. Perry accused Ben Bernanke of treason.

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Margin of error makes them basically tied

You mean on Perry losing to Obama in this poll? That works several ways – it could also mean that Perry is even further behind Obama.

Besides that, if you project and assume the numbers would really be higher, then you have to do it across the board. In so doing, you would have Romney beating Obama, with Perry still struggling.

and nobody will want to vote for Obama by next November.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

There’s a saying about enumerating poultry prior to their nascency.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

If Perry doesn’t put aside his religious pandering and otherwise saying nutty stuff (treasonous?) he may well succeed in losing.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Reader’s digest version. We focus on jobs and the economy, we win. We pander to religious fanatics, we lose.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Have you considered the fact that Perry might be winning because of what you call “religious pandering”? You are behaving just like the national liberal media: you create a meme and stick to it no matter how foolish and devoid of facts it is.

Since when did America start to consider Christian groups – Catholics, Evangelicals, etc… – as “crazies”, “religious nuts”, “freaks” when some of these sects have been present before (or since) America was founded? Our founding fathers would have their mouths wide open in shock if they see how an increasingly secular and anti-Christian society now calls Christians a fringe group!

Perry is ahead of the pack because he is seen as pandering to no one: he means what he says and says what he means. He is not ashamed of his conservatism – fiscal, social, and defense. Many therefore rightly see him as the best candidate to unite all conservatives. He has strong appeal within the base and reaches to Establishment-types as well.

Romney, on the other hand, is a perfect replica of the new breed of politician – say anything to get elected, poll driven, opportunistic, etc… The party base does NOT trust him to deliver on conservative policies. He would switch course the minute the media hype a libaeral poll that says conservative policy A has become unpopular.

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

We had a poll on our site asking should Palin run. Almost 60% of the Tea Party people who voted said they did not want Palin to run for President. I was shocked.

She has her core group of supporters, and many people like her, they just don’t see her as Presidential.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

I wouldn’t be so shocked. Many people do like her, but in my experience – parents, siblings, colleagues, associates (all Republicans) I don’t personally know one soul who wants her to run. Not one.

Marcus on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Yep, and accusing Perry of treason falls easily under that definition.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

No one accused Perry of treason. Perry accused Ben Bernanke of treason.

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I think all fossten heard was the loud overhead “WOOOSH!” sound.
:)

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:58 AM

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Don’t worry. Lil Jimmy is not coming back unless we nominate an idiot.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 9:59 AM

I know that I am an outlier among GOP voters in this regard as well as some other issues.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:53 AM

No you aren’t. You just get drowned out by those who see the illegal alien issue as the only issue.

Or, those who glom onto that issue as a bat to beat Perry over the head.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Hey troll boy, I did not say that his remarks were treasonous. I was referring to the nuttiness of him using that term to describe Bernanke. Try to keep up.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Try to post more clearly then. Your posts read like you have a mouth full of warm hamster vomit.

They smell like them too.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 10:03 AM

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

A couple of points.

1. I’m happy to debate, but please don’t argue with what I did not say. I did not say that all Christians are crazy. Your response would be like someone accusing you of the same if you were to call the Westboro crowd nutty.

2. You’re point about him trying to appeal to the religious types to win the primary is well taken. Perhaps I worry too much, but I do not want to see him tack so far in that direction that he loses his ability to appeal to the general electorate. I feel at times that he puts himself of danger of doing so.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 10:05 AM

I wouldn’t be so shocked. Many people do like her, but in my experience – parents, siblings, colleagues, associates (all Republicans) I don’t personally know one soul who wants her to run. Not one.

Marcus on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I’m a Perry supporter myself, so I’m not in the wanting Palin to run camp. And no, it’s not because I’m jealous! To tell you the truth, it’s a little off-putting to women that if we don’t support Palin, we’re accused of being jealous of her. Most of the women I’ve spoken with who feel as I do, have concrete reasons for not supporting her in a Presidential run – and it has nothing to do with being jealous.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 10:05 AM

We had a poll on our site asking should Palin run. Almost 60% of the Tea Party people who voted said they did not want Palin to run for President. I was shocked.

She has her core group of supporters, and many people like her, they just don’t see her as Presidential.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

If that empty suit we have now can be President, then anyone can. But let us correct your meme before it catches fire.

Some Palin supporters do NOT want her to run – not because they do not see her as Presidential but because they are worried, rightly or wrongly, about her electability.

This is in light of the damage she has sustained to her brand since 2008 but, which thankfully she has been hard at work repairing. She knows more about her chances than everyone hence her earlier statement that she will sit 2012 out if there is a candiate she can support in the field.

I hope she sees Perry, who she has been close friends with for quite a while, as worthy of her backing – as many of her supporters, like myself, see him.

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 10:06 AM

We’ve had the media polls and Zogby tell us that Rick Perry has become the frontrunner in the Republican presidential primary polling at the moment. Now we can add an academic poll as well.

There’s no doubt that the GOP is full of dumb people.

Falz on August 31, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Palin once again in 3rd place as an unannounced fully vetted candidate. She announces her bounce should be between 5 and 10 pts. Placing the race into a 3 way tie. Far from being irrelevant Palin’s entery into the race will change the game once again.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

She has her core group of supporters, and many people like her, they just don’t see her as Presidential.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

that’s what campaigns are for. when she is on stage with Perry and Mitt and people can judge all three side by side. that view will quickly disappear. Look at Bachmann’s debate performce in NH. It made her instantly seen as equal to the others. However Bachmann’s latter gaffes and bad campaigning once againknocked her down.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Marcus on August 31, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I don’t know one soul who thinks we need another TX gov as POTUS. your point?

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:16 AM

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 10:05 AM

I apologize, MJBrutus, for ascribing to you something you did not say. I must say I was trying to reach beyond your statement to what the liberal media have been pretty much saying about Christians this cycle.

Christians are labeled “crazy” for believing in a God who created the universe and all that is within; a God who has made clear in His word that He abhores homosexuality but loves the gay/lesbian to the extent that He sent His son to come die for them, etc… Most Christians believe these things because it is what is plainly presented in the Bible.

Muslims also have their beliefs in creation and also abhore “open” homosexuality – perpetrators face the death penalty – but you won’t see the media identify them as fringe groups! Maybe it’s because a fatwa would be placed on whoever calls them that? :).

But back to the main point on Perry: I understand your concern but pandering is more easily spotted than you think. Voters easily identify and respect those who genuinely stand for something. Perry, I believe, is seen as genuine in his faith and not a panderer hence it becomes less of an issue than Obama who can’t decide whether to go to church or not.

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 10:23 AM

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:16 AM

i cant believe nixon won, i dont know anyone who voted for him

maybe you should get out more…

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 10:24 AM

In head-to-head matchups with Obama, Romney and Perry perform similarly. Romney has a 45/45 tie, while Perry has a 42/45 virtual tie within the margin of error. Romney is more well known, however, as 55% of the survey respondents don’t know enough about Perry to form an opinion of him.

Of the 45% who know Perry, 42% vote for him. All he needs now is 9% out of the 55% who don’t know him. That shouldn’t be too hard, if Perry runs a halfway-decent campaign.

Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:26 AM

The main thing is that immigrants be made to compete on the same basis for work as citizens (OSHA, payroll taxes, unemployment, health, etc). So, I’m not turned off by Perry’s stance. I know that I am an outlier among GOP voters in this regard as well as some other issues.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 9:53 AM

We all have our important issues. No matter who the nominee is, it’s always better to know exactly what you’re getting so you won’t be disappointed when he/she takes a turn that you didn’t expect.

TxAnn56 on August 31, 2011 at 10:27 AM

I don’t know one soul who thinks we need another TX gov as POTUS. your point?

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:16 AM

I’m a Perry supporter because I think he’s the closest thing we’re going to get in an electable conservative candidate. If we get someone too squishy and RINOish, the far right won’t vote for them (another poll we had indicated that 50% of conservatives would not vote for Romney if he were the nominee). If you go too far right, the independents and squishy Dems won’t vote for them.

Perry has Tea Party and mainstream GOP support. Independents will like his record on job creation and the economy. He’s a fighter and a winner. The fact that he’s seen as a conservative Southern Governor will almost guarantee he will take the South in an election. Those are winning electoral votes.

I want Obama out and I believe Perry is the one to do it.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Of the 45% who know Perry, 42% vote for him. All he needs now is 9% out of the 55% who don’t know him. That shouldn’t be too hard, if Perry runs a halfway-decent campaign.

Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:26 AM

out of the 100% of people who don’t know the generic republican the majorty votes for him/her over Obama. that is the whole point. Blank slates get more votes then vetted candidates get. With the MSM the gop will have no blank slates.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Of the 45% who know Perry, 42% vote for him. All he needs now is 9% out of the 55% who don’t know him. That shouldn’t be too hard, if Perry runs a halfway-decent campaign.
Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:26 AM

With more than half of Americans not knowing much about him it also leaves the “defining” room open to his opponents and a hostile media.

For his candidacy to survive, Perry’s going to have manage to make it though the debates and MSM interviews. It’ll be sink or swim time and by this time next month we’ll have a pretty good idea if he’s viable or not.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

I want Obama out and I believe Perry is the one to do it.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM

fair enough. I think a dishrag can beat Obama and I want someone in office that will not sell out to big business, crony capitalism. Someone that want s to restore our freedoms, repeal obamacare, return us to free market capitalism instea dof further the crony capitalism game. Someone that will cut spending and start to ge tus out of debt. Perry is not that candidate. He will be better than Obama but a far cry from what we need. Isn’t Texas motto something like go big or go home? Why would you all settle for a crony capitalist when you can have a free marketer?

Yuo are basically admitting fear of losing is controlling your vote. Fear is no reason to vote for someone.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:16 AM

i cant believe nixon won, i dont know anyone who voted for him

maybe you should get out more…

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 10:24 AM

I was thinking unseen was a vampire who only knew other souless creatures, but yours is nicer.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM

i cant believe nixon won, i dont know anyone who voted for him

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Are you saying Perry will resign from office due to crimnal activity? I don’t think he would be that bad.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Some Palin supporters do NOT want her to run – not because they do not see her as Presidential but because they are worried, rightly or wrongly, about her electability.

This is in light of the damage she has sustained to her brand since 2008 but, which thankfully she has been hard at work repairing. She knows more about her chances than everyone hence her earlier statement that she will sit 2012 out if there is a candiate she can support in the field.

I hope she sees Perry, who she has been close friends with for quite a while, as worthy of her backing – as many of her supporters, like myself, see him.

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 10:06 AM

IMHO, Palin lost a lot of support from Independent voters when she quit the Governorship of Alaska, despite the fact that there were no major scandals against her at the time. They perceived, rightly or wrongly, that Palin can’t handle pressure. Over two years later, poll after poll shows that she has not won back those voters, and neither she nor any other Republican can be elected President with Republican votes alone.

Perry holds many of the same political positions as Palin does, but has been elected Governor of the second-largest state three times, and cannot be accused of abandoning his state after serving as Governor for over 10 years. If Palin is truly a team player, wanting her IDEAS to lead the nation even if she does not, she should welcome Perry’s surge in the polls and endorse him, possibly in exchange for a Cabinet position. Sarah Palin’s major strength is on oil / gas / energy issues, and she could serve the nation well as Secretary of the Interior or Secretary of Energy under President Perry.

Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:43 AM

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Thank you. You’re a class act and I appreciate that my complaint was well received.

The media is of course biased. Phew, I’m glad we were able to clear the air on that :-)

You’re right about the validity and pragmatism of displaying one’s core values. My concern is more one of emphasis than of kind. While not a believer, I respect Perry’s (and your) beliefs and don’t ask you to hide them or practice them only in private. Speaking politically, I don’t see that he has anything more to gain by ostentatious display of his religious beliefs. The people who are motivated to vote based on them can be taken for granted. They won’t vote for PBHO and in fact will show up to vote against him.

We need to ensure that the voters who are reachable by his message of states rights, tax, tort and entitlement reform, etc. are not alienated by other issues.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 10:44 AM

I hope she gets in and we fight it out!

Why is everybody sooooooooo afraid?

golfmann on August 31, 2011 at 10:49 AM

i cant believe nixon won, i dont know anyone who voted for him

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Are you saying Perry will resign from office due to crimnal activity? I don’t think he would be that bad.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Unless you’re joking, I think you missed the point there:
Pauline Kael​ quote

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Romney is smart this go round on the trail.
Perry will shoot himself in the foot eventually with his religious and Socon pandering.
Mitt should just stay the course, slow and steady.

rickyricardo on August 31, 2011 at 10:50 AM

So Perry’s polling only thirteen points ahead of someone who’s not even in the race and who (according to conventional wisdom recently) won’t even run but will endorse somebody else. Should I really be impressed with Perry at this point? :-)

Aitch748 on August 31, 2011 at 10:50 AM

With more than half of Americans not knowing much about him it also leaves the “defining” room open to his opponents and a hostile media.

For his candidacy to survive, Perry’s going to have manage to make it though the debates and MSM interviews. It’ll be sink or swim time and by this time next month we’ll have a pretty good idea if he’s viable or not.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

I did say that Perry needed to run a halfway-decent campaign, which is better than what Romney or McCain did in 2008. This would have to include both debates and MSM interviews, but Perry has had to deal with lefty media in Austin and Houston for years, and should know how to handle them.

Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:50 AM

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:37 AM

how ironical of you of all people to bring up someone resigning from office….

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I did say that Perry needed to run a halfway-decent campaign, which is better than what Romney or McCain did in 2008. This would have to include both debates and MSM interviews, but Perry has had to deal with lefty media in Austin and Houston for years, and should know how to handle them.
Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Yeah, though my definition of halfway-decent would include realizing that what works in some parts of Texas might not work out as well if projected nationally. You can be sure his people are running him through the paces and practicing. (As it is with all major candidates)

I don’t believe Perry has debated an opponent for years – is that correct? The only thing I’ve seen is a sitdown interview on YouTube – not a debate – where he really didn’t fare very well at all with some tough questioning.

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 11:00 AM

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 11:00 AM

do you have any specifics when you say “…what works in some parts of Texas might not work out as well if projected nationally.”? i know some of things in regards to lawsuits (loser pays, cap on damages) would need to be done by the states NOT by the feds.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Yuo are basically admitting fear of losing is controlling your vote. Fear is no reason to vote for someone.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

It’s not fear of losing – it’s wanting to win. I don’t think Palin can deliver victory in the general election.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 11:18 AM

whatcat on August 31, 2011 at 11:00 AM

he debated in the last election, him, white and medina. most people seem to think medina cleaned his clock. maybe you could call Governor Medina’s office and see if they have a copy of the tape. oh, wait….

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 11:18 AM

unseen and i dont agree on candidate’s but i agree dont vote out of fear, and dont pick a candidate based on who you think can win. being able to chest bump and say you picked right is all well and good, but if that candidate doesnt represent you on the views than you have lost. if you feel palin is the candidate (if she runs) that best follows your political beliefs then vote for her. she may not win but the one who does will see that they have to move that direction to keep the base together and pull in her supporters so it definitely helps. the primaries will show the eventual candidate which way to tack. the general is the place to hold your nose and vote for a candidate that you may not like.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM

He debated KBH and Medina in the primary. White shot himself in the foot and there were no gubernatorial debates in the general.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM

unseen and i dont agree on candidate’s but i agree dont vote out of fear, and dont pick a candidate based on who you think can win. being able to chest bump and say you picked right is all well and good, but if that candidate doesnt represent you on the views than you have lost. if you feel palin is the candidate (if she runs) that best follows your political beliefs then vote for her. she may not win but the one who does will see that they have to move that direction to keep the base together and pull in her supporters so it definitely helps. the primaries will show the eventual candidate which way to tack. the general is the place to hold your nose and vote for a candidate that you may not like.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM

I am not as conservative as my husband, so no, Palin is not my candidate regardless of whether I think she can win. I’m not as far to the center as Romney, but not as far to the right as Bachmann and Palin. Perry is a good fit for me personally.

tnmama on August 31, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Wow, the concern trolls sure are out in force this morning – I’m counting 3 in this thread alone…is that a record?

Lando Jones on August 31, 2011 at 11:37 AM

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM

that’s right, my bad. white wouldnt release his tax records and perry refused to debate until he had.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Try to post more clearly then. Your posts read like you have a mouth full of warm hamster vomit.

They smell like them too.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Can you dispense with this kind of attack? Try to dicuss what is being said after you read the post. I hate this kind of personal attack toward other people. MJ was expressing his opinion, which you didn’t read correctly and then this?

We all have a right to express our opinions, but ill manners should be out of bounds.

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 12:19 PM

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

There was more to it than that. White first asserted that Perry was a crony capitalist (kind of like what has been going on here). Perry released all his tax returns since entering public office and stated that White should do the same, or Perry wouldn’t debate him (White was desperate for any debate by this time). White would only release selected tax returns and then used Perry’s refusal to debate as Perry was afraid (kind of like what the Perry haters are doing here). Perry would have been boxed into as many debates as White could ever want if he had released those records.

From Politifact Texas

Perry has said he wouldn’t debate White until the Democrat makes public his tax returns for the six years he served as Houston’s mayor, the two years he was deputy energy secretary in the Clinton administration and from when he led the Texas Democratic Party. As of Aug. 18, 164 was the number of days the Perry campaign says have passed since it called for their release.

“Once he releases his income taxes and tells the public how he made his money in public service and as a business person, we’ll be more than happy to discuss debates,” Perry spokesman Mark Miner said, according to an April 26 story on WFAA.com. Perry has made public his own returns going back to 1991, when he first became a statewide officeholder.

White has since released his returns dating back to 2004, when he took office as Houston’s mayor.

All of the issues that the self admitted concerned open minded posters Perry Haters are old news here in Texas. The self admitted concerned open minded posters Perry Haters won’t accept the answers.

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 12:22 PM

I read that WSJ article about Sarah Palin cancelling the Iowa event. Then they had a corrected item that said it’s on hold. As of a couple of minutes ago, I didn’t see anything on any of Palin’s sites.

From RightScoop:

Correction: Sarah Palin put her appearance at a Tea Party of America rally in Indianola, Iowa, on hold but did not cancel it, as incorrectly reported in an earlier version of this post.

This is exactly what Conroy said above in the first place. Now, I’m not exactly sure what ‘on hold’ means, but I have a feeling we’ll find out soon. I think she’ll have to issue a statement at this point to clear up this mess.

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Wow! Another poll showing an announced candidate (Perry this time) being ahead of an unannounced (Palin) contender.

Shock!

ChuckTX on August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM

So how about discussing the polls after Palin announces her run for POTUS?

ChuckTX on August 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM

12 months to the convention. Anything can happen, and probably will.

Paul-Cincy on August 31, 2011 at 9:17 AM

At most there’s about 7 months left before the winner is unofficially decided, and possibly less. The convention is a formality.

Hollowpoint on August 31, 2011 at 12:31 PM

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