Giuliani still mulling a presidential run

posted at 10:05 am on August 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Sarah Palin isn’t the only Republican keeping primary voters guessing.  The one-time frontrunner for the 2008 GOP nomination may still decide to throw his hat in the ring in the 2012 cycle — and that will be bad for another recently-deposed frontrunner:

Giuliani says he’s seriously eyeing another run for the nomination despite the spectacular failure last time. He’s critical of President Barack Obama, saying the Democrat has made a faltering economy even worse.

Giuliani would focus mainly on winning New Hampshire, a state whose Republicans are more moderate than those in Iowa and where independents can vote in the primary. The issue environment has vastly changed since 2008, and Giuliani insists he’s got the credentials voters are seeking.

“I wouldn’t de-emphasize (national security) but right now you have to talk about what people are concerned about, and what they’re concerned about is the economy,” Giuliani said. “I do have the economic credentials. I ran one of the most complicated economies in the United States and one that was in terrible trouble. And I turned it around.”

Like Palin, Giuliani thinks he still has time to pull the trigger on a campaign:

Giuliani said he wouldn’t make a final decision until well after the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, probably the end of September. Several other top contenders, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are already campaigning for the nomination.

“I’m going to sit down and talk it over with Judith, wake up one morning and have a decision,” Giuliani said. “Part if it will be how the other candidates perform and whether I have confidence one of them can beat President Obama. I’m not sure of it yet.”

I’m not so sure that either are correct about that.  Mitt Romney has a ton of money on hand and a proven ability to raise funds.  Rick Perry has already launched an impressive bundler network, so much so that the Center for Public Integrity has cast a worried eye on it.  By this time, the extant campaigns will have hired most of the available talent in the early primary states, both to help themselves and deny their opponents any advantage.  Palin could overcome that with her legion of followers, but Giuliani has no such advantage.  In 2008 he waited too late in the primary cycle to fight for a state, and in this cycle he appears to be making a different kind of mistake in delaying an entry, if he really does want to run again.

Assuming he runs, the obvious target is New Hampshire, with or without Giuliani’s acknowledgment.  He tried waiting until Florida in 2008 when he had more support in the national polls and it turned into a disaster.  Giuliani’s moderate social positions won’t allow him a chance to win in Iowa or in South Carolina, so neighboring New Hampshire is his only path to competitiveness.  That puts him on a collision course with Romney, though, who also needs the state to stay in the running.  Until now, Romney has had the advantage of having all of his credible competition to his right in New Hampshire and selling himself as a reasonable alternative.  If Giuliani jumps into the race, the two candidates will have to fight for the same subset of voters — and that could allow a surging Perry to steal the Granite State from both East Coasters and seal up the nomination very early in the cycle, especially with South Carolina on the horizon.

That’s not Romney’s only worry, nor Giuliani’s.  Perry has begun to make inroads in New York, Capitol Tonight reported yesterday, quietly building a network that could eat into Romney’s contributor network:

My GOP source explained that Romney, thanks to his 2008 run and tenure as governor in neighboring Massachusetts, is considered a strong frontrunner in New York – particularly with ex-Gov. George Pataki out of the race (if anyone really considered backing him) and Giuliani pushing off a decision until the end of this month.

Perry is unknown to many New York GOP operatives and county chairs, but he’s starting to make some inroads here.

He already has some WNY backers, including former Sens. Mary Lou Rath and Dale Volker. The governor also keynoted the NYC GOP’s Lincoln Day dinner back in June, filling in for Donald Trump after the developer decided to take a pass on 2012.

Trump is now saying very nice things about Perry, and has reportedly been chatting with him on the phone. Getting support from The Donald, who hasn’t completely shut the door on an independent White House run, is a top priority for a number of the GOP presidential contenders – including Romney, too.

Don’t expect big things from Perry in New York, especially if Giuliani does enter the race, but don’t expect nothing from him there, either.

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NO. A thousand times NO.

And no AG, either.

NO GUN GRABBERS, PLEASE.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Palin-Giuliani!

thebrokenrattle on August 31, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Giuliani still mulling a presidential run: Romney’s worst nightmare?

John McCain was Romney’s worst nightmare.
Rick Perry is Romney’s worst nightmare.

Don’t know about Giuliani, but I don’t think Romney sleeps well at night knowing his milquetoast approach to running for president will only cost him money and not get him elected.

VibrioCocci on August 31, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Giuliani is likely running for Vice President, and running for President (and not doing well) is the traditional way to accomplish that.

RBMN on August 31, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Nooooooooooo

cmsinaz on August 31, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Giuliani and Perry are buddies. If Perry needs Rudy to run to knock Mitt out, he will do it.

joepub on August 31, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I agree 100%

joepub on August 31, 2011 at 10:13 AM

And also from the great state of New York …

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-08-31/15-arrested-in-NY-Playland-melee-over-head-scarves/50201820/1?csp=34news

Muslims fight with cops over headscarves at amusement park.

Tony737 on August 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Ewwww, in my dreams! Too good to check.

petefrt on August 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Perry / Rudy

YEA BABY!

angryed on August 31, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Running for a longer career of Speaking Fees.

jake-the-goose on August 31, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Meh. As Attorney General he’d be amazing. As president he’d be a milquetoast. Shoot for the cabinet, Rudy.

KingGold on August 31, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

I think you are right. Rudy stayed in Florida to block Romney the last time in 2008 and it worked. Both Rudy and Thompson who stayed in SC cleared the path for McCain.

Romney was sent packing in 2008 and he will lose bigger this time around.

When you learn that Massachusetts was 49th in job creation while Romney was Governor and as head of Bain Capital they would buy up companies and then close them putting people out of work, you want no part of the Bush 41 establishment candidate Romney.

If anyone thinks I don’t like Romney, you are correct, and I will never hide that fact. He dissed our State Convention at the last minute in 2007 and at his Town Halls here would only take questions from fellow Mormons or his paid staff in my state. No thanks!

PhiKapMom on August 31, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Palin-Giuliani!

thebrokenrattle on August 31, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Good one!!

georgealbert on August 31, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Don’t be so sure of yourself, it is common knowledge in Texas. The last link in this post also directly covers it, though farther down the page. There most likely is a plan, there most likely has been a plan for a while, and, if there actually is a plan, it is now being implemented.

Will they be able to call any of the participants dumb if the plan comes to fruition?

cozmo on August 31, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Yep – I think the three of them and a few other “unknowns” have this all figured out.

gophergirl on August 31, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Giuliani has had his 15 minutes.

GarandFan on August 31, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Yep – I think the three of them and a few other “unknowns” have this all figured out.

gophergirl on August 31, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Didn’t Bill Kristol bet on something like that.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Whatever it takes to make Romney go away.

ElectricPhase on August 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM

The hit pieces are flying at MSNBC

Lawrence O’Donnell: Rudy Giuliani’s Decisions Leading Up To 9/11 ‘Cost Lives’

faraway on August 31, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Watch your language, buster

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faraway on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Romney is Romney’s worst nightmare.

antisocial on August 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Romney had all the chance in the world to make a case for himself after McCain’s loss to Obama. Especially after Obama’s stimulus and other initiatives proved to be expensive mistakes…

He describes himself as the “turnaround guy” – he should have been attacking Obama right from day 1 and proposing common-sense alternatives. His experience with Romneycare placed him in the position where he could have come out way earlier against Obamacare and predicted, in the light of his experience, that it will NOT work!

Rather Romney decided to “lead from behind” – sat back until the base got up themselves, formed the Tea Party, and fought against Obama/Pelosi/Reid. It is that lack of leadership when it mattered that has sunk and will prove the undoing of the Romney campaign!

TheRightMan on August 31, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Will anyone notice?

He was the presumptive (i.e. default) nominee this time 4 years ago and got beat (using his inimitable “Florida Strategy” of missing the first 3 primaries and hoping to win big in the Florida primary) by the Maverick.

So he really thinks he is going to be the nominee this time?

Hah!

Ditto for Mitt.

molonlabe28 on August 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Where’s the outrage? Why is Giulani teasing everyone? Why can’t he make up his mind? Isn’t it too late to jump in?

NoNails on August 31, 2011 at 10:40 AM

So he really thinks he is going to be the nominee this time?

Hah!

Ditto for Mitt.

molonlabe28 on August 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Giuliani’s not running for president, he’s running interference…

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:42 AM

I liked him better as a girl -than as a candidate.

Please, no more Northeast social liberals. They’ve already destroyed enough of the country. Interesting that much of their agenda is identical to the Communist Party of America. Take down the family, sexual corruption, dump God etc, turn the Churches from a mission of salvation to one of social justice (read as the Welfare State)oh, and like his NJ counterpart Christie, take their guns away-only the almighty Godless state should have guns.

Go Sarah!

Don L on August 31, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Yeah, me too.

I think we’ve got the same chances.

MadisonConservative on August 31, 2011 at 10:47 AM

He wouldn’t win, but I’d like to see him at the debates. Along with John Bolton.

nickj116 on August 31, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Giuliani said he wouldn’t make a final decision until well after the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, probably the end of September. Several other top contenders, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are already campaigning for the nomination.

This is too little too late, like Fred Thompson’s run in early 2008.
Giuliani might get enough votes in New Hampshire to complicate Romney’s chances, but where does he go from there? He already lost Florida BIG last time around.

Giuliani had his moment to shine, during and after the 9/11 attacks, and he should have used his moment of fame to run for Governor of NY when Pataki decided not to run again, or for Senate against Hillary or Gillibrand. He should probably concentrate on knocking out Gillibrand in 2012.

Steve Z on August 31, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Nooooooooo!!!!!

’nuff said.

Bruno Strozek on August 31, 2011 at 11:07 AM

It’s RINO-tastic!

jnelchef on August 31, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Is the man getting enough sex? He has needs, ya know…

yubley on August 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Beautiful! This distincly looks like Perry is taking a page out of the McCain playbook, Fred Thomphson, a redux.

Contrary to common perception, Fred had zero interest in the presidency, at least for himself. In strict collaboration with JSM Fred’s entry into the ’08 field was a calculated blocking action against Huckabee in SC. It was timed so as to not siphon off Mccain votes in NH where Huckster’s spiel wasn’t going to have any traction anyways. But once JSM wrapped up NH, Fred shadowed MH’s every move arriving 24hrs after MH at each appearence to steal MH’s thunder as JSM needed two consecutive wins to reignite his floundering fundraising machine. This why Fred’s run seemed to lack any seriousness, it wasn’t serious, and why fred was late out of the gate skipping IA and NH, arriving on the scene just in time to swipe the evangelical vote right out from MH in SC, and subsequently dropping out before he become a distraction in FL.

Trust me on this, FT & JSM are tight as ticks and is Frewd & his trophy wife joined John and his trophy wife Cindy on there honeymoon. Really. Fred ran a screening action for JSM in SC and this was the only purpose of his haphazard campaign in ’08, at the time I was part of JSM’s team and was there as this was coordinated.

Looks like Perry is arranging much the same scenario against Romney in his good friend Gulliani playing spoiler in NH. Bachmann’s star is already fading and it appears that by the time of the IA caucuses Perry will have that wrapped up. If he can keep it close in NH not allowing Mitt a decisive win there, or possibly winning NH outright as Mitt & Rudy split the RINO vote, then with his undoubtably crushing Mitt in SC the primary race will be effectively over. Perry will be nominee early and can concentrate his efforts on BHO and his considerable cash advantage.

It is immensely important for Perry (or anyone else) to grab the nomination against BHO post haste so as to coalesce the big R donors under one flag to take on BHO’s projected billion dollar coffers.

If RP is really running a replay of JSM/FT with RG as it appears, then I tip my hat and say well played sir!

Archimedes on August 31, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Damn!

The caffeine isn’t kicking in yet…typos galore!

Sorry folks, hope you can decipher my above mess an d get the gist of my post. Will try to do better after the next cup O’ Joe!

Archimedes on August 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM

The 2008 field was about 2000000X times better than the one we have this year….

therightwinger on August 31, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Watch your language, buster

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faraway on August 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Exactly. ‘Executing’ has to go, I suggest ‘enacting’ in its place. HA should add that to the filters, along with the r-word, c-word, other c-word, a-word, v-word, two s-words, and p-word. Let’s all be c-word.

slickwillie2001 on August 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Third time I’ve said it…he’s waiting for Palin:

ProudPalinFan on August 31, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Associated Content’s article about Giuliani run as an anti-Palin from back in January.

ProudPalinFan on August 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

RBMN on August 31, 2011 at 10:10 AM

who has done that? show me a link that shows running in the primaries is the traditional path to run for VP? cause it aint. NO ONE runs for VP. it may be traditional for the nominee to pick someone who ran in the primary. if you have any proof that someone ran in the primary w/ the goal of getting the VP slot i’d love to see it.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM

idesign on August 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM

thats just flat out idiotic, stupider than the “running for VP” comments.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM

enough for me on this thread. all these conspiracy theories and such about who is gonna help who make my head hurt. worse then friggin kos or DU.

chasdal on August 31, 2011 at 12:51 PM

The 9/11 anniversary coverage will help Rudy. If he is still in the race, he will win the New York primary; regardless of his losing in New Hampshire or Florida. He is more popular here than either Perry or Romney and he does not need a big campaign war chest to be known Here. If Romney fades out quickly, Rudy will be the moderate to face off with Perry. Whether he can beat Perry in such a Republican Primary race is another matter entirely; but he will have a very good chance against Obama in a general election. Recent poll below:

Romney vs. Obama CNN/Opinion Research Obama 49, Romney 48 Obama +1

Perry vs. Obama CNN/Opinion Research Obama 51, Perry 46 Obama +5

Bachmann vs. Obama CNN/Opinion Research Obama 51, Bachmann 45 Obama +6

Giuliani vs. Obama CNN/Opinion Research Obama 45,Giuliani 51 Giuliani +6

Palin vs. Obama CNN/Opinion Research Obama 55, Palin 41 Obama +14

KW64 on August 31, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Giuliani has to wait to see if Palin declares

His problem is Palin is holding out. He doesn’t want to waste the energy if he isn’t needed as a spoiler

She is a bad girl

Perry moved in as late as he could to avoid scrutiny of the non tea party parts of his resume. Pundits diverted attention on Perry to reverse psychology gimmicks like ‘is Perry too macho?’, How the Bushies hate Perry, Perry the Cowboy (who once loved Gore), Perry the Job creator (true, although he likes to create them for illegals), Perry the Religious nut, and whatever they thought would move Perry into Tea Party status, since it is a primary

After the primary, should Perry take all, the rumors will be disproved so Perry can run national. Reset

It all changes if Palin enters. In the last few weeks, Palin’s voice has not existed on the MSM ticker. If she runs, and if she opens her mouth, the entire soup changes for Perry.

So the question is this time, who does Giuliani not love? He didn’t used to love Romney.

One funny reality, Romney does not have to change his strategy because in the image war he has been consistent.

entagor on August 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

As soon as Palin jumps in, Rudy will do the same.

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM

What’s with the indecisiveness? You either want to be president and jump in the ring, or you don’t. I’m sure there are lots of factors to consider…do you have enough money/supporters? Yes or no. Do you have a plan on how to win, a good team? Yes or no. You get through the list of factors, and if the yays outweigh the nays, bingo…decision! I remember back when Mr. President was trying to decide whether to send more troops to Afghanistan or not. It took FOREVER for him to decide. We don’t need another president who can’t make tough decisions so no, sorry Rudy.

scalleywag on August 31, 2011 at 2:40 PM

This could get interesting. Perry supported Rudy last time, what will happen if they are competing?

Terrye on August 31, 2011 at 2:41 PM

This could get interesting. Perry supported Rudy last time, what will happen if they are competing?

Terrye on August 31, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Thet won’t compete. Rudy will just go after Romney and aim to be the next AG. He’d go after Holder and the current thugs.

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Palin, Perry and Giuliani are executing a plan, it funny that no one sees it…

idesign

We don’t hear voices in our head either, unlike you and a few others here.

There is no master plan brewing between these three, and Giuliani will not be a candidate. If, by chance, he does get in, it won’t be to help Perry, or Palin, it will be because he wants to be president. No one goes through the stress, cost and grind of a political campaign as a candidate just to help their buddy win.

xblade on August 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM