Has the AGW argument imploded?

posted at 12:05 pm on August 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Has new research disproven the theoretical models of anthropogenic global warming?  A new study by a European nuclear research group appears to show that the actual prime cause of temperature shifts in the Earth’s climate isn’t carbon dioxide at all, or even the broader range of “greenhouse gases,” but the large ball of fire in the center of the solar system.  Not that this study from CERN has attracted much attention in the media, at least not in the US — but at least Nature reported the results and the implications:

It sounds like a conspiracy theory: ‘cosmic rays’ from deep space might be creating clouds in Earth’s atmosphere and changing the climate. Yet an experiment at CERN, Europe’s high-energy physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, is finding tentative evidence for just that.

Er, it really doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory.  The notion that the sun heats the planets is rather mundane, or at least it used to be before scientists started claiming that carbon dioxide would superheat the atmosphere.  In fact, AGW skeptics have long pointed to solar cycles as a much more likely explanation for the gradual but uneven warming seen over the last century or so.

To find out, Kirkby and his team are bringing the atmosphere down to Earth in an experiment called Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD). The team fills a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia. They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s most powerful particle smasher. As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.

Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change. The high-energy protons seemed to enhance the production of nanometre-sized particles from the gaseous atmosphere by more than a factor of ten. But, Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.

Lawrence Solomon declares the science settled already in his column at the Financial Post.  He also notes that Kirby has a reason to downplay the results of the research, and it’s not because of scientific caution:

The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth. …

Nigel Calder, a former editor of The New Scientist who attended that 1996 conference, would not be cowed. Himself a physicist, Mr. Calder became convinced of the merits of the argument and a year later, following a lecture he gave at a CERN conference, so too did Jasper Kirkby, a CERN scientist in attendance. Mr. Kirkby then convinced the CERN bureaucracy of the theory’s importance and developed a plan to create a cloud chamber — he called it CLOUD, for “Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets.”

But Mr. Kirkby made the same tactical error that the Danes had — not realizing how politicized the global warming issue was, he candidly shared his views with the scientific community.

“The theory will probably be able to account for somewhere between a half and the whole of the increase in the Earth’s temperature that we have seen in the last century,” Mr. Kirkby told the scientific press in 1998, explaining that global warming may be part of a natural cycle in the Earth’s temperature.

The global warming establishment sprang into action, pressured the Western governments that control CERN, and almost immediately succeeded in suspending CLOUD. It took Mr. Kirkby almost a decade of negotiation with his superiors, and who knows how many compromises and unspoken commitments, to convince the CERN bureaucracy to allow the project to proceed. And years more to create the cloud chamber and convincingly validate the Danes’ groundbreaking theory.

Solomon says that CERN has “found the path to the Holy Grail of climate change,” although they seem intent on hiding the evidence of it.  Solomon links to a graph that Nature apparently didn’t publish, which shows the reaction from cosmic rays in the CLOUD chamber and the rapid creation of particles associated with cloud formation in the atmosphere:

The graph above does not appear in the print edition of Nature, but it does make showing at the back of the online supplementary material. The graph shows how cosmic rays promote the formation of clusters of molecules that can then grow and seed clouds in the real atmosphere.

At 03.45 am in a CLOUD experiment in Geneva, ultraviolet light began to create molecules in the cloud chamber, which approximates the air in the atmosphere. Jn above shows the neutral phase of the experiment, during which the CLOUD experiment electrically removed ions and molecular clusters. At 4.33 am, the CLOUD experiment stopped the electrical removal and allowed natural glalactic cosmic rays (Jgcr) to enter the chamber through the roof of the Geneva building, leading to a faster rate of cluster buildup.

Then, at  4.58 am, CLOUD also beamed charged pion particles (Jch) from an accelerator (these are equivalent to cosmic rays), the rate of cluster production took off, convincingly demonstrating the effect of cosmic rays on cluster growth.

British newspapers like the Register and the Telegraph have reported on the results from CERN, but it’s not received much attention from the American media.  Investors Business Daily wonders why all of those who proclaimed the supposedly “settled science” are now so quiet:

With the help of an eager media, they have spun a nearly believable tale of fright and insulated themselves well from the skeptics.

But their days are few. Truth keeps getting in the way of their indoctrination effort.

And it’s not just the CERN research creating a problem for them. They also need to explain why sea levels, like presidential approval numbers and consumer confidence, have fallen. According to NASA, the oceans are down a quarter of an inch this year compared to 2010.

Under the rules of climate change, sea levels, due to melting ice and water that expands as it warms, should be increasing in a way that we’re all supposed to believe is a threat. But NASA scientists say that El Nino and La Nina, weather cycles in the Pacific Ocean, have caused sea levels to fall.

The new CERN research is certainly promising.  I’d like to see more before we declare it a Holy Grail, however.  Scientific concepts require reproducibility for credibility, although it’s certainly true that AGW has been a glaring exception to the scientific method.  The first results of this research explain a lot of the failures of the AGW models, which relied on CO2 as a trigger for temperature increases with no correlation ever proven and no AGW climate model ever producing an accurate prediction.  Let’s stick to actual science rather than blind devotion to faith, which is all that AGW advocates have now to keep going.

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If the left ever starts admitting AGW is flawed, it means they have something else ready to go. Watch out for the “Biodiversity Crisis”.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Algore will resolutely deny that the sun effects climate.

Akzed on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

This assumes there ever was a real, rational, coherent argument for AGW to begin with.

catmman on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Al Gore gets no happy ending this time either.

RBMN on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

They never made an argument.

zmdavid on August 31, 2011 at 12:09 PM

how dare you print this kind of article…what are you a RACIST? Are you too dumb to Blog? Do you want to return to Jim Crow days? Hang the black folks from a tree who could have gotten great GREEN jobs from the Gubmint??? Can you see Alaska from your laptop??

C’mon, get out of the way and goosestep with the rest of us behind Fuhrer Gore!

SDarchitect on August 31, 2011 at 12:10 PM

How long before Al Gore has a full meltdown in front of the cameras?

This could send him over the cliff.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 12:12 PM

The SUN is Racist!!

Panentheist on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It took Mr. Kirkby almost a decade of negotiation with his superiors,

I’ve been having the conversation with friends lately. People not doing academic research have NO IDEA the problems that come from federal funding. If you want to publish something that goes against previously reported literature, good luck. You’ll struggle against your adviser or collaborator, your funding agency, peer reviewers. It took Kirkby a decade? No surprise.

LastRick on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Ever since someone years ago plotted the sunspot activity versus temperature and showed a perfect fit I have tried to explain that to numerous idiots. Nice to finally see there is hope that they might have to take their heads out of their butts.

pedestrian on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Obama said he would lower the water. He did it while he was golfing one day.

tinkerthinker on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

CERN is racist?

John the Libertarian on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Hey man don’t talk like that. I don’t like that. That’s racist.

vcferlita on August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM

You’d think that most people would be happy to hear that AGW is overhyped nonsense, wouldn’t you?

Fallon on August 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM

And where do the short and long term periods of weather on Earth come from if the Sun has this effect?

From the gravitation pull of the planets on the Sun as they orbit the sun.

WashJeff on August 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Those perpetrating the AGW idea are nothing but con artists, heavily invested, monetarily in the game.

Those that follow and believe it, are just useful pawns that make the con artists rich.

capejasmine on August 31, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Smoking gun!

Most “believers” in AGW do not understand the theory. If the concern was simply about how much warming we get from CO2 nobody would be alarmed. But the AGW scaremongers base their fears on a feedback effect, with elevated CO2 levels triggering a greater heating effect from H2O. The link between CO2 and H2O has always been dubious and other causes of H2O concentrations and cloud formation have been presented, but not proven. UNTIL NOW!

Solar activity which is known to effect the Earth’s magnetosphere allows more cosmic rays to reach our atmosphere. This study demonstrates that more or less cosmic ray interaction with the atmosphere does indeed significantly alter cloud cover. Clouds are the dominant cause of temperature variation. The science is now settled!

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Great post. Thanks, Ed!

petefrt on August 31, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Al Gore – the richest idiot in history!

Don L on August 31, 2011 at 12:18 PM

But the Green industry still florishes. Oh wait!

WashJeff on August 31, 2011 at 12:18 PM

AGW never did seem to explain why the Martian polar caps were diminshing, too. Must’ve been from having a couple electric go-carts charging around up there, ya think?

Scientific concepts require reproducibility for credibility, although it’s certainly true that AGW has been a glaring exception to the scientific method.

Evolution of species contra entropy and laws of thermodynamics is another notable exception to scientific method. I mean, having this long, long, long, long vector of ever-increasing complexity in a natural process is kinda counter-intuitive. But we’re the anti-science party, aren’t we?

ss396 on August 31, 2011 at 12:19 PM

As long as there is still a buck to be made by algore, we’ll still be subjected to his haranguing.

MassVictim on August 31, 2011 at 12:22 PM

ss396 on August 31, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Oy vey! If you don’t understand why evolution does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermo you have no business discussing science.

And this news is a vindication of the scientific process, not a set back! It will hopefully lead to legitimate science regaining the lost credibility with the public that politicians and unscrupulous scientists have cost it.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Ignore that bright, hot thing in the daytime sky: it’s your unwillingness to pay higher taxes and live in dark, communal caves that warms our planet!!!

/sarc>

landlines on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

In related news, Carbon Credit Futures are sharply lower today. How long before Gore cashes out on this ruse? Because this is about money and nothing more.

Matticus Finch on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

The problem with all the AGW models is that they couldn’t reproduce past known climates and can’t predict out year ones… thus making their utilities, as models, ‘nil’.

When your new theory doesn’t accurately describe current and past data and can’t correctly give new insights into phenomena, it is then dropped and the prior last known good model is used. Which will put us back in the 1980′s, model-wise. Because when you have multiple years going on over a decade of the globe actually cooling, you can’t say that global warming is causing it.

ajacksonian on August 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM

“At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step.” – Jasper Kirby CERN scientist

That’s from the original link Ed gave us and he actually quoted that part. So don’t go jumping the gun here on this story and look stupid. It’s a wait and see situation.

Benaiah on August 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM

AGW (more specifically CO2 caused AGW) was actually disproven years ago when so called scientists could not find the necessary forcing in our atmosphere required to make their theories plausible. But instead of acknowledging this they simply stopped talking about atmospheric forcing.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Al Gore gets no happy ending this time either.

RBMN on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

I hope that, like his running mate, he is shamed and held up to public ridicule in his lifetime.

Rod on August 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Al Gore – the richest idiot in history!

Don L on August 31, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Idiot implies that he bought into this instead of just cloaking himself in it to stay relevant and get rich after the 2000 election.

teke184 on August 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM

If this is true, we’ll need a grand new scheme to spend whatever it takes to block out the sun.

In the interim, there must be new taxes on the use of sun light. To save the earth we must tax the light. Darkness will, indeed, be the new black.

SlaveDog on August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Room Service, I need a masseuse. My chakra is aching something fierce.

Drained Brain on August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM

But, but, where will the thieves get their extra taxes from now?

OldEnglish on August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Time to put all this energy of proving AGW false science towards supporting pedophiles and how they are born that way and deserve civil rights.

Hening on August 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM

In related news, Carbon Credit Futures are sharply lower today. How long before Gore cashes out on this ruse? Because this is about money and nothing more.

Matticus Finch on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I shouldn’t think so ugly like this, but a part of me hopes he loses it all, and he’s left with nothing but his shiny new mansion , by the rising California sea, called the Pacific.

What he’s done is unforgivable!!!

I often wonder, if Tipper didn’t find out, or figure out just what he’d done, and that’s the reason she got out. She didn’t want to live with a man who could be so heinous.

capejasmine on August 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Algore will resolutely deny that the sun effects climate.

Akzed on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Sure, the sun could disappear tomorrow, and…

Ward Cleaver on August 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Reminder:

Out of the hundreds (thousands?) of potential candidates The President of The United States appointed a self-identified Communist radical as “Green Jobs Czar.”

That’s the Green Jobs Movement in a nutshell: it has very little to do with the environment at all.

These Leftists have royally screwed up the legit environmentalist concerns, inside and out. Sad.

visions on August 31, 2011 at 12:31 PM

OldEnglish on August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Oh, I see that SlaveDog is ahead of the game.

OldEnglish on August 31, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Hey Jon Huntsman, you’re crazy.

DanMan on August 31, 2011 at 12:32 PM

AGW didnt implode – it fizzled out because of weak reasoning, corruption, preposterous solutions and above all – Al Gore.

KillerKane on August 31, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Oy vey! If you don’t understand why evolution does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermo you have no business discussing science.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I would love to see a creationist explain how a refrigerator works.

pedestrian on August 31, 2011 at 12:33 PM

These Leftists have royally screwed up the legit environmentalist concerns, inside and out. Sad.

visions on August 31, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Define “legit environmentalists”. Because I believe most are Marxists with an overriding desire to see liberty and capitalism destroyed.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:34 PM

This is a story to watch closely, if only to see what criticisms (valid or not) emerge. Something tells me, though, that one single experiment is not enough to change the discourse on global warming.

furytrader on August 31, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Oy vey! If you don’t understand why evolution does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermo you have no business discussing science.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

You’re referring to the heavily discredited work of the hack Mark Isaak, I presume.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Time to put all this energy of proving AGW false science towards supporting pedophiles and how they are born that way and deserve civil rights.

Hening on August 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM

That makes me sick to my stomach. Literally!!!

capejasmine on August 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

pedestrian on August 31, 2011 at 12:33 PM

goddidit :-)

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

OT…

King Barry scheduled his big jobs speech on September 7th, same day as the Republican debate.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Oooh, it looks like a hockey stick.

Can I get that graph on a t-shirt?

TexasDan on August 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM

OT…

King Barry scheduled his big jobs speech on September 7th, same day as the Republican debate.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM

And he’s demanding a joint session of Congress to give it…

sandee on August 31, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Al Gore is a con man who has cost us all plenty. He and his ilk should be prosecuted for fraud.

clnurnberg on August 31, 2011 at 12:39 PM

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Never heard of him. I am referring to the fact the evolution is powered by the input of energy from that hot ball of gas in the center of our solar system (as well as geothermal heat).

I’m sure you’re too dumb to understand what is meant by a closed or open system, so I’ll leave you to stew in your own juices going forward.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

So according to Al Gore the CERN scientists are all modern day “racists”?

albill on August 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

And he’s demanding a joint session of Congress to give it…

sandee on August 31, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Does that mean Bachmann can’t debate?

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Graph: Now that’s a REAL hockey stick! ;-)

rasqual on August 31, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Ed,
We always knew the culprit was the big ball of fire. AGW was always a hoax. It imploded when we discovered that the “scientists” were making up the data. That was a while back. I am not sure why this deserves front page treatment. Is it because of lack of fun news?

antisocial on August 31, 2011 at 12:42 PM

President Downgrade: I inherited the sun from Bush.

Chip on August 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM

And this news is a vindication of the scientific process, not a set back! It will hopefully lead to legitimate science regaining the lost credibility with the public that politicians and unscrupulous scientists have cost it.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Certainly didn’t help the credibility of the peer review process, particularly when govenment funding is involved. Going to take a long time to get that back.

a capella on August 31, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Scientific Brownshirts attack anyone whose experiments support a politically-incorrect conclusion. We are in a new Dark Ages.

Cicero43 on August 31, 2011 at 12:46 PM

OT…

King Barry scheduled his big jobs speech on September 7th, same day as the Republican debate.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM

And he’s demanding a joint session of Congress to give it…

sandee on August 31, 2011 at 12:38 PM

I foresee a number of SCOTUS justices and prominent Republicans ditching the speech rather than be insulted in front of the whole country.

Granted, I’d pay money for someone to pull a Joe Wilson if Obama blatantly lies again.

teke184 on August 31, 2011 at 12:46 PM

clnurnberg on August 31, 2011 at 12:39 PM

If I was running the affairs, he’d be in jail. Maybe I should run for… nevermind.

antisocial on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Let’s stick to actual science rather than blind devotion to faith,

it snowed last winter so al gore is an idiot and fat also, too.

sesquipedalian on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

They never made an argument.

zmdavid on August 31, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Their argument was “shut up.”

Cicero43 on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Never heard of him. I am referring to the fact the evolution is powered by the input of energy from that hot ball of gas in the center of our solar system (as well as geothermal heat).

I’m sure you’re too dumb to understand what is meant by a closed or open system, so I’ll leave you to stew in your own juices going forward.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Run Away! Run Away!

Simply adding raw energy to a system doesn’t automatically cause reduced entropy (i.e., increased organized complexity, build-up rather than break-down). If this were true, no scientist would object to the elimination of the ozone, since more raw solar energy would only mean a welcome increase in organized complexity (a hastening of the alleged evolutionary process, as it were) in the world as we know it.

Speaking of the applicability of 2nd law to both “closed” (isolated) and open systems in general, Harvard scientist Dr. John Ross (not a creationist) affirms:

“…there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems … there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.” [Dr. John Ross, Harvard scientist (evolutionist), Chemical and Engineering News, vol. 58, July 7, 1980, p. 40]

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:49 PM

So according to Al Gore the CERN scientists are all modern day “racists”?

albill on August 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

CERN is the new KKK. Which makes sense since it is really run by leftists.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:50 PM

AGW HOAXERS now Galactic cosmic ray DENIERS

tarpon on August 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM

The notion that the sun heats the planets is rather mundane

This statement misses the real point of the experiment at CERN.

Not only does the Sun heat the planets, but it also ejects large quantities of particles (i.e. the Solar Wind). The Solar Wind can modulate the effects of cosmic rays, which can start the formation of clouds, which can in turn modulate the electro-magnetic radiation (i.e. light) that heats the Earth.

J_Crater on August 31, 2011 at 12:53 PM

The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth. …

I disagree. The results show that the computer models are missing many important factors that are preventing them from being reliable, and the influence of cosmic rays that the sun’s effect on them is one of them. There needs to be a lot more research done before a categorical claim for this effect being “the dominant controller of climate on Earth” can be sustained.

But the fact that the AGW and its computer models are missing big chunks of reality has been apparent to anyone who has looked at its theories and results long before CLOUD.

Socratease on August 31, 2011 at 12:54 PM

AGW HOAXERS now Galactic cosmic ray DENIERS

tarpon on August 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM

They must be racist. We should shun them.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:54 PM

I’m sure you’re too dumb to understand what is meant by a closed or open system, so I’ll leave you to stew in your own juices going forward.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

And by the way, I’m sure you’re too dumb to understand the difference between ‘order’ and ‘organized complexity.’

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Simply adding raw energy to a system doesn’t automatically cause reduced entropy (i.e., increased organized complexity, build-up rather than break-down).

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Try again when you’ve learned the meaning of the phrase, “necessary but not sufficient.”

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Global Warming is caused by the over zealous release of Chakra energy. Everyone knows that.

How big is Al’s “Chakra footprint” anyway? Maybe he can trade for some of my Chakra Credits, because I cannot afford a masseuse.

The Chewbacca Defense on August 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Al Gore gets no happy ending this time either.

RBMN on August 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Win!

Leopold Stotch on August 31, 2011 at 1:01 PM

it snowed last winter so al gore is an idiot and fat also, too.

sesquipedalian on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Must suck, being a leftist piece of garbage, with your whole worldview falling apart.

You know, tardlett, now would be a great time for the dumbest President in history, to issue new regs that would eliminate nearly 10% of America’s power generation capacity. Right?

MNHawk on August 31, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Define “legit environmentalists”. Because I believe most are Marxists with an overriding desire to see liberty and capitalism destroyed.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:34 PM

My point is that years ago there were some private organizations that existed to, say, protect endangered animals. I think species that are legitimately endangered should be protected and it’s OK to have advocates for that.

Recently, however, these organizations seem to have been co-opted by radical anti-capitalist Greens. And that’s a shame because these radical Greens will turn off a lot of people wholesale, even though some legit environmental concerns still exist.

visions on August 31, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Define “legit environmentalists”. Because I believe most are Marxists with an overriding desire to see liberty and capitalism destroyed.

NotCoach on August 31, 2011 at 12:34 PM

There are plenty of environmentalists who are legit People who care about particulate emissions, species diversification, habitat preservation, you name it. Don’t let the fact that the radical leftist whackos have hijacked and distorted so much of value allow you to condemn all environmental concerns and causes.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 1:08 PM

it snowed last winter so al gore is an idiot and fat also, too.

sesquipedalian on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

The first adjective, the answer is yes. The second…no! He’s a perpetrator. He helped get this all started and made millions doing it. He’s only an idiot that he thought he could continue this forever.

capejasmine on August 31, 2011 at 1:10 PM

If the left ever starts admitting AGW is flawed, it means they have something else ready to go. Watch out for the “Biodiversity Crisis”.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Their theory of last resort can always be ‘thermal pollution’, the addition of heat to the earth through the use of practically any fuel or industrial process.

slickwillie2001 on August 31, 2011 at 1:10 PM

The empirical evidence and their desperate efforts to cover up their fraudulent “science” and faked figures lost it long ago. Now there’s the scientific proof that their models never worked. It’s time to kick back with a beer and laugh like hyenas. This brilliant example of mass delusion and secular religion will stick around as long as the climate stubbornly refuses to deluge L.A. and New York.

Aardvark on August 31, 2011 at 1:11 PM

The penguin seems to have forgotten his happy feet. Gansta consensus. Ey homey.

Hey Al, Arkham called they want their village penguin idiot back.

Speakup on August 31, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Try again when you’ve learned the meaning of the phrase, “necessary but not sufficient.”

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Smug retorts which presume someone’s ignorance without offering to remedy it are not the means of a helpful dialog. But I’ll bite: I’m assuming you mean that an influx of energy is necessary but not sufficient to counter the “natural” state of decay and illicit an increase in order. If that’s what you’re referring to, then what other components are also “necessary, but not sufficient” in your mind?

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 31, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Earth: 0.039% atmospheric CO2.

Result: Runaway global warming!

Mars: 95% atmospheric CO2.

Result: -63 degree C average temperature.

darwin on August 31, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Don’t expect any dissemination from the MSM. The $cience i$ $ettled.

GarandFan on August 31, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Er, it really doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory.

It does if it means the gravy train of research grants is going to dry up, and you’re out of a job. Depends on who’s ox is being Gored.

Svensmark & Calder’s book, “The Chilling Stars” is a fairly user-friendly read, not overly techie for the layman, and fascinating stuff.

Another researcher, Nir Shaviv, has looked at the chemical signature of sunspot activity, several different elements associated with increased sun activity, in the geologic record. His work is looking back hundreds of thousands of years rather than decades or just a few centuries, and the match to temperature indicators is striking. Good add-on work to Calder and Svensmark.
And another big nail in the AGW coffin.

iurockhead on August 31, 2011 at 1:20 PM

The notion that the sun heats the planets is rather mundane . . .

. . . and misses the point entirely. The key is that old Sol does more than just provide heat and light — in this instance it’s the unseen, unfelt solar wind that does the work — but people forget that. And that’s why the AGW cultists have been able to hide, suppress and censor Svenmark’s, Kirkby’s and others’ real scientific work for so long.

Real science will prevail.

starboardhelm on August 31, 2011 at 1:20 PM

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 31, 2011 at 1:14 PM

That other poster has a long history of remarkably rudeness, so I don’t extend him much courtesy.

Yes, your explanation of necessary but not sufficient is good. What is needed beyond an energy source is an organism that can exploit it. For example, plants use sunlight to synthesize carbohydrates which other animals feed on. Life (order) is a possible because of energy from an external source (thus we have an open system and the 2nd Law of Thermo is not violated). Evolution is a consequence or part of the process of life on Earth.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 1:21 PM

And water is still wet….

Of course, it is the Sun which is the primary determinant of earthly climate in our solar system.

A little bit closer to Venus and we’d probably not be here at all, and a little bit closer to Mars and likewise, we’d not have developed.

But, ya can’t scam folks and try to upend the global economy and live large and rich whilst demanding others be a lot more frugal if you allow the public to know and understand how that ball of nuclear fire at the center of our solar system does a hell of a lot more than light our days and give us those wonderful suntans.

Nope, got to find something that sounds scientific and not really provable that you can extort money from governments and panic the masses into compliance…am I right, former-Vice President Gore?

But, we really need to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide, since that chemical has led to the deaths of hundreds and hundreds of thousands in the past couple years alone…how ’bout it, Mr. Gore? Here’s something you can do in your spare time….save the planet and all that sort of stuff…let’s ban Dihydrogen Monoxide and make the world a safer place. OK?

coldwarrior on August 31, 2011 at 1:22 PM

As a con artist, Gore should be tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.

By the looks of fat Albert these days, we’re gonna need a lot of tar, a lot of feathers and some heavy duty rail.

justltl on August 31, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Earth: 0.039% atmospheric CO2.

Result: Runaway global warming!

Mars: 95% atmospheric CO2.

Result: -63 degree C average temperature.

darwin on August 31, 2011 at 1:15 PM

That is really a non-sequiter. The Warmists use the same type of argument, that Venus is mostly CO2, and is hot enough to melt lead. On Venus, the atmosphere is also very thick and dense, much much higher pressure than here, which makes it warmer (same reason it’s cooler on top of a mountain than at the base, it’s called the lapse rate).

Mars is cold because the atmosphere is thin, low pressure, and can’t hold much heat, regardless of what it’s made of.

Be careful with the Mars thing, a savy warmist will apply a little ju-jitsu on you and point out Venus.

iurockhead on August 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Al Gore is, no doubt, working on plans for giant, space based fire extinguishers.

G.E.- ‘We manufacture those by the way….’.

BigWyo on August 31, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Has new research disproven the theoretical models of anthropogenic global warming?

Ed. Research really doesn’t disprove anything. Either it can support a theory, or it can fail to support a theory. If it fails to support a theory, then the problem lies in the research, or the theory, and the interpretation of the results.

ted c on August 31, 2011 at 1:29 PM

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Seriously, learn a bit about thermodynamics before spouting off things like that. Evolution is no more a violation of the second law than the fact that you grew up from a single cell is. Life is possible on earth because we have a hot reservoir (the sun) and a cold reservoir (space).

Count to 10 on August 31, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Solomon links to a graph that Nature apparently didn’t publish, which shows the reaction from cosmic rays in the CLOUD chamber and the rapid creation of particles associated with cloud formation in the atmosphere:

does that look like a “hockey stick”?? uh oh!?

ted c on August 31, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Ed, didn’t see if anyone else made mention of this, but in a slight bit of justified irony, CERN also happens to be the birthplace of the Internet.

Sorry, Al.

pilamaye on August 31, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Al Gore – the richest idiot lying criminal, agitator in history!

Don L on August 31, 2011 at 12:18 PM

FIFY I cannot stand this guy.

4Freedom on August 31, 2011 at 1:35 PM

A new study by a European nuclear research group appears to show that the actual prime cause of temperature shifts in the Earth’s climate isn’t carbon dioxide at all, or even the broader range of “greenhouse gases,” but the large ball of fire in the center of the solar system.

Whoda thunk that? Just about everyone who recognizes that the sun is the 5,500º C gorilla with 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System.

And these nutjobs think puny little mankind might need exterminating by aliens to prevent us from changing the climate by 1/2 a degree.

AH_C on August 31, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Scientific concepts require reproducibility for credibility, although it’s certainly true that AGW has been a glaring exception to the scientific method.

and that is TRUE…nice backhand, Ed.

ted c on August 31, 2011 at 1:41 PM

The very chart (correlation of temp-CO2)that algore uses in his propaganda movie clearly shows that his CO2 theory is wrong.

But an AGW believer will believe what Gore says even when the chart he shows them contradicts what he is saying.
FN unbelievable!

esnap on August 31, 2011 at 1:44 PM

I love this statement from the comment section of Nature page:

A technical error prevented us retrieving comments for this article. Please try again later.

Translation: Too many of our readers’ heads exploded. No one was available for comment.

VibrioCocci on August 31, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Why don’t those CERN scientists believe in science?

MassVictim on August 31, 2011 at 1:53 PM

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