Blame the organizers for the snafu at the Iowa tea-party rally, not Palin

posted at 7:12 pm on August 31, 2011 by Allahpundit

Tina touched on this point before, but here’s Dave Weigel noting something that drives it home:

I met [organizer Ken] Crow in Iowa this month (I’ve been unsuccessful reaching him today) and he struck me as a classic Tea Party archetype — an amateur with big Field of Dreams ambitions. He made me well aware of all the projects he was working on but seemed a little laconic for a guy putting on a mega-rally.

“It’s gonna be televised on C-Span,” he said, “and maybe Fox, too.”

Reading up on Crow today, we find that he’s a talky activist prone to showing how much he knows. For example, on Palin: “I know for a fact she ain’t gonna run.” That’s the guy bringing Palin to Iowa for an event that reporters are attending because they wonder whether Palin will run!

Let’s sum up. The organizer, who should be building hype about an impending announcement in order to promote his event, is inexplicably going around telling people that it ain’t happening. Meanwhile, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Christine O’Donnell has become for many a symbol of “tea-party overreach” (as one of our Headlines commenters put it this morning), the organizers went ahead and apparently booked her (twice!) to appear onstage before Palin, which would have handed the media a “tea partiers are unelectable!” angle on a silver platter. In fact, four different news outlets — RCP, NBC, CNN, and Politico — are claiming that O’Donnell’s appearance was one of the issues in this morning’s drama, with CNN adding this:

The Palin source said O’Donnell’s representatives misled the tea party group about the extent of the governor’s relationship with O’Donnell.

O’Donnell’s representatives told event organizers that she would be in Iowa on the date of the rally and would like to come by and “say hi” to Palin, the source said. O’Donnell was then added to the speaking agenda.

The source told CNN that O’Donnell aides lied to organizers and said Palin had been communicating via text message with O’Donnell about the rally.

“The governor hasn’t spoken to her in a year,” the Palin source said of O’Donnell.

See Ace for more on the politics of inviting O’Donnell and then read R.S. McCain expressing understandable exasperation that a triumphant moment on Saturday would be complicated by leaks and fingerpointing — some of which came via on-the-record statements to reporters by none other than Ken Crow. No wonder Palin’s team was considering walking away. When you’ve got the organizer of the event hinting to the media that you pressured him into canceling another speaker, why do him a favor by sticking around and making his event a success?

As for why Crow thought it was a good idea to invite O’Donnell in the first place, maybe he figured it’d be okay since she was, after all, at one point a tea-party star who won the Delaware primary. Whether and when she lost that stature, I’m not sure; maybe Crow wasn’t either. Last year, before the primary with Castle, it was evidence of utmost RINO-ism to suggest O’D was a poor candidate with a thin record and unlikely to win in a blue state. Now, judging by the comments today in Headlines, it’s nearly universally agreed that she shouldn’t be onstage Saturday. Maybe that’s simple electoral politics at work — Palin needs centrists to win and that’s not O’Donnell’s core constituency, to put it mildly — but then those same calculations applied in Delaware and ended up not mattering somehow. And of course Palin herself endorsed O’Donnell in the primary, which may have led Crow to think a speaking invite would be copacetic. Whatever the answer, it’s a good sign for her campaign that Team Palin is savvier about the optics of this sort of thing than the Crows of the world.

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ok that’s a wrap. don’t forget the UNDEFEATED is starting on PPV and VOD today. enjoy the movie well worth the $4.00

unseen on September 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

you shouldn’t be hassled for being honest.

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 12:29 AM

Hey, this is a discussion board. Don’t want hassle, don’t post. :)

alwaysfiredup on September 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Hey, there’s hassling and there’s hassling. I appreciate honesty when I see it since I don’t that often. ;)

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

chief on September 1, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Guess you will have to speak to the WSJ..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 12:56 AM

After about 137 posts in this thread from you, is this performance art or are you on drugs?

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

He was being facetious, Kim Roy.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Bee, Dire, take care, and watch out for the real lowlifes on this site.

MadisonConservative on August 31, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Great to see You and Bee..Thanks for the advice..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 12:57 AM

I seem to recall some folks crowing about the virtues of local amateurs getting involved in national politics.

This is what it looks like.

skydaddy on September 1, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Great to see You and Bee..Thanks for the advice..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Speaking of Bees, anyone seen Hornetsting?

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 11:39 PM
was thinking more along the lines of someone leading via a platform, rallying people to that platform etc.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM

Oh now that makes sense. I had been reading a lot on the various TP Organizations and all the problems they are having. When you said a Leader, I thot you meant one leader.

Ok, now one platform may work since you would still have your locals. Set up short term and long term goals perhaps. That makes sense:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Nat. Geo is replaying the Bush 9-11 interview now…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 1:02 AM

sorry chief but that is just dumb. Of course Palin has control on when or where she speaks, paid or not. According to reports, she almost backed out of this event unless 3 conditions were met.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 10:43 PM

I never said she didn’t have control of where she speaks. I said that she doesn’t and hasn’t had control of the actual events since she was governor. That’s a big difference.

My point was that until a Palin campaign is in charge of what happens and who speaks at these events then it’s impossible for you to use what happens at these events as a club to beat Palin over the head to advance your agenda.

“According to reports”. Now that’s funny. If the media didn’t lie about Palin and really all conservatives then you might have a point. If Palin was smart she would have told that Crow character to STFU three times. Maybe that was it.

chief on September 1, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Nat. Geo is replaying the Bush 9-11 interview now…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Thanks Gohawgs. I meant to set my DVR and forgot. I appreciate the heads up.

chief on September 1, 2011 at 1:04 AM

Palin’s not the one who claimed to be the leader of the tea party. ;)

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Oh, don’t I know that!! The American People crowned Sarah Palin the Queen of the Tea Party.

Bachmann appointed herself. Just like she filed papers for the Tea Party Caucus and gave herself the title of Chair.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:06 AM

After about 137 posts in this thread from you, is this performance art or are you on drugs?

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

He was being facetious, Kim Roy.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 12:56 AM

You must have missed the other 136 posts. So your vote is “performance art”?

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 1:06 AM

You’re welcome, chief…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 1:07 AM

You must have missed the other 136 posts. So your vote is “performance art”?

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 1:06 AM

No, I just know Dire Straits.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:08 AM

I had you figured for Ron Paul!?!..:)

Dire Straits on August 31, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Sorry, I had to LOL at this comment to unseen. Not at you, but anticipating unseen’s reaction:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Apparently, Bachmann’s superpac is going to air a negative ad against Perry in South Carolina. I am waiting for my popcorn. the tea party leader and current frontrunner. This is going to be fun. :)

promachus on September 1, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Well, she has to do something to get attention. I don’t care for her at all. With Ed Rollins, I wouldn’t expect anything but negative from her. I’ve already read about what was going on in Iowa on the ground against Palin. She’s not polling well at all, in S.C. or Fla. And she doesn’t need to think she has Iowa in her palm either from what I’ve read from voters there. She barely beat Ron Paul in the Straw Poll vote.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:14 AM

I think she gives a reason for a run, explains why she started down this raod and inspires those of us for better days ahead.

while attacking Obama and the gop establishment .

unseen on September 1, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Yes, she does explain a lot. And inspiring, no doubt!!! You know I was thinking, before SP came on the scene, I don’t recall many inspiring speeches at all.

She’s great at defining the problem and stating the solution too!!

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:20 AM

Et Tu Palin?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on September 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on September 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM

You already said that on at least one other thread.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:30 AM

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:30 AM

“Trust but verify” has often morphed into “mistrust and double check”…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 1:37 AM

You already said that on at least one other thread.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:30 AM

Read the first line.

True_King on September 1, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Dire Straits on August 31, 2011 at 11:56 PM

After about 137 posts in this thread from you, is this performance art or are you on drugs?

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

The Perrikrishnans abducted DS. :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 1:52 AM

Read the first line.

True_King on September 1, 2011 at 1:49 AM

I did.

Perhaps you’d be better off saying ‘people’ will betray you. I doubt the Rethuglicans are as bad as the ‘rats. Even Neal Boortz can speak of betrayal by the Libertarian party.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:53 AM

Well, if the idiot suckers who sent good money to O’Donnell that might have been better used elsewhere have learned their lesson, maybe everything has been worthwhile.

Still, ought they not include some signature line of apology for being that stupid and for maligning all us wiser souls who told them over and over what a loser con artist she was? I think so.

But those who see conspiracy here are as dumb as those who sent cash to Christine (which she is still living on, legally). Crow is just too inexperienced to know that once you land the headliner, you don’t make any other changes without clearing them with the headliner first. People won’t be coming to see the field where the balloons launch, since they won’t be there. They are coming to see Palin.

Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

Adjoran on September 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

kim roy on September 1, 2011 at 1:06 AM

No, I just know Dire Straits.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:08 AM

You know the DS before the abduction incident. Now why did you prevent COD from speaking and selling books? Why?

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

I think O’Donnell faded fairly quickly after the election. Crow is either inept or this was deliberate because I would certainly see her as a liability and a detraction onstage.

INC on September 1, 2011 at 1:56 AM

why is Palin scheduling things with organizations so easily infiltrated and taken control of.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 11:13 PM

The Perry supporter is the Founder of the Tea Party of America! Why don’t you read what I’ve written at this post? Ken Crow & Charlie Gruschow are Founders and Co-Founders and they are the Organizers of the event. What is so difficult to understand?
Why are you doubting what unseen is saying? He researches the same as I do, trying to find out what is going on with this flap.

Don’t try to blame everything on Sarah Palin. It’s clear the venue and speakers were already set. Then Ken Crow made a change.

Read this:

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

‘Twasn’t me. I was one of the ‘idiot suckers’ Adjoran spoke of.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Good detective work.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 1:58 AM

No. I’m saying your talk of infiltration and implication of some big spy ring total crap. But getting a Perry supporter who is the sole connection between the Palin camp, COD and the media somehow in the picture has nothing to do with this James Bond spy crap you’re playing it off to be.

miConsevative on August 31, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Hopefully by now you’ve read my post here:

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:59 AM

‘Twasn’t me. I was one of the ‘idiot suckers’ Adjoran spoke of.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Well it seems there are two kinds of people in this world: the suckers and the blowers; and they have been feuding for years.

Sometimes the suckers co-opt the blowers and blow, other times the blowers co-opt the suckers and suck.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:01 AM

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Wow..Karl Rove approves..///:)

Dire Straits on August 31, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Just clarifying..:)

Dire Straits on August 31, 2011 at 11:21 PM

LOL, glad you did. I read the first post and was thinking, ?

Rove is disappointed:-) Among others, heh

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 2:02 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Much like the wind and the sea…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:07 AM

Oh, and Geo,

The mask is mostly off…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:07 AM

No, I just know Dire Straits.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Yes you do my friend!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:10 AM

bluefox on August 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM
windandfart and madcon will be accusing you have making crap up and getitng it wet soon.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Could be:-) I had a go round with MC once. I think it was a draw:-)

I’m a pretty good story teller, so if I needed to make any of this up, it would be better, LOL At least I wouldn’t have been broadcasting my play by play to the MSM:-)

Crow isn’t too smart in my opinion. I’m sure he won’t want to tangle with Sarah anymore, ROFL just thinking about it.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 2:10 AM

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:07 AM

I think windandsea is a good poster..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:12 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Good to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:13 AM

I think windandsea is a good poster..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:12 AM

Already into the booze, I see.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:14 AM

Much like the wind and the sea…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:07 AM

LOL. Good cypher.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:15 AM

I think windandsea is a good poster..but your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:12 AM

If your idea of a good poster is one who drops by to rain on Palin and then vanish with the occasional good word tossed Romney’s or now, Perry’s, way…That puts him in the same category as Lucy’s husband, among others…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:17 AM

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:14 AM

No ..Believe me ..I’m not..windandsea is cool..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:18 AM

Good to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:13 AM

Who are you and what have you done with our DS? Might be time for a family intervention. Daddy Geo will have a word with Mama Hawgs and a therapist to see what’s the best course of action. These matters can get very delicate. He He.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:17 AM

Maybe windandsea is provoked by other comments..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

.windandsea is cool..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:18 AM

Windansea is a buttplug.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

Well let’s hope for the best!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Okay..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:22 AM

I don’t think Perry himself had anything at all to do with it. I think it’s a Perry supporter wanting to make Palin look as bad as possible. Imagine that.

ddrintn on August 31, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Yes, but the person in the pic with Perry is Ken Crow a Founder of the Tea Party of America. One of the organizers of the event that Sarah Palin is headlining. That’s the issue.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 2:23 AM

Okay..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:22 AM

I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em. Ain’t all that fond of Hollowhead either. mr. seven is simply a shell-shocked loon.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:24 AM

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:24 AM

I understand..And I respect your opinion!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM

windandsea is cool..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:18 AM

Windansea is a buttplug.

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Let’s compromise: Cool Buttplug it is.

See I can be a merciful arbiter of truth. Glad we could settle this matter.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM

Windandsea is a cool poster..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Maybe windandsea is provoked by other comments..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

Yeah, much like the Obsessor is provoked. Or like how the lying liars lying ranter is provoked. Or any of the many other one note Johnny’s are provoked…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Like I said your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:30 AM

miConsevative on August 31, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Ken Crow is a Founder of the Tea Party of America. If he’s a Perry supporter, then he needs to say so. Why bring in COD?

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 2:30 AM

What the hell ever happened to HoustonRight?

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Like I said your mileage may vary..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:30 AM

I’m not much in favor of double or triple standards and/or duplicitous behavior…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

It does seem kind of cheesy to try to get somebody elected as a US Senator, and then be too ashamed to have them speak at the event you headline. Maybe Sarah is maturing a little.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Yeah, good point. I look forward to Perry allowing Al Gore to open for him at his next ralley.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Yeah, good point. I look forward to Perry allowing Al Gore to open for him at his next ralley.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Ba-dum-bump!

Lanceman on September 1, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

I understand!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:45 AM

bachmann’s superpacs attack ad on Perry. the Perry krishnas will not be happy.

unseen on September 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

thanks. Keep Conservatives United is the title. Well, we’ll see how her attack ad plays in S.C. A Southern State against a Southern Governor by a Yankee. Sure, that will be well received:-)

I hope the ad gets some play before the S.C. DeMint debate.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Yeah, good point. I look forward to Perry allowing Al Gore to open for him at his next ralley.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

ROLFMAO. Good point. Ya know you could repeat that a dozen more times; Like this:

Isn’t it funny that Team Palin could not deal with COD..:) 8:42 PM

Says a lot about team Palin..:) 8:46 PM

PS..Why did the Palinistas slam COD?..I thought you all where above that..:) 8:50 PM

Wow..You losers would not let COD speak?!?..That is bad!..:) 8:52 PM

You all would not let her speak at the Tea Party Rally..Sounds like a slam to me!..:) 8:54 PM

I’m sorry..But I was referring to Team Palin..Seems like they do not want COD to speak!..:) 8:57 PM

COD is not speaking at the rally?..Why is that?..:) 9:01 PM

COD could speak..Then she could nt..And on and on..Surely you can get that..:) 9:03 PM

And now you folks will not let COD speak at the Tea Party Rally..:)..He.He..: 9:07 PM

PS..I still can’t get over Team Palin not letting COD speak..:) 9:28 PM

And then Team Palin will not let COD speak at a Tea Party Rally?!?..That is sad..:( 9:35 PM

Plus I think Perry’s Folks would have let COD sell some books..:) 9:54 PM

It’s really sad Team Palin would not let COD sell some books..:( 10:41 PM

It maybe weak..Just as weak as other arguments..:) 11:00 PM

Am I not allowed to back a “conspiracy theory “also?..:) 11:34 PM

DS was very mischievous today but still a good sport once the de-programming commences. Hehe :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM

I am what I am!..LoL!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:54 AM

Geo,

When you get a minute look up piglet’s comments today…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:55 AM

ROLFMAO.

In case you were wondering that means rolling on laughing floor my a off.

Tonto rides again.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:55 AM

DS was very mischievous today but still a good sport once the de-programming commences. Hehe :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM

He’s a PerryKirhsna who is afflicted with more and more PDS by the day. Don’t cut him so much slack.

promachus on September 1, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM

It is all good!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:55 AM

I am what I am!..LoL!..:)

Dire Straits on September 1, 2011 at 2:54 AM

So you are, spinach boy…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Yeah, good point. I look forward to Perry allowing Al Gore to open for him at his next ralley.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Touche!

promachus on September 1, 2011 at 2:57 AM

DS was very mischievous today but still a good sport once the de-programming commences. Hehe :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM

DS is a good sport and a HA staple. As far as why Palin doesn’t want COD on stage, I have a couple of theories:

A) She likes COD personally but knows her speaking there will take the focus of Palin’s message which is going to heavily focused on this (per Palin herself)

B) Based on COD’s actions after Palin’s endorsement (The “I am not a witch” ad, walking of Piers Morgan’s show, etc.) Palin now regrets having endorsed her (much like Perry regrets endorsing Al Gore I would assume)

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Exactly. Spot on again. And the organizers of the event in Indianola darn well know this as well; (one would reasonably assume) which brings the motive behind the ill-formed idea of the COD invite into question. And if they don’t know the potential repercussions in advance, well, that is pure naivete.

Sharing the stage is out of the question. Yout witty reply involving Gore addressed that perfectly.

No potential candidate wants to risk these types of unknowns. It common sense.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:09 AM

bluefox,

windansea isn’t “concerned” with that aspect. He’s always been an ABP, hit and run type commenter…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Oh. They accept facts they like and reject those they don’t. I think there is a name for that, but can’t think of it at the moment. Closed mind?

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 3:10 AM

DS is a good sport and a HA staple.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 2:59 AM

I prefer to think of him as a twisted paper clip. Hehe :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Meant to say thanks for the heads up on windansea’s ABP.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 3:13 AM

And the organizers of the event in Indianola darn well know this as well; (one would reasonably assume) which brings the motive behind the ill-formed idea of the COD invite into question.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:09 AM

If I were Perry, I would not like the way this looks.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:19 AM

After being drenched in ridicule by yours truly, unseen began to walk it back and say maybe he was not working for Perry.

enjoy your circle jerk

windansea on September 1, 2011 at 12:29 AM

Unseen and I have been researching and reading for 2 days or more. As a result more and more information has come out and that has made a difference.

I must have missed the additional information and links that you supplied. But if all you provided was ridicule, then I’m sure I missed it on purpose. Thanks anyway. Oh, I doubt if ridicule would change anyone’s mind.

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 3:21 AM

It’s already September…

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 3:27 AM

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:19 AM

There will be many bullets to dodge this campaign season. So many trying to co-opt the Tea Party Message for personal gain or to marginalize it by way of willful kookiness and other forms of subterfuge. It will read like a spy novel.

Just look at what insiders in the McCain camp did. Vultures most of them. To many its not ideology but a career move jumping from one prospect to another; to hell with loyalty.

If you look at the History of the American Revolution, on both the British and our side each had commanders vying for their own power and glory at the expense of what was right and good. Washington could scarcely trust his own leaders. Some were tying to undermine his efforts and I am not only referring to B. Arnold.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:31 AM

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Just kidding DS. :)

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:33 AM

If you look at the History of the American Revolution, on both the British and our side each had commanders vying for their own power and glory at the expense of what was right and good. Washington could scarcely trust his own leaders. Some were tying to undermine his efforts and I am not only referring to B. Arnold.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:31 AM

Excellent point. If I had to wager, I would bet that in the wake of meeting Perry last Sat, Crow became starstruck and concoted the COD invite as a way to get noticed by the Perry camp and maybe secure a position with them.

As the (apparantly inauthentic) Chinese saying goes “May you live in interesting times”. I think we are, for better or for worse. This campaign season is going to be exceptionally nasty, both the primary and the general.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:40 AM

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM
Good detective work.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 1:58

Thanks. I didn’t realize how many sites had info on this:-)

bluefox on September 1, 2011 at 3:47 AM

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:40 AM

I don’t know if you are familiar with what happened to the Minuteman project to watch the border and champion that cause, but they damn near destroyed the organization by petty infighting. There were some accounting irregularities and accusations to outs the leader.

There are many people out there who have never had a leadership role of any kind. They are amateurs. Given a little power, a thing all their life they have never before possessed, and they become intoxicated, little dictators unwilling to delegate and share. As the Tea Party matures the goofy ones will be flushed out and the one that can handle it with a steady resolve will win out.

Even the most mundane organizations have their power struggles and internal conflicts about direction. SP has been through all this and more. This will be water under the troll bridge.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:50 AM

Party on, September

Gohawgs on September 1, 2011 at 3:52 AM

Even the most mundane organizations have their power struggles and internal conflicts about direction. SP has been through all this and more. This will be water under the troll bridge.

Geochelone on September 1, 2011 at 3:50 AM

Ain’t that the truth. It will be highly amusing watching each misstep and hickup immediately be trumpted as a “campaign ender” by the usual suspects who have never liked her and would have never voted for her even if she ran a flawless campaign.

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. Among the political junkie class, opinions are pretty much already set in stone and have been for while. I just hope she can get her message out and make is resonate with those poor souls who think she saw Russia from her house and who will unfortunately decide this election.

‘nite all.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:57 AM

They are amateurs. Given a little power, a thing all their life they have never before possessed, and they become intoxicated, little dictators unwilling to delegate and share.

Hmmmm. Sounds like someone I know – but just … can’t … quite …get his name ….

Rod on September 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM

I just hope she can get her message out and make is resonate with those poor souls who think she saw Russia from her house and who will unfortunately decide this election.

Kataklysmic on September 1, 2011 at 3:57 AM

You are so kind. “Poor souls” is not the first term that comes to my mind when referring to these people. (The brain-dead people who laugh and attribute Tina Fey’s joke to Palin)

However, if you’re using it in reference to the final destination that all “poor souls” ultimately end up in then, yes, I agree. I’ve often said myself that they should go there.

Rod on September 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Well, if one thinks that “any publicity is good publicity”,
more people know about this event because the controversy has
been reported on more than the event itself.

However, at this stage of the game Palin’s camp should know better
than to headline an event without contracts and being informed of
those also speaking, especially before and aft.

If the Tea Party organizers don’t know what the hell they are
doing, then they need to be schooled by Palin’s camp. Who is
going to school Palin’s camp is the question.

By the way, hat tip to Allapundit who wrote a fair article
about Palin.

Amjean on September 1, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Okay, now that’s all settled, I’m looking forward to this Palin speech.

Should be a barn burner.

Interesting she will be going to South Korea in October.

Brian1972 on September 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Well, if the idiot suckers who sent good money to O’Donnell that might have been better used elsewhere have learned their lesson, maybe everything has been worthwhile.

Still, ought they not include some signature line of apology for being that stupid and for maligning all us wiser souls who told them over and over what a loser con artist she was? I think so.

Adjoran on September 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

You’re presumptuous, aren’t you?

Frankly, the only lesson I learned from the O’Donnell debacle is the extent to which “the GOP will betray you.” The GOP insisted on running Mike Castle in Delaware and didn’t listen when the Delaware primary voters indicated that they wanted somebody else. The GOP failed to convince the primary voters to accept Castle. After the primary was over, rather than go “c’est la vie, the people have chosen, let’s see what we can do to make a silk purse from a sow’s ear,” the GOP instead went public with their disenchantment with (or borderline hatred of) O’Donnell, badmouthing her on national television and flatly refusing to support her in the election, thus contributing to her loss to Coons. To me, this is like a basketball team whose only chance to win a game rests with the team’s poorest player, and the team decides to boo the crap out of him instead of providing some minimal support.

The lesson I learned was that the GOP asks conservatives to be team players but the GOP won’t reciprocate. If Castle was unacceptable to Delaware primary voters, and O’Donnell was unacceptable to the GOP, maybe they should have looked for a third candidate before the primaries were settled.

Aitch748 on September 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Hmmm RS who says it had to happen months in advance. could Crow have simply had a change of heart AFTER Perry announced and thought maybe he would rather hitch himself to Perry than Palin?

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:38 PM

That’s my take. This all about Ken Crow, money, fame and fortune. He’s now star-struck and only looking out Ken Crow.

And if somebody really fabulous (don’t have a clue who)jumped in and rose in the polls, Ken Crow would be knocking on his door too.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 8:47 PM

You hit the nail on the head! Its all about Ken Crow seeking
his 15 minutes of fame – Palin had better be on guard – there are
a few more of his “type” out there. Does anyone know the
background of this guy?

Amjean on September 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM

she’s not running.

She’s going to be the cheerleader for the Tea Party.

What sense does it make for her to miss the Reagan debate if she’s really serious about running?

PappyD61 on September 1, 2011 at 9:12 AM

she’s running.

She’s building up for that Mid-December announcement to come in at the last minute and steal all the thunder in Iowa.

PappyD61 on September 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

she’s not running….

Todd has some fishing rights the middle of this month he has to tie up, then there is the State Fair thingy and that carved butter sculpture contest she’s got to be there for that. Then in late September there is the Eskimo Appreciation Week in Nome. And in early October dont’ forget the Snow Queen Beauty contest in Soldotna. I’m thinking it’s mid-October after the Snow Queen competition.

Yes, definitely mid October.

PappyD61 on September 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Oh geez guys, this is so simple. This Crow moron listened to someone with a pretty face, ODonnell, was flattered and believed what she said. Hey, there were a whole lot of commenters, politcos, bloggers, and voters who did the same thing. A person doesn’t have to be an amateur to do that. LOL

Deanna on September 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Wow!

You do realize that Palin hasn’t had control or scheduling input of any event or a speech since she was governor. Palin hasn’t had any authority on any of her free or paid speeches since that time.

chief on August 31, 2011 at 10:21 PM

sorry chief but that is just dumb. Of course Palin has control on when or where she speaks, paid or not. According to reports, she almost backed out of this event unless 3 conditions were met.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 10:43 PM

“According to reports, she almost backed out of this event unless 3 conditions were met”. That is where it went wrong.

One signs a contract – then if the terms of the contract are
not met, one backs out siting “breach of contract”. That is
the professional way these types of “doings” are handled.
That is where the Palin camp failed.

Amjean on September 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM

And in nominating a laughingstock like her, what are the odds that Republican primary voters are ever going to take a chance on someone like her again, even to dislodge a ruinous RINO?

so.. tell us, how were we to dislodge the Rino? I keep asking of that you establishment ..”read across the aisle to our ruins”types. I can’t quite get your logic in how voting in castle .. the democrat in republican clothing was to work. Sounds to me more like” Vote this way to our destruction and like it because we will like you better if you do” .. You do understand I don’t care what you establishment, republican types think of me or my thoughts because you all left me behind years ago? I don’t vote for you because you don’t take care of me.

Noelie on September 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Re: Christine O -

1) what is she doing with the millions of dollars tea partiers
sent her for the 2010 election?

2) her value for 2010 is that she would have voted conservative
on the issues that matter most to tea partiers. She is not currently running for any office; she damaged her own brand, and she is of no value politically speaking. Karl Rove was still wrong. He put his political interests before that of the country.
One does not trash a repub primary winner so the opposition can win. He should be run out of town.

3) she wrote a book noone wants to read because noone cares.

4) she walked off a CNN show promoting her book for reasons that
make little sense.

Her presence at this Tea Party rally would overshadow Palin
because the LSM would make the event about Christine O’s gaffes.
The LSM would then give little attention to Palin’s speech.

I am glad they gave her the hook.

Amjean on September 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM

True_King on September 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM

You’re a raging anti-semite.

MadisonConservative on September 1, 2011 at 9:34 AM

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