Blame the organizers for the snafu at the Iowa tea-party rally, not Palin

posted at 7:12 pm on August 31, 2011 by Allahpundit

Tina touched on this point before, but here’s Dave Weigel noting something that drives it home:

I met [organizer Ken] Crow in Iowa this month (I’ve been unsuccessful reaching him today) and he struck me as a classic Tea Party archetype — an amateur with big Field of Dreams ambitions. He made me well aware of all the projects he was working on but seemed a little laconic for a guy putting on a mega-rally.

“It’s gonna be televised on C-Span,” he said, “and maybe Fox, too.”

Reading up on Crow today, we find that he’s a talky activist prone to showing how much he knows. For example, on Palin: “I know for a fact she ain’t gonna run.” That’s the guy bringing Palin to Iowa for an event that reporters are attending because they wonder whether Palin will run!

Let’s sum up. The organizer, who should be building hype about an impending announcement in order to promote his event, is inexplicably going around telling people that it ain’t happening. Meanwhile, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Christine O’Donnell has become for many a symbol of “tea-party overreach” (as one of our Headlines commenters put it this morning), the organizers went ahead and apparently booked her (twice!) to appear onstage before Palin, which would have handed the media a “tea partiers are unelectable!” angle on a silver platter. In fact, four different news outlets — RCP, NBC, CNN, and Politico — are claiming that O’Donnell’s appearance was one of the issues in this morning’s drama, with CNN adding this:

The Palin source said O’Donnell’s representatives misled the tea party group about the extent of the governor’s relationship with O’Donnell.

O’Donnell’s representatives told event organizers that she would be in Iowa on the date of the rally and would like to come by and “say hi” to Palin, the source said. O’Donnell was then added to the speaking agenda.

The source told CNN that O’Donnell aides lied to organizers and said Palin had been communicating via text message with O’Donnell about the rally.

“The governor hasn’t spoken to her in a year,” the Palin source said of O’Donnell.

See Ace for more on the politics of inviting O’Donnell and then read R.S. McCain expressing understandable exasperation that a triumphant moment on Saturday would be complicated by leaks and fingerpointing — some of which came via on-the-record statements to reporters by none other than Ken Crow. No wonder Palin’s team was considering walking away. When you’ve got the organizer of the event hinting to the media that you pressured him into canceling another speaker, why do him a favor by sticking around and making his event a success?

As for why Crow thought it was a good idea to invite O’Donnell in the first place, maybe he figured it’d be okay since she was, after all, at one point a tea-party star who won the Delaware primary. Whether and when she lost that stature, I’m not sure; maybe Crow wasn’t either. Last year, before the primary with Castle, it was evidence of utmost RINO-ism to suggest O’D was a poor candidate with a thin record and unlikely to win in a blue state. Now, judging by the comments today in Headlines, it’s nearly universally agreed that she shouldn’t be onstage Saturday. Maybe that’s simple electoral politics at work — Palin needs centrists to win and that’s not O’Donnell’s core constituency, to put it mildly — but then those same calculations applied in Delaware and ended up not mattering somehow. And of course Palin herself endorsed O’Donnell in the primary, which may have led Crow to think a speaking invite would be copacetic. Whatever the answer, it’s a good sign for her campaign that Team Palin is savvier about the optics of this sort of thing than the Crows of the world.

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Of course

CW on August 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM

and yet the lsm portrays palin in a bad light on this issue

shocka

cmsinaz on August 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM

The Crows in the world are caw-caw’ing their way to oblivion. They need to mature– fast.

leftnomore on August 31, 2011 at 7:17 PM

God, high school was fifty years ago.

Skandia Recluse on August 31, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Tina touched on this point before

That’s one way of putting it. I seem to remember her calling the situation “calculated chaos” and “vintage Palin” “no matter the explanation.”

Thanks for a fair and evenhanded post, Allah.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Yep, he’s not a professional like BHO has in the White House…heh.

d1carter on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Buckle up. If she enters the race, this type of high-drama story will make news twice a day.

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

I know very little about Christine O’Donnell, but to invite, uninvite, invite and uninvite her is a dispicable way to treat any human being.

Ken Crow should be ashamed of himself.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:21 PM

From the first thread on this today…

I wonder how long it will take to find out none of this is true.

Brian1972 on August 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Yeppers.

Limerick on August 31, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Terribly run event – awful. I ran better events in Junior High.

gophergirl on August 31, 2011 at 7:21 PM

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

She’s like NASCAR. Most folks watch just to see the spectacular crashes.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Why is this news? Did we hear the details of Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney planning events? Big-channel reporters were twittering all day about this. It’s insane

And nobody CARES yet anyway. It’s August!

Wake me when the polls open…

highway64 on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I seem to remember her calling the situation “calculated chaos” and “vintage Palin” “no matter the explanation.”

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM

It’s up to Palin to decide who she does business with.

pedestrian on August 31, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Buckle up. If she enters the race, this type of high-drama story will make news twice a day.

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Yep. Oh and here’s you vest.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

She’s like NASCAR. Most folks watch just to see the spectacular crashes.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Funnily enough, I was just thinking that this update by Allah won’t change the minds of any of the people here who are invested in the idea that Palin herself is some kind of flake.

Aitch748 on August 31, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Let’s sum up. The organizer, who should be building hype about an impending announcement in order to promote his event, is inexplicably going around telling people that it ain’t happening. Meanwhile, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Christine O’Donnell has become for many a symbol of “tea-party overreach” (as one of our Headlines commenters put it this morning), the organizers went ahead and apparently booked her (twice!) to appear onstage before Palin, which would have handed the media a “tea partiers are unelectable!” angle on a silver platter.

Crow not acting helpful is suspicious.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 7:29 PM

Amateur.

terryannonline on August 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Buckle up. If she enters the race, this type of high-drama story will make news twice a day.

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Such is the problem with running a “non-traditional” campaign.

There’s a reason campaiging developed teh way it did, and its the same reason most social systems develop… they work.

If this is a campign kickoff, and she is relying on the Ken Crows of this world to provide the framework, she is essentially counting on the competence and goodwill of people who may not necessarily have the Sarah Palin for POTUS campaign as their main motivating factor.

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

hmmmm, sort of like people reading your posts to test the efficacy of their Zantac huh?

NY Conservative on August 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Aitch748 on August 31, 2011 at 7:28 PM

To set the record straight, I haven’t said she was. Neither here nor in the past. My remark was about her observers, not about her.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:31 PM

I know very little about Christine O’Donnell, but to invite, uninvite, invite and uninvite her is a dispicable way to treat any human being.

Ken Crow should be ashamed of himself.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Yes, incredibly tacky and if all were right in the universe no one would show up to this man’s event.

kim roy on August 31, 2011 at 7:31 PM

NY Conservative on August 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Sweet dreams.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:32 PM

She’s like NASCAR. Most folks watch just to see the spectacular crashes.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I think that’s Obama who will get crashed and trashed. You are starting early today. Get that song ready.

derft on August 31, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Yep. Oh and here’s you vest.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Thank you ma’am!

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Buck up, Sarah.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Palin may not be to blame for the snafu but she and her team showed a serious lack of judgement in booking this event without seriously checking out the organizers.

Palin wants to run an asymetrical grassroots campaign and disses traditional professional staffed organizations, clusterfarks like this are the result.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

It’s gonna be like this circus every day.

Apologetic California on August 31, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Way to go, idiots.

WisCon on August 31, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Thanks for a fair and evenhanded post, Allah.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM

+1

Good work, AP.

miConsevative on August 31, 2011 at 7:37 PM

It does seem kind of cheesy to try to get somebody elected as a US Senator, and then be too ashamed to have them speak at the event you headline. Maybe Sarah is maturing a little.

Southernblogger on August 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Funnily enough, I was just thinking that this update by Allah won’t change the minds of any of the people here who are invested in the idea that Palin herself is some kind of flake.

Aitch748 on August 31, 2011 at 7:28 PM

it’s not us you need to worry about. The public sees this on the news and thinks “another clusterfark involving Palin”

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Last year, before the primary with Castle, it was evidence of utmost RINO-ism to suggest O’D was a poor candidate with a thin record and unlikely to win in a blue state. Now, judging by the comments today in Headlines, it’s nearly universally agreed that she shouldn’t be onstage Saturday.

This is just sad and says more about us than it does of COD. We certainly deserve the government we get, don’t we?

kim roy on August 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

I am very upset with Ken. I have not talked to him so I have no idea WTH he was thinking. It appears Ken is the one making all the mistakes. The invite/un-invite, telling the media he knows Palin is not running (BS). He has embarrassed me, I cringe when I see he has made a statement. (even before reading it!). I hope not to hear from or about him until after the rally. Maybe there is some explanation for his behavior, I am at a loss for any explanation right now.

IowaWoman on August 31, 2011 at 7:40 PM

No matter the explanation, the calculated chaos is vintage Palin.

Tina Korbe

Just a reminder – even when it isn’t Palin’s fault – it’s Palin’s fault.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 7:40 PM

It all seems to come back to Crow. With reports that he was looking to endorse Perry suddenly a lot of this makes sense.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Now, judging by the comments today in Headlines, it’s nearly universally agreed that she shouldn’t be onstage Saturday.

I’m sorry, is COD running for office right now, Captain Unity?

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Finally an adult in the room, thanks AP.

KBird on August 31, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Last year, before the primary with Castle, it was evidence of utmost RINO-ism to suggest O’D was a poor candidate with a thin record and unlikely to win in a blue state.

That was NEVER the case. The Tea Party wanted help running their own candidate. The establishment said no. They said Castle or nothing. So the Tea Party voted for O’Donnell. She was never the sweetheart of the Tea Party. She was the best of the rest. If the Tea Party had voted for Castle, then it would have been a never ending string of establishment picks across the nation and would have killed the Tea Party movement in its tracks. Made it impotent.

MrX on August 31, 2011 at 7:43 PM

I’m sorry, is COD running for office right now, Captain Unity?

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Neither is Palin.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:44 PM

This whole episode demonstrates just how little actual involvement Palin has with C4P.

Lawdawg86 on August 31, 2011 at 7:45 PM

No matter the explanation, the calculated chaos is vintage Palin.

Tina Korbe

Just a reminder – even when it isn’t Palin’s fault – it’s Palin’s fault.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 7:40 PM

crap it looks like Tina forgot to include the I love Palin but in that statement. Mask slipping Tina?

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 7:45 PM

IowaWoman on August 31, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Since you know him, what’s his agenda?

CTSherman on August 31, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Neither is Palin.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:44 PM

You’re right, she should leave.

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fossten on August 31, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Palin may not be to blame for the snafu but she and her team showed a serious lack of judgement in booking this event without seriously checking out the organizers.

Palin wants to run an asymetrical grassroots campaign and disses traditional professional staffed organizations, clusterfarks like this are the result.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

This isn’t her campaign. She would have direct control when she runs.
And pros clusterfarks too.
But yes this snafu has an effect on her.

What could explain the back and forth is if COD lied to the organizers that she had contact with Palin.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Palin wants to run an asymetrical grassroots campaign and disses traditional professional staffed organizations, clusterfarks like this are the result.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

That’s a fair comment. Still, it’s a far cry from the snafu actually being her fault, as many asserted, or even a calculated stunt, as others implied.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Buckle up. If she enters the race, this type of high-drama story will make news twice a day.

sherry on August 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Most likely. People can’t help but say inaccurate crap about her and she doesn’t suffer fools.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:48 PM

It all seems to come back to Crow. With reports that he was looking to endorse Perry suddenly a lot of this makes sense.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Link?

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:48 PM

If the Tea Party had voted for Castle, then it would have been a never ending string of establishment picks across the nation and would have killed the Tea Party movement in its tracks. Made it impotent.

MrX on August 31, 2011 at 7:43 PM

And in nominating a laughingstock like her, what are the odds that Republican primary voters are ever going to take a chance on someone like her again, even to dislodge a ruinous RINO?

KingGold on August 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM

This whole episode demonstrates just how little actual involvement Palin has with C4P.

Lawdawg86 on August 31, 2011 at 7:45 PM

What does C4P have to do with this story? C4P isn’t involved in the TPofA event.

NoNails on August 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Palin wants to run an asymetrical grassroots campaign and disses traditional professional staffed organizations, clusterfarks like this are the result.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Yup. Much better than the astroturf Romney (and Perry, to an extent) are shoving down our throats. Democracy is messy.

This is also why she’s only going to pick loyalists for campaign staff, not a lot of DC veterans. Paid consultants are just as likely to throw her under the bus as this Crow fellow.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM

If this is a campign kickoff, and she is relying on the Ken Crows of this world to provide the framework, she is essentially counting on the competence and goodwill of people who may not necessarily have the Sarah Palin for POTUS campaign as their main motivating factor.

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Another good observation. It will be a learning experience, I’m sure.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:50 PM

And in nominating a laughingstock like her, what are the odds that Republican primary voters are ever going to take a chance on someone like her again, even to dislodge a ruinous RINO?

KingGold on August 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Pretty damn high, actually. Most party hacks are too cowardly to challenge longtime incumbents. It will always be the crusading outsider who takes them out, and CO’D is not going to change that calculus.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

I’m sorry, is COD running for office right now, Captain Unity?

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Pardon me? You’re surely, surely, surely not going to lecture me about unity after last fall’s RINO-stomp of people who supported Castle on strategic grounds, right?

And who cares if she’s running for something or not? If she announced tomorrow that she’s running for the next open Senate seat in Delaware — which she probably will, right? — would she then deserve a spot onstage?

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Link?

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Crow, apparently not realizing that I was a nobody who has never even met Perry, let alone someone who has any sway whatsoever with his campaign (in fact, I’ve not endorsed any candidate and I was simply there as a favor to a friend), told me he wanted to meet with the Texas Governor and perhaps endorse him in the near future
http://theiowarepublican.com/2…

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Paid consultants are just as likely to throw her under the bus as this Crow fellow.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Palin knows that there are more Steve Schmidts out there than there are honest and loyal consultants.

NoNails on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Neither is Palin.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Your Palin hatred is making that big brain of yours spew non-sequiturs now.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Neither is Palin.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:44 PM

She’s considering a presidential run, remember? She’s said it a hundred times. CO’D isn’t considering a run for anything.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Palin may not be to blame for the snafu but she and her team showed a serious lack of judgement in booking this event without seriously checking out the organizers.

Palin wants to run an asymetrical grassroots campaign and disses traditional professional staffed organizations, clusterfarks like this are the result.

windansea on August 31, 2011 at 7:35 PM

The only way this becomes a problem for Palin is when people – like several commenters on here – decide to ignore the facts and wrongly place blame. And they likely wouldn’t be voting for Palin anyway.

You can pick from your tea and crumpets candidate crowd who’s team makes sure everyone can raise their pinky to the appropriate height. I, personally, look for more important qualities in my candidate and give a much higher grade to one who isn’t afraid to come out from behind the velvet rope line.

miConsevative on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

As for why Crow thought it was a good idea to invite O’Donnell in the first place . . .

Permit me to answer this question: An acquaintance of O’Donnell’s who was doing promotional work for the Iowa event suggested to the Iowa organizers that O’Donnell was available. Her participation was arranged and announced — and then the organizers started getting all kinds of blowback, including from certain of Palin’s supporters.

But the two truly weird thing is why Crow went blabbing everything to the media, saying that Palin’s people had insisted on booting O’Donnell and essentially accusing O’Donnell’s “aides” of lying. The only “aide” O’Donnell has is her erstwhile campaign manager, Matt Moran. So this is essentially the public branding of Moran as a liar — and daring him to deny it.

Another weird thing: Why am I writing this in the comments at Hot Air instead of on my own blog? Eh, this is all kind of background stuff and I really don’t want to make too big a deal about it. Unless and until O’Donnell or Palin herself are willing to go on the record, backbiting amongst the operatives is inside baseball.

The Other McCain on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Pretty damn high, actually. Most party hacks are too cowardly to challenge longtime incumbents. It will always be the crusading outsider who takes them out, and CO’D is not going to change that calculus.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

So long as the party establishment’s not filled with sexists, right?

KingGold on August 31, 2011 at 7:53 PM

You’re surely, surely, surely not going to lecture me about unity after last fall’s RINO-stomp of people who supported Castle on strategic grounds, right?

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Gosh you’re thin-skinned. “RINO-stomp”? And Castle supporters know nothing of unity.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:54 PM

So long as the party establishment’s not filled with sexists, right?

KingGold on August 31, 2011 at 7:53 PM

It always is. Life goes on.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Another weird thing: Why am I writing this in the comments at Hot Air instead of on my own blog?

The Other McCain on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

LOL. Good to see you here anyway.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:55 PM

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I took you meaning to be that since COD is not running she is not deserving of a speaking engagement. The sequitur is that the same is true for the other gal.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Pardon me? You’re surely, surely, surely not going to lecture me about unity after last fall’s RINO-stomp of people who supported Castle on strategic grounds, right?

I wasn’t lecturing you about unity. I’m laughing at the idea that you seem to suddenly care about it.

And who cares if she’s running for something or not? If she announced tomorrow that she’s running for the next open Senate seat in Delaware — which she probably will, right? — would she then deserve a spot onstage?

She was running for something back then. It was a different circumstance, a sweeping wave of red going across the country. And yet, unless I’m reading you wrong, you’re acting like the commenters this morning who think it’s a good idea to have little to do with Ms. O’Donnell’s book sell (especially in light of her odd bookselling blowup last week) have some kind of disease of inconsistency.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

You’re surely, surely, surely not going to lecture me about unity after last fall’s RINO-stomp of people who supported Castle on strategic grounds, right?

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Oh my dear Lord. You must be delusional.

Karl Rove led the charge, followed by his willing acolytes in this community, to destroy COD, and you call that a RINO stomp?

Pathetic.

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Link?

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Link.

I recognized Crow’s voice because, while attending the Polk County GOP Summer Picnic on Saturday afternoon, I had been approached by Crow who was hoping to arrange a meeting with Texas Governor Rick Perry, a presidential candidate and one of the speakers at the event. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I was at the event as a Perry volunteer, signing people up to receive additional information about the candidate. Crow, apparently not realizing that I was a nobody who has never even met Perry, let alone someone who has any sway whatsoever with his campaign (in fact, I’ve not endorsed any candidate and I was simply there as a favor to a friend), told me he wanted to meet with the Texas Governor and perhaps endorse him in the near future.

“I love Sarah Palin,” Crow told me, “but I know for a fact she ain’t gonna run.”

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM

BTW, although the comment was kinda beta, thanks for the article.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

That was NEVER the case. The Tea Party wanted help running their own candidate. The establishment said no. They said Castle or nothing. So the Tea Party voted for O’Donnell. She was never the sweetheart of the Tea Party. She was the best of the rest. If the Tea Party had voted for Castle, then it would have been a never ending string of establishment picks across the nation and would have killed the Tea Party movement in its tracks. Made it impotent.

Yes, clearly, the tea-party brand was strengthened by supporting a candidate like O’Donnell, whose victory in the primary handed a winnable seat to Obama-loving Democrat Chris Coons, in order to spite the establishment. In fact, the legacy of Delaware is one of the big reasons, I think, why you’re seeing fewer and weaker tea-party challenges to incumbents this time. Undecideds don’t want to line up behind some fresh-faced self-identified tea partier because they’re afraid they’re going to have O’Donnell redux on their hands.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Link.

This photo — showing Texas Gov. Rick Perry talking to Ken Crow — was taken Saturday by Lisa Krantz of the San Antonio News-Express at a Polk County (Iowa) GOP fundraising event in Des Moines.

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I took you meaning to be that since COD is not running she is not deserving of a speaking engagement. The sequitur is that the same is true for the other gal.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Thanks. This is why you hire professionals. This guy is looking for the best deal possible aka $money$, fame and fortune.

Too bad he blew his credibility in one shot.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I wasn’t lecturing you about unity. I’m laughing at the idea that you seem to suddenly care about it.

Why should I care any more or less about it than you? “True conservatives” are forever railing about how weak and RINO-ish and corrupt and terrible the establishment is. You drip with contempt for centrists. Since when do you care?

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Suspicious guy.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Let’s say Crow is a Perry supporter as surmised. Think Perry would take him on after this?

I’m not so sure. I think Ken is eating more than one kind of crow tonight.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 8:03 PM

In fact, the legacy of Delaware is one of the big reasons, I think, why you’re seeing fewer and weaker tea-party challenges to incumbents this time.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Gotta disagree with the premise. It’s a long way to 2012. The environment is going to be very favorable for GOPers and so there will be a lot of interest in jumping in. The legacy of Delaware is that the Tea partiers will be more selective in running good candidates, which is a plus.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Yes, clearly, the tea-party brand was strengthened by supporting a candidate like O’Donnell, whose victory in the primary handed a winnable seat to Obama-loving Democrat Chris Coons, in order to spite the establishment. In fact, the legacy of Delaware is one of the big reasons, I think, why you’re seeing fewer and weaker tea-party challenges to incumbents this time. Undecideds don’t want to line up behind some fresh-faced self-identified tea partier because they’re afraid they’re going to have O’Donnell redux on their hands.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

none of the RINO lovers have yet been able to explain away the exit polls showing Castle losing to coons. Nor have they been able to explain how the Rino Meg Whitman lost by about the same % in CA as COD did in DE after she spent $180 million and had the full support of the gop establishment behind her.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Karl Rove led the charge, followed by his willing acolytes in this community, to destroy COD, and you call that a RINO stomp?

Pathetic.

And how quickly you forget the endless “Castle is no better than a Democrat!” nonsense. As I recall, the crux of Rove’s charge against O’Donnell was that she was a poor candidate and too far to the right to get elected in a state as Democratic as Delaware. How kooky of him.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

I hope we don’t have to relitigate Delaware. Perhaps the RINOs and the TrueCons can come together over Palin’s wisdom in not wanting O’Donnell anywhere near this event (despite her previous endorsement)?

Lessons learned, and all that.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

You drip with contempt for centrists.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM

And you “drip with contempt” for “true cons”. So what?

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Yes, clearly, the tea-party brand was strengthened by supporting a candidate like O’Donnell, whose victory in the primary handed a winnable seat to Obama-loving Democrat Chris Coons, in order to spite the establishment.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

I see so many short sighted people making this mistake. And I’m sure you just love the Olympia Snowes and Susan Collinses of the GOP, right? Yeah, we love the way they lend BIPARTISAN COVER to the Democrats when the chips are down! Good times, good times. The hell with letting the Democrats OWN their piles of crap – let’s focus on getting the cushy chairmanships so we can say our team won! Yeah, that’s the ticket! The hell with America and turning this ship around – let’s just play for power and titles! Yaaaay!

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 8:06 PM

And how quickly you forget the endless “Castle is no better than a Democrat!” nonsense. As I recall, the crux of Rove’s charge against O’Donnell was that she was a poor candidate and too far to the right to get elected in a state as Democratic as Delaware. How kooky of him.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

What part of BIPARTISAN COVER do you not understand?

fossten on August 31, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Let’s say Crow is a Perry supporter as surmised. Think Perry would take him on after this?

I’m not so sure. I think Ken is eating more than one kind of crow tonight.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 8:03 PM

maybe maybe not.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:06 PM

As I recall, the crux of Rove’s charge against O’Donnell was that she was a poor candidate and too far to the right to get elected in a state as Democratic as Delaware. How kooky of him.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

What was kooky was saying this on the night she won her state primary, and several times between the primary and general. You don’t throw your party’s standard-bearer under the bus like that. You can say what you want before the primary and after the general, but not between.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Link.

This photo — showing Texas Gov. Rick Perry talking to Ken Crow — was taken Saturday by Lisa Krantz of the San Antonio News-Express at a Polk County (Iowa) GOP fundraising event in Des Moines.

steebo77 on August 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Hmmmmm.

My feeling is that he’s more of a freelancer-wannabe like Ziegler or will folks wanting to be part of something bigger. But who knows.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Crow not acting helpful is suspicious.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 7:29 PM

I’m tellin’ all o’ y’all it’s sabotage…

ddrintn on August 31, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Why should I care any more or less about it than you?

I don’t know. I don’t care about it. I love a good squabble. I’ve never known anyone who agrees with me in lockstep. It would probably skeeve me out.

“True conservatives” are forever railing about how weak and RINO-ish and corrupt and terrible the establishment is. You drip with contempt for centrists. Since when do you care?

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM

I don’t have contempt for centrists. I have contempt for libs. Centrists have their place. Why do you think bars have dartboards?

Meanwhile, the “establishment” has helped the country get where it is today. Yippee.

The Mega Independent on August 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Thanks for a fair and evenhanded post, Allah.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Yes, thank you Allah

dominigan on August 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Gosh you’re thin-skinned. “RINO-stomp”? And Castle supporters know nothing of unity.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 7:54 PM

You must have forgotten the purge list, then. Cries for unity began after the rancorous primary when those of us with principled issues with COD’s candidacy were deemed Castle supporters (nothing could be further from the truth) and told, in essence, to “shut up and fall in line.” It was a big reason why I stopped commenting as much.

Bee on August 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Another weird thing: Why am I writing this in the comments at Hot Air instead of on my own blog? Eh, this is all kind of background stuff and I really don’t want to make too big a deal about it. Unless and until O’Donnell or Palin herself are willing to go on the record, backbiting amongst the operatives is inside baseball.

The Other McCain on August 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

There’s enough suspicious behavior by Crow to raise all sorts of questions and conspiracy theories, and not enough facts to settle them. Some people love that kind of gossipy environment and constant drama. I’d prefer to hold off on blaming people without evidence. Now I’m going to have to remember to be suspicious of Crow because of his behavior, without being certain that he was in the wrong deliberately, or just mistakenly.

But this much has held true. Rumors of flaky behavior or stupid moves by Palin always turn out to have no substance when you get the whole story. That doesn’t make her always right. But it makes those spreading the rumors wrong or malicious, most of the time. If the facts are not yet known, it’s best to remember that Palin’s not stupid.

tom on August 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM

how weak and RINO-ish and corrupt and terrible the establishment is.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Well, it is. It only bares its teeth against those in their own party.

ddrintn on August 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM

We’ve been listening to this “Palin is a flighty, unreliable flake” meme for three years and every time it’s been proven to be crapola. You’d think folks would quit taking the bait.

ncborn on August 31, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Thanks. This is why you hire professionals. This guy is looking for the best deal possible aka $money$, fame and fortune.

Too bad he blew his credibility in one shot.

Knucklehead on August 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I don’t know if it was due to money or fame could just be dirty politics also. but it is what it is and this type of stuff is one of the negatives with grassroots bottom up types of campaigns. I think the positives outweigh the negatives and it is bette rthan a top down poll tested minute by minute tpye of campaign. At the very least they former are more fun to watch and comment on.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Bee on August 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM

If you had principled problems with CO’D, the time for airing them was before the primary. Not between the primary and the general. At that point, yes, you’re supposed to fall in line, unless you intend to support the Democrat or some third party candidate. Your discontent with CO’D between the primary and the general was irrelevant and counterproductive.

alwaysfiredup on August 31, 2011 at 8:11 PM

And how quickly you forget the endless “Castle is no better than a Democrat!” nonsense. As I recall, the crux of Rove’s charge against O’Donnell was that she was a poor candidate and too far to the right to get elected in a state as Democratic as Delaware. How kooky of him.

Allahpundit on August 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

For me, it was never so much what he said as when he said it. She had already won the primary and he kneecapped her after that.

miConsevative on August 31, 2011 at 8:12 PM

She’s like NASCAR. Most folks watch just to see the spectacular crashes.

MJBrutus on August 31, 2011 at 7:23 PM

And you’re the NASCAR spectator on acid, always seeing crashes where there are none.

ddrintn on August 31, 2011 at 8:12 PM

I’m not a witch, I’m your wife. But after what you just said, I’m not even sure I want to be that any more.

unclesmrgol on August 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Thanks for a fair and evenhanded post, Allah.

Missy on August 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Yes, thank you Allah

dominigan on August 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM

ditto, good fair post.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I’m tellin’ all o’ y’all it’s sabotage…

ddrintn on August 31, 2011 at 8:07 PM

it does explain all of it. but it could also be explained by stupidity on Corw’s part. I’m leaning towards a stupid sabotage attempt.

unseen on August 31, 2011 at 8:15 PM

But this much has held true. Rumors of flaky behavior or stupid moves by Palin always turn out to have no substance when you get the whole story. That doesn’t make her always right. But it makes those spreading the rumors wrong or malicious, most of the time. If the facts are not yet known, it’s best to remember that Palin’s not stupid.

tom on August 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM

It’s always assumed the worst about Palin from the punditry.

Remember the “next shoe” that would drop when she stepped down as governor. Haven’t seen it.

the_nile on August 31, 2011 at 8:16 PM

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